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I am seriously thinking about downgrading (specs-wise) from my Note II to the Mega 6.3 simply for its screen size. 6.3" is just about the PERFECT display size I have ALWAYS wanted.
After 15 months with the OG Note and 5/6 with the Note II I planned to upgrade to a Note III in the fall but since it seems it will only have a 5.99" display and a 6.3" display *is* on the market, I can't stand to go for the worse choice. Especially since it is "almost a Note", I mean it has almost all of the hardware and software features which make Samsung top-end smartphones the ONLY smartphones I would buy today.
The biggest problem are not losing the S-Pen, losing AMOLED and losing 2 cores, the biggest problem is losing 512MB of RAM...
So, seeing as the Mega 6.3 is now available in Europe, I need to know from someone who has been using a Note II what's it like to switch to a Mega 6.3, especially in regard to the lesser RAM with heavy multitasking and to the display quality.
YouTube comparisons I have watched so far are pretty useless but I have some more to watch.
BTW, if you have come across some *good* and in-depth comparisons please point them out.
P.S. When a Galaxy Mega 6.3 forum on XDA??
The mega series is a midrange level phone. It's almost certainly going to choke under heavy multitasking. It's meant for people who aren't heavy users but just want a bigger screen for cpu light tasks like pictures, maps, reading, etc.
Ignore the screen size change and it's significantly worse than the note 2.
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I would also like to have a bigger screen than my Note II, but with Mega there is almost certainly too much to compromise.
I am looking forward for Sony's 6.44 inch device to be announced soon.
ChodTheWacko said:
The mega series is a midrange level phone. It's almost certainly going to choke under heavy multitasking.
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It will slow down for sure, *by how much* is the question...
Anyway, since I am not interested in games in the slightest, my main concern is not a slower or laggier phone (since the difference in anything but games is very likely going to be acceptable for me), is just apps switching and how many of them can it maintain active in the RAM with their inputted data and in the state I have left them...
It's meant for people who aren't heavy users but just want a bigger screen for cpu light tasks like pictures, maps, reading, etc.
Ignore the screen size change and it's significantly worse than the note 2.
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Well.. yeah, of course it's worse than the Note II in pretty much everything.. my whole point was that I just can't "ignore the screen size" and was trying to understand by how much exactly everything else is worse than the Note II...
If it's not too much I might be willing to compromise in order to get a PERFECT SIZE display.
just wait for the note 3....
hagba said:
I would also like to have a bigger screen than my Note II, but with Mega there is almost certainly too much to compromise.
I am looking forward for Sony's 6.44 inch device to be announced soon.
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Yeah there is the Huawei Ascend Mate at 6.1" too but this (and most likely the Sony as well) has a f*cking integrated battery so that's the biggest deal braker of all right there and I can't even be bothered to go over the rest of their specs... Useless junk.
The LG Optimus Pro would be an alternative worthy of consideration if its screen wasn't just 5.5". Too small an improvement in screen size to consider switching over from Samsung HW and SW (both of which I LOVE).
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just wait for the note 3....
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That's what I was/am doing but it seems more and more likely that it will have a 5.99" display... (and yeah, I would buy it in a heartbeat but would still be pissed at having to give up bigger displays which already exist today!).
xdapao3 said:
That's what I was/am doing but it seems more and more likely that it will have a 5.99" display... (and yeah, I would buy it in a heartbeat but would still be pissed at having to give up bigger displays which already exist today!).
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miss for like few months, big deal! You will be getting 1080p too.
FinancialWar said:
miss for like few months, big deal! You will be getting 1080p too.
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It's not just the wait, it's the fact that its display size (if it's confirmed at 5.99") will be SMALLER than SEVERAL competitors (one from Samsung itself!) which are much closer to or exactly my ideal size!!
P.S. I care much more about a perfect size than 1080p since we aren't talking low res displays in any case here, 720p for a 6.3" display is very much OK with me (not ideal, of course. 1080p would be ideal).
Follow up: the Mega is a no-go, I have reverted back to wait for the Note III.
The smaller RAM is too much of an handicap and the Mega sold in Europe is the 8GB/LTE variant and not the 16GB/3G. LTE is pretty much still useless over here and I would much rather have 16GB of internal storage (at a lower price to boot!)...
Plus, there are ton of original accessories already available (including all of the ones I always get for my smartphones) but the Brodit car dock (the ones I use) is not available for the Mega and IDK if and where it will be and the Samsung one is the only original accessory that is not available...
It'll eventually slow down as apps getting updates and requires more cpu and ram
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I have had the Mega 6.3 for about a week now. I have had the Note 2, as well as, S4. Here's my experience so far.
--Software is identical to the S4 (airview and all that good stuff)
--Very slim body compare to the Note 2
--Battery lasts surprising well (I'm a power user)
--The display is quite amazing. I wasn't expecting much, but I am truely impressed.
--Similar sound quality as the S4
--Have not noticed any lag at all. Very fluid.
I'm trying to think of negatives, but nothing is coming to mind except:
--No dedicated XDA forum
--No Root/CWM/ROM yet
--Looking for an extra battery or charger, but could not find on Amazon or anywhere.
--There are some batteries on eBay from China...but, not gonna gamble with those.
I'm running it on T-Mobile. I'm in refarmed 4G area. There's LTE available here as well, but can't pick it up
Overall, on paper spec-wise...might seem like an inferior phone. However, in really world experience, I'm truly and utterly impressed. Not going back to my Note 2 at all. it's a godsend for ebook readings and Youtube watching.
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I have had the Mega 6.3 for about a week now. I have had the Note 2, as well as, S4. Here's my experience so far.
--Software is identical to the S4 (airview and all that good stuff)
--Very slim body compare to the Note 2
--Battery lasts surprising well (I'm a power user)
--The display is quite amazing. I wasn't expecting much, but I am truely impressed.
--Similar sound quality as the S4
--Have not noticed any lag at all. Very fluid.
I'm trying to think of negatives, but nothing is coming to mind except:
--No dedicated XDA forum
--No Root/CWM/ROM yet
--Looking for an extra battery or charger, but could not find on Amazon or anywhere.
--There are some batteries on eBay from China...but, not gonna gamble with those.
I'm running it on T-Mobile. I'm in refarmed 4G area. There's LTE available here as well, but can't pick it up
Overall, on paper spec-wise...might seem like an inferior phone. However, in really world experience, I'm truly and utterly impressed. Not going back to my Note 2 at all. it's a godsend for ebook readings and Youtube watching.
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Many thanks for the reply but the only thing I was researching and could not find a clear answer for was how 1.5GB RAM impacts heavy multitasking as opposed to 2GB RAM..
As for the original accessories I don't know where you are based but over here ALL of the original Samsung accessories (various pouches, covers, cases, batteries, chargers, separate battery chargers, desktop dock ecc) are available (and pretty cheap too) minus the car dock.
xdapao3 said:
Yeah there is the Huawei Ascend Mate at 6.1" too but this (and most likely the Sony as well) has a f*cking integrated battery so that's the biggest deal braker of all right there
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This.
As for the RAM.. Has there ever been a point when you've checked and seen that your GN2 was using more than 1.5GB? If not, then you'll be fine. If so, then I'm sure managing your RAM a little better is worth if for the 'perfect screen size'
I have seen its review on youtube...its available ram is only 1.1 gb sumthing .. n most of the time note 2 consumes 1.1gb something ..so i think ram can cause you problem...
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Also its not what RAM you use currently, its what your useage demand will be in say 6mnths time. We all know that a phone that had enough when we bought it often feels crippled halfway through ownership as more & more demand is placed on it.
A new phone needs to have twice the RAM you currently need.
Note 3 screen is an 8% increase in size & that's plenty extra for me.
KCA. said:
This.
As for the RAM.. Has there ever been a point when you've checked and seen that your GN2 was using more than 1.5GB? If not, then you'll be fine. If so, then I'm sure managing your RAM a little better is worth if for the 'perfect screen size'
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Nope, unfortunately. As said, upon further research plus some empirical tests 1.5GB RAM is really too little RAM for me. I have to pass..
taran181 said:
I have seen its review on youtube...its available ram is only 1.1 gb sumthing .. n most of the time note 2 consumes 1.1gb something ..so i think ram can cause you problem...
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Yep, RAM size is one of the specs I care most, nowadays.
I am not a gamer and I don't terribly mind some small slowdown and lag here and there but available RAM and display size are THE things which really let you use your smartphone as a "pocket computer" so I am not willing to compromise on those as much as I may on some other things.
Pat. said:
Also its not what RAM you use currently, its what your useage demand will be in say 6mnths time. We all know that a phone that had enough when we bought it often feels crippled halfway through ownership as more & more demand is placed on it.
A new phone needs to have twice the RAM you currently need.
Note 3 screen is an 8% increase in size & that's plenty extra for me.
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I don't think that in 6 months I will be using double the RAM I am now doing the same things but I would surely appreciate 3 GB of RAM on the next Note!
An 8% increase in display size is definitely NOT what I am looking for in the next Note. I am, and have *always* been, looking forward to a 6.3"/6.5" display (depending on the bezel and aspect ratio, of course).
That's my ideal. Always have been (I was talking about those dimensions back when 4" seemed "huge" to most folks), always will be.
We will get there and people will get it, in the end. But these small steps are somewhat frustating (especially since a big part of the reasons for these baby steps is just people's dumbness).
I believe the "ultimate" screen sizes around which future smartphones will coalesce will be 5" and 6.3"/6.5".
My old note & my note2 both "disappeared" when not in use.. as in i forget its there .. i do alot of outdoor activity like cycling & i have the phone in my front Jean pocket, a 5.9" with small bezel will also be viable.
Its fairly clear that 6.3" is simply too big for that & Samsung do alot of research on this.
People will buy 6.3" phones but not in huge numbers like the 5.9 Note3.
Samsung know that huge numbers of people wont buy a phone they can't put in their jeans. I wonder how many people who want a 6.3" screen have made a dummy from wood ETC & tried it ... its BIG ..
Hello,
Hope all is well with everyone!
I was wondering if anyone could provide some insight on the new 2014 Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1. I am very interested in purchasing it, but I keep reading that there is an extremely large amount of lag associated with the device's performance, and that games do not run very well on it at all. Can anyone confirm if this is true or not? I am sure there have been updates made to the firmware since these reviews were written so I was just hoping to get a current users take on it. The device is quite expensive and I definitely would want a top performer for the money.
Thanks so much for your help!
I honestly dont mean this in a mean way but flick through these XDA pages in "General" and "Q&A" threads and you will get an avalanche of answers. Trust me going through those thrrads is miles better than giving you a reply with a few words esp considering its an expensive device.
But if you do want a simple answer then all I can say is I have played a few high graphic games and they ran smoothly and the tablet itself is pretty rapid. I am on stock so know it can be faster if I root but honestly more than happy with the performance of this thing.
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The multiwindow is amazing. Some may call it a gimmick but it is really cool.
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This tablet is awesome ...I'm rooted and running different launchers and removed all the bloat ...Very fast and beautiful screen!......Don't hesitate!
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Hello,
Thanks to all for your replies! Has everyone rooted the device? I am a little hesitant to do that because if something should go wrong, they can indeed refuse to warranty your device. I would definitely be getting rid of touchwiz tho - its really bad. Even my Galaxy S4 lagged terribly with it and when I went to Nova Launcher, problem solved! I just know ill def be playing some graphic intensive games on it too so was wondering if the good game performance was also achieved without rooting the device
Thanks again all for your help and suggestions - it is most appreciated!
I'm just going to say that if you're coming from another high end device, you're going to feel some lag. I just got the tablet and at least for me, I feel robbed. I just paid $500 for laggy software and I've had 3 random crashes in 2 days of use.
Other than those issues, the SPen features are amazing and saying that the display is pretty is an understatement. It's really an amazing display.
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abdielol said:
I'm just going to say that if you're coming from another high end device, you're going to feel some lag. I just got the tablet and at least for me, I feel robbed. I just paid $500 for laggy software and I've had 3 random crashes in 2 days of use.
Other than those issues, the SPen features are amazing and saying that the display is pretty is an understatement. It's really an amazing display.
Sent from my Nexus 5
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Heh - that's what I am hearing/reading a lot of and which is making me so hesitant. The device itself has great specs and should perform amazingly, but as we know, a device is also only as good as it's software and many people are saying the stock ROM/software is very buggy and laggy and does exactly what you are saying. While changing the launcher to NOVA does take care of most of the scrolling lag (fixed the same problem on my S4 like this), it still doesn't address the lag and issues of games. I don't want to have to root the device and risk voiding my warranty to get the performance I should be able to expect out of the box for a $500+ device. As far as the SPen, it doesn't really matter to me either way.
If you just bought it and it's still doing the same things as people have been reporting for months, that means Samsung hasn't put much effort into fixing it and probably don't have many plans to do so either if it's been this long with no resolution
Thanks very much for your input!!!!!!
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Heh - that's what I am hearing/reading a lot of and which is making me so hesitant. The device itself has great specs and should perform amazingly, but as we know, a device is also only as good as it's software and many people are saying the stock ROM/software is very buggy and laggy and does exactly what you are saying. While changing the launcher to NOVA does take care of most of the scrolling lag (fixed the same problem on my S4 like this), it still doesn't address the lag and issues of games. I don't want to have to root the device and risk voiding my warranty to get the performance I should be able to expect out of the box for a $500+ device. As far as the SPen, it doesn't really matter to me either way.
If you just bought it and it's still doing the same things as people have been reporting for months, that means Samsung hasn't put much effort into fixing it and probably don't have many plans to do so either if it's been this long with no resolution
Thanks very much for your input!!!!!!
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I got my SM-P600 32gb about a month ago and mine has never crashed, my experience with the tablet has been good but I'm not a power user, I don't have numerous home screens full of widgets, I don't have every option turned on like zoom tilt, smart stay, smart pause, smart scroll or any of the hand motion features.
I would say that this video from "TheDigitalDigest" is a fair representation of my experience, at the 9:30 mark it demonstrates the lag that some are complaining about. Both video's are worth watching.
This video also shows some lag at the 18:10 mark.
abdielol said:
I'm just going to say that if you're coming from another high end device, you're going to feel some lag. I just got the tablet and at least for me, I feel robbed. I just paid $500 for laggy software and I've had 3 random crashes in 2 days of use.
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Compared to high-end S-800 phones with 5"ish displays, yes, the N10.1-14's transitions occasionally aren't as smooth. Compared to other high-end Android tablets, what in your view is faster? Multi View and S Pen have a ton of open processes constantly running in the background anticipating their use. So if you want "fast" strip out all the N10.1-14's features and run AOSP/AOKP on it. Personally, the sole reason I bought the N10.1-14 was because of its productivity features and what I can do with it that you can't do on any other tablet so if I have to put up with some transition lag so be it. As for "crashes" I've got 144 apps, 9 full time syncs, and 21 widgets running and have never experienced a crash, FC, or any other type of OS anomaly since October. I take that back. Initially I was using the Trip Advisor wallpaper on the lock screen and it would cause TW to reboot every other day. Once I stopped using it everything was fine.
xgreenlanternox said:
Heh - that's what I am hearing/reading a lot of and which is making me so hesitant. The device itself has great specs and should perform amazingly, but as we know, a device is also only as good as it's software and many people are saying the stock ROM/software is very buggy and laggy and does exactly what you are saying.
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95% of the time, and 100% of the time within a single app, there's no lag. When a bunch of stuff is going in the background you'll occasionally get a millisecond long stutter in a transition or app opening/closing. You'll also get the occasional "spinning wheel" when doing something resource intensive like capturing a full screen of content from a third party app via Air Command and moving it to Scrap Booker. I'm not even on the latest ROM (I'm on MJ4) because I have a 3G N10.1-14 and people in the U.S. have said MJ9 improved fluidity more than what I'm experiencing. There are aspects of the UI that are "odd" because a phone UI on a 10" display is a bit bizarre having nothing to do with specific h/w or s/w. But, again, I've had no OS, UI, or app issues since October so the s/w is definitely not "buggy." And I have additional radios, antennas, and s/w being 3G that add even more burden to the s/w and h/w.
Here's a vid of my N10.1-14 moving through home screens. My N3 on an official KitKat build that's running the same 144 apps is next to it for comparison. At the end I pinch zoom to display all the home pages. That is without question the worst lag you'll ever see on the N10.1-14. And it's 10 times worse than the millisecond long stutter you'll occasionally see in transitions.
If people are experiencing worse than that or constant lag I'd suggest they look at the apps they have installed, their configuration/settings, and what apps/processes they have removed/frozen/turned off. The latter is especially significant because as nested and inter-dependent as all Samsung's add-on s/w has become it's easy to disable something another app's dependent on and not know it. For example, disabling My Magazine on a device causes huge battery drain on the Galaxy Gear and issues with Gear Manager even though there's no logical reason one should be affected by the other. I'm running bone stock, have every gimmick Samsung's s/w provides turned on, am using an earlier less fluid ROM than some, and have an enormous amount of apps, syncs, and widgets running. I'm a prime candidate for "lag" and don't experience any 95% of the time. So if someone's experiencing worse than I am I'd suggest they examine what they've done to their device.
P.S. - Being 3G, my N10.1-14 is always connected to the Internet so whenever I turn it on it's always sync'd. Since most here have Wi-Fi versions here's something I've noticed. When I turn my N10.1-14 on for the first time, like after getting off a plane, and it connects to the Internet for the first time it can be painfully slow (and laggy) for as long as 15 minutes while every app and process that needs Internet access updates itself. I'd guess the same thing would happen with a Wi-Fi N10.1-14 even if it was left on but re-connected to the Internet after being offline. So there's "lag" and "situational lag." Both my N3 and N10.1-14 are the slowest devices I've ever owned when it comes to being fully usable after a reboot or going online after being offline.
kkretch said:
I got my SM-P600 32gb about a month ago and mine has never crashed, my experience with the tablet has been good but I'm not a power user, I don't have numerous home screens full of widgets, I don't have every option turned on like zoom tilt, smart stay, smart pause, smart scroll or any of the hand motion features.
I would say that this video from "TheDigitalDigest" is a fair representation of my experience, at the 9:30 mark it demonstrates the lag that some are complaining about. Both video's are worth watching.
This video also shows some lag at the 18:10 mark.
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I don't have any widgets , not even the stock Samsung ones. I also don't have much apps, nor any of the cumbersome SView or Motion controls on. I thought rooting and installing CleanRom would help and it really did, to some extent, but there is still some noticeable lag which, in my opinion, is unacceptable. As for the crashes, I don't know if I got a faulty unit since this is just day 3 of owning it. Maybe I'll return it and get another one, it may help with my lag too.
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Compared to high-end S-800 phones with 5"ish displays, yes, the N10.1-14's transitions occasionally aren't as smooth. Compared to other high-end Android tablets, what in your view is faster? Multi View and S Pen have a ton of open processes constantly running in the background anticipating their use. So if you want "fast" strip out all the N10.1-14's features and run AOSP/AOKP on it. Personally, the sole reason I bought the N10.1-14 was because of its productivity features and what I can do with it that you can't do on any other tablet so if I have to put up with some transition lag so be it. As for "crashes" I've got 144 apps, 9 full time syncs, and 21 widgets running and have never experienced a crash, FC, or any other type of OS anomaly since October. I take that back. Initially I was using the Trip Advisor wallpaper on the lock screen and it would cause TW to reboot every other day. Once I stopped using it everything was fine.
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On my sister's Nexus 10, for example, I notice Much smoother transitions and I've never had it crash. I hate how even with empty home screens, there is noticeable slowness (sometimes) while changing home screens or opening the app drawer. I'm still skeptical about the crashes though, since I'm the only one getting them (it seems), so maybe it's just mine. I'll return it and get another one, so I can report back and see if these issues are somewhat fixed. Still, I feel bad that I spend so much on this and it feels slow compared to a more than a year old Nexus 10 with a much slower processor. I already removed all of the bloat, except the SPen stuff, because that was my main point for getting this tablet.
BarryH_GEG said:
If people are experiencing worse than that or constant lag I'd suggest they look at the apps they have installed, their configuration/settings, and what apps/processes they have removed/frozen/turned off.
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I totally agree.
Complainers seldom admit that they made mods to the device or that they have 10 screens with 50 widgets all running at the same time, they don't admit that they installed pirated software that may or may not contain viruses or that they installed an APK that was ported from an Asus tablet because they like the way the widget looks on another brand device.
To those people it's always the device and never the user.
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abdielol said:
On my sister's Nexus 10, for example, I notice Much smoother transitions and I've never had it crash.
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There's a ton of discussion about N10's lagging. Friends have them and I've used them and the more crap that's installed on them the more they too suffer from transition stutter. The more crap that's going on in the background the greater chance there is that there's going to be some type of drag or delay in the interface. And it's not about performance because the stuff we're talking about that lags is probably using a single-core of the CPU and a small chunk of RAM. And on a Nexus device you can't even blame it on TW.
While you and Sis may not have experienced lag on the N10 others have...
abdielol said:
I don't have any widgets , not even the stock Samsung ones. I also don't have much apps, nor any of the cumbersome SView or Motion controls on. I thought rooting and installing CleanRom would help and it really did, to some extent, but there is still some noticeable lag which, in my opinion, is unacceptable. As for the crashes, I don't know if I got a faulty unit since this is just day 3 of owning it. Maybe I'll return it and get another one, it may help with my lag too.
On my sister's Nexus 10, for example, I notice Much smoother transitions and I've never had it crash. I hate how even with empty home screens, there is noticeable slowness (sometimes) while changing home screens or opening the app drawer. I'm still skeptical about the crashes though, since I'm the only one getting them (it seems), so maybe it's just mine. I'll return it and get another one, so I can report back and see if these issues are somewhat fixed. Still, I feel bad that I spend so much on this and it feels slow compared to a more than a year old Nexus 10 with a much slower processor. I already removed all of the bloat, except the SPen stuff, because that was my main point for getting this tablet.
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You could have a defective unit..... Any chance that you could upload a video to show us what you are experiencing?
I had the Nexus 10 before my Note 2014. I like the Nexus 10 but the Note 2014 is blazing fast compared to the Nexus 10. The Nexus 10 was definitely laggy and my Note 2014 has been very smooth.
nrage23 said:
I had the Nexus 10 before my Note 2014. I like the Nexus 10 but the Note 2014 is blazing fast compared to the Nexus 10. The Nexus 10 was definitely laggy and my Note 2014 has been very smooth.
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There wasn't really a GPU available when the N10 was released that was capable of handling a 2,560x1,600 display. Mali 604 was at its max thresholds and it showed.
The Mali 628 in the Exynos N10.1-14's is about 4 times more powerful.
abdielol said:
I don't have any widgets , not even the stock Samsung ones.
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Did you start noticing it when you got the tablet? Why didnt you exchange it? You probably got a lemon one.
kkretch said:
I totally agree.
Complainers seldom admit that they made mods to the device or that they have 10 screens with 50 widgets all running at the same time, they don't admit that they installed pirated software that may or may not contain viruses or that they installed an APK that was ported from an Asus tablet because they like the way the widget looks on another brand device.
To those people it's always the device and never the user.
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of my home screen and apps just for your pleasure. ALL of my apps I bought them on the play store, none of them are pirated. I am not a dumb android user that doesn't know how to handle his tablet. It's my device, not the user. Thanks for your input though!
BarryH_GEG said:
There's a ton of discussion about N10's lagging. Friends have them and I've used them and the more crap that's installed on them the more they too suffer from transition stutter. The more crap that's going on in the background the greater chance there is that there's going to be some type of drag or delay in the interface. And it's not about performance because the stuff we're talking about that lags is probably using a single-core of the CPU and a small chunk of RAM. And on a Nexus device you can't even blame it on TW.
While you and Sis may not have experienced lag on the N10 others have...
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I'm just telling you what I notice. If I factory reset both tablets right now, i KNOW that the nexus 10 would feel buttery smooth while my note 10 would still feel laggy. Even dragging apps around the home screen felt laggy here. Understand my frustration, i just paid premium price for something that could be a lot better in terms of speed. I'm just telling things from MY experience with both tablets, and my experience with the OLD nexus 10 felt smooth compared to my experience here. You believe whatever you want.
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You could have a defective unit..... Any chance that you could upload a video to show us what you are experiencing?
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It's just lagginess all around and the crashes aren't really predictable. I'm not going to be able to upload a video since I'm going to flash this to stock as soon as I get home so I can return it at best buy and get another one. My unit may be defective.
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Did you start noticing it when you got the tablet? Why didnt you exchange it? You probably got a lemon one.
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It was on a sealed box. I noticed when I opened it at home. It's just been 3 days since I got it. I'm returning it today and I'll report back.
Thanks to the ones of you that can see beyond fanboyism. Some take it so personal the minute you say the device feels laggy, feeling like you've insulted them personally or something. I'll report back when I get a new one.
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Well this is my experience so far.
I've had this thing since November. Not rooted, not debloated. I have a couple of widgets etc and using Nova launcher. Nothing out of the ordinary. Running that taiwanese firmware which is the latest one supposedly. Anyway, 95% of the time in my experience, I don't notice any lag whatsoever. Even with multiwindow where I've been reading a pdf on the first half and using papyrus on the second half to take notes, no lag. This thing is a beast and the battery life is pretty good. If I could root without losing warranty, it would be perfect.
One day I hope CM11 comes to this thing because it's already blazing fast, and I would love to have CM11 to make it as close to stock as possible.
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If I factory reset both tablets right now, i KNOW that the nexus 10 would feel buttery smooth while my note 10 would still feel laggy.
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I'd guess the Nexus would be smoother after a reset. The pinch zooming of home screens on the N10.1-14 isn't any faster whether it's factory fresh or with a ton of widgets (in my experience). I don't think the N10.1-14 is performing to the full capabilities of its h/w and think interim updates that would have helped were stopped to focus on the upcoming 4.4/M-UX update. But having said that there's a big difference between that and inferring it's a laggy mess as a couple of people here have tried to do. So you're saying that based on your experience you're hugely disappointed with the lag you're experiencing. I'm saying that 95% of the time with the exception being some transition lag (especially when a lot of background processes are going on) my N10.1-14 doesn't lag. Since neither of us can see what the other's talking about you can lose the righteous indignation because me and a couple of people here are posting experiences that may be different than yours.
Thanks to the ones of you that can see beyond fanboyism. Some take it so personal the minute you say the device feels laggy, feeling like you've insulted them personally or something. I'll report back when I get a new one.
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This isn't about you. People should buy what makes them happy and if you're not happy by all means return your N10.1-14 and get something that does make you happy. But you, one person sharing one experience, can lead to this...
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Heh - that's what I am hearing/reading a lot of and which is making me so hesitant. The device itself has great specs and should perform amazingly, but as we know, a device is also only as good as it's software and many people are saying the stock ROM/software is very buggy and laggy and does exactly what you are saying.
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You're entitled to your opinion but if the people that disagree with you are "fanboys" does that make you and others with a different opinion "haters?" I don't personally think so and think that the (constructive) sharing of differing opinions and experiences are healthy. Everyone here's a big boy or girl and don't need you or me to tell them how to draw conclusions and weed through posts. I post counterpoint to comments like yours sometimes to give people perspective; and whenever possible pics or videos to back up what I'm sharing. I could personally care less what people here do individually (after all, there's over 4M) and whether or not they buy a product I own or are pleased with my comments. But I've been thanked a lot so I must be doing something to help people.
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I'd guess the Nexus would be smoother after a reset. The pinch zooming of home screens on the N10.1-14 isn't any faster whether it's factory fresh or with a ton of widgets (in my experience). I don't think the N10.1-14 is performing to the full capabilities of its h/w and think interim updates that would have helped were stopped to focus on the upcoming 4.4/M-UX update. But having said that there's a big difference between that and inferring it's a laggy mess as a couple of people here have tried to do. So you're saying that based on your experience you're hugely disappointed with the lag you're experiencing. I'm saying that 95% of the time with the exception being some transition lag (especially when a lot of background processes are going on) my N10.1-14 doesn't lag. Since neither of us can see what the other's talking about you can lose the righteous indignation because me and a couple of people here are posting experiences that may be different than yours.
This isn't about you. People should buy what makes them happy and if you're not happy by all means return your N10.1-14 and get something that does make you happy. But you, one person sharing one experience, can lead to this...
You're entitled to your opinion but if the people that disagree with you are "fanboys" does that make you and others with a different opinion "haters?" I don't personally think so and think that the (constructive) sharing of differing opinions and experiences are healthy. Everyone here's a big boy or girl and don't need you or me to tell them how to draw conclusions and weed through posts. I post counterpoint to comments like yours sometimes to give people perspective; and whenever possible pics or videos to back up what I'm sharing. I could personally care less what people here do individually (after all, there's over 4M) and whether or not they buy a product I own or are pleased with my comments. But I've been thanked a lot so I must be doing something to help people.
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I'm not sure how I got involved in the middle of this - I have had nothing good or bad personally to say about the device. I am just sharing what I've read from consumer/tech reviewers. I just worry because just as many people are saying that it is laggy as not. I understand there are different factors for this, but I am not super tech saavy with tablets either and just want a good experience right out of the box. While screen transition being slightly laggy isnt much of a big deal to me, what is this going to translate into when I play games, or do resource intense functions? I just don't want to spend $550.00 on something I am not going to be happy with. I also don't want to have to root anything to reach it's full potential because there goes my warranty.
Thinking about getting one of these 32gb refurbished. Would you buy it again? Most of the reviews talk about laggy performance. Did the updates fix it at all?
Battery life decent? Torn between this and an iPad Air. I am experienced with both iOS and Android, so I understand the differences. Laggy Androids piss me off, but if they are smooth like my LG G2, then I have no problems with them. My iPad 3 on IOS 7 got too laggy, drives me insane.. selling it off.
if you are not happy with your ipad for lagginess then dont even bother buying, rooting helps but no where smooth as ipad2&3 on ios 7.1, especially on chrome and handling pdf & xls & docx. General UI lagginess is expected to be fixed with an update.
I own a TMO LG G2 so I may be able to give you a reference point. The G2 is damn smooth in EVERYTHING. You know that. This tablet is not smooth everywhere, its just not. But it is damn close in *most* areas.
Here's the breakdown. TouchWiz is the only somewhat laggy part of this tablet. I personally don't spend much time within TouchWiz, because most of my time is within an app. Inside apps, this thing flies very nearly as fast as the G2. Impressive, given the higher res screen. Games are very fluid, Boat Browser and UC Browser both offer exceptional speed and fluidity for browsing, and optimized apps, as with anywhere else, make the biggest difference. If they are optimized, then this tablet will chew through them like butter.
If you plan to use Nova launcher, etc. Then you will have no issues of slowdowns with this tablet. With those launchers, this thing flies, and you still get to keep all of the sPen features, which realistically, is probably why you are buying this anyway. If you weren't, you could get a tab pro cheaper, but probably not refurbed.
For notes, SNote is slow, for me at least, but LectureNotes is a fantastic alternative that offers fast, fluid note taking and is very reliable for classwork or the like.
If you are the type to use ROMs, I hear that there are some awesomely smooth options like CleanROM which retain the SPen features and touchwiz, but optimize it for smoothness.
By the way, a couple of things you should know if you end up purchasing this tablet. First, the speed of the tablet increases greatly after about 4-5 days, depending on your usage. Also, the battery life improves significantly after 2 weeks of use. At the beginning, this tab would drain about 10 percent over 8 hours, and now it consistently drains about 2% over the same time period.
Hope this helps,
-Cody
I wouldn't go near the Samsung. Between the random (supposedly fixable) bluetooth issues, the lag and the lack of updates this tablet was/is pretty much a rip off. I've been a heavy Android user for years but it pushed me towards getting an iPad air. I have to say I'm really happy with the iPad and haven't looked back. It's a pity because the display is absolutely gorgeous and I really liked the pen input. It wasn't enough incentive to deal with all of the other issues however.
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Thinking about getting one of these 32gb refurbished. Would you buy it again? Most of the reviews talk about laggy performance. Did the updates fix it at all?
Battery life decent? Torn between this and an iPad Air. I am experienced with both iOS and Android, so I understand the differences. Laggy Androids piss me off, but if they are smooth like my LG G2, then I have no problems with them. My iPad 3 on IOS 7 got too laggy, drives me insane.. selling it off.
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Well... My experience varies. Seems like my note 10.1 has good and bad days. Sometimes performance couldnt be better, everything flies and the battery life is excellent but there are days, when there's noticeable lag and battery drain... My best on-screen time was 10 hours, the worse was 5 - while I didn't use it any differently in either cases, so that is strange. The lag you're so curious about is only in the launcher (touchwiz for the win), apps usually perform very well. As far as updates go, I only received one so far since I got the device (2013 december), so I can't really say anything about that.
Would I buy it again? Well, I'm aware of the limitations of iOS, but I never had a chance to try out an iPad for a longer period of time, so I'm not sure how it would fit my needs. This leaves me to pick an android device, and I have absolutely no doubt, that the note 10.1 is definitely one of the bests. Is it the most fluid experience? No, touchwiz kind of ruins that, but hey, you can always replace that with Nova or something that fits you. In terms of functionality, I'm sure that you can't go wrong with this, you have android+samsung features, which leaves you with an endless pool of possibilities. Even if you don't need the s-pen, the hardware in this device is amazing and with future software updates, I believe it could be on par with the smoothness of the iPad Air. So my answer is yes, I would buy it again, despite the occasional stutter which is present due to touchwiz. The battery life certainly could be better, but it will last you a full day with heavy usage, I usually recharge mine after 3-4 days (I'm not a heavy gamer, I use the tablet to take notes, read and edit pdfs, browse the internet, send emails... etc). The average on-screen time I'm getting is around 7-8 hours with 30-35% brightness (oh yes, the screen is REALLY bright).
In the end of the day, it really comes down to this: do you want to use android? If yes, go for the note 10.1 2014 edition without any hestitation. If you think you could live with iOS (you can always jailbreak and cram out some more functionality) and you don't really need the s-pen, by all means, go for the iPad Air, both of these tablets are absolutely amazing products.
I totally agree with what @compumasta said about lag. There's occasional lag in transitions and app openings/closings but everywhere else the device is fast. You can do some pretty resource intensive things on the N10.1-14 that you can't do with any other device. I open two My Files instances side-by-side in multi-view and drag-and-drop files from my home server via FTP to my N10.1-14 and vice-versa. You can use Air Command to launch Scrap Book and copy pages or snips of content from an app or the web. You can get a spinning wheel occasionally while the device is processing. But it's pretty amazing that something as small as the N10.1-14 is able to do work-horse productivity work at all. If you're a productivity or creation user there's nothing that can touch the N10.1-14. The more I push it the more impressed by it I am.
But are you a productivity and creation user? For consumption and games the N10.1-14 is overkill and the ton of processes and threads open in the background at all times to support its unique and resource intensive features do sap some of the power of its high-end h/w. If you're not interested in those features you might be better off with an iPad.
The new Tab/Note Pro's are running 4.4 with some pretty major updates to Samsung's s/w and apps. Even with that reviewers have pointed out the same transition lag discussed above. My N10.1-14 is definitely not as smooth as my N3 but, considering its pushing three times the display area, it's a small price to pay for such a productivity powerhouse. But if you're lag obsessed you might want to think about what you're willing to live with and I wouldn't pin my hopes on updates changing anything dramatically based on the new Pro's performance.
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I wouldn't go near the Samsung. Between the random (supposedly fixable) bluetooth issues, the lag and the lack of updates this tablet was/is pretty much a rip off. I've been a heavy Android user for years but it pushed me towards getting an iPad air. I have to say I'm really happy with the iPad and haven't looked back. It's a pity because the display is absolutely gorgeous and I really liked the pen input. It wasn't enough incentive to deal with all of the other issues however.
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I agree with you. If appearance is important then the iPad is the way to go. If, however, one chooses function over form the I'd choose an Android in a heartbeat.
Same deal (probably going to see a lot of these because of the WOOT deal)
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Between the random (supposedly fixable) bluetooth
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I couldn't help but respond to this. I'm at a coffee shop connected to their Wi-Fi editing a document in Hword while responding to you in a multi-view browser window using a BT mouse and keyboard while watching Amazon Instant video in a pop-up window with audio provided by a BT headset. Some folks have had BT issues but mine's been better than any device I've owned and it has been that way since the day I got my N10.1-14.
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I think you should be able to get your answer from Barry's post lol! I'm on a custom ROM and this tablet is a monster.
For the tablet itself yes, but for the dev on P600 NO. I'm very sad to see that on P605 it's sun shinig but on P600 it's raining !!!
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Lot of negativity here^^ It all comes down to your personal needs, but I would instantly buy it again. It just offers everything I need. Most of my friends have iPads so I've seen what they can do. Ipads have some very nice apps that aren't (yet) available on Android. That is the ONLY upside of the ipad in my opinion.
Lag isn't an issue at all for me (Nova Launcher+root) and there is just soo much you can do with the Note 10.1 where the iPad has very hard limitations. I'm not gonna list them all because it has been listed many times before and it's pretty obvious imho. The iPad is a big sized ipod touch while the Note 10.1 is almost a full PC with pen support.
But if you're just gonna read some news and watch the occasional movie (4:3 screen can be annoying) on your tablet and want something "apple-nice", why not go for the ipad.
If you expect something more from a device like this, something that goes into the direction of laptop replacement, the Note 10. 1 is the way to go. Especially if you like handwriting and sketching.
If you need even more productivity you might wanna look at the Surface2 pro. Or wait for the Surface 3. A collegue of mine has it and he is very happy with it, he does all his IT stuff with it. But it has some downsides (size, weight, battery life, windows).
So for me the tablet world atm comes down to this:
Just4Fun-------------------------------------Productivity
Ipad --------------- Note 10.1 2014 ----------Surface2
For me the note 10.1 is the sweetspot.
I was looking at a couple of QHD tablets, and the Note was the lightest one with the smallest bezels. I had the Note 2 and almost never used the SPen, so I might have bought an equivalent Galaxy Tab if they had one. As it turns out, I use remote desktop all the time, and the Microsoft Remote Desktop app is hands down the best rdp app... but only if you have a stylus. So I was glad I got the Note after all. And the screen is absolutely gorgeous. With Nova Launcher, there's no lag.
The biggest drawback is so-so battery life that's worsened by the slow charging on the Exynos version. Also, it's a little awkward to hold in portrait mode because of the physical buttons.
If I were shopping for a tablet right now, I would get this or maybe the Note Pro, but probably the 10.1 because of the weight. I might also be inclined to spend even more money on the 4g version for the faster charging Snapdragon supports.
I have zero interest in an iPad, so YMMV.
Yes I would buy it again, it's one of the best android tablets ever made. The issue is with the Samsung bloat which can be adjusted to your liking. My liking was to remove all the extra things I don't want, will never use, and were stealing resources. I can tell you the new crop of Roms have a much much better kernel which I am using and most of that random microstutter is gone. Buy it and try it, if you don't like it sell it and move on.....
Yes!
I sometimes wonder , How do ipad ios guys survive without a File Manager , Drag and drop data functionality etc that every one is pretty much used to on Windows Pc's .
I love Ios for the look , but its restricting me in quite a few ways and have to find workarounds to do simple PC like tasks .
Anyways , Do any of you guys use the tablet as A Pc ? As on use the file browser .. open files with any program , move files to your desktop from the tablet just like a usb .. or just download some songs .. rt click save as .. etc .
Dropbox is great .. but why keep connecting to the internet everytime when in Android you can save it locally ..
Appart from that the Spen is unique , thats another thing.
I do crib about the stutter n see if it can be made better .. but give up some freedoms for beauty .. just can't do that.
Android is like that rough around the edges clumsy friend but who has a big heart .. imho .
I love this Tablet...I have no issues at all..I never did..I'm rooted and have TB and tons of other stuff. No lag , very fast...IPad is a joke compared to this,,,I have a Girlfriend so I spend my time banging her and not worryimg about light bleed or Kit Kat updates ,,....
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I love this Tablet...I have no issues at all..I never did..I'm rooted and have TB and tons of other stuff. No lag , very fast...IPad is a joke compared to this,,,I have a Girlfriend so I spend my time banging her and not worryimg about light bleed or Kit Kat updates ,,....
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I have a wife so I want Kitkat. Back to serious. I have owned many android tablets and this is far and away the most capable. It has more features to allow for productivity than any non windows device available. I despise Apple and their locked down overpriced ecosystem. Having said that if you are looking for a productivity and gaming/consumption device there is nothing better than the Note 10.1 2014. If all you want is a consumption device go with one of the Tab Pros or god forbid an Ipad.
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...If all you want is a consumption device go with one of the Tab Pros or god forbid an Ipad.
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I don't mean to hijack the thread too much, but I thought I'd just post here instead of starting a new thread.
I'm in the market for a tablet for gaming/consumption and have had my eyes on the Galaxy line, originally the Tab Pro 10.1. However, where I'm from, the Tab Pro 10.1 WiFi model and the Note 10.1 2014 Edition are the same price. I'm not so sure that I'd get the most use out of the S Pen, but might find the multi-tasking ability handy. Would you recommend just grabbing the Note 10.1 2014 over the Tab Pro 10.1 simply for the added functionality that it has to offer?
Edit: I have absolutely no intention of buying an Apple device.
Cheers.
I forgot the thing about the file system limitations. I couldnt even imagine living without one.
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I don't mean to hijack the thread too much, but I thought I'd just post here instead of starting a new thread.
I'm in the market for a tablet for gaming/consumption and have had my eyes on the Galaxy line, originally the Tab Pro 10.1. However, where I'm from, the Tab Pro 10.1 WiFi model and the Note 10.1 2014 Edition are the same price. I'm not so sure that I'd get the most use out of the S Pen, but might find the multi-tasking ability handy. Would you recommend just grabbing the Note 10.1 2014 over the Tab Pro 10.1 simply for the added functionality that it has to offer?
Edit: I have absolutely no intention of buying an Apple device.
Cheers.
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Absolutely if they are the same price. The internals are basically the same, the Pro is just running 4.4.2 out of the box. I did not realize how much I would use the Spen.
Hey Everyone,
Curious to know if anyone has buyers remorse over making the switch to this device from another device?
Does anyone ever run the phone within the confines of the original OS?
What is your real world expectation 6 months from now with this device?
How long do you plan on keeping the device?
What is the most important everyday feature that is a keeper & deal breaker?
How has the form factor impacted the way you look at phones in terms of the screen size vs the size of the device?
Also as a side note. Have anyone ever worked with a fully calibrated monitor like a Eizo or a Ben-Q?
Or for industry folks, any panasonic or Sony broadcast monitors? The correlation being those monitors have the same look at least to my eyes.
Finally have you ever acquired a device that you did not initially have buyers remorse?
I have the phone myself. I am just curious to what the community at large is vibing at the moment...
I'm happy with the G3 especially the screen and camera. I jumped to the G3 from the LG Flex. Nice that the T-Mobile G3 comes with a unlocked bootloader and I'm sure development will be good with time. I'm a phone junkie and usually just keeps phones around 6 months. Jump helps with that.
Sometimes I DO regret getting this phone. It's a good phone, but it's just not the earth shattering, mega phone I was hoping for. Even rooted with no bloatware, i still experience lag, freezes, and subpar battery life. Also, maybe it's just my device, but I'm really not impressed with the screen at all. The blacks seem way too "milky", and i really can't see the difference between this and a 1080 screen, except for when I look at certain photos or videos.
The camera is nice for a 13mp shooter. That's really the main positive.
I returned it after 2 weeks. To many performance trade offs for the QHD screen. Once the more powerful phones hit later this year (Shamue and Note 4) the G3 will struggle. Although that's why the Prime is being released.
Curious what other 5.5" screen are you comparing it to?
Me too returned it after 2 weeks, and the reason was just the screen, everything else is great.
First, couldn't stand this yellowish tinted screen and the poor blacks, and second because of the lag/stuttering
Was it lagging in dual window mode or playing a game?
Or was it on a productivity App?
Or was it simple browsing?
Or transitioning from on app to the next?
As I never used dual window, I can't say if it lags there...
Most annoying was the stuttering to me, and this happened nearly everywhere, transitions, scrolling...
But Lg will fix it sooner or later I guess.
As I wrote, the main reason for returning it was the display...
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Was it lagging in dual window mode or playing a game?
Or was it on a productivity App?
Or was it simple browsing?
Or transitioning from on app to the next?
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Some people have the G3 lag some don't. I don't notice any lag. From what I read on here the lag is simple fix by changing the launcher and or a setting or two. Removing bloat helps too.
My screen is bight and battery is good enough for me. I guess I was lucky and got a good G3.
As far as the G3 being a "wow" phone it's not but I think those days are over for phones. I was going to wait for the Note 4 but after seeing the leaked pictures I think I'm glad I didn't.
Got the D855 32GB..
All I can say is, I'm so glad i didn't put much attention on others negative opinion about the device...
We all knew it come's with QHD display before buying it, I don't get why too many about it...
As of me, I'm very happy with it... Coming from nexus 7 2013, my criteria for next device was, at least 3gb ram, 32gb internal storage with external (a 64gb internal w/o ext is also okay)... Just saying by the way. =)
There are always those people who have remorse after buying a device by the way..
I've come from an iPhone 4S!:silly:
I bought the International version with 32GB and the 3GB ram (F400S) and I've not found it laggy at all, even with the all the Korean bloatware apps on there.
The main reason I purchased it was because I was so impressed with the LG G2 that I bought for my wife a few months back, just loved the design and screen.
Hopefully when the "Ints" get their bootloader unlocked and we can nandroid backup and get some cool roms (come on PardusHD!) then it should run even smoother.
The battery life isn't as good as I expected, but then I'm usually charging using a USB port (500mAH) so it will take ages and I've hardly ever had it at 100%:laugh: but it's way better than the iPhone 4s battery life.
I'm a little disappointed in the screen, I don't find it as "bright" as the Samsung S ones, I've just taken off the auto brightness as I found it too low, in any light environment and currently set it at 85%.
Overall design is nice and it's very light. I'm not a fan of big screens, but then that's the way they're all heading nowadays....
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I've just taken off the auto brightness as I found it too low, in any light environment and currently set it at 85%
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Sole reason of fast battery discharge
I don't have this phone yet but I know the 32g has 3 gigs of ram and the 16 has 2 gigs. Might be why some suffer lag. Make sure when comparing you specify which version folks
Had the 32GB/3GB version
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Had the 32GB/3GB version
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Hi Fir3blade,
Can you link a video of the stuttering if you know one?
Sorry didn't make myself a video, saw the stuttering in some video reviews, but I don't remember them, as I watched quite lots, sorry ☺
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Can you link a video of the stuttering if you know one?
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Here's an example of the stutter in games. At 8min 20.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=paMb_cgVkug
I don't have buyer's remorse exactly, but I'm not thrilled with the device in every way. I like the camera a lot better than the one on my HTC One M7, and the G3 battery life is better than my M7. That's really it. My M7 felt snappier in every way, and the screen looked better. Once the Nexus 6 comes out I will likely sell the G3 and pick one up. I just can't stand all this locked bootloader nonsense and the lack of development that occurs as a consequence.
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Here's an example of the stutter in games. At 8min 20.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=paMb_cgVkug
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TY I am trying to recreate the stutter as we speak... Interesting stuff
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Sorry didn't make myself a video, saw the stuttering in some video reviews, but I don't remember them, as I watched quite lots, sorry ☺
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I noticed a few myself. I wonder why the reviewers did not mention the stuttering.....
There's too much misinformation around and once I get my unit I will have about 28 days to decide if to keep it or skip this generation, I would like to use this thread to build evidence on how good or bad the international version of this device is, if Samsung scammed 90% of the world then they don't deserve our money.
I'm getting mixed feelings about this chip, In speed test G the 855 beats it by a huge margin, so most people went back spitting at it for being a badly optimized SoC.
Anandtech's Comparisons Show super disappointing scores for the S10 Exynos version, but many of the scores presented make no sense, with older hardware of the same OEM scoring better than the newest, I don't know how much to believe that review and I hope it is fake or badly executed, to my interest, my pre-order comes with the Exynos version and there's no way to have warranty on a 855 in the UK.
Then, the positive evidence we have is that it beats every other released phone on the market in battery usage, there's no such video about the 855 yet so we can't compare them, but that's all I found about the battery of this chip.
In a S10+ vs iPhone XS Max, the S10+ again Exynos beats the iPhone on almost every application, I didn't expect that to happen since it almost never happened, the apps are supposedly the same most of the time and they might as well have completely different algorithms to do the same task done superficially, but generally iOS apps are cleaner inside and their developers have higher standards of work, so how can Exynos be THAT much better?
From my experience with the exynos galaxy s9+ I can tell you that exynos chips are more designed for daily usages. Snapdragon is for those who are looking for the higher geekbench scores and better graphics in games.
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...if Samsung scammed 90% of the world then they don't deserve our money.
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How did they scam anyone?
Outbreak444 said:
How did they scam anyone?
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By selling a higher priced, inferior version of the product without mentioning any sort of difference, when the differences are huge.
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By selling a higher priced, inferior version of the product without mentioning any sort of difference, when the differences are huge.
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Well, I'm located in the US and my carrier is Verizon, which heavily relies on CDMA. For half a decade I've had to get what Samsung sells in the US (Snapdragon) and I've never complained about it, even with every generation I've had to deal with Exynos users bragging about how theirs is better. The phones have always worked for what I needed them to. No need for every Exynos fanboy to go up in arms over speed test results. These phones aren't high end gaming computers and I seriously doubt the differences between the two processors will be noticeable in everyday use. Also, it's obvious there's a difference by the Exynos being an 8nm processor and the Snapdragon being a 7nm. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other by default but the technology is different. I think you'll be satisfied with how well your phone performs, regardless of the processor.
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Well, I'm located in the US and my carrier is Verizon, which heavily relies on CDMA. For half a decade I've had to get what Samsung sells in the US (Snapdragon) and I've never complained about it, even with every generation I've had to deal with Exynos users bragging about how theirs is better. The phones have always worked for what I needed them to. No need for every Exynos fanboy to go up in arms over speed test results. These phones aren't high end gaming computers and I seriously doubt the differences between the two processors will be noticeable in everyday use. Also, it's obvious there's a difference by the Exynos being an 8nm processor and the Snapdragon being a 7nm. Doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other by default but the technology is different. I think you'll be satisfied with how well your phone performs, regardless of the processor.
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If there was a 10% difference in speed or battery usage I wouldn't mind, the problem is that according to some tests, it scores worse than the previous gen 845.
Don't get me wrong, I really want to be an Exynos fan and I wish it becomes the dominant choice worldwide since Samsung benefits from it and so do the developers, but I can't support it being worse than a competitor's 2018 SoC while I paid the premium price for it.
Meanwhile, another video where the Exynos has insane battery life, the 6T beats it by one minute, but considering the fact that S10+'s screen is denser and the video recording at the end probably drains more due to the higher quality, it's pretty much a winner.
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Snapdragon is for those who are looking for the higher geekbench scores and better graphics in games.
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Naw, Snapdragon is much better, it's the new 7nm beast, which beats the Exynos. It need less mAh for more power, cuz GPU destroy Mali GPU from Exynos.
Nothing to do with benchmark, just a cheaper SoC for EU and better SoC for rest.
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Naw, Snapdragon is much better, it's the new 7nm beast, which beats the Exynos. It need less mAh for more power, cuz GPU destroy Mali GPU from Exynos.
Nothing to do with benchmark, just a cheaper SoC for EU and better SoC for rest.
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Comparing node density at these levels is not better than bragging about having 1 extra centimeter somewhere, irrelevant if not implemented properly, and node density improvements are supposed to bring theoretic improvements, there's no guarantee they always do.
Look at Kirin's 7nm, very early product and poorly implemented, Apple's jump from 10 to 7 nm also showed quite unimpressive improvements, completely insignificant in real world usage singe iPhone's battery life sucks unless the phone is locked.
And no, it's not a cheaper SoC for the EU, you can literally count how many countries get the Snapdragon on a single hand. The whole rest of the world gets Exynos, stop thinking you're in the center of the universe.
@klanac8901 @Corv0 I was trying to not turn this thread into a d*** measuring contest, I would suggest the two of you follow suit and keep your preferences and opinions to yourselves or else this thread is worthless.
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If there was a 10% difference in speed or battery usage I wouldn't mind, the problem is that according to some tests, it scores worse than the previous gen 845.
Don't get me wrong, I really want to be an Exynos fan and I wish it becomes the dominant choice worldwide since Samsung benefits from it and so do the developers, but I can't support it being worse than a competitor's 2018 SoC while I paid the premium price for it.
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Meanwhile, another video where the Exynos has insane battery life, the 6T beats it by one minute, but considering the fact that S10+'s screen is denser and the video recording at the end probably drains more due to the higher quality, it's pretty much a winner.
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Samsung heavily advertised their new chip as being efficient. With that said, you should get better battery life as well as a great chip at a minimum. Then, for dev's and users like yourself, there will be the ability to tweak every little thing on your phone to improve speed and keep that efficiency. Sure, right out of the box you may not be the best but you're damn close. Give a developer the tools needed and it could, and probably will, become what you want it to be or even greater.
Samsung doesn't scam people, they've made a name for themselves and I would think they want to keep it that way. The Exynos is their baby, you don't think they'd make a crap product for the majority of their users do you? How else would they get their customers to return?
I did see that video earlier, looks pretty sweet if you ask me. I'm excited to see what this phone is capable of in the long run.
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@klanac8901 @Corv0 I was trying to not turn this thread into a d*** measuring contest, I would suggest the two of you follow suit and keep your preferences and opinions to yourselves or else this thread is worthless.
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I have no preference or opinion, all I'm sharing is neutrality and I want unbiased facts.
I decide if this thread is worthless or not, so I don't really see what you're trying to moderate here, don't discount on me.
Without going off topic, Here the S10+ shows some odd behaviour, most of the time when it loses you can see the app taking even 0.5-1s to launch after the icon is tapped, other times it launches and it spends too much in a black screen, it wins every other speed test when that doesn't happen.
Some youtubers mentioned having issues when running these speed tests, some apps kept continuously crashing and they had to select specific shared apps for the tests.
All I can think about is that the Exynos lacks optimisation, on the kernel side or the scheduler, since it is actually newer than the 855.
We spotted 855 reference devices months ago and it had plenty time to mature regarding software support, plus it's a shared platform that doesn't need specific hacks from a single manufacturer.
Even with the node deficiency in mind, the Exynos looks way better on paper than its counterpart, raw single core performance and the super low memory latency show how much silicon power and efficiency there is thanks to proper cache placement this time, hopefully they get their software fixed before the public gets away with a negative impression.
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I have no preference or opinion, all I'm sharing is neutrality and I want unbiased facts.
I decide if this thread is worthless or not, so I don't really see what you're trying to moderate here, don't discount on me.
Without going off topic, Here the S10+ shows some odd behaviour, most of the time when it loses you can see the app taking even 0.5-1s to launch after the icon is tapped, other times it launches and it spends too much in a black screen, it wins every other speed test when that doesn't happen.
Some youtubers mentioned having issues when running these speed tests, some apps kept continuously crashing and they had to select specific shared apps for the tests.
All I can think about is that the Exynos lacks optimisation, on the kernel side or the scheduler, since it is actually newer than the 855.
We spotted 855 reference devices months ago and it had plenty time to mature regarding software support, plus it's a shared platform that doesn't need specific hacks from a single manufacturer.
Even with the node deficiency in mind, the Exynos looks way better on paper than its counterpart, raw single core performance and the super low memory latency show how much silicon power and efficiency there is thanks to proper cache placement this time, hopefully they get their software fixed before the public gets away with a negative impression.
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All I was saying was that a "mine is better than yours" doesn't promote a good discussion. I'm not moderating anything, but I doubt you want this thread to become "the big debate between SD and Exynos".
Back on topic though, I honestly think you'll end up with the superior processor in the end. As I said earlier, you will have the ability to tweak settings that I'll never be able to get close to changing. It's a new chip and it will take some time for developers to find what works better, within Samsung and even here on XDA. Don't base your opinion upon your first use of the device.
In regards to the videos you mentioned of YouTubers having issues, I've seen users saying that the pre-release models they're using are not equivalent to what will be commercially available. I'm not sure if that's true but I could see that being a possibility.
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All I was saying was that a "mine is better than yours" doesn't promote a good discussion. I'm not moderating anything, but I doubt you want this thread to become "the big debate between SD and Exynos".
Back on topic though, I honestly think you'll end up with the superior processor in the end. As I said earlier, you will have the ability to tweak settings that I'll never be able to get close to changing. It's a new chip and it will take some time for developers to find what works better, within Samsung and even here on XDA. Don't base your opinion upon your first use of the device.
In regards to the videos you mentioned of YouTubers having issues, I've seen users saying that the pre-release models they're using are not equivalent to what will be commercially available. I'm not sure if that's true but I could see that being a possibility.
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Not really a debate between the two since Snapdragon's not accessible to most people and I wouldn't want a censored platform either , he just sounded bad with the usual "uh but 7nm is better than 8".
I checked the demo versions in stores multiple times and they work flawlessly, it makes the whole benchmark drama looks overblown, let's hope it becomes a reliable platform.
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Not really a debate between the two since Snapdragon's not accessible to most people and I wouldn't want a censored platform either , he just sounded bad with the usual "uh but 7nm is better than 8".
I checked the demo versions in stores multiple times and they work flawlessly, it makes the whole benchmark drama looks overblown, let's hope it becomes a reliable platform.
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Exactly why I said that.
Light use of those phones may not have resulted in any noticing issues tough.
I have an Exynos S10+ right now (retail unit) and would be happy to share any information you guys want. benchmark numbers, camera samples...anything. just reply to my post
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I have an Exynos S10+ right now (retail unit) and would be happy to share any information you guys want. benchmark numbers, camera samples...anything. just reply to my post
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Please run all PCmark's benchmarks
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Please run all PCmark's benchmarks
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Here you go
How is this a scam? Samsung clearly tells you the specification they're selling you. They aren't hiding nothing lol. Your definition of scam is flawed yo.
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How is this a scam? Samsung clearly tells you the specification they're selling you. They aren't hiding nothing lol. Your definition of scam is flawed yo.
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Specifications are meaningless, the only info they shared is simple superficial stuff that we already knew, there's no guarantee of same performance levels across all variants and there clearly is a difference at the moment.
If you sell "octa core processor" around while half of the units have worse performance than the previous generation, that's a scam.
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Specifications are meaningless, the only info they shared is simple superficial stuff that we already knew, there's no guarantee of same performance levels across all variants and there clearly is a difference at the moment.
If you sell "octa core processor" around while half of the units have worse performance than the previous generation, that's a scam.
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That's not a scam. Your definition of scam doesn't make sense.
If they wanted to sell something slower than last generation, that's fine, you got your information, don't buy it. They aren't hiding anything from you, they are pretty much giving you all the information before you buy it. You're the one at fault for buying it. Plus this is faster than last Exynos generation, so it's actually valid for the continent it sold at.