I have researched and looked but can't seem to find a definitive answer. How does the Note 4 DE get updated to the next version of Android? For example, I order the Note 4 DE today with 4.4.4. What happens when 5.x.x comes out. How does that phone get the update. I have been told by Samsung that the wireless carrier is going to put out the update; however I know better than that as the boot loader will get locked. I have read were Samsung Kies is used to update also. I have read (on xda) that Samsung has and probably will never send out an update for a DE device. I am looking to keep the UDP with Verizon so I have to pay full price when getting a DE device or retail. Thanks.
If your stock and locked with the de it'll come over the air, and because it's the developer edition it will not lock the phone. But if you unlock and run the custom roms you can update threw recovery with the custom software of your choosing.
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So, OTA updates will not lock the boot loader on the Developer Edition Note 4. I was going to wait until 5.x.x came out for the note 4 so I could buy the note 4 DE with it already on it. That apparently is not necessary because the OTA updates will not lock the boot loader and the DE units will get 5.x.x when the retail one does through OTA... correct?
P.S - I am planning on tinkering around with Rom's once I get all the research done and know what I am doing. The last time I messed around with the phone was when I had the HTC Thunderbolt. Thanks for the quick reply.
Nemo Aeternamn said:
If your stock and locked with the de it'll come over the air, and because it's the developer edition it will not lock the phone. But if you unlock and run the custom roms you can update threw recovery with the custom software of your choosing.
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Where to start...first, there no such thing as "stock and locked" on a developer edition. It is unrooted, but the bootloader is unlocked out of the box. Secondly past developer edition phones did not get updates and even if one happened to appear, I would be very cautious about taking it as you definitely do not know that it "will not lock your phone". Developer edition phones were designed for developers and as such the expectation is that the user is knowledge and can handle tweaking and updating on their own. Do not expect an OTA update.
As for how the DE will get 5.0, that will be up to a creative developer somewhere to put out a ROM that can be flashed in custom recovery. Some work has been done on CM 12 so we shall see.
Thanks tfly212!!! That is exactly what I needed to know. I will be reading everything I can to get that knowledge. Thanks again!
AMG32man said:
Thanks tfly212!!! That is exactly what I needed to know. I will be reading everything I can to get that knowledge. Thanks again!
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No worries. The dev edition is a great device. There are some good ROMs available on 4.4.4 and I'm sure there will be a 5.0 ROM at some point. I'm in no rush for 5.0... Not until Xposed is supported. I use a bunch of those modules and would miss them too much.
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No worries. The dev edition is a great device. There are some good ROMs available on 4.4.4 and I'm sure there will be a 5.0 ROM at some point. I'm in no rush for 5.0... Not until Xposed is supported. I use a bunch of those modules and would miss them too much.
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i agree i need xposed right now. i missed xposed bad on my nexus 6. note on 4.4.4 with xposed is great for me right now
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Hi all,
Just got my new Note 4. Have not taken any OTA updates so I am on 4.4.4 Android.
Whats next to root, debloat, and install a custom rom? Who's got the best minimalist type rom out right now? From what I've read it doesn't seem like there is much out there for 5.0 - just didn't know what the process was for this earlier version still, and how to make the update nag screen go away, or if there were any distinct advantages/disadvantages to upgrading.
Do you have the retail or developer edition?
Currently the retail edition only has temporary root which goes away after reboot. The devs are currently working on permanent root.
The developer edition has permanent root and has the ability to have custom Roms
I bought a retail version from the Verizon store, I didn't know there were differences actually? This makes me kind of sad now.
No known root method even for the older un OTA updated setup? Thats very unfortunate...
There is is a root method for the 4.4.4 kitkat. It's just temporary at the moment.
Like I mentioned, the developers are working on making it permanent right now.
droidx2.3.3 said:
There is is a root method for the 4.4.4 kitkat. It's just temporary at the moment.
Like I mentioned, the developers are working on making it permanent right now.
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Thanks - looks like I'm just sitting tight for now then, I'll check back in a few days.
You can still try the temp heres the link kingroot.net/root
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Alright guys, so I just learned how to root my note 4 by reverting back to kitkat then rooting. However, I would like to install cyanogenmod after that. Can I get some help on cyanogenmod size and how I flash it?
Do you have developer edition? if not you cannot do that
There is no root, only Zuul...
Why can't I root?
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Why can't I root?
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You CAN root, but no permenant changes can be made, and root is lost on each reboot. That's why there are no recoveries, kernels, ROMs, etc. ONLY the Developer edition models, that have unlocked bootloaders, will allow permenant changes, such as installing Cyanogenmod.
If you had to revert back to KK in order to root, you don't have a developer edition device.
chevycam94 said:
You CAN root, but no permenant changes can be made, and root is lost on each reboot. That's why there are no recoveries, kernels, ROMs, etc. ONLY the Developer edition models, that have unlocked bootloaders, will allow permenant changes, such as installing Cyanogenmod.
If you had to revert back to KK in order to root, you don't have a developer edition device.
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I'm a little lost with the whole dev edition and what not, and I haven't installed a rom in forever. So, with that said, is this the dev edition of my phone? And if so, where do I start? I'd love Cyanogen mod, or really, any ROM other than stock. I want to get rid of all the bloat!
i.imgur.com/jzj3d7M.png since I can't post links yet...
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I'm a little lost with the whole dev edition and what not, and I haven't installed a rom in forever. So, with that said, is this the dev edition of my phone? And if so, where do I start? I'd love Cyanogen mod, or really, any ROM other than stock. I want to get rid of all the bloat!
i.imgur.com/jzj3d7M.png since I can't post links yet...
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: There are two version of the Note 4, the Developer Edition which you can only buy directly from Samsung and the Retail Version which is sold by the carriers. The Developer Edition has an unlocked bootloader which allows you to install TWRP or other custom recovery, root and flash ROMs. The Retail Version cannot be rooted and you cannot install a custom recovery or flash ROMs. If you bought your Note 4 from Verizon I can guarantee it is not a Developer Edition.
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: There are two version of the Note 4, the Developer Edition which you can only buy directly from Samsung and the Retail Version which is sold by the carriers. The Developer Edition has an unlocked bootloader which allows you to install TWRP or other custom recovery, root and flash ROMs. The Retail Version cannot be rooted and you cannot install a custom recovery or flash ROMs. If you bought your Note 4 from Verizon I can guarantee it is not a Developer Edition.
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I heard that Verizon did sell developer edition phones to those that went with the non-subsidized plans (which I did), but I can never seem to find real info on which is what. :\
Nephtis said:
I heard that Verizon did sell developer edition phones to those that went with the non-subsidized plans (which I did), but I can never seem to find real info on which is what. :\
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Verizon maybe selling "SIM Unlocked" phones, but they are not selling Developer Edition Note 4s. They may also be selling Moto X Developer Edition phones or something like that. The only way to purchase a NEW Developer Edition Note 4 is directly through Samsung, and they are not offering any for sale at this point.
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I heard that Verizon did sell developer edition phones to those that went with the non-subsidized plans (which I did), but I can never seem to find real info on which is what. :\
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If your Note 4 doesn't have "developer edition" under the battery you have a retail edition and a locked bootloader.
tbparkey said:
If your Note 4 doesn't have "developer edition" under the battery you have a retail edition and a locked bootloader.
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Yup yup just like my baby lol
Ok, I'll start off by saying that I have searched around, but haven't been able to find a definitive and up-to-date answer. Either that, or I just didn't understand an answer because I know almost nothing about any of the technical jargon.
Here's my problem. I just got a new Sprint Note 4 and it unfortunately came with 5.1.1 already loaded, so I didn't have a choice. I've seen the difference between Lollipop and Kitkat (and read numerous complaints), so I know that I would definitely prefer to be running Kitkat. And if there's any way to downgrade for 4.4.4, I'd like to do it now while the phone is new so I wouldn't have to worry about backing up a lot of data.
Useful information: the phone is an SM-N910P and is on N910PVPU4COG5, which I believe is the latest version.
Is there currently any known method--non-root, rooting, flashing, going to 5.0 and then to 4.4.4, etc.--to downgrade a Sprint Note 4 on COG5 to Kitkat? And if so, where does a laymen like myself start?
Thanks a lot.
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Ok, I'll start off by saying that I have searched around, but haven't been able to find a definitive and up-to-date answer. Either that, or I just didn't understand an answer because I know almost nothing about any of the technical jargon.
Here's my problem. I just got a new Sprint Note 4 and it unfortunately came with 5.1.1 already loaded, so I didn't have a choice. I've seen the difference between Lollipop and Kitkat (and read numerous complaints), so I know that I would definitely prefer to be running Kitkat. And if there's any way to downgrade for 4.4.4, I'd like to do it now while the phone is new so I wouldn't have to worry about backing up a lot of data.
Useful information: the phone is an SM-N910P and is on N910PVPU4COG5, which I believe is the latest version.
Is there currently any known method--non-root, rooting, flashing, going to 5.0 and then to 4.4.4, etc.--to downgrade a Sprint Note 4 on COG5 to Kitkat? And if so, where does a laymen like myself start?
Thanks a lot.
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Not possible.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=62923032
pcmanager said:
Not possible.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=62923032
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+1 Way too many risks trying to downgrade. There was a way mentioned to flash any Lollipop ROM but I doubt it applies to KitKat.
Give Lollipop 5.1.1/OG5 a chance. It's got some security and bug fixes the other stock versions and ports don't have. There's even some ports like themes and Screen Off Memo that work with it. And Xposed works as well.
Development is coming along. Read the thread on Sacs Note 5 port for fixes fixes posted in the last 2 or 3 days for that ROM. (HINT: Before flashing, go into the zip archive to delete the test files in /system/etc/init.d and pull the build.prop and look for dpi and set it at 640 and replace it). That will get you started with a good custom ROM that should only get better going forward. I can't recall but I think was still yet another another fix posted in that thread.
Stock OG5 with Beastmode kernel is no slouch if you can get it setup to counter the issues from applying just root.
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+1 Way too many risks trying to downgrade. There was a way mentioned to flash any Lollipop ROM but I doubt it applies to KitKat.
Give Lollipop 5.1.1/OG5 a chance. It's got some security and bug fixes the other stock versions and ports don't have. There's even some ports like themes and Screen Off Memo that work with it. And Xposed works as well.
Development is coming along. Read the thread on Sacs Note 5 port for fixes fixes posted in the last 2 or 3 days for that ROM. (HINT: Before flashing, go into the zip archive to delete the test files in /system/etc/init.d and pull the build.prop and look for dpi and set it at 640 and replace it). That will get you started with a good custom ROM that should only get better going forward. I can't recall but I think was still yet another another fix posted in that thread.
Stock OG5 with Beastmode kernel is no slouch if you can get it setup to counter the issues from applying just root.
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Now, see, I don't really understand a portion of what you just said. But I get the tone of what you're saying and I appreciate the help anyway. : P
bastienfils said:
Now, see, I don't really understand a portion of what you just said. But I get the tone of what you're saying and I appreciate the help anyway. : P
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In that case, I highly recommend Hybrid X 3.0
The stock ROMs require a little attention. If you want to go with stock, I can send you a carbon copy of a PM I just sent to another user.
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Hi everyone, hope you're having an amazing day!
I was wondering if there is a root available for the SM-N910V running 5.0.1. I've looked on google, and there are lots of yes, and no answers. Could someone help clear this up for me?
Thanks!
There is not a root available for the retail edition of the Verizon note 4 on 5.0.1.
Redjay412 said:
There is not a root available for the retail edition of the Verizon note 4 on 5.0.1.
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Okay, thanks! Hopefully, there'll be one eventually!
JRM_3 said:
Okay, thanks! Hopefully, there'll be one eventually!
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Dont search for root, root method is already there for developers edition, so the fact that ROOT IS ALREADY THERE is 100% true.
What you need to search for is either "unlock bootloader" or "rooted firmware" or "rooted kernel" or something else.
Not much so far.
Just make sure when u search google, click search tools and select more recent results. That way u dont end up finding most popular pages that are many many months old.
tonycstech said:
Dont search for root, root method is already there for developers edition, so the fact that ROOT IS ALREADY THERE is 100% true.
What you need to search for is either "unlock bootloader" or "rooted firmware" or "rooted kernel" or something else.
Not much so far.
Just make sure when u search google, click search tools and select more recent results. That way u dont end up finding most popular pages that are many many months old.
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Actually, requesting root for 5.0.1 in this forum is quite appropriate and very different from unlocked bootloaders, rooted firmware or rooted kernel. In fact, installing a new kernel or rom usually requires an unlocked bootloader and getting that done usually requires a root method first so there's some chance of writing a new recovery. With root, methods such as what is now known as SafeStrap (the result of a technique discovered by Birdman, matured by myself and then claimed by another person who's made a habit of claiming others' work as his own) can allow for quite a bit of customization, but typically not so much as a new kernel, let alone different ROMs.
Right now, the state of the Note 4 is that only the Dev Edition (DE) has much of anything going on. You'll find all sorts of frustrating and unclear information about KingRoot, but it's of almost no use unless you think you can abuse it to search for a more complete and permanent root method, but if you knew how to do such a thing, I doubt you'd be here asking for root If you see ROMs or anything else advanced in this forum that doesn't specify it's only for the DE, assume it is.
I've been around since the days of CupCake (and built WiMo roms previously, along with some of the earliest ROMs and rooting) and based on experience, I'd say that the only chance left seeing root on the retail Note 4 is if another root method (new as of today/2015-12-28) is discovered elsewhere that applies to 5.x/5.0.1 OR the Note 4 sees another OTA and we get really lucky (unlikely).
exactly why am returning it and getting S5. But even with S5 its unclear if towelroot will work or not.
I assume it will if S5 was not updated to 5.0+ but runs older 4.4.4. Is this correct assumption ?
Thanks for informative reply.
tonycstech said:
exactly why am returning it and getting S5. But even with S5 its unclear if towelroot will work or not.
I assume it will if S5 was not updated to 5.0+ but runs older 4.4.4. Is this correct assumption ?
Thanks for informative reply.
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Yes but I would do some reading in the Verizon s5 forum because there is a build cutoff for root on the s5. If you're getting a new s5 from Verizon the chances are low you will get one without the latest build at this point
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Yes but I would do some reading in the Verizon s5 forum because there is a build cutoff for root on the s5. If you're getting a new s5 from Verizon the chances are low you will get one without the latest build at this point
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Seller said its still on 4.4.4 which is good news.
I just now need to find a thread on how to root 4.4.4 S5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2784880
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...w-to-update-to-g900voe1-5-0-keeproot-t3149784
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23681161096070831
Whatever you do don't take any OTA updates, some are forced so get it rooted asap and then use the pre-rooted lollipop images
I know I'm a little behind here and that the S8 is a year old, but I have an S8+ coming and wanted to know what to expect. I see there aren't really any ROMs for it, but is root even possible? I'm not too worried about it because I'm coming from a Verizon Note 5 that I used for over a year without root. Would just be nice to have so I can go back to using my root apps. Any insight is greatly appreciated. Thanks!
35 views, no comments lol. Tells me exactly what I needed to know.
Hi,
Seems this phone is dead for Verizon users as the boot-loader is locked so you get official update to Android 8.0 and not 8.1 but hopefully in the coming month or so.. Samsung is known to be late so
There is root if you have BL versions 1, 2, or 3. Check the S8+ forum for ROMs. Also see the S8+ Verizon forum for ROMs. There are some custom (stock based) ROMs and the ability to install and use Safestrap on unrooted versions. Safestrap use is currently pretty limited. If you have a version 4 bootloader no-one has figured out how to root yet as far as I know, but there is some work being done. It is true that the bootloader is not unlocked so the options are limited.