i stumble upon a thread that S-off is really needed to have proper and compatible FW and ROM. Question is, isnt it the FW is packed with the ROM? My M8 is rooted, bootloader open but still S-Off (IC ROM and Elemental KERNEL). Please enlighten me.
PS: i read about this whole thing coz the boot time of my phone is just too long, i asked in one of the thread here; someone said that its because of this FW and ROM thingy that might be incompatible...
Sorry if i asked too much. Thanks anyway...
knights.JayTana said:
Question is, isnt it the FW is packed with the ROM?
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No. Firmware is not packed with custom ROMs. When talking about updating the firmware, we are referring to the hboot, radio, and other modules (WiFi, Bluetooth, etc.). Flashing a ROM doesn't touch those firmware partitions. And in fact the radio and hboot partitions can not be modified with S-on. Which is why s-off is required to update the firmware manually.
Yes, long boot time is a known symptom of flashing a 2.x based custom ROM, while having outdated 1.x based firmware on the phone. So you need to s-off and update the firmware manually.
Alternately, you can return to stock ROM and recovery, and install your latest official OTA, which will update the firmware.
knights.JayTana said:
i stumble upon a thread that S-off is really needed to have proper and compatible FW and ROM. Question is, isnt it the FW is packed with the ROM? My M8 is rooted, bootloader open but still S-Off (IC ROM and Elemental KERNEL). Please enlighten me.
PS: i read about this whole thing coz the boot time of my phone is just too long, i asked in one of the thread here; someone said that its because of this FW and ROM thingy that might be incompatible...
Sorry if i asked too much. Thanks anyway...
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Your firmware is separate from the ROM you run, it runs between the ROM and the hardware if you like. Its the base software that is updated by RUU or an OTA, but a ROM won't update it. Hence why devs recommend to update firmware to the latest as their ROM is based on the latest sources, but it doesnt update it.
redpoint73 said:
No. Firmware is not packed with custom ROMs. When talking about updating the firmware, we are referring to the hboot, radio, and other modules (WiFi, Bluetooth, etc.). Flashing a ROM doesn't touch those firmware partitions. And in fact the radio and hboot partitions can not be modified with S-on. Which is why s-off is required to update the firmware manually.
Yes, long boot time is a known symptom of flashing a 2.x based custom ROM, while having outdated 1.x based firmware on the phone. So you need to s-off and update the firmware manually.
Alternately, you can return to stock ROM and recovery, and install your latest official OTA, which will update the firmware.
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gsmyth said:
Your firmware is separate from the ROM you run, it runs between the ROM and the hardware if you like. Its the base software that is updated by RUU or an OTA, but a ROM won't update it. Hence why devs recommend to update firmware to the latest as their ROM is based on the latest sources, but it doesnt update it.
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Thanks a lot to both of you guys. Do i need stock RUU on my phone other than stock recovery? How about the bootloader? Another thing is, cant seem to open/enter Firewater website? been trying for 3 days now, no luck...
knights.JayTana said:
Thanks a lot to both of you guys. Do i need stock RUU on my phone other than stock recovery? How about the bootloader? Another thing is, cant seem to open/enter Firewater website? been trying for 3 days now, no luck...
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Just tried the firewater site and its working ok for me, was able to download the firewater tool also.
Working now, Thanks a lot... Damn this browser... hehehehe
knights.JayTana said:
Do i need stock RUU on my phone other than stock recovery? How about the bootloader? Another thing is, cant seem to open/enter Firewater website? been trying for 3 days now, no luck...
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You probably won't find an RUU for your version, as I believe only the US versions have RUU. Unfortunate, as RUU would be another way update you to the 2.x firmware, and would be a really easy way to do so.
You just need stock ROM and recovery, for purpose of accepting OTAs. You should be able to get both of those here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376
You shouldn't have to do anything with bootloader. Since you are still S-on, there is no way you would have been able to modify bootloader, and therefore it is still stock.
Firewater website works fine for me. In fact, it loads almost instantly. Do you have any local firewalls or anything else that might be blocking the website? Although also be aware that firewater won't work on most recent M8's (and you may need to use sunshine if you want s-off). Although it doesn't hurt to try firewater.
???? does this mean i cant no longer use firewater on my m8?
knights.JayTana said:
???? does this mean i cant no longer use firewater on my m8?
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Most likely if yu get that message, than NO firewater won't work.
Although some custom ROMs (not sure about InserCoin) and kernels might interfere with firewater.
What hboot and radio baseband?
ohhh no, im with elementalX Kernel. Will try my luck with Stock kernel. Ill be back here later, rebooting my phone takes ages
Still no luck. hahahahahahaha!!! Damn... Tried the Sunshine but will also not work without stock ROM and Kernel. hahahahaahha...
knights.JayTana said:
Tried the Sunshine but will also not work without stock ROM and Kernel. hahahahaahha...
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I've read that Maximum ROM works with Sunshine.
EDIT: Meant "Maximus". Keep typing that name wrong. My brain keeps wanting to autocorrect!
Although you might need to find an older build of Maximus. I see that as of last night, it was just updated to Android 4.4.4! So bets are off about Sunshine working with Maximus, until its reported to work with the new build.
redpoint73 said:
I've read that Maximum ROM works with Sunshine.
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Here's the HBOOT info. Please help me guys
knights.JayTana said:
Here's the HBOOT info. Please help me guys
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3.16 may or may not work with firewater. If you have tried with stock ROM and kernel, and get the "whelp" message, than you are out of luck.
Sunshine should work, again I'd try with stock ROM and kernel.
I made it with Sunshine... heheheehhe... Thanks a lot guys...
Is there any possible way to flash the new firmware on my Tmobile HTC M8 Phone without haveing S-off ?
Andr3w151 said:
Is there any possible way to flash the new firmware on my Tmobile HTC M8 Phone without haveing S-off ?
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What do you mean by "new" firmware? The latest T-Mob firmware, or the brand new 3.28 (Android 4.4.4) firmware?
For the latter (3.28) than NO. You can't modify the partitions (hboot, radio, etc.) in question by unofficial means without S-off.
If you mean the former (latest T-Mob firmware) then yes, you can update by official means. Either relock the bootloader and run the latest RUU. Or return to stock ROM and recovery and update by OTA.
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What do you mean by "new" firmware? The latest T-Mob firmware, or the brand new 3.28 (Android 4.4.4) firmware?
For the latter (3.28) than NO. You can't modify the partitions (hboot, radio, etc.) in question by unofficial means without S-off.
If you mean the former (latest T-Mob firmware) then yes, you can update by official means. Either relock the bootloader and run the latest RUU. Or return to stock ROM and recovery and update by OTA.
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If I'm s-off, how do I modify firmware.zip to work with T-Mobile?
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nysoprano said:
If I'm s-off, how do I modify firmware.zip to work with T-Mobile?
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I saw your posts on the ARHD, and if you modified the firmware zip in the past, in theory it should work the same for the 3.x firmware version.
Although it should be said that modifying firmware is potentially risky; as any errors that occur with flashing hboot or radio can result in a brick. Only tinker around if you know what you are doing, and willing to accept the consequences if things go wrong.
Safest course would be to wait for an official T-Mobile firmware to deploy; or flash a firmware verified by other T-Mob users to work.
Gentleman (and why not, ladies):
Installed yesterday a stock GPE 4.4.3 version on my M8. I'm S-ON, stock recovery and rooted.
Just received the info for the 4.4.4 OTA update. My CID is also already set to GOOGL001.
Is it risky to just let it do it's thing? I know that I'll lose root, but is there a problem besides that? Will the process complete sucessfully?
Anyone?
Why don't you just flash the pre-rooted 4.4.4 GPE ruu?
HTC One M8
I believe that S-OFF is needed and Firewater didn't worked with my phone.
felipaopl said:
I believe that S-OFF is needed and Firewater didn't worked with my phone.
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You think s-off is needed for OTA? Why would you think that?
As long as your are stock ROM and stock recovery, the OTA install will be fine.
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You think s-off is needed for OTA? Why would you think that?
As long as your are stock ROM and stock recovery, the OTA install will be fine.
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wOUld this be the case if my cid was telst001
stuck on 3.18 firmware cant get s-off and unsure if i can change cid without it
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noone606 said:
wOUld this be the case if my cid was telst001
stuck on 3.18 firmware cant get s-off and unsure if i can change cid without it
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You can't change CID without it. Have you tried Sunshine S-Off? Firewater doesn't work anymore.
Tried sunshine but need to go to a more stock rom i guess, on sinless gpe at the moment its 4.4.4 and working fine?
Not as good a battery life as i had before on viper but new viper will install but no wifi
You need the latest firmware with the new 4.4.4 roms. Read the viper site very carefully and it explains why
Thankfully I finally was able to RUU back to stock... I know the At&t update is supposed to come at some point, but I am wondering if there is a lollipop rom that works with S-On or can I flash the GPE while still S-On?
Thanks in advance
You can flash any ROM, they just won't work properly without the Lollipop FW.
Why not S-OFF and convert the phone to the Developer Edition?
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Thankfully I finally was able to RUU back to stock... I know the At&t update is supposed to come at some point, but I am wondering if there is a lollipop rom that works with S-On or can I flash the GPE while still S-On?
Thanks in advance
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I been using GPE Lollipop on kitkat firmware for a while before HTC released Lollipop firmware. It worked all fine, just some problems with the wifi dropping out, if you come across that problem just turn your bluetooth on.
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You can flash any ROM, they just won't work properly without the Lollipop FW.
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Actually most GPE and AOSP ROMs will work with 4.4.4 firmware, far as I am aware. OP should check the specific ROM thread (for the desired ROM or ROMs) to make sure, as its usually defined pretty clearly in the top few posts of each ROM thread.
But you are right, if the OP wants a Sense LP ROM, they will need to update to the corresponding firmware.
Hi guys,
I just got an HTC 10 and i'm coming directly from the 'ol ONE S.
Questions are: I just want to install the latest MaximusHD rom on my device (I already unlocked it and installed TWRP). What can happen if i don't do the S-off with sunshine? Will I miss the opportunity to get OTA? What will happen when Nougat OTA is out? Without s-off can I still update the phone with the RUU and then install the latest nougat maximus?
Thanks in advance!!!
Nicola
You don't need S-off for any of that stuff.
Install Maximus, and when that gets updated to Nougat just flash the latest version. You won't get OTAs from htc anyway when on a custom Rom.
S-off is only needed for you if you want to downgrade your software to an older version through an ruu, or if you want to flash an ruu that wasn't made for your phone. You can still flash an ruu while s-on as long as it's made for your phone (mid) version and is at least at the same firmware version you are already at.
Tarima said:
You don't need S-off for any of that stuff.
Install Maximus, and when that gets updated to Nougat just flash the latest version. You won't get OTAs from htc anyway when on a custom Rom.
S-off is only needed for you if you want to downgrade your software to an older version through an ruu, or if you want to flash an ruu that wasn't made for your phone. You can still flash an ruu while s-on as long as it's made for your phone (mid) version and is at least at the same firmware version you are already at.
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Great! So it's even better than in the One S days. Thanks mate, really appreciate your reply!