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I'm an Android novice, never had an Android phone before. I like Motorola Defy but have some concerns, before considering buying it, as follows.
First thing: Getting rid of MotoBlur
MotoBlur software is cumbersome and unnecessary (fixed by flashing stock MB525 firmware)
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Second: dealing with locked bootloader (maybe a huge problem)
Locked bootloader means there wont be any custom ROMs for the phone until someone is able to get past it without bricking theirs.
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However, I've seen custom ROMs here, such as Defy: How to install Custom ROM, BlueGinger 2.3 UI ROM for Defy, etc.
The bootloader is what loads up the operating system in very simple terms. By locking or signing it, it means that we need to present Motorola's certificate every time we want to load a custom ROM/kernel.
Though what he says is true, you can still root the phone, install pseudo-custom ROMs (they are all right here in the forums) and do tons of other things.
This is still a great great phone though and probably the best in the market in my opinion.
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A friend wrote me this:
As I can see, it has MIUI, CM7, etc, the most important ROMs are already there, if it gets more popular, more ROMs will be available. Once you unlock bootloader, be careful not to lock it again, i.e. do not use the official update. I never had Defy, but I think it should be done relatively easily, maybe not easy as with HTC Desire, for instance.
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I found this on the forum:
Locked Bootloader means that you can't boot an unsigned Kernel.
All the Custom rom you can find for the Defy are made from official and signed ROM, no Kernel mods etc . (These are just mod of actual rom, non "new ROM" from AOSP i.e.)
That's why you can't have a full custom ROM with Custom Kernel (unless Motorola release a ROM with this Kernel signed)
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And this:
So what are the ways can we improve overall performance on the kernel level?
As of today you can't
Sorry. I don't like being the one that delivers bad news, but unfortunately for users due moto's locked bootloader policy, they have essentially locked us all out of the most valuable component of the computer technology we purchased. MOTO FAIL!
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Does it change something?
Correct me if I'm wrong, these custom ROMs are not really custom, since kernel part can not be changed. Does that affect speed & other customizations -- really do not know. Am I wrong?
Thank you for reading this. If you think Defy is too complicated you may suggest another phone in that price range (GSM, not CDMA, unlocked).
Is there a way to bypass dootloader?
owim said:
Is there a way to bypass dootloader?
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according to my habits it doesn't bother me to see moto logo every time , but living in android world (2.1) before getting the second update for a long time it's nasty.
so i think in case u wanna buy something real cool try to check htc daulboot which never has loader problem.
that's my personal opinion but comparing it's features (defy) to other similar releases (sony ericsson) or etc it's really cool , plus all add the reality of power of combining the processor requirement . 800 mhz to 1.2 ghz
so enjoy whith moto logo.
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these are some really good questions. I am in the same boat as the OP. Any replies to his questions would be great
moto says they are going to unlock the bootloader by year's end... hope they keep their promise.
Will they unlock all models or just the new ones? I am afraid i already know the answer to that question - "we dont know yet" .
I guess the answer is that customizing Defy everything would be more complicated than HTC Desire or Samsung Galaxy S.
I don't wanna spend days in playing with the phone, trying to get off Motoblur and put nice custom ROM.
So, I would move to Desire or Galaxy... even though I don't want to. Would you agree?
I'm on CM7, it's fast and stable, with good battery life, themes and much more.
As soon as camera gets completely fixed i will be able not to care at all about a locked bootloader!
owim said:
I guess the answer is that customizing Defy everything would be more complicated than HTC Desire or Samsung Galaxy S.
I don't wanna spend days in playing with the phone, trying to get off Motoblur and put nice custom ROM.
So, I would move to Desire or Galaxy... even though I don't want to. Would you agree?
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well..if you think customizing Defy is complicated so galaxy s will also be.
Desire has more stable roms an it is the right choose for who is interested in hard modding and for sure you will spend a whole day too
Mikis89 said:
I'm on CM7, it's fast and stable, with good battery life, themes and much more.
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So, you did find a way to bypass locked bootloader and all other stuff I don't really get, and have CM7 is up and running? Is it complicated? Is there a downside?
As soon as camera gets completely fixed i will be able not to care at all about a locked bootloader!
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What's wrong with camera?
menonino said:
well..if you think customizing Defy is complicated so galaxy s will also be.
Desire has more stable roms an it is the right choose for who is interested in hard modding and for sure you will spend a whole day too
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But Galaxy S does not have locked bootloader. I'm a total novice. Defy with CM7 sounds great, but how to get from standard Defy with Motoblur to CM7? As s novice? I am sure you can understand my perspective.
My final choice would be one of these: Defy, Desire or Galaxy S. I like Defy since is smaller and rigged. Knowing all that, care to share an advice? I'm a novice, never used Android before.
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So, you did find a way to bypass locked bootloader and all other stuff I don't really get, and have CM7 is up and running? Is it complicated? Is there a downside?
What's wrong with camera?
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Bootloader is still locked, but take a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1033654
I made it without problems, but i see many reports of bootloops etc...
Camera preview doesn't always match with the picture taken, at least in widescreen mode.
Just tried to use the "defy camera hack":
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1064124
Lost widescreen mode but pictures look much better.
Beside this no problems at all, it's stable, fast and battery last more than a single day with average use.
well the thing is for our phones *motorola* our boot loaders are locked but we are using pseudo roms. so mostly we have partial roms. no change in the kernel which have extra functions. all our roms are based on a leak or some official release from motorola. boot loops are mostly due to incorrect versions flashed on non down gradable versions or just a simple thing like a step over looked * most of our roms require a wipe, so dalvik and a factory restore is needed as some apps are incompatible when you flash*
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well the thing is for our phones *motorola* our boot loaders are locked but we are using pseudo roms. so mostly we have partial roms. no change in the kernel which have extra functions. all our roms are based on a leak or some official release from motorola. boot loops are mostly due to incorrect versions flashed on non down gradable versions or just a simple thing like a step over looked * most of our roms require a wipe, so dalvik and a factory restore is needed as some apps are incompatible when you flash*
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So what exactly "extra functions" does having an unlocked bootloader give you? from what I've seen I can't tell the difference
gladius999 said:
So what exactly "extra functions" does having an unlocked bootloader give you? from what I've seen I can't tell the difference
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what i meant was that we dont get the extra functions. what we get is more or less cosmetic changes and some mods
My advice: Buy Defy and enjoy it! (trust me, you will enjoy it)
Keep it stock for few days to make sure that everything is ok with it and to reach max battery potential (3-4 times 0-100% & 100-0%) and after go for any ROM you want, they all are great (I am using barebones and i can tell you that this is 120% working)
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My advice: Buy Defy and enjoy it! (trust me, you will enjoy it)
Keep it stock for few days to make sure that everything is ok with it and to reach max battery potential (3-4 times 0-100% & 100-0%) and after go for any ROM you want, they all are great (I am using barebones and i can tell you that this is 120% working)
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well said. also barebones is really bare. so have fun customizing and installing your apps to your preference
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what i meant was that we dont get the extra functions. what we get is more or less cosmetic changes and some mods
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lol what i meant to ask was what cool functions do we miss out on which unlocked bootloaders have?
Guys i am torn. One minute i want to unlock through HTC dev website but on the other hand i want to wait for the S-OFF exploit. Not just that, wondering if i unlock will i still be able to get OTA updates still? I know i will do from what i read but few more confirmations would probably ease my mind.
Had a year my galaxy s2 and was lucky enough that the s2 was already unlocked. Not a stranger to rooting but coming over to the HTC One x and reading on instructions on how to root kinda gets me worried.
What do you think guys? Development i am sure will be picking up but do you think it is worth to unlock through the dev site and if so why please.
Many thanks.
The OneX is really easy to root and the nvidia tegra tweak is well worth it
The One X honestly isn't that hard to root.
Just need to unlock the bootloader - then install recovery and then obviously flash a rooted ROM.
Great instructions from bagofcrap24 here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592355
The best thing for me after rooting was getting rid of the three dot menu button that takes up screen space on some apps. Using LeeDroid's ROM, I now have the Recent Apps button mapped to Menu and long pressing Home mapped to Recent Apps.
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The One X honestly isn't that hard to root.
Just need to unlock the bootloader - then install recovery and then obviously flash a rooted ROM.
Great instructions from bagofcrap24 here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1592355
The best thing for me after rooting was getting rid of the three dot menu button that takes up screen space on some apps. Using LeeDroid's ROM, I now have the Recent Apps button mapped to Menu and long pressing Home mapped to Recent Apps.
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i know mate...it is really a question of when to do it...i mean i do not get as to why they do not come unlocked already though...what is the big deal of them locking the bootloader..that is one of the things that made me go for the s2 over the sensation. cause it was so easy to root through odin. might do it today and unlock and root
Waiting for our great developers to unlock it.
Not a fan of the whole warranty thing via the official HTC unlock tool...
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Waiting for our great developers to unlock it.
Not a fan of the whole warranty thing via the official HTC unlock tool...
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see that is the problem that is holding me back Foggy mate. some people say it does not void your warranty some say it does. The actual website says it does void your warranty...Kinda confusing if you ask me. I mean i had my s2 for a whole year before i sold it and it never died on me. But i am really not willing to take the risk with the HOX just yet.
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see that is the problem that is holding me back Foggy mate. some people say it does not void your warranty some say it does. The actual website says it does void your warranty...Kinda confusing if you ask me. I mean i had my s2 for a whole year before i sold it and it never died on me. But i am really not willing to take the risk with the HOX just yet.
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To be fair it says
"It is our responsibility to caution you that not all claims resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader may be covered under warranty."
I think there's def the emphasis on "resulting or caused by or from the unlocking of the bootloader"
So if yo have a warranty issue that isn't affected by unlocking the bootloader you should be fine.
Foggy79 said:
Waiting for our great developers to unlock it.
Not a fan of the whole warranty thing via the official HTC unlock tool...
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So if yo have a warranty issue that isn't affected by unlocking the bootloader you should be fine.
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And who will decide if your problem comes or doesn't come from unlocking and doing stuff on it?
Thats my point, it's just to easy for a repair center to say "yup that is possibly caused by unlocking and moddifying your device".
It voids your warranty if they decide to do so, if they even slightly suspect the unlock/modding has anything to do with the failure.
It's your word against theirs...
Like I said, not in a hurry, the Devs will get it unlocked anyway, just a matter of time, and that way I don't have to worry about warranty.
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And who will decide if your problem comes or doesn't come from unlocking and doing stuff on it?
Thats my point, it's just to easy for a repair center to say "yup that is possibly caused by unlocking and moddifying your device".
It voids your warranty if they decide to do so, if they even slightly suspect the unlock/modding has anything to do with the failure.
It's your word against theirs...
Like I said, not in a hurry, the Devs will get it unlocked anyway, just a matter of time, and that way I don't have to worry about warranty.
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spot on with that mate. hence why i opened this thread cause you do not know what might be said hence why this is the only bad thing about the HOX that it does not come with an unlock bootloader
anyone had any news on how far through they are with unlocking the bootloader. I really want to get the battery fix installed but am also a little weary about the warranty thing. I got a feeling that if they know your bootloaders been unlocked theyll end up blaming that for the failure even if it wasnt due to it. Saying that my other tab has the htcdev site open so im currently back and fore about using the htcdev site.
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spot on with that mate. hence why i opened this thread cause you do not know what might be said hence why this is the only bad thing about the HOX that it does not come with an unlock bootloader
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Kinda understand why they want to lock it, and offer an unlock with certain warranty issues..
They need to cover themselves ofcourse, otherwise everyone with a bricked device (due to their own fault mostly) is sending back their device for a free repair
I'm happy they left backdoors (official and possible non-official) to unlock the bootloader, think if they want they could have just closed up everything to have it never unlocked again
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Appsdroid said:
anyone had any news on how far through they are with unlocking the bootloader. I really want to get the battery fix installed but am also a little weary about the warranty thing. I got a feeling that if they know your bootloaders been unlocked theyll end up blaming that for the failure even if it wasnt due to it. Saying that my other tab has the htcdev site open so im currently back and fore about using the htcdev site.
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If you can use your device without any major issues i'dd wait a bit. The device is only 2 weeks out and i'm sure ppl are on to it, we need to give them some time, no need to rush things.
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Kinda understand why they want to lock it, and offer an unlock with certain warranty issues..
They need to cover themselves ofcourse, otherwise everyone with a bricked device (due to their own fault mostly) is sending back their device for a free repair
I'm happy they left backdoors (official and possible non-official) to unlock the bootloader, think if they want they could have just closed up everything to have it never unlocked again
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true true. and yeah we kinda forget sometimes that this phone has only been out two weeks now. i love it specially i got my replacement and is grey or shall i say Gun Grey Metallic.. love saying that. And probs best to wait for the exploit. Kiinda similar to the chainfire app he has for the s2 now. thanks mate and stock anyway is running well for now...but i am getting itches to flash..so many sexy roms out there
I really want to root so I can lock Sense in memory but I am going to hold off until the screen banding issue is resolved. I am confident it will be fixed by an OTA but if it isn't I don't want to create any excuse not to honour the warranty.
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Chartist said:
I really want to root so I can lock Sense in memory but I am going to hold off until the screen banding issue is resolved. I am confident it will be fixed by an OTA but if it isn't I don't want to create any excuse not to honour the warranty.
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i want to root as well mate to get rid of all the bloatware. i mean even disabling stuff does not really give me confidence enough that some of the services are frozen and take up memory..anyway i can still can be patient and wait..love this phone
Guys, if you think your device so far got no hardware issues, It's time to unlock. Getting rid of the annoying menu button alone is a big reason enough to unlock.
Been switching ROMs already for a couple of days and it's fun, the excitement is high lol. Anyway, there is still no custom kernels yet for overclocking so you don't need to worry of frying your CPU. Customization and theming won't hurt your hardware.
So there, go for it, UNLOCK!
Btw, don't flame for my advice lol.
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Guys, if you think your device so far got no hardware issues, It's time to unlock. Getting rid of the annoying menu button alone is a big reason enough to unlock.
Been switching ROMs already for a couple of days and it's fun, the excitement is high lol. Anyway, there is still no custom kernels yet for overclocking so you don't need to worry of frying your CPU. Customization and theming won't hurt your hardware.
So there, go for it, UNLOCK!
Btw, don't flame for my advice lol.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
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might hold off for a little while longer. hopefully we shall see some AOKP roms
I would say unlock, your warranty will still cover hardware issues and well software issues, you can fix them yourself
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might hold off for a little while longer. hopefully we shall see some AOKP roms
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I see your predicament! it is a tough one.
Would love to see AOKP as well. Watched an interview with Roman tho and he didnt seem too interested in the One x for some reason and said there were no current plans to develop for it. Although, even if they dont support the One X officially, it will hopefully get ported at some point.
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I see your predicament! it is a tough one.
Would love to see AOKP as well. Watched an interview with Roman tho and he didnt seem too interested in the One x for some reason and said there were no current plans to develop for it. Although, even if they dont support the One X officially, it will hopefully get ported at some point.
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well we could only hope..i will be honest i kinda have a slight regret selling my s2 as the development for that handset is smoking hot at the moment. but regarding my HOX i am kinda itching to unlock but on the other hand voices tell me to wait for a few more days..i know development will be huge for this phone as it is the flagship. but there are few niggly things that are starting to annoy me and that might push me towards unlocking through HTC dev site
i mean stock as it is at the moment i am more than happy with..but like any phone this has some minor issues but hoping that the update we are waiting for will sort this for me
Well i recently recieved an upgrade with my provider and I opted for the M9. This is because for the last 4 years ive had samsung and although I havent a bad word to say for them, I just fancied a change. So here I am.
Quite a difference in the way you can obtain certain things like unlocking, rooting etc. To be honest, though it was a bit worrying at first, I soon managed to get things done and It sort of makes you feel like you're more involved with your phone. Rather than just letting a .zip do all the work or a full firmware file through odin do the business.
Ive only had it 2 days and managed to root, unlock and s-off, Flashed a new firmware and rom and very happy with it. I have noticed despite the camera being a higher pixel count it isnt quite as sharp as the samsung camera, still good though. The front camera is definately better.
Having only had it 2 days though i cant really comment on performance etc etc. I need it longer but i'm relatively happy with how its going.
I do have a couple of concerns. 1 being the temperature it reaches when flashing etc.My samsung used to feel very warm but obviously its more noticable with the HTC due to it being all metal and I guess thats good as it sucks all the heat into the shell and away from the cpu's.
Anyway, this was just to say hi, and that I hope to continue to enjoy my htc experience, its definately come on a lot since my last HTC many years ago (Wildfire S).
Any tips / tricks / must haves that I should know about?
Thanks and HI! =)
tomorio said:
Well i recently recieved an upgrade with my provider and I opted for the M9. This is because for the last 4 years ive had samsung and although I havent a bad word to say for them, I just fancied a change. So here I am.
Quite a difference in the way you can obtain certain things like unlocking, rooting etc. To be honest, though it was a bit worrying at first, I soon managed to get things done and It sort of makes you feel like you're more involved with your phone. Rather than just letting a .zip do all the work or a full firmware file through odin do the business.
Ive only had it 2 days and managed to root, unlock and s-off, Flashed a new firmware and rom and very happy with it. I have noticed despite the camera being a higher pixel count it isnt quite as sharp as the samsung camera, still good though. The front camera is definately better.
Having only had it 2 days though i cant really comment on performance etc etc. I need it longer but i'm relatively happy with how its going.
I do have a couple of concerns. 1 being the temperature it reaches when flashing etc.My samsung used to feel very warm but obviously its more noticable with the HTC due to it being all metal and I guess thats good as it sucks all the heat into the shell and away from the cpu's.
Anyway, this was just to say hi, and that I hope to continue to enjoy my htc experience, its definately come on a lot since my last HTC many years ago (Wildfire S).
Any tips / tricks / must haves that I should know about?
Thanks and HI! =)
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Hello. Welcome. I hope you enjoy your M9 experience.
Yeah, they heat up a little bit when flashing, but I think you're assumption on the metal body is correct.
I think the camera is not awesome in lower light situations. outside, it's fantastic. There's a thread on the camera in this forum you should check out, but some people who have used both the S6 and M9 say that the S6 is better in low light situations, but the M9 is better outside. You can probably get some tips in that that thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/pictures-m9-t3044267). A lot of people like shooting in manual mode with this phone and can produce some pretty nice results.
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Hello. Welcome. I hope you enjoy your M9 experience.
Yeah, they heat up a little bit when flashing, but I think you're assumption on the metal body is correct.
I think the camera is not awesome in lower light situations. outside, it's fantastic. There's a thread on the camera in this forum you should check out, but some people who have used both the S6 and M9 say that the S6 is better in low light situations, but the M9 is better outside. You can probably get some tips in that that thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/pictures-m9-t3044267). A lot of people like shooting in manual mode with this phone and can produce some pretty nice results.
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Excellent thank you. I'll take a look and see if I can get any tips for improving my pictures. When I was in store chosing my next phone they did mention that it isn't the best in low light, probably due to the smaller aperture but I use take most of my pictures outside or in decent lighting anyway so I suppose it's not an issue as such. I'll definately have a look at that thread though and see if using manual mode will help me out more.
Thanks.
edit - I do have a quick question about firmwares. I have just flashed the 1.40.401.x but also noticed their are some 2.xx.xx something. Which are newer and why the huge difference? lol sorry to ask what is probably a very nooby question.
tomorio said:
Excellent thank you. I'll take a look and see if I can get any tips for improving my pictures. When I was in store chosing my next phone they did mention that it isn't the best in low light, probably due to the smaller aperture but I use take most of my pictures outside or in decent lighting anyway so I suppose it's not an issue as such. I'll definately have a look at that thread though and see if using manual mode will help me out more.
Thanks.
edit - I do have a quick question about firmwares. I have just flashed the 1.40.401.x but also noticed their are some 2.xx.xx something. Which are newer and why the huge difference? lol sorry to ask what is probably a very nooby question.
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I find it takes pretty decent still life photos in low light, but not great snapshots of people/pets (things that move). I think on auto, the camera isn't aggressive enough in bumping ISO, so it has to use too slow a shutter speed to completely stop movement.
I think 1.40 was kind of a temporary release to quickly address some issues in 1.32 (camera and CPU management mostly)...I don't think it was ever officially released in the US. But 1.40 has issue of it's own, mainly that charging the phone can be extremely slow at times. I don't know how HTC comes up with firmware numbering, but I would guess that part of the big number jump has to do with the fact that 1.xx firmware was for Android 5.0.2 while the 2.7 firmware runs on Android 5.1. I flashed the 2.7 firmware last night and the 1.40 base rom that I use works fine with it so far...I can't say with certainty that your ROM will work with it though. FYI, I'm on InsertCoin.
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I find it takes pretty decent still life photos in low light, but not great snapshots of people/pets (things that move). I think on auto, the camera isn't aggressive enough in bumping ISO, so it has to use too slow a shutter speed to completely stop movement.
I think 1.40 was kind of a temporary release to quickly address some issues in 1.32 (camera and CPU management mostly)...I don't think it was ever officially released in the US. But 1.40 has issue of it's own, mainly that charging the phone can be extremely slow at times. I don't know how HTC comes up with firmware numbering, but I would guess that part of the big number jump has to do with the fact that 1.xx firmware was for Android 5.0.2 while the 2.7 firmware runs on Android 5.1. I flashed the 2.7 firmware last night and the 1.40 base rom that I use works fine with it so far...I can't say with certainty that your ROM will work with it though. FYI, I'm on InsertCoin.
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Ah I see. I just noticed that most of the roms out at the moment recommend using the 1.40 firmware which is why I flashed that one. I'm currently using Viper which seems good so far, only had it a day. As I was new to everything I thought it best to stick with what is suggested as unlike with my Galaxy s4 the flashing of firmwares and roms seems quite specific. I had noticed it is quite a slow charge process, but I tend to charge overnight if I can and make the phone last the full day so it's not that much of a downer, unless i've had a lot of usage and need a "quick boost" >< then its not so great lol
tomorio said:
Ah I see. I just noticed that most of the roms out at the moment recommend using the 1.40 firmware which is why I flashed that one. I'm currently using Viper which seems good so far, only had it a day. As I was new to everything I thought it best to stick with what is suggested as unlike with my Galaxy s4 the flashing of firmwares and roms seems quite specific. I had noticed it is quite a slow charge process, but I tend to charge overnight if I can and make the phone last the full day so it's not that much of a downer, unless i've had a lot of usage and need a "quick boost" >< then its not so great lol
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Many people have reported that rebooting temporarily fixes the slow charge issue.
MaximusHD is the only rom that uses the new firmware currently. I bet others will be updating soon. The Viper guys have been chatting about Viper 3.0 being released soon and I assume it will be 5.1 based.
Thats good. I'll keep checking any updates and see what happens.
I can't wait for a few more roms to be up and about. I'm used to the countless available for the S4 and forget that device is 2 years old now so there was plenty of time to get things going. I shall just have to be patient.
Thanks for all the help mate.
tomorio said:
Thats good. I'll keep checking any updates and see what happens.
I can't wait for a few more roms to be up and about. I'm used to the countless available for the S4 and forget that device is 2 years old now so there was plenty of time to get things going. I shall just have to be patient.
Thanks for all the help mate.
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Not a problem. Enjoy the device.
Not to hijack your thread tomorio, but how did you decide on which phone? I have the Galaxy S5 now, but I'm torn between HTC M8, M9, or LG G4. Pros and cons to all. My biggest thing is ease of root as I have a couple of frequent use apps that require it. Thanks in advance for any tips on how you decided!
~Vol
Vol4Ever said:
Not to hijack your thread tomorio, but how did you decide on which phone? I have the Galaxy S5 now, but I'm torn between HTC M8, M9, or LG G4. Pros and cons to all. My biggest thing is ease of root as I have a couple of frequent use apps that require it. Thanks in advance for any tips on how you decided!
~Vol
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Hijack away my friend.
I too was torn but between the S6, LG G4 and htc m9. I was leaning away from the S6 as I really fancied a change, however I think it will always have more options available to it (for custom roms etc) due to the larger fan base and it is much simpler to get to grips with for rooting etc.
the G4 my Partner already has and something about it when I used it I just didn't enjoy, and its nowhere near as pretty as the M9 lol. Try one out if you can just to see for yourself. Unfortunately I have no more experience of it than having a little play of her phone so unsure on the rooting processes etc but imagine it to be similar to the Samsung way.
The HTC M9 was a tough choice. Especially when I looked at how rooting etc is done (this is one of the first things i check with phones flash-a-holic you see lol). Anyway, once i'd read over all the advice given in this forum, the how to's etc and got a small amount of knowledge of the process of rooting using fastboot etc i pushed myself to make the choice. As far as user friendly goes, I think for simpler flashing the Sammy will always win again, as it's processes are far simpler (flashing via odin etc and all the files being ready to flash straight off the bat). However if you're keen for a change then I would recommend the M9. I've only had it a few days really but already i'm glad I did.
Just be sure to look through all the ways of rooting so that you get a better understanding of how its done. I think once the initial unlocking bootloader, rooting and flashing custom recovery is done it;s pretty simple after that. I've got to grips with it already.
One of the main benefits I found with the sammy phones was I was never worried about bricking because there were many different ways to get it back up and running. I dont know how that fares with the M9 but as long as you follow the instructions step by step and have backups available you should be ok.
Sorry for the wall of text, if you need anything else let me know.
Hope that helps.
- edit- also i may have touched on it in a previous post, but i think as far as customizing your phone goes and making it your own, I feel that HTC as a company are much more in tune with "our world" of people who like to change the stock features and put their own touch on things.
Walls of text don't bother me. I'd rather have too much information than not enough. It's going to be the M9 if we can work out the AT&T issues I mentioned in my other thread. I went to the store last night expecting a simple transaction like the bazillion other phone upgrades I've done over the years. Walked out steaming, to say the least. The worst part was the lady helping me majorly projected a "couldn't care less" attitude that is a major pet peeve of mine!
So I tried rooting my lg g4 (h811) the XDADEVELOPERS METHOD and i hard bricked it, i reported it stolen and got myself a new one, i still want to root my device but i dont want the same thing to happen again..so my question is, is there like a trusted websitw where i can pay so it roots my device? Please list the best ones, thank you.
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So I tried rooting my lg g4 (h811) the XDADEVELOPERS METHOD and i hard bricked it, i reported it stolen and got myself a new one, i still want to root my device but i dont want the same thing to happen again..so my question is, is there like a trusted websitw where i can pay so it roots my device? Please list the best ones, thank you.
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There are no other root methods and possibly won't be any more. Of I'm correct there's only a recovery for one variant and if it's not your model I honestly wouldn't risk it. There is OneClickRoot .com where you connect with a technician live online and they root it with that method remotely and its 40 bux I believe but, you have a 100% guaranteed if no success which they will succeed, you don't pay, and if something goes wrong they replace your phone. They have been around a few years and I see nothing but good comments about them and talked to several g4 owners who did it. I desperately want root on mine but I'm not attempting that delicate **** with my bad luck lol and there's not much dev for it cuz of the locked boot loader right now, hence no custom rims so I'm considering claiming mine lost ad forking 40 bux which is worth it for me
Through my ancient eyes comes the certainty of decay... LG G4 & L 70
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There are no other root methods and possibly won't be any more. Of I'm correct there's only a recovery for one variant and if it's not your model I honestly wouldn't risk it. There is OneClickRoot .com where you connect with a technician live online and they root it with that method remotely and its 40 bux I believe but, you have a 100% guaranteed if no success which they will succeed, you don't pay, and if something goes wrong they replace your phone. They have been around a few years and I see nothing but good comments about them and talked to several g4 owners who did it. I desperately want root on mine but I'm not attempting that delicate **** with my bad luck lol and there's not much dev for it cuz of the locked boot loader right now, hence no custom rims so I'm considering claiming mine lost ad forking 40 bux which is worth it for me
Through my ancient eyes comes the certainty of decay... LG G4 & L 70
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Thank you so much for replying back so quickly, i actually saw oneclickroot.com as an option, but i didnt know if it was a trusted website or if it was any good, i didnt see any BBB credentials and felt that it was just a website design to take your money, but now that you mention all of the above, im gonna speak with a technitian before i do anything, thanks for all your help and good luck rooting your device as well..
You have the T Mobile variant, why don't you just unlock the bootloader officially, install TWRP, the install SuperSU zip file and root that way?
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You have the T Mobile variant, why don't you just unlock the bootloader officially, install TWRP, the install SuperSU zip file and root that way?
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Because honestly, i have no idea how to do all that, i dont even know what any of those things mean, im new at all this and only reason i want to root my device is to upgrade roms and hack games, i think my best option is paying money so i can get it done, because obviously doing it by myself wasnt such a good idea..if you could explain and guide me through the process i could try it, i just dont want to make the same mistake and hard brick my device again..thanks..
I would go do A LOT of reading about EVERYTHING related to rooting and unlocking before going any further..
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So I tried rooting my lg g4 (h811) the XDADEVELOPERS METHOD and i hard bricked it, i reported it stolen and got myself a new one, i still want to root my device but i dont want the same thing to happen again..so my question is, is there like a trusted websitw where i can pay so it roots my device? Please list the best ones, thank you.
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I have gotten my friend g4 rooted with oneclickroot which he paid and they successfully rooted his device h811. I too have it as well and rooted myself
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Because honestly, i have no idea how to do all that, i dont even know what any of those things mean, im new at all this and only reason i want to root my device is to upgrade roms and hack games, i think my best option is paying money so i can get it done, because obviously doing it by myself wasnt such a good idea..if you could explain and guide me through the process i could try it, i just dont want to make the same mistake and hard brick my device again..thanks..
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Yes These guys are absolutely right you need to go do some serious research and completely forget rootin a g4 if your not a fly advanced user. I started when I found a lil Samsung Galaxy centura on the side of the road out walking one day and I got lucky it was a very simple root. Really what is absolutely crucial is that custom recovery which I learned the hard way, I still have a gpad 10.1 brand new in my drawer that won't go past the boot, fastboot, and stock recovery and I dont have a PC and I haven't had experience using a PC in many years lol but I got as far as possible without one and being able to flash a different roM depending on my mood and easily laugh at a brick or bootloop while stepping over it is a great feeling I recommend highly. But your not quite ready yet especially for a tricky ***** like the g4, Hell Im not ready for it nor can afford it lol I give that lil L70 utter hell though and learn every day… since you have an unlockable BL (soooo jealous lol jk) you have more options but trust me find an old phone and practice all you can first ..good luck and have fun expanding your mind man[emoji6] [emoji4]
Oh and if you need any help you can private message me and ilk do my best. If I can't answer something I know some guys who can
Oh yeah (again lol) it all may seem complicated at first but you hit a point where it will all just click and fall into place like flipping a switch and then be amazed that everything actually works the way it does, it's just getting to that threshold that is the tricky part
Through my ancient eyes comes the certainty of decay... LG G4 & L 70
From my experience, initially you may get confused about all terms like root, bootloader, recovery, 3 wipes, Supersu, etc but when you find a post teaching you how to root or install recovery, you need to make sure you download the correct image/file for your phone model! But most importantly you need to know how to rescue by yourself if anything go wrong first. DOWLOAD CORRECT KDZ AND IMG BEFOREHAND for pre-cautionary measure. Well known about the steps how to hard reset to restore to factory image.
All in all, I was not studied IT but rooting and installing recovery is a skill facilitating my phone experience! Have fun on it!!
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Yep all those big damn words lol they got me too at first. But yes there's so many phone models so similar with the slightest difference your never see but require completely different files ...just pay attention to every detail
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LABH811 said:
So I tried rooting my lg g4 (h811) the XDADEVELOPERS METHOD and i hard bricked it, i reported it stolen and got myself a new one, i still want to root my device but i dont want the same thing to happen again..so my question is, is there like a trusted websitw where i can pay so it roots my device? Please list the best ones, thank you.
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So you called in your carrier and pretended that your phone was stolen because you bricked it while trying to root it. That's awesome.
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The answer:XDA:laugh:
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The answer:XDA[emoji23]
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Lmao f..kin a right , should have asked the next best down the line huh
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LABH811 said:
Thank you so much for replying back so quickly, i actually saw oneclickroot.com as an option, but i didnt know if it was a trusted website or if it was any good, i didnt see any BBB credentials and felt that it was just a website design to take your money, but now that you mention all of the above, im gonna speak with a technitian before i do anything, thanks for all your help and good luck rooting your device as well..
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You are worried about a site with BBB credentials and you committed insurance fraud.
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You are worried about a site with BBB credentials and you committed insurance fraud.
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Should have told him to try out, [email protected]$$.com.
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I just got my Verizon (910v) note 4, and I want to unlock the bootloader, but it is running CQE1 as well as the may 2017 security patch, and I want to make sure it is safe to follow the downgrade and unlock.
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According to @DesertRatBiggs it is possible to downgrade and unlock your bootloader on CQE1. here is a link to the thread.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...wngrade-mm-t3573012/post73344263#post73344263
Me, too. I'm very curious to know if this stock baseband has been unlocked ... or if we (and the countless others in our specific situation) will simply never be able to fully unleash these powerful Note 4 Beasts like we'd like. (I'd sure pay some cash for the privilege...)
ibcdub said:
Me, too. I'm very curious to know if this stock baseband has been unlocked ... or if we (and the countless others in our specific situation) will simply never be able to fully unleash these powerful Note 4 Beasts like we'd like. (I'd sure pay some cash for the privilege...)
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If I had any money I could pay I would be more than willing to do so, unfortunately I could not afford it right now.
In my current situation my screen gets very hot(not sure if it is supposed to) and so I would really like to flash a Note 7 port so I could scale down my resolution to 1080p to see if that helps with the heat. I know no one asked I just figured that if I made my situation known maybe someone could/would help me/us out.
BTW I got mine second hand, but it is in fantastic shape. Also the indicator under the battery show no signs of water damage. I say this because I know water damage can definitely cause heat problems
Is there anyone that knows anything that could help us?
In the general section it looks as though it has already been confirmed as doable... check this link and if it helps give me a thanks.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...ctory-binary-successful-downgrade-mm-t3573012
Thank you very much I will check it out!
But I didn't see anything about cqe1
Does anyone know?
I just realized I misspoke in my last comment. I want to know if unlocking your bootloader is safe on cqe1. please guys are really need to know.
As it turns out...YES! can downgrade and unlock you bootloader safely. At least as far as I understand, i have not yet tried it BUT in the thread which i have linked in the OP @DesertRatBiggs was kind enough to confirm that it can indeed be done. I will try it tonight and give you my results. I encourage anyone who benefits from @DesertRatBiggs information to give him thanks.
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I just realized I misspoke in my last comment. I want to know if unlocking your bootloader is safe on cqe1. please guys are really need to know.
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No but you can downgrade to bpa1 and run the gauntlet