Simply put, should I upgrade to Android 5.0/Lollipop when it comes out? Why or why not? I'm one of those who are awaiting root for the Retail version of this phone. Would updating jepardize my chances of getting root (if they aren't difficult or impossible already)?
if you are interested in root it would be advised not to take the lollipop update. The devs that have been working on root have been working with the current build, so once lollipop is released they will basically have to start over from square one to root lollipop because of the vast differences.
Now that is not saying if you take the lollipop update that you will not be able to root. i would just bet that root will be available for kk first and lollipop later, if at all.
plus, you can always update later but that may not be true for going back.
Chances are if you do you will be waiting for root longer. If root means anything to you do not update. You can always get the updated versions later.
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scarygood536 said:
Chances are if you do you will be waiting for root longer. If root means anything to you do not update. You can always get the updated versions later.
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I agree 100% not just because of root but signal also. When 5.0 comes it might your signal around the Note is at the head of the game know. Let the other guys try it out first and make sure its good.
If it fixes the SD card issue with writability and third party apps I'm good with it and can wait for 5.0 to get rooted if it ever does.
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If one of us happens to get the update, and want to keep root....what do you want us to do with the update?
Don't install it. I'm not sure how to do that with an Android device.
However if it does get installed you will lose root. It could also cause some problems if it gets pushed to your phone.
The devs will have a rooted version of the rom before they will have a root method for the rom.
I think it is safe to say, if you want to keep Root, ignore the update prompt, and wait for the developers here to make rooted versions of the ROM.
The original firmware was rooted before the phone came out. (I don't know how long it took developers to actually Root the phone, since I don't know how long they had the developers release in their hands).
When the 1.47 OTA came out, it broke root, and became a mad scramble to try to re-root the phone. If I remember right, it took a couple weeks to find the workaround that would allow root.
It is a good bet that the new release WILL break root again, and there is no telling how long it will be before it can be rooted again, if ever.
is this a serious question? most updates will remove all hacked/homebrew stuff been hapning since the begining of time.......(i.e. PSP, Nintendo Wii, iPhone/touch......)just dont update...take this stuff to yahoo answers.
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If one of us happens to get the update, and want to keep root....what do you want us to do with the update?
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Update lose root. Period. Just wait.
ohh geez, be prepared for all of the topics like "just updated to sprints official froyo update and lost root can i root it back?" my gawd its gonna get annoying
i guess this is a noob question, but how long does it take to get a rooted stock rome of this 2.2? i would assume not too long correct?
usually same day.. its all about patience which there is little of.. i can guarantee you will have a stock rooted rom by this weeks end
By the question you can tell that i'm rather inexperienced at this, but a buddy of mine(who has a Droid on VZW) and i were debating whether or not doing an OTA update after you root would cause you to loose your ability to root forever.
I guess it's different on both devices, but he contends that he could unroot his droid, which is running a custom 2.2 ROM, install an OTA update, decide he doesn't like it, then just go back to a 2.1 RUU from VZW or Motorola, and then re-root.
Everything i have read here about the EVO indicates that if i am already rooted, and i accept an OTA update, then i will never be able to root again. Does never, really mean never? Or is it just mean that i won't be able to root using the current methods to root the phone?
What if i had never rooted and then accepted the OTA 2.2 from sprint that may be coming this week, would i then be able to root?
What exactly does the update do to remove the ability to get /root access to the phone? Something with the bootloader, HBOOT, or what?
Thanks for the information. Hopefully, this will settle this question for my friend and I.
Chris
OTA updates typically break any existing root methods, and disable any current root access.
Some OTA's also update the phone in a manner which prevents older official roms (that have working roots) from being reinstalled.
At that point, you have an updated rom with known roots removed, that can't be rolled back, so the only option is to wait until another root exploit is found and released. Which may or may not happen depending on the device and whoever is working on it.
Hope that helps.
You can take and accept as many updates as you want....you just have to modify that update by replacing the new hboot with the engineering one.....that way you can freely flash zip files
HTC is tricksy and they dont let you roll back after the OTA. Motorolla may not have this so your friend may in fact be able to roll back to 2.1 (however he may be misinformed as well).
To root basically they find a bug to exploit that allows us to gain access as a root user. when the OTA updates come out 99% of the time they will fix this bug. HTCat least blocks roll backs so now you are on a new version of the software that you can not go backwards and the bug to root is no longer there.
While there are normally other bugs that can be exploited to get root it is possible that there isnt one or that if there is no one can find it. if they cant find it then it could remove your ability to root permanently.
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You can take and accept as many updates as you want....you just have to modify that update by replacing the new hboot with the engineering one.....that way you can freely flash zip files
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while true accepting an OTA will not give you the chance to do this for most.
ok, that explains things a little better. thanks.
I'm new to all of this as well. My EVO has already been updated OTA by a Sprint employee while I was purchasing the phone. From what I've read it looks like I'm SOL until someone cracks 2.2. One quick question though... How long did it take people to be able to root the first software on the EVO's?
Yesterday I received a message from Tmobile that there is a new software update for my phone. I was at work and did not want to bother with it so I tried to say not to the update and the only option is to postpone for a maximum of 1 day. To get out of the message I selected the home key. I keep getting the reminder every 4 hours and the message will not go away from notifications drop down screen.
Tmobile seems very eager to push this update out, I rooted my phone about a month ago so I could use the tethering feature when I'm on call without the extra expense, also used Titanium to freeze the bloatware apps as well. Will this software update affect or undo my root access? Does anyone know if the update is good or bad?
Thank you in advance for your help.
Yes you will lose root but it can be rooted easily using the same method. This question has been answered over and over try searching a bit.
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Thank you for the information I did see threads on the subject but they were on older software updates.I did not run across one that talked about this latest update, I did not know if there was something different or if the the new update made it difficult to re-root. Some updates may only be beneficial to Tmobile and not the end user. Does anyone have the specifics on the update? Pros and Cons?
I'd like to know if the update is worth it as well.
My phone is currently rooted but I was not the one who did it so I'm afraid to lose root because I wouldn't know how to re-root it.
Is there a way to update without losing root?
I went ahead and updated my phone and it did not undo root. It is a software update that will allow u to upgrade to ICS.
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I went ahead and updated my phone and it did not undo root. It is a software update that will allow u to upgrade to ICS.
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You sure about that? If updating to the UVLDE 2.3.6 GB via OTA, I am pretty sure you lost root. You probably still have the super user app installed, but that in and of itself does not ensure root. Try using a app that requires root access such as Titanium Backup.
I just got my 2nd Note 2 after exchanging before 14 days was up for a better price. I rooted my 1st and had no issues Was using Jelly Bomb. My question is does it matter whether or not you update before you root. I've seen a few forums people were having issues when flashing certain ROMS after the update. Just wanted to know if its better to stay on the original update and root or update and root after. Advantages or disadvantages? I used a all in 1 toolkit before.
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I just got my 2nd Note 2 after exchanging before 14 days was up for a better price. I rooted my 1st and had no issues Was using Jelly Bomb. My question is does it matter whether or not you update before you root. I've seen a few forums people were having issues when flashing certain ROMS after the update. Just wanted to know if its better to stay on the original update and root or update and root after. Advantages or disadvantages? I used a all in 1 toolkit before.
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if you are just rooting without changing roms you should wait for the update then root but if you are going to change roms then it does not matter as the android version will be depending on the rom you will be using.
on the other hand if you can't wait to root then root away then unroot when an update is released and then root again, technically this should work but lets wait for the guru's say .
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if you are just rooting without changing roms you should wait for the update then root but if you are going to change roms then it does not matter as the android version will be depending on the rom you will be using.
on the other hand if you can't wait to root then root away then unroot when an update is released and then root again, technically this should work but lets wait for the guru's say .
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Thanks for the advice. I did notice how easy it was to root and unroot when I had to take my phone back. I just wasnt sure if people had been having issues on LK8 or whatever I keep seeing all over the forum or what the difference. I think I'll wait to update and will just root as is since I didnt have much trouble on the older firmware before
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Thanks for the advice. I did notice how easy it was to root and unroot when I had to take my phone back. I just wasnt sure if people had been having issues on LK8 or whatever I keep seeing all over the forum or what the difference. I think I'll wait to update and will just root as is since I didnt have much trouble on the older firmware before
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I would stay on ljc and wait for an official update of lk8. I updated and it worked fine until I wanted to go back to an ljc rom. Thanks to garwynn and his brilliance I can now go back to ljc roms without the chameleon error.
Has anyone done the OTA update from verizon?
I expect that I will lose root, but can I get it back the same way I did with 10B?
Dont do it.
I got my G3 about 4 days ago, and i immediately updated it. I think i found a way to flash back to 10b so i can root. As of now, i am unable to root with stomproot, ioroot, and purpledrake (or whatever its called). I have no idea what would happen if a rooted g3 with 10b upgraded to 11c.
Maybe towel root would work
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Towel root didn't work for 10b
blindguyinanorgy said:
Has anyone done the OTA update from verizon?
I expect that I will lose root, but can I get it back the same way I did with 10B?
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blindguyinanorgy said:
Towel root didn't work for 10b
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Please refer to your Verizon G3 forums - http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-lg-g3/general. There are several threads there that talk about the OTA update, why it is not good to take OTA updates, and luckily for you a method for getting back to 10b.
Consider yourself lucky. There is no guarantee that you will be able to downgrade after taking an OTA update. Blindly taking updates is a great way to loose root and bump in the future.
Almost every thread that shows you how to root and bump tells you to not take updates, c'mon guys they are telling you to protect your device.
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Please refer to your Verizon G3 forums - http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-lg-g3/general. There are several threads there that talk about the OTA update, why it is not good to take OTA updates, and luckily for you a method for getting back to 10b.
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I didn't think there was a verizon thread last time i looked (months ago). Someone please move this thread.
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Consider yourself lucky. There is no guarantee that you will be able to downgrade after taking an OTA update. Blindly taking updates is a great way to loose root and bump in the future.
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Not lucky, I know to ask first, hence this thread.
I didnt realize how for the community has come on custom flashing since I got my phone and rooted it. Definitely need to spend some time seeing what we got.
I did the update last night. I can confirm that the update did not remove my root and in fact the update only was to make the phone run more smoothly.
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I did the update last night. I can confirm that the update did not remove my root and in fact the update only was to make the phone run more smoothly.
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It didn't remove root, but it is currently unrootable. This means that if you should loose root somehow, you will not be able to get it back. I HIGHLY suggest you go to the Verizon G3 forum and read all the threads there. You can get all the benefits of the update without loosing the root method via the methods there.
I don't know how many times this has been said, but apparently there are still a ton of dumb people out there.......
NEVER TAKE AN OTA UPDATE IF YOU LIKE BEING ROOTED OR IF YOU EXPECT TO RETAIN THE ABILITY TO BUMP
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It didn't remove root, but it is currently unrootable. This means that if you should loose root somehow, you will not be able to get it back. I HIGHLY suggest you go to the Verizon G3 forum and read all the threads there. You can get all the benefits of the update without loosing the root method via the methods there.
I don't know how many times this has been said, but apparently there are still a ton of dumb people out there.......
NEVER TAKE AN OTA UPDATE IF YOU LIKE BEING ROOTED OR IF YOU EXPECT TO RETAIN THE ABILITY TO BUMP
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Well luckily i still had root before the update.