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So, unfortunately, it looks as if live tiles for 3rd party apps are too difficult and expensive
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=tho...ons-and-live-tiles-anywhere-in-the-cloud&5669
It's a pity, this was the one of the things that have made me consider a WP7 - I guess I'll just have to go to Android...
That isn't good for either the customer or 3rd party developers.
Hopefully M$ will change how the live tiles work as otherwise they will loose a big selling feature.
I'm not repeating myself... so look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8768892&postcount=31
I think the statement in quoted from iridium21 link is not exactly correct. There is scheduled notifications type, that can update Live Tiles from local resources without the requirement of web service. It is a matter of dev implementation, not a WP7 flaw.
Edit: After some investigation I've discovered that actually Microsoft does not allow using local resource for changing the Tile through a tile schedule. So it’s true: no live tiles without web service.
To confirm , even official apps don't have live tiles. http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/...&utm_campaign=Feed:+pocketnow+(pocketnow.com)
Without the live tiles, the whole point of WM7 is lost, in my opinion.
I was considering a Dell Venue Pro, but I think it's going to be a HTC Desire HD now...
I believe that this will come in a future update.
Hopefully I'm right.
I don't get it. Push notifications require server infrastructure. It was known from the moment Apple introduced them. The server has to know where to push what. This is also not news. It doesn't need to know any more details about you than needed to notify Microsoft servers to push it to your device, which is nothing personal, just your PN channel ID (token, or whatever it's called). If you want to get personalized data about, say, weather, you do have to store your preferences on the server. This is not a "security issue" in any way. Most importantly, this is not news. Why everybody is so upset about it now is beyond me.
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So, unfortunately, it looks as if live tiles for 3rd party apps are too difficult and expensive
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=tho...ons-and-live-tiles-anywhere-in-the-cloud&5669
It's a pity, this was the one of the things that have made me consider a WP7 - I guess I'll just have to go to Android...
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That's too funny when a member previously posted it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=815463 he was called a troll, and android fan boy
iridium21 said:
So, unfortunately, it looks as if live tiles for 3rd party apps are too difficult and expensive
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=tho...ons-and-live-tiles-anywhere-in-the-cloud&5669
It's a pity, this was the one of the things that have made me consider a WP7 - I guess I'll just have to go to Android...
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they are not difficult, but need server infrastructure. But just step back and think about it. The services from which you need notifications are cloud based services. They already have the foundations for infrastructure. Now they need to add support for push notifications. They will do it. but will take time. it will be difficult for simple stand alone apps.. but which simple stand alone app you think needs notifications?
Android is already on its way to become an OS that needs regular resets to kill services that pile up in the background. (Remember Windows Mobile) Android does not kill an app until its RAM is full. All new phones have 512 MB RAM. it takes quite a few programs to reach a point when Android starts killing services. Till then, it takes a huge toll on battery.
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Android is already on its way to become an OS that needs regular resets to kill services that pile up in the background. (Remember Windows Mobile) Android does not kill an app until its RAM is full. All new phones have 512 MB RAM. it takes quite a few programs to reach a point when Android starts killing services. Till then, it takes a huge toll on battery.
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No truth to any of that. But lets stay on topic though.
Push notifications are a better way for interacting with web services in terms of preserving battery than having a bunch of services that continuously poll servers in background. I think it's hard to argue otherwise. However, push notifications aren't a substitute for multitasking in general, or even local notifications. They are a substitute for one specific use case - alerting users when certain events happen outside the phone.
My question remains, however - why is everybody anxious about it now? What exactly happened between MIX, when all of this became public knowledge, and now?
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they are not difficult, but need server infrastructure. But just step back and think about it. The services from which you need notifications are cloud based services. They already have the foundations for infrastructure. Now they need to add support for push notifications. They will do it. but will take time. it will be difficult for simple stand alone apps.. but which simple stand alone app you think needs notifications?
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I guess the whole point is that standalone apps don't need push notifications but have to rely on them simply to update homescreen tiles, which is an obvious overkill. I have a couple of apps that use badge notifications on the iPhone currently. One is a Google RSS reader, another is the Read It Later app. They both connect to web services, it's very useful that they show information about unread items on the home screen, but none of them really needs their own server infrastructure. Well, they could use it, but don't have to.
I hear bad things about the battery life of WP7 phones... apparently the lack of multitaskung doesn't help at all... Android still provides better battery life, despite that lots of apps can poll and update widgets in the background.
Don't trust the marketing blabla. WP7 will only be a static grid of icons, just like iOS. The only OS that REALLY is "live" is Android.
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WP7 will only be a static grid of icons, just like iOS.
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That's simply wrong. WP7 still supports live tiles updatable through push notification, iOS - not. Still, Android would remain most feature rich platform with all advantages and disadvantages that comes with that.
The phone can also poll for updates on a scheduled basis (every hour, day, week, or month). They don't have to be push. This will work well for things like weather updates where you don't need instaneous info anyways.
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That's simply wrong. WP7 still supports live tiles updatable through push notification, iOS - not. Still, Android would remain most feature rich platform with all advantages and disadvantages that comes with that.
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I would ignore him. Mods already closed his other thread bashing WP7 and talking about how amazing Android is. It's clear he has an agenda and nothing of actual importance to say.
Live tile from weatherbug
http://www.wpcentral.com/weatherbug...feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wmexperts+(wpcentral)
Don't know if its Live like MS tiles though.
Push notifications equals bubbles like the iPhone.
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So, unfortunately, it looks as if live tiles for 3rd party apps are too difficult and expensive
http://www.theunwired.net/?item=tho...ons-and-live-tiles-anywhere-in-the-cloud&5669
It's a pity, this was the one of the things that have made me consider a WP7 - I guess I'll just have to go to Android...
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I think Microsoft need to make a web service available (perhaps through their Bing domain) that will allow developers to send their notifications to it, and then it could push those notifications onto the phone. Most developers will not have the budget to run their own webservices for notifications.
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That's simply wrong. WP7 still supports live tiles updatable through push notification, iOS - not. Still, Android would remain most feature rich platform with all advantages and disadvantages that comes with that.
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READ the first post cause you didn't understand anything.
FaceRepo just got a huge update!
FaceRepo now supports WatchMaker format. Along with this, faces are filterable by face format (Facer or WatchMaker) in addition to shape, and sortable by newest/oldest/most downloaded.
RSS feeds are now available for all filter conditions (face format, shape, features, tags, user, etc.). Old feed URLs still work, but will return Facer faces only, so as not to break backwards compatibility.
Upload is now available from mobile (as long as your device/browser supports it), so no more sending faces via email or DropBox to your PC to upload.
Lots of tweaks to the site layout - mainly cosmetic changes/fixes, but the site should look a little more polished overall.
Lots more big things in the works for future releases, so stay tuned. As always, any feedback is welcome.
Thanks, finally a repo for WatchMaker
It's been well over a year since MyColorScreen acquired Zooper, and Zooper's online presence is STILL a hideous mess. The official links at the Google Play store are broken, and even some of the reference links on this forum's sticky are dead. I can't even find an official blog post that isn't less than a year old. Zooper's documentation wasn't that good to begin with, and it looks like MyColorScreen has done absolutely nothing to improve it.
Here's my fear:
MyColorScreen is going to mothball Zooper so it won't compete with one of its future pet products (themer maybe). Zooper requires a huge time investment to use properly, and I don't want to lose that investment. I've been burned by this exact scenario with other successful apps.
PROVE ME WRONG, MYCOLORSCREEN... PLEASE! Get your support and reference material in one place and make it available. Communicate your plans for Zooper. If you're just "parking" the app until you figure out a business plan, then say so. We're on your side, so please don't screw us over.
Yeah.... You are so true.
But I have to add that they don't do anything to improve the App. Even their Promises regarding Zooper are just empty words. They promised to add multiple Timezone support, but nothing happens.... Still only possible for text....
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It's been well over a year since MyColorScreen acquired Zooper, and Zooper's online presence is STILL a hideous mess. The official links at the Google Play store are broken, and even some of the reference links on this forum's sticky are dead. I can't even find an official blog post that isn't less than a year old. Zooper's documentation wasn't that good to begin with, and it looks like MyColorScreen has done absolutely nothing to improve it.
Here's my fear:
MyColorScreen is going to mothball Zooper so it won't compete with one of its future pet products (themer maybe). Zooper requires a huge time investment to use properly, and I don't want to lose that investment. I've been burned by this exact scenario with other successful apps.
PROVE ME WRONG, MYCOLORSCREEN... PLEASE! Get your support and reference material in one place and make it available. Communicate your plans for Zooper. If you're just "parking" the app until you figure out a business plan, then say so. We're on your side, so please don't screw us over.
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Well, they have apparently fixed their broken links. But their web presence is still awkward. Every link at the Play store points you to a support page which has a feedback forum, yet doesn't even mention these XDA forums. So is XDA still relevant? And one of the top hits from a google search takes you to the old zooper.org page which indeed directs you to these XDA forums. But a few people are still trying to post on the defunct zooper.org archives!
So as far as I can tell, there are 3 separate zooper forums that are unaware of each other. It's this kind of disjointed mess that makes me worry about the future of the product line.
I wouldn't of upgraded to pro had I known it was going to be abandonware myself. It was the first, and one of the few, apps I've upgraded to pro. Even if an update was months away it would be nice to know there's something going on.
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I wouldn't of upgraded to pro had I known it was going to be abandonware myself. It was the first, and one of the few, apps I've upgraded to pro. Even if an update was months away it would be nice to know there's something going on.
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Update just released. So far it looks to be just a ui update but at least its something.
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Update just released. So far it looks to be just a ui update but at least its something.
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The Google Play store is showing version 2.58 (Nov 2014) as the latest. Do you know of something more recent?
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The Google Play store is showing version 2.58 (Nov 2014) as the latest. Do you know of something more recent?
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Sorry, it must be a beta update. You can join the beta google+ group to get access. As far as I can tell its just a UI update nothing more.
Well it's something I guess. I never digged too deep and didn't even know someone bought this out a while back or whatever. Damn shame there's not more work being done though. I'm not on zooper beta but not even sure what ui would need updated unless there's finally support for better weather location things.
I guess I'll join the bandwagon on hoping work that matters to most of us is done .... eg variables and what not. I would even pay 4.99 or 5.99 for a diff version that had 3 updates a year to stuff that's fun to mess with. I must of spent the first 2 months straight on my galaxy playing with zooper... like hours on end
Thanks for the info jr67
Zooper is awesome!
While I agree that updates are great and there are things that would be nice to have added, I think the app is pretty awesome as is. I rarely feel like I run out of opportunities for new ways to customize my phone and tablet because it lends itself to so many possibilities. Now if they would only update their app Media Utilities to work correctly with Android Lollipop (Zooper can't display cover art and music information at the same time with Lollipop), I'd be all smiles!!
MyColorScreen kinda died
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but according to my sources, MyColorScreen is dead and it's likely that they won't be coming back. I talked to a former MyColorScreen employee, about how to get a human response from MyColorScreen, and here was the interaction (Via Twitter)
@MarcoJHB I need a little help. How can I get in contact with mycolorscreen and get a human response?"
"@burner_studios sad to say but MCS is pretty much dead. Anything I can help with though?"
@MarcoJHB not really, but thanks for the info!"
Here is a link to the conversation.
https://twitter.com/burner_studios/status/631000884072349696
Why do I believe this?
1. MyColorScreen's last tweet was "All good things must come to an end. Follow @MarcoJHB to stay updated with his new ventures! https://youtu.be/kxFyq1I-g-I #dontstopcustomizing" and proves that the source is trustworthy.
2. The last update to Zooper Widget (free and pro) was 11/3/2015, Media Utilities was last updated 18/12/15, and Themer, MyColorScreen's main product, is no longer avalible on the Play Store.
3. The Zooper Widget beta community has a very old icon
4. The official MyColorScreen community had it's last "Screen of the day" post 19/3/2015.
5. The last "Question of the day" post in the aforementioned community was 19/3/2014.
6. Again with the aforementioned community, Marcos Agas is still a co-owner, despite him no longer being employed with MyColorScreen.
7. Again with the MyColorScreen Google+ community, there is essentially no moderation whatsoever.
8. MyColorScreen CEO Ashvin Dhingra last posted on Google+ 30/4/2014.
9. Ashvin's LinkedIn profile says "Co-Founder & CEO at Themer by MyColorScreen (acquired by IAC)"
10. On the Zooper Widget uservoice website, under "Report a Problem" you will find an item with 111 votes (As of this post) named "Editing interface HUGE lag" which is a bug that appears to be occurring on devices primarily running lollipop. It was reported on 5/5/2015, however I can testify that this has occurred on devices running 4.4 as early as 2014.
Based on that, I'd say that the information is fairly trustworthy.
So I suppose, the real question is, "What is OUR future with Zooper Widget?"
Are we going to decompile and update it ourselves, just like with steam?
Are we going to look for a new design tool to use?
Are we all just going to switch to using KLWP?
because I may know what the future of Zooper Widget is from the perspective of MyColorScreen, but we have great developers in this community that could keep the app going now that MCS stopped doing so.
That sad news, I dont like KWLP I stay with Zooper Widget I made like 200+ widgets. I hope someone acquire ZW and gonna develop it further
I tried kwlp but I hate ui and everything is unorganized.. In Zooper is nice and simple organised. What alternatives do we have? Can't find anything that match zooper customization and easy to use.
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I'm not a fan of KLWP. Looks like the people who did Themer and Zooper just moved on to another app and abandoned the others.
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Has anybody tried Make Your Own Clock Widget? It seems to do a lot more than just clocks
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That sad news, I dont like KWLP I stay with Zooper Widget I made like 200+ widgets. I hope someone acquire ZW and gonna develop it further
I tried kwlp but I hate ui and everything is unorganized.. In Zooper is nice and simple organised. What alternatives do we have? Can't find anything that match zooper customization and easy to use.
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I completely agree with you on that front. I already have invested so much into zooper widget development that I'm willing to push it to, and far past its limits. Although I don't expect IAC to let someone else acquire zooper widget until the profits from it begin to decrease.
But yeah zooper hasn't hit the end of its lifespan just yet. In the end it's developers that decide when that happens.
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What other widget maker I can recommend is Buzz Widget. Easy to use some functions are really cool wish to have some in Zooper Widget: bigger preview, tap hold and move object with your finger (optional), filter widgets by show only clocks, weather widgets, music widgets etc only disadvantage is that to share download stuff from other people it's recommend to download Buzz Launcher and idk if it works with Tasker and no support with Kolorette . Worth trying.
Maybe UCCW lots of skins similar to Zooper
That's not fair, Themer got update and Zooper Widget nothing since March
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Another update, KWGT by the team of KLWP is now in development.
Yeah... Bye bye zooper.
Further information found here: https://plus.google.com/+FrankMonzas/posts/9PpjCce44PL
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firebirdfilms said:
Another update, KWGT by the team of KLWP is now in development.
Yeah... Bye bye zooper.
Further information found here: https://plus.google.com/+FrankMonzas/posts/9PpjCce44PL
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That's the death blow to Zooper. They walked away from Themer and Zooper do they really think that they won't walk away from this?
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KLWP and KWGT are developed by "Kustom industries" hailing from Italy. MCS is from California, and has had no known interaction with kustom industries. Also KI only has 4 apps they are working on including pro keys, and KWGT reuses a lot of code from KLWP. So I'm not really worried.
Yet.
Just found this thread, so, for anyone trying to understand what's the difference between KWGT and the other widgets around i have filled up a list of Kustom advantages over Zooper / UCCW on the main thread, i will list them here just for clarity:
How is KWGT better than Zooper, Buzz, Mycw or UCCW??
You have Komponents which are like widgets inside widgets or reusable items inside the editor. So for example you can create a clock and redistribute it as a module for KWGT, users will just add your clock and change the options you expose (like colors and font), there are many examples online on the store already or you can check the dedicated thread above
You can download content directly from HTTP, so you can have a Google Map with the city you are in directly in the widget background if you want, or use Street View, or you can have a Komponent that does that for you like this, you can add it with one click
You have global variables, so you can set a color once and then use it whenever you like, so, when you want to change it you just change the global and it will change the color everywhere in one click, this allows users of your theme to change color easily
You can create touch actions that will hide / show elements based on touch, so you can show full weather data when someone clicks on a weather icon and then hide it automatically after X seconds
You have containers, so you can group items inside an object, move them together, apply effects and rotation to the entire group
You have built in music support, so music will work without any additional tool, no music utilities needed, it just works
You have more effects, like long shadows, morphable text, blur images and so on
You can extract colors from images, cover art or anything downloaded from the internet (like kolorette does, but builtin)
You can use formulas on any property you like, no need to use "advanced parameters", you just turn a property into a formula and then you can do anything you like
You have full support for different location, so you can apply a location to any group and make a world clock in seconds, locations are then easily accessible from the settings
You have much more functions, you can download text from HTTP, use regular expressions, parse RSS, XML and JSON, do math with dates, create timers
Much better resizing, the widget will resize automatically and touch will always work on any module regardless of the orientation
A wizard to create APK skins in seconds without any Android development knowledge or additional tool except the JDK
Last but not least from my measurement battery usage difference between KWGT and the others is like 1/100th (not kidding, you can try yourself with a good battery monitor like better battery stats plus, Kustom has 2 processes so you can clearly see the difference between the editor and the real widget/wallpaper service)
@Katt50 / @ewa12321 what's wrong with KWGT UI? anything i can improve? BTW i have absolutely no intention of stopping the development anytime soon, it might slow down at a certain point (i am now releasing a new version every 3 weeks because i have a HUGE todo list) but i will always try to do my best to add new stuff, so if you have any suggestion glad to help
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@Katt50 / @ewa12321 what's wrong with KWGT UI? anything i can improve? BTW i have absolutely no intention of stopping the development anytime soon, it might slow down at a certain point (i am now releasing a new version every 3 weeks because i have a HUGE todo list) but i will always try to do my best to add new stuff, so if you have any suggestion glad to help
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Here's my problem...
Most of the people involved were the same people that abandoned Themer. And abandoned Zooper. I was active in the Themer G+ Community and see many names that were active there
How do I know that in a year that you decide to move on to a different app and just abandoned KWLP? Personally, I have not played around with KWLP much but I didn't find it easy to use for a beginner at all.
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I currently have a SM2 and enjoy a very useful watchface that I was able to completely customize with a huge amount of info produced by the very capable NeonDigit app that was developed by a member on here, it has about 10 individual data
Time/date
Time (other Time zone)
weather
Temp
exchange rate
battery for watch
battery for phone
calls
I also have an app that allows me to control powerAmp player (on the phone) remotely from the watch
All great and very useful
So I was considering buying a SM3 and have a few questions
1. In terms of apps etc is it all mostly Android wear and not SM3 specific
2. Are there custom watch faces like what I mentioned above that I can use on SW3
I just want to make sure that I can do mostly what I do now on SW2 on SW3 - is this all possible ?
I was using Facer time ago, it is awesome and there are a lot of watchfaces that allows you to do this
and about poweramp.. well i think android wear can control any music player, i'm using it to control play music
search for facerepo in google, there are a lot of watch faces
Thanks for the info and quick reply, will keep an eye out for a good deal on SW3
My SW2 is getting a bit old now and the charge/usb cover is long gone - can't find anywhere for a replacement, I think soon enough there is going to be water gets in there forcing me to change anyway lol
Well, the SW3 won't be getting AW2 officially, and the work-in-progress port don't look too promising. So it will eventually be out of date. Just keep that in mind when buying one in 2017.
Gattic 0.32 Beta
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Gattic is an event scheduling application that organizes and centralizes all of your daily tasks. Our unique organizational schema of Who, What, When, Where, Why paired with the chat allows for a simple yet efficient way for managing your tasks. We are looking for both people who want to start organizing their lives and people who are organized already but just can't find the right app. We come out with updates once or twice a month. We will be having some big updates so stay tuned!
What's New?
Group Functionality - This is our first update with group functionality. We would like feedback as we integrate groups with events over the course of the next month.
Friend Functionality - Text to invite is currently disabled until iOS is out. Besides that, what functionality would you want to make adding friends easier?
Event Feed & Scrollbar Heat Map - Are you a fan the Feed layout? Are the colors intuitive?
What can you do for us?
Use the feedback form! We want to hear what you have to say. We have a ton of features on our of To-Do list and want to put your needs at the top to give you the best experience we can.
Android Download
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Will be able to post real links in 9 more updates...lol
Unless there are any kind moderators out there