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Hey everyone
As seen on this review: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review (not sure if it is the final unit) the galaxy nexus is great in terms of both hardware and software but there are three reasons still persisting as to why I shouldn't buy the Galaxy Nexus
1.) The hardware could get obsoleted fairly quickly.
Although (as the review states) the phone is blazing fast, the hardware is only considered great in relation to other phones. (E.g. the Nexus One had the best hardware when compared to the G1 but when the Atrix was announced, it became fairly obsoleted) This could be a problem because right now the phone might have excellent hardware (and software), in a few months when CES 2012 comes along it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones which will greatly surpass the speed of our current-day phones (e.g. http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/) I know that nothing can substitute for pure vanilla android, the most recent updates from Google and huge developer base but the fact that technological advancements are only becoming more and more prominent and that within a year or so with the introduction of new apps and games, I feel that one year from now, the galaxy nexus might be like the G1 of today. (If anyone has any contradictory reasons, please state them as I really want to purchase a Galaxy Nexus and get rid of my Motorola Milestone (international version of OG droid)
2.) The battery might not suffice for a full day's use.
The only way I can consider my motorola milestone as a viable quality smartphone is if I overclock it to 1GHz (from 550mhz) and apply various tweaks which in turn only let me use the device for 5-7 hours max. If this is the case wit h the Galaxy Nexus, I probably won't want to buy it as I use my phone extensively and I don't want the hassle of charging every night (or at least every 5-7 hours)
3.) This one is not a huge issue for me but it may be in the future. With the gaming market actively expanding in terms of smartphones, with the way-obsoleted GPU that this phone packs, I fear that I may not be able to play a lot of games in the future.
most 'reviewers' are probably not charging the battery when they receive the phone, instead opting to insert the battery right away after opening the box and starting up the phone without charging.
this leads to inconclusive reviews regarding the battery life.
just a thought.
oscillik said:
most 'reviewers' are probably not charging the battery when they receive the phone, instead opting to insert the battery right away after opening the box and starting up the phone without charging.
this leads to inconclusive reviews regarding the battery life.
just a thought.
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You're right. As stated in the review, they haven't tested the battery extensively, and they said they would update the review with the new battery findings in the future
1) what do you mean could get obsolete?
it is already obsolete except for the 720 HD screen LOL
2) you might be right about that, we'll see how many hour this 1750 mAh battery can pull
3) you also forgot to mention about the lack of space for the ever increasing storage space required to play a game
mohitrocks said:
Hey everyone
As seen on this review: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review (not sure if it is the final unit) the galaxy nexus is great in terms of both hardware and software but there are three reasons still persisting as to why I shouldn't buy the Galaxy Nexus
1.) The hardware could get obsoleted fairly quickly.
Although (as the review states) the phone is blazing fast, the hardware is only considered great in relation to other phones. (E.g. the Nexus One had the best hardware when compared to the G1 but when the Atrix was announced, it became fairly obsoleted) This could be a problem because right now the phone might have excellent hardware (and software), in a few months when CES 2012 comes along it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones which will greatly surpass the speed of our current-day phones (e.g. http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/) I know that nothing can substitute for pure vanilla android, the most recent updates from Google and huge developer base but the fact that technological advancements are only becoming more and more prominent and that within a year or so with the introduction of new apps and games, I feel that one year from now, the galaxy nexus might be like the G1 of today. (If anyone has any contradictory reasons, please state them as I really want to purchase a Galaxy Nexus and get rid of my Motorola Milestone (international version of OG droid)
2.) The battery might not suffice for a full day's use.
The only way I can consider my motorola milestone as a viable quality smartphone is if I overclock it to 1GHz (from 550mhz) and apply various tweaks which in turn only let me use the device for 5-7 hours max. If this is the case wit h the Galaxy Nexus, I probably won't want to buy it as I use my phone extensively and I don't want the hassle of charging every night (or at least every 5-7 hours)
3.) This one is not a huge issue for me but it may be in the future. With the gaming market actively expanding in terms of smartphones, with the way-obsoleted GPU that this phone packs, I fear that I may not be able to play a lot of games in the future.
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Every phone will be outdated in a year....If thats a big deciding factor u may never get a phone.
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I have to confirm what they said about the battery life. I charged the phone up fully before even turning it on and with heavy use (you know how it is the first day you get a new phone) I got around 7 hours out of it. With normal usage I can imagine it lasting a full work day but if you are a heavy user you probably want to look into an external or expanded battery.
As for gaming, from my tests some games really don't run very well, although it might be partly due to them not being optimised for the Nexus hardware or ICS.
To be honest though with any modern smartphones 6-8 hours is pretty much what you can expect with heavy use. I doubt you will find anything much better. If gaming is important I suggest you hold off getting a Galaxy Nexus though. Right now it's not looking too good.
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Chrono_Tata said:
To be honest though with any modern smartphones 6-8 hours is pretty much what you can expect with heavy use. I doubt you will find anything much better. If gaming is important I suggest you hold off getting a Galaxy Nexus though. Right now it's not looking too good.
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probably it just need some optimization
but compared to the SGS2 T989 it sure it's lacking a bit there
the T989 on stock can easily pull 14 hr ~ 18 hr with moderate use, and if you are light use, then you can get over a day with that phone
see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1301609
Issues 1 and 2 apply to pretty much any smartphone you get nowadays. So STi489's statement is quite accurate.
I'll refrain from commenting on #3 because I don't do mobile gaming, so don't really know/care a lot about modern phone GPUs.
1. Every phone is obsolete 3-6 months after its made as technology is always advancing. Its similar to buying a pc if you need to buy one you get the best you can afford at that time. If you want something thats going to be future proof then you will never get anything as its just not possible. You can hold out for a quad core phone if you want but they wont start appearing for 3-6 months at least and then if you get one of those an 8-core phone maybe 9 months away from that so what are you going to do? The Galaxy Nexus can handle everything that will be thrown at it right now and it will always get the latest updates as soon as they are released by google which I think is more important than the speed of the phone.
2. As mentioned many times the battery tests are not thorough enough to be of any value but with any modern smartphone you arent going to get much more than 8-10 hours intensive use which should be more than enough to get you through a day without problems. If you think you are going to get a phone with an HD screen and dual or quad core processor to last 2-3 days you are dreaming. Leave it in standby most of the time and use it sparingly then yes but with moderate use a day is quite sufficient. You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times.
3. Im pretty sure there wont be many games in the next year that require a quad core phone as they wont have much of a target market. Dual core phones will easily be able to handle any game thrown at it for the foreseable future and it can easily be clocked to at LEAST 1.5GHz which is what its designed to run at so if you need extra speed you can get it. The iphone 4s only runs at 800MHz and look what that can do.
Mark.
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1. Every phone is obsolete 3-6 months after its made as technology is always advancing. Its similar to buying a pc if you need to buy one you get the best you can afford at that time. If you want something thats going to be future proof then you will never get anything as its just not possible. You can hold out for a quad core phone if you want but they wont start appearing for 3-6 months at least and then if you get one of those an 8-core phone maybe 9 months away from that so what are you going to do? The Galaxy Nexus can handle everything that will be thrown at it right now and it will always get the latest updates as soon as they are released by google which I think is more important than the speed of the phone.
2. As mentioned many times the battery tests are not thorough enough to be of any value but with any modern smartphone you arent going to get much more than 8-10 hours intensive use which should be more than enough to get you through a day without problems. If you think you are going to get a phone with an HD screen and dual or quad core processor to last 2-3 days you are dreaming. Leave it in standby most of the time and use it sparingly then yes but with moderate use a day is quite sufficient. You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times.
3. Im pretty sure there wont be many games in the next year that require a quad core phone as they wont have much of a target market. Dual core phones will easily be able to handle any game thrown at it for the foreseable future and it can easily be clocked to at LEAST 1.5GHz which is what its designed to run at so if you need extra speed you can get it. The iphone 4s only runs at 800MHz and look what that can do.
Mark.
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Mostly I agree with you, but on point 3 you mixed something up. iPhone 4s has a very capable (if not the best released) dual-core GPU, the PowerVR SGX 543MP2, while GN is using a overclocked PowerVR SGX 540. It is still more than capable though, but you're mixing up CPU with GPU in your post. Just wanted to clarify that.
Cheers
qwer23
qwer23 said:
Mostly I agree with you, but on point 3 you mixed something up. iPhone 4s has a very capable (if not the best released) dual-core GPU, the PowerVR SGX 543MP2, while GN is using a overclocked PowerVR SGX 540. It is still more than capable though, but you're mixing up CPU with GPU in your post. Just wanted to clarify that.
Cheers
qwer23
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Point taken I was watching tv at the time while I was typing and wasnt thinking too much lol .
Mark.
the Gnex comes with a 1750mAh
I suppose it would last me 2-3 days (maybe i'm wrong) and I'm a light user
my friend's SGS2 lasts 2-3 days to him with light to moderate usage BUT not always connected
and I hope on what I assume will be true and hope the Gnex's battery life is better than my iP4 so it would be really an upgrade for me as I am not also connected to wifi and stay with 2G only..
I just hope Samsung will release an official extended battery (3000ish) with a kick stand (like those for HD2). It would be great.
I'm just concerned about how the GPU will cope in playing games. Otherwise, I can't wait until Sat/Sun for T-Mobile to get this in stock.
soullinker20 said:
the Gnex comes with a 1750mAh
I suppose it would last me 2-3 days (maybe i'm wrong) and I'm a light user
my friend's SGS2 lasts 2-3 days to him with light to moderate usage BUT not always connected
and I hope on what I assume will be true and hope the Gnex's battery life is better than my iP4 so it would be really an upgrade for me as I am not also connected to wifi and stay with 2G only..
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With WIFI off and using only 2G I think the battery life would be very good. Constant updates to social networking sites can be a real battery killer on todays phone.
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I just hope Samsung will release an official extended battery (3000ish) with a kick stand (like those for HD2). It would be great.
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It would indeed be good but extremely unlikely
Mark.
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With WIFI off and using only 2G I think the battery life would be very good. Constant updates to social networking sites can be a real battery killer on todays phone.
Mark.
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thank you!
this would be a worthy upgrade from my iP4 imo. I'm prepared to switch to Android now
but I still have to wait 2-3 weeks before this phone arrives here @ the Philippines.
Thank you all so much for the replies!
I do believe I have changed my mind
1.) Yeah, even though the phone will be obsoleted in 3-6 months, all phones will likely to be obsoleted at a time close to their initial release.
2.) I don't mind buying another external battery for my phone, guess I never thought about it (Mark, what do you mean by: "You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times." Is this a charger than can supply battery on the go? Because I go to high school [yeah im 15 years old] and having an extra battery or charger works for me)
3.)I barely game anyways, and there are plenty of games that can still run on the gpu.
soullinker20 said:
thank you!
this would be a worthy upgrade from my iP4 imo. I'm prepared to switch to Android now
but I still have to wait 2-3 weeks before this phone arrives here @ the Philippines.
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Well at least that will give you time to read reviews from people who are using the phone and see how its performing in the real world before you order it.
Mark.
mohitrocks said:
Thank you all so much for the replies!
I do believe I have changed my mind
1.) Yeah, even though the phone will be obsoleted in 3-6 months, all phones will likely to be obsoleted at a time close to their initial release.
2.) I don't mind buying another external battery for my phone, guess I never thought about it (Mark, what do you mean by: "You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times." Is this a charger than can supply battery on the go? Because I go to high school [yeah im 15 years old] and having an extra battery or charger works for me)
3.)I barely game anyways, and there are plenty of games that can still run on the gpu.
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Something like *THIS*. Its basically a huge capacity rechargeable battery that you can plug any usb device into to charge it. In my opinion more practical than buying replacement batterys as you dont have to turn the phone off to keep going. It could even be used as a rechargeable led torch lol..
Im sure you could find one that can be delivered to your location with a google search.
Mark.
1. It only need optimizations. and Ice Cream Sandwich is the start of the long awaited hardware optimization that Android needs.
2. User dependent. and Galaxy Nexus has that feature that any iphone doesn't have. A replaceable battery. So you could bring an extra battery for emergencies. But i really do think that 1750mah can last you a day
3. GPU is still very capable to handle games. Again, just like no.1 all it needs is optimizations. Besides, i don't see game developers focusing on making games that can only run on a very very very powerful GPU.
Hi All,
I'm thinking of getting a new phone at some point or another and the acro s seems perfect for me!
But I have a few questions before I waste my money,
The yellow tint issue - Does it still exist on newer devices? (I Know what Sony said but what do you lot say?)
Unlocking the BL - Do I lose any funtionality? Except for TrackID, Shazam is so much better Haha!
Battery life - Any complaints?
Thanks muchly in advance,
Actually BL Unlocking increase functionality a bit, since u have Custom ROM. But Bravia Engine and Track ID will be gone. Also there's a Warranty issue also
However upon Re-locking the BL, you may avail Track ID and BE again, but some were complaining that BE isn't working.
Battery Life is decent but it depends on you, But it should be fine for a day under normal use.
Some experienced Yellow Tint after a long time like 7-8 months and some almost immediately like within 3 weeks -1 month. But i think this problem occurred with first several units manufactured. New devices after that should not have this problem. Still check well before buying.
And Yes I think ACRO S is still in the New Phones league at lest up to December 2013. And don't know about SONY's support but in XDA there will be Devs alwz for this.
Savage thanks for the info!!
I have an Acro S since December 2012 and I gotta say this smartphone still kicks!
Green tint - No I don't have this issue, even if I full load the phone... straight 1 hour gaming... no
Unlock BL - I unlocked my bootloader 2 months ago and it was great, although I lost Bravia Engine and download music info services which I felt somehow bad... but the added functionality like flashing custom kernels/ROMs is just awesome! I love flashing custom kernels!
Battery life - Nope no complaints, should last a day (or even 1½ day) of normal use (like an hour of browsing, 1 hour of facebook, 1 hour of gaming/video... stuff like that)
Here are my complaints:
- Device gets hot so fast: In my opinion it's the Snapdragon S3 chipset inside our device, it's too old (2010 model), it has 45nm semiconductor technology which causes the heating I guess. Even if you're just browsing the net or doing facebook, device will get hot in about 10mins of use, but does not reduce performance. When gaming, when your device gets too hot (like 40 degrees celsius), it will slow down like a turtle, CPU clock will reduce down to 810MHz, if you're rooted you can prevent this by modifying a file, but I advice you to don't do this to prevent hardware damage/failure.
- Somewhat outdated chipset: Uses old 2010 Snapdragon S3, dual Scorpion cores on our device is good but Krait architecture is still A LOT BETTER, it beats Samsung's chipset on the Galaxy SIII, and of course does not overheat because of the 28nm manufacture process. About GPU, Adreno 220 runs smooth on our device, browsing and navigating around is buttery smooth, BUT is not powerful enough to power our 720p screen when it comes to heavy games, lags can be experienced in some famous games like GTA 3, Asphalt 7 (HORRIBLE LAG and ugly graphics for our device), Temple Run 2 (lags on Best graphics preset but doesn't on Better preset (although it still stutters which may disturb gameplay; but stil.... my highest was 22 million xD ).
That's all, Good Luck friend!
We all love to rag on Touchwiz for being a bloated lag beast and pray for the day we can flash CM to get rid of it. However, there is a way to compare stock Touchwiz vs stock Android on two devices with exactly the same hardware specs and surprisingly, the difference is not that significant.
The takeaway is that Touchwiz seems faster loading video while stock Android is faster loading web content - I have a theory for this based upon how Touchwiz parses javascript, but that's another thread . On a benchmark basis the two are within a few hundred points of each other.
Anyway, here is an interesting video of a guy testing the S4 Play Edition (pure Android) vs the S4 Touchwiz Edition, both all stock and brand new with no rom optimizations or debloating. It's interesting and shows that while stock Android may be a bit faster overall, the difference is far less than one might have imagined. Of course the results may be different on the Tab S.
Nice, but surprising report. Guess the skeptics will need something else to complain about.
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If only those 2 models were comparing Exynos vs Snapdragon.....then we would have a better understanding.
But I can say for sure, in daily use, Touchwiz is noticeably slower than stock.
kenkiller said:
If only those 2 models were comparing Exynos vs Snapdragon.....then we would have a better understanding.
But I can say for sure, in daily use, Touchwiz is noticeably slower than stock.
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The thread is about TOUCHWIZ Vs ANDROID not Exynos vs Snapdragon. In this test anyway there doesn't appear to be much difference between the 2 running on the same platform. YMMV.
Apparently, Kitkat 4.4 introduced aggressive cpu throttling at much lower temps than prior Android versions. This may be something that is causing slowdowns you have perceived with prolonged use. While this increases battery life, it crushes performance. Fortunately a good kernel should be able to address this. In this case the hardware is fine, it is the OS which is screwing things up. I guess Google saw that people care more about battery life than blazing performance.
Anyway, here is the article. Interesting.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/sa...at-performance-cpu-throttling-dvfs,26414.html
Again this is for the S4. Not sure how it applies to the Tab S.
Here is a thread by a dev who was able to disable the DVFS throttling on the s4. He claims that is to blame and not KitKat directly. Will research to see if thee is anything similar for the Tab S.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2674928
Ok, I see that using Wanam Xposed you can disable Samsung DVFS in Advanced Settings. No idea if this works on our Tab S but I disabled it and nothing seemed to break on reboot. This should not increase benchmarks, just stop excessive throttling. One would guess you will see better performance and worse battery life.
We'll see.
mitchellvii said:
Ok, I see that using Wanam Xposed you can disable Samsung DVFS in Advanced Settings. No idea if this works on our Tab S but I disabled it and nothing seemed to break on reboot. This should not increase benchmarks, just stop excessive throttling. One would guess you will see better performance and worse battery life.
We'll see.
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Hi Mitchell, did the battery life turn out worse?
Still deciding whether to root my tab our not (root loses a tv streaming program in belgian which is quite handy)
All I have to say is load up my alpha rom and see for yourself. It's like the difference between a tablet that came out this month (CM) and a tablet that came out three years ago (TW) performance wise.
I've gone from thinking about selling it to wondering how many years its going to be before they can produce a tablet that makes me want to upgrade.
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All I have to say is load up my alpha rom and see for yourself. It's like the difference between a tablet that came out this month (CM) and a tablet that came out three years ago (TW) performance wise.
I've gone from thinking about selling it to wondering how many years its going to be before they can produce a tablet that makes me want to upgrade.
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Soon as you're ready to pop out an 800 I'll be on it.
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Soon as you're ready to pop out an 800 I'll be on it.
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There is a pre-alpha build up for the t800. Unfortunately I don't have one to debug but I hear it boots, touch screen works, but no wifi.
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There is a pre-alpha build up for the t800. Unfortunately I don't have one to debug but I hear it boots, touch screen works, but no wifi.
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Oh cool. I'll hold off on trying it until WiFi gets going but will watch for it.
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Oh cool. I'll hold off on trying it until WiFi gets going but will watch for it.
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It will probably be a bit. I don't own the 800 and mainly posted that to show it was possible. If I finish the 700 before the baby is born and no one else has picked it up then I'll try to get it finished.
thomas_pieps said:
Hi Mitchell, did the battery life turn out worse?
Still deciding whether to root my tab our not (root loses a tv streaming program in belgian which is quite handy)
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mitchellvii said:
I guess Google saw that people care more about battery life than blazing performance.
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Yes and this is one reason why I get sick of people moaning about battery life all the time. It's a mobile device constrained by current technology and what size battery can be squeezed in.
Yet people still expect 3 days battery, super duper speed and a nice slim light device.
For me I accept the limited capabilities of a battery in a mobile device and think they do a pretty good job as it is.
I want a mix of performance and battery, but I'll gladly sacrifice a bit of battery life for a lag free , smooth device.
However the more people moan about battery life the more the scales will tip to battery life at the cost of performance.
I would be willing to except a tablet a mm thicker to have a bigger battery
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thomas_pieps said:
Hi Mitchell, did the battery life turn out worse?
Still deciding whether to root my tab our not (root loses a tv streaming program in belgian which is quite handy)
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Does it tick anyone off that Google put a 'SD821' in your phone, downclocked it to exact SD820 speeds, then sells it as a SD821? The difference between the two is that Qualcomm essentially overclocked the SD820 and called it the SD821 as the two have the same architecture. Then Google apparently downclocks them back down to stock speed and still calls them the Pro chip? Sounds like false advertising that they got around by advertising the downclocked speeds. They knew most customers just care that 821 is bigger than 820, as they don't pay attention the the real tech specs. The SD821 does offer better power consumption efficiency and downclocking will make that actually show, but when the battery easily lasts more than all day, I would rather have the performance increase, but maybe that is just me.
Most customers are checking the chip model? I think not!
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Google didn't "downclock" the 821. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that is clocked higher and one that is more battery efficient.
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
It's not false advertising. Its an ill informed consumer.
+1 to dbrohers comment.
Further.....this is the smoothest performing phone and great battery life. I would rather keep it as is with a lower clock speed.
I don't think Google was concerned with drag racing against other phones in benchmarks. They went for popular vote of a smooth experience with great battery life.
This was known before the phone was even released. It's a non-issue. Are you having performance issues with the phone?
Most likely both versions of the 821's are just high binned 820's. When they fab chips on a wafer the ones closest to the middle generally can hit higher clocks with lower power. So they probably have been holding back the best ones since the beginning and waiting until the fall to release them as the 821.
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Google didn't "downclock" the 821. There are 2 versions of the 821. One that is clocked higher and one that is more battery efficient.
http://www.xda-developers.com/a-loo...he-snapdragon-821-in-the-google-pixel-phones/
It's not false advertising. Its an ill informed consumer.
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Okay so Google opted for a 5% battery gain instead of a 10% performance gain? I'm glad I chose the latter.
juliend said:
This was known before the phone was even released. It's a non-issue. Are you having performance issues with the phone?
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I don't have the phone, just wondering about perspective from the owners of the phone. I have the Zenfone 3 Special Edition and love everything about it. The Pixel XL had me strongly considering it because of the software update benefits, however it just fell short in too many areas hardware wise.
iceman4357 said:
+1 to dbrohers comment.
Further.....this is the smoothest performing phone and great battery life. I would rather keep it as is with a lower clock speed.
I don't think Google was concerned with drag racing against other phones in benchmarks. They went for popular vote of a smooth experience with great battery life.
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They went for battery life over smoothest performance. Granted that at these speeds general performance differences will be almost indistinguishable, but when they choose to go with the slower version, they are not choosing smoothest performance. I do not doubt the performance is butter smooth, especially on Nougat, but 'smoothest' performance would've come from the faster clocked SD821.
Blues-n-Blazin said:
I don't have the phone, just wondering about perspective from the owners of the phone. I have the Zenfone 3 Special Edition and love everything about it. The Pixel XL had me strongly considering it because of the software update benefits, however it just fell short in too many areas hardware wise.
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Gotcha. Well, the phone is absolutely buttery smooth. The camera is epic. The battery life is incredible. The only thing I miss really is the water proof thing I had with the note 7. And the S pen. I miss my pen.
The user experience is perfect for me. They got the speed and efficiency balance spot on.
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They went for battery life over smoothest performance. Granted that at these speeds general performance differences will be almost indistinguishable, but when they choose to go with the slower version, they are not choosing smoothest performance. I do not doubt the performance is butter smooth, especially on Nougat, but 'smoothest' performance would've come from the faster clocked SD821.
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Wait....so you decided to start a thread in the Pixel forums challenging the performance characteristics of the phone that you don't even own one? lol
The difference in clock speed relative to it scrolling through the app drawer, or between home screens might make a .01 millisecond difference?
You could also buy an unlocked version and I am sure there is someone who will modify the kernal for the higher clock speed.
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Wait....so you decided to start a thread in the Pixel forums challenging the performance characteristics of the phone that you don't even own one? lol
The difference in clock speed relative to it scrolling through the app drawer, or between home screens might make a .01 millisecond difference?
You could also buy an unlocked version and I am sure there is someone who will modify the kernal for the higher clock speed.
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I wasn't challenging anything. I was asking what people thought of it as it was my runner up phone. I simply wanted to know how it panned out and what people thought of the thing that turned me away from it. The pixel section isn't exclusively for Pixel owners bud.
I wasn't even worried about the speed of doing menial tasks such as scrolling through the app drawer, I was wondering about app launch speed and performance of the most demanding games down the road. Home launcher performance is a pretty weak measuring stick for performance. Having said that, as much as I love this ZenUI3.0, I wonder if the Pixel Launcher is somehow better, if that is even possible, simply because Google coded the OS and the app which gives them a huge advantage. I will have to reserve judgement until I get a chance to play with a Pixel though. On the flip side, ZENUI3.0 might be better as it is a perfect experience and this is Google's first go at a custom launcher (though I doubt that kept them from making something exquisite). Regardless, I'm not asking about opinions on the Launcher as it is subjective and it won't tell me anything. I wanted to know if people would've rather seen the higher performance or the battery. I have the higher performance version and my phone has a smaller battery than the Pixel's but my battery lasts a lot more than the day long expectation I have. So I wonder why Google felt they needed better battery life because if my battery lasts a crazy long time, the Pixels would naturally last longer. It just feels like you didn't need more battery life but every phone could always use more performance. I presume your phone keeps charge for two full days. Do you really feel your phone benefits from that 5% battery life boost when you could've had 10% performance boost instead? (Performance that would come in handy, especially when driving that QHD display on High end VR Games down the road). The choice just doesn't make sense to me from Google's standpoint, so I figured I would find out how the owners of the phone felt about it.
Btw, I don't put custom ROMs on my devices anymore unless it is absolutely necessary. I've rarely seen a good one and still not as smooth as stock android.
All i know is my Pixel user experience is much better than my Note7. Speed feels on a whole different level. And battery seems much better.
But alot of that i think is samsungs junkware. It was always running like 20% cpu just being idle. Where i catch my pixel chillin at 0% alot of times
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juliend said:
Gotcha. Well, the phone is absolutely buttery smooth. The camera is epic. The battery life is incredible. The only thing I miss really is the water proof thing I had with the note 7. And the S pen. I miss my pen.
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Yeah waterproofing would've been awesome. The SPen is cool but I personally never used it. My finger works just fine and it would take me longer to pull the pen out and I don't do any note taking. I didn't have the note 7 though so I am ignorant on some of the SPen features it had. I really want to get my hands on a Pixel XL and see how Google did first hand. I personally hate Apple as a company and was hoping the Pixel would get some of the ignorant iPhone users to switch to Android. Most will just keep blindly buying Apple though. I think Daydream VR could possibly be flashy enough for them to consider switching though.
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I wasn't challenging anything. I was asking what people thought of it as it was my runner up phone. I simply wanted to know how it panned out and what people thought of the thing that turned me away from it. The pixel section isn't exclusively for Pixel owners bud.
I wasn't even worried about the speed of doing menial tasks such as scrolling through the app drawer, I was wondering about app launch speed and performance of the most demanding games down the road. Home launcher performance is a pretty weak measuring stick for performance. Having said that, as much as I love this ZenUI3.0, I wonder if the Pixel Launcher is somehow better, if that is even possible, simply because Google coded the OS and the app which gives them a huge advantage. I will have to reserve judgement until I get a chance to play with a Pixel though. On the flip side, ZENUI3.0 might be better as it is a perfect experience and this is Google's first go at a custom launcher (though I doubt that kept them from making something exquisite). Regardless, I'm not asking about opinions on the Launcher as it is subjective and it won't tell me anything. I wanted to know if people would've rather seen the higher performance or the battery. I have the higher performance version and my phone has a smaller battery than the Pixel's but my battery lasts a lot more than the day long expectation I have. So I wonder why Google felt they needed better battery life because if my battery lasts a crazy long time, the Pixels would naturally last longer. It just feels like you didn't need more battery life but every phone could always use more performance. I presume your phone keeps charge for two full days. Do you really feel your phone benefits from that 5% battery life boost when you could've had 10% performance boost instead? (Performance that would come in handy, especially when driving that QHD display on High end VR Games down the road). The choice just doesn't make sense to me from Google's standpoint, so I figured I would find out how the owners of the phone felt about it.
Btw, I don't put custom ROMs on my devices anymore unless it is absolutely necessary. I've rarely seen a good one and still not as smooth as stock android.
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To me personally this phone does miss a beat. If you're worried about performance don't be. I haven't had a single moment where my phone slows down or freezes or anything. Ive had it down to 475mb of ram once. And this thing never slowed down. The speed stayed the same. But that's just from personal experience. So those are my 2 cents. ????
Xt51 said:
To me personally this phone does miss a beat. If you're worried about performance don't be. I haven't had a single moment where my phone slows down or freezes or anything. Ive had it down to 475mb of ram once. And this thing never slowed down. The speed stayed the same. But that's just from personal experience. So those are my 2 cents. ????
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Obviously you meant to say, "To me personally this phone does NOT miss a beat."
Not worried about general performance, I knew that would be fantastic regardless of the SD821 they chose. I mean Google coded the Pixel end to end and regardless of which version of the CPU they decided to use, it was going to run butter no matter what. Just to me, when your battery is already leaving you wonder if you will ever need to charge it again, then 10% performance gain is more valuable to me than 5% battery. To some, that 5% battery might be better if they will never game. For me, I want to put VR games on it that will push it to its limits. I just wish they would've come out with two versions and given the consumer the choice. I really wanted to be first in line for updates, but it's okay I love my phone.
Have any of you tried out Daydream VR yet?
Eh....phone is butter....battery is butter...don't give a hoot about 0.1 of a clock speed difference....don't care about benchmarks...don't care if the phone does happen to jank on a game because more than likely it'll be a poorly coded one. Remember, not all stuttering is because of a phone's specs. Sometimes people just suck at coding.
Trust me that 10% difference will never be noticeable in real life usage.
If you never used a custom ROM that performs better then stock? PureNexus everrytime performs better on the Nexus phones. The developer will also release a Pixel rom, PurePixel?
You can always get that extra performance with a little modding.
No reason not to use the custom rom. More features then stock, performs better in speed, battery life and is updated with security updates.
Only reason I have not bought the Pixel yet is because first thing I will do is unlock bootloader. Install TWRP and custom rom. That's not available yet.
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Does it tick anyone off that Google put a 'SD821' in your phone, downclocked it to exact SD820 speeds, then sells it as a SD821? The difference between the two is that Qualcomm essentially overclocked the SD820 and called it the SD821 as the two have the same architecture. Then Google apparently downclocks them back down to stock speed and still calls them the Pro chip? Sounds like false advertising that they got around by advertising the downclocked speeds. They knew most customers just care that 821 is bigger than 820, as they don't pay attention the the real tech specs. The SD821 does offer better power consumption efficiency and downclocking will make that actually show, but when the battery easily lasts more than all day, I would rather have the performance increase, but maybe that is just me.
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Blues-n-Blazin said:
Okay so Google opted for a 5% battery gain instead of a 10% performance gain? I'm glad I chose the latter.
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Who wants a fast car without gas?
The one the timed his nos boost wins. Check Fast n Furious..
Some of you know me here as i was one of the first owners of the phone, and tried to mitigate and investigate to hopefully solve some of its issues to no avail....
Android 13 has made some things better like animations, app launch time and slight improve to battery life as well as supporting Bluetooth LE.
However, I've been running this phone alongside with the mighty ROG6, and i have to say, that the ROG6 really opened my eyes to how phone SHOULD operate.
I'm not going to ramble about that here, but to sum it up, here are my main issues that are solved with a proper phone optimization(ROG6 in my case):
1) Memory Management-AD 13 improved it a bit, but it's still far cry from being good, specially with 12gb of ram, it always aims to refresh most of the apps, and you can't really rely on that for the long run.
on the other side, mine ROG6 never reloads any apps unless it requires a refresh on the main page by the API (Instgram, Facebook etc...), even with heavy games.
2) Battery life-Pretty sure we all got disappointed at some point, but it really poor specially the standby time with any SIM card, as without sim card it seems like the standby time is actually great.
SD8GEN1 is the main culprit as the SOC is pure trash, unfortunately small 4700mah battery is not enough for the might of the phone.
3) Performance across the board-slow animation, poor LTPO implantation, laggy interface, heavy throttling under some conditions.
All of those for a high-end phone are unacceptable and unfortunately, Android 13 update is the magic sauce we all hoped for.
I'll end up with some optimistic though, the next iteration of the X series might be much better with better optimization across the board, if the new SOC won't repeat the disastrous process of the SD8GEN1.
No device is perfect. Good luck with your new purchase!