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3 Reasons stopping me from buying a Galaxy Nexus Please help me change my mind :D

Hey everyone
As seen on this review: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review (not sure if it is the final unit) the galaxy nexus is great in terms of both hardware and software but there are three reasons still persisting as to why I shouldn't buy the Galaxy Nexus
1.) The hardware could get obsoleted fairly quickly.
Although (as the review states) the phone is blazing fast, the hardware is only considered great in relation to other phones. (E.g. the Nexus One had the best hardware when compared to the G1 but when the Atrix was announced, it became fairly obsoleted) This could be a problem because right now the phone might have excellent hardware (and software), in a few months when CES 2012 comes along it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones which will greatly surpass the speed of our current-day phones (e.g. http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/) I know that nothing can substitute for pure vanilla android, the most recent updates from Google and huge developer base but the fact that technological advancements are only becoming more and more prominent and that within a year or so with the introduction of new apps and games, I feel that one year from now, the galaxy nexus might be like the G1 of today. (If anyone has any contradictory reasons, please state them as I really want to purchase a Galaxy Nexus and get rid of my Motorola Milestone (international version of OG droid)
2.) The battery might not suffice for a full day's use.
The only way I can consider my motorola milestone as a viable quality smartphone is if I overclock it to 1GHz (from 550mhz) and apply various tweaks which in turn only let me use the device for 5-7 hours max. If this is the case wit h the Galaxy Nexus, I probably won't want to buy it as I use my phone extensively and I don't want the hassle of charging every night (or at least every 5-7 hours)
3.) This one is not a huge issue for me but it may be in the future. With the gaming market actively expanding in terms of smartphones, with the way-obsoleted GPU that this phone packs, I fear that I may not be able to play a lot of games in the future.

most 'reviewers' are probably not charging the battery when they receive the phone, instead opting to insert the battery right away after opening the box and starting up the phone without charging.
this leads to inconclusive reviews regarding the battery life.
just a thought.

oscillik said:
most 'reviewers' are probably not charging the battery when they receive the phone, instead opting to insert the battery right away after opening the box and starting up the phone without charging.
this leads to inconclusive reviews regarding the battery life.
just a thought.
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You're right. As stated in the review, they haven't tested the battery extensively, and they said they would update the review with the new battery findings in the future

1) what do you mean could get obsolete?
it is already obsolete except for the 720 HD screen LOL
2) you might be right about that, we'll see how many hour this 1750 mAh battery can pull
3) you also forgot to mention about the lack of space for the ever increasing storage space required to play a game
mohitrocks said:
Hey everyone
As seen on this review: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/17/2568348/galaxy-nexus-review (not sure if it is the final unit) the galaxy nexus is great in terms of both hardware and software but there are three reasons still persisting as to why I shouldn't buy the Galaxy Nexus
1.) The hardware could get obsoleted fairly quickly.
Although (as the review states) the phone is blazing fast, the hardware is only considered great in relation to other phones. (E.g. the Nexus One had the best hardware when compared to the G1 but when the Atrix was announced, it became fairly obsoleted) This could be a problem because right now the phone might have excellent hardware (and software), in a few months when CES 2012 comes along it is rumoured that there will be quad core phones which will greatly surpass the speed of our current-day phones (e.g. http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/11/15/r...ndroid-4-0-with-a-2-5ghz-quad-core-processor/) I know that nothing can substitute for pure vanilla android, the most recent updates from Google and huge developer base but the fact that technological advancements are only becoming more and more prominent and that within a year or so with the introduction of new apps and games, I feel that one year from now, the galaxy nexus might be like the G1 of today. (If anyone has any contradictory reasons, please state them as I really want to purchase a Galaxy Nexus and get rid of my Motorola Milestone (international version of OG droid)
2.) The battery might not suffice for a full day's use.
The only way I can consider my motorola milestone as a viable quality smartphone is if I overclock it to 1GHz (from 550mhz) and apply various tweaks which in turn only let me use the device for 5-7 hours max. If this is the case wit h the Galaxy Nexus, I probably won't want to buy it as I use my phone extensively and I don't want the hassle of charging every night (or at least every 5-7 hours)
3.) This one is not a huge issue for me but it may be in the future. With the gaming market actively expanding in terms of smartphones, with the way-obsoleted GPU that this phone packs, I fear that I may not be able to play a lot of games in the future.
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Every phone will be outdated in a year....If thats a big deciding factor u may never get a phone.
Sent From Samsung Vibrant

I have to confirm what they said about the battery life. I charged the phone up fully before even turning it on and with heavy use (you know how it is the first day you get a new phone) I got around 7 hours out of it. With normal usage I can imagine it lasting a full work day but if you are a heavy user you probably want to look into an external or expanded battery.
As for gaming, from my tests some games really don't run very well, although it might be partly due to them not being optimised for the Nexus hardware or ICS.
To be honest though with any modern smartphones 6-8 hours is pretty much what you can expect with heavy use. I doubt you will find anything much better. If gaming is important I suggest you hold off getting a Galaxy Nexus though. Right now it's not looking too good.
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Chrono_Tata said:
To be honest though with any modern smartphones 6-8 hours is pretty much what you can expect with heavy use. I doubt you will find anything much better. If gaming is important I suggest you hold off getting a Galaxy Nexus though. Right now it's not looking too good.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA App
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probably it just need some optimization
but compared to the SGS2 T989 it sure it's lacking a bit there
the T989 on stock can easily pull 14 hr ~ 18 hr with moderate use, and if you are light use, then you can get over a day with that phone
see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1301609

Issues 1 and 2 apply to pretty much any smartphone you get nowadays. So STi489's statement is quite accurate.
I'll refrain from commenting on #3 because I don't do mobile gaming, so don't really know/care a lot about modern phone GPUs.

1. Every phone is obsolete 3-6 months after its made as technology is always advancing. Its similar to buying a pc if you need to buy one you get the best you can afford at that time. If you want something thats going to be future proof then you will never get anything as its just not possible. You can hold out for a quad core phone if you want but they wont start appearing for 3-6 months at least and then if you get one of those an 8-core phone maybe 9 months away from that so what are you going to do? The Galaxy Nexus can handle everything that will be thrown at it right now and it will always get the latest updates as soon as they are released by google which I think is more important than the speed of the phone.
2. As mentioned many times the battery tests are not thorough enough to be of any value but with any modern smartphone you arent going to get much more than 8-10 hours intensive use which should be more than enough to get you through a day without problems. If you think you are going to get a phone with an HD screen and dual or quad core processor to last 2-3 days you are dreaming. Leave it in standby most of the time and use it sparingly then yes but with moderate use a day is quite sufficient. You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times.
3. Im pretty sure there wont be many games in the next year that require a quad core phone as they wont have much of a target market. Dual core phones will easily be able to handle any game thrown at it for the foreseable future and it can easily be clocked to at LEAST 1.5GHz which is what its designed to run at so if you need extra speed you can get it. The iphone 4s only runs at 800MHz and look what that can do.
Mark.

mskip said:
1. Every phone is obsolete 3-6 months after its made as technology is always advancing. Its similar to buying a pc if you need to buy one you get the best you can afford at that time. If you want something thats going to be future proof then you will never get anything as its just not possible. You can hold out for a quad core phone if you want but they wont start appearing for 3-6 months at least and then if you get one of those an 8-core phone maybe 9 months away from that so what are you going to do? The Galaxy Nexus can handle everything that will be thrown at it right now and it will always get the latest updates as soon as they are released by google which I think is more important than the speed of the phone.
2. As mentioned many times the battery tests are not thorough enough to be of any value but with any modern smartphone you arent going to get much more than 8-10 hours intensive use which should be more than enough to get you through a day without problems. If you think you are going to get a phone with an HD screen and dual or quad core processor to last 2-3 days you are dreaming. Leave it in standby most of the time and use it sparingly then yes but with moderate use a day is quite sufficient. You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times.
3. Im pretty sure there wont be many games in the next year that require a quad core phone as they wont have much of a target market. Dual core phones will easily be able to handle any game thrown at it for the foreseable future and it can easily be clocked to at LEAST 1.5GHz which is what its designed to run at so if you need extra speed you can get it. The iphone 4s only runs at 800MHz and look what that can do.
Mark.
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Mostly I agree with you, but on point 3 you mixed something up. iPhone 4s has a very capable (if not the best released) dual-core GPU, the PowerVR SGX 543MP2, while GN is using a overclocked PowerVR SGX 540. It is still more than capable though, but you're mixing up CPU with GPU in your post. Just wanted to clarify that.
Cheers
qwer23

qwer23 said:
Mostly I agree with you, but on point 3 you mixed something up. iPhone 4s has a very capable (if not the best released) dual-core GPU, the PowerVR SGX 543MP2, while GN is using a overclocked PowerVR SGX 540. It is still more than capable though, but you're mixing up CPU with GPU in your post. Just wanted to clarify that.
Cheers
qwer23
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Point taken I was watching tv at the time while I was typing and wasnt thinking too much lol .
Mark.

the Gnex comes with a 1750mAh
I suppose it would last me 2-3 days (maybe i'm wrong) and I'm a light user
my friend's SGS2 lasts 2-3 days to him with light to moderate usage BUT not always connected
and I hope on what I assume will be true and hope the Gnex's battery life is better than my iP4 so it would be really an upgrade for me as I am not also connected to wifi and stay with 2G only..

I just hope Samsung will release an official extended battery (3000ish) with a kick stand (like those for HD2). It would be great.

I'm just concerned about how the GPU will cope in playing games. Otherwise, I can't wait until Sat/Sun for T-Mobile to get this in stock.

soullinker20 said:
the Gnex comes with a 1750mAh
I suppose it would last me 2-3 days (maybe i'm wrong) and I'm a light user
my friend's SGS2 lasts 2-3 days to him with light to moderate usage BUT not always connected
and I hope on what I assume will be true and hope the Gnex's battery life is better than my iP4 so it would be really an upgrade for me as I am not also connected to wifi and stay with 2G only..
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With WIFI off and using only 2G I think the battery life would be very good. Constant updates to social networking sites can be a real battery killer on todays phone.
luffyp said:
I just hope Samsung will release an official extended battery (3000ish) with a kick stand (like those for HD2). It would be great.
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It would indeed be good but extremely unlikely
Mark.

mskip said:
With WIFI off and using only 2G I think the battery life would be very good. Constant updates to social networking sites can be a real battery killer on todays phone.
Mark.
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thank you!
this would be a worthy upgrade from my iP4 imo. I'm prepared to switch to Android now
but I still have to wait 2-3 weeks before this phone arrives here @ the Philippines.

Thank you all so much for the replies!
I do believe I have changed my mind
1.) Yeah, even though the phone will be obsoleted in 3-6 months, all phones will likely to be obsoleted at a time close to their initial release.
2.) I don't mind buying another external battery for my phone, guess I never thought about it (Mark, what do you mean by: "You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times." Is this a charger than can supply battery on the go? Because I go to high school [yeah im 15 years old] and having an extra battery or charger works for me)
3.)I barely game anyways, and there are plenty of games that can still run on the gpu.

soullinker20 said:
thank you!
this would be a worthy upgrade from my iP4 imo. I'm prepared to switch to Android now
but I still have to wait 2-3 weeks before this phone arrives here @ the Philippines.
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Well at least that will give you time to read reviews from people who are using the phone and see how its performing in the real world before you order it.
Mark.

mohitrocks said:
Thank you all so much for the replies!
I do believe I have changed my mind
1.) Yeah, even though the phone will be obsoleted in 3-6 months, all phones will likely to be obsoleted at a time close to their initial release.
2.) I don't mind buying another external battery for my phone, guess I never thought about it (Mark, what do you mean by: "You can buy 4800mAh backup chargers for about £20 which is what im getting instead of another battery and should be able to recharge your phone 2 or 3 times." Is this a charger than can supply battery on the go? Because I go to high school [yeah im 15 years old] and having an extra battery or charger works for me)
3.)I barely game anyways, and there are plenty of games that can still run on the gpu.
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Something like *THIS*. Its basically a huge capacity rechargeable battery that you can plug any usb device into to charge it. In my opinion more practical than buying replacement batterys as you dont have to turn the phone off to keep going. It could even be used as a rechargeable led torch lol..
Im sure you could find one that can be delivered to your location with a google search.
Mark.

1. It only need optimizations. and Ice Cream Sandwich is the start of the long awaited hardware optimization that Android needs.
2. User dependent. and Galaxy Nexus has that feature that any iphone doesn't have. A replaceable battery. So you could bring an extra battery for emergencies. But i really do think that 1750mah can last you a day
3. GPU is still very capable to handle games. Again, just like no.1 all it needs is optimizations. Besides, i don't see game developers focusing on making games that can only run on a very very very powerful GPU.

Tegra 3 performance

Hey guys,
I wonder if the so called gaming SoC will get any better in terms of gaming performance with further updates from HTC. At the moment the games run barely as good as on my SGS2. I know..the resolution of the HOX is twice as high but the games graphics ar getting better and I cant even play NOVA 3 with my 'gaming device'... There is a way to make it a bit less laggy with new Base and franco kernel but it's still far away from beeing smooth. What I want to ask you is: Is there still potential for tegra 3 to run those games smooth and it's just a matter of time till an update comes that improves the framerates or is it just hardware limited? Are there other Tegra 3 devices which can run these games without any issues? I'm hoping that the 3.* kernel will improve something but actually I have no clue.

well u have to look at this from the point of view of the game/software/hardware
the one game u mentioned is not HOX compatible,
it's been force run on the device.... so as far as this go..... you'll need to wait for the game to be T3 optimized
software optimizations are still underway from both xda devs and htc.... and as u see they are getting better by the day
and finally not much to say about the hardware but... its more than capable just give it time.
ossy1337 said:
Hey guys,
I wonder if the so called gaming SoC will get any better in terms of gaming performance with further updates from HTC. At the moment the games run barely as good as on my SGS2. I know..the resolution of the HOX is twice as high but the games graphics ar getting better and I cant even play NOVA 3 with my 'gaming device'... There is a way to make it a bit less laggy with new Base and franco kernel but it's still far away from beeing smooth. What I want to ask you is: Is there still potential for tegra 3 to run those games smooth and it's just a matter of time till an update comes that improves the framerates or is it just hardware limited? Are there other Tegra 3 devices which can run these games without any issues? I'm hoping that the 3.* kernel will improve something but actually I have no clue.
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[Q] Poor Ingress performance

Hi all.
Obviously, mi issue is with low fps in playing ingress. I can't understand, why.....here is my explanation:
In casual gameplay (one or two portals visible), I have still around 30fps - which is great, but when I go to city center, where there is much higher portal concentration, my fps drops down to 10-19fps (almost the same, that I got with my old HTC Desire Z (9-15)). I've asked few people with galaxy nexus and they all have around 30fps all the time, even in city center (even on stock rom)
Even my friend with galaxy note (similar hw performance, like my gnex) have almost all the time around 30fps.
I was really looking forward to this phone and to new game experience, which it should have had, but I'm little dissapointed
I've tried:
Stock 4.2.2 (with root)
CM 10.1 with their kernel
CM 10.1 with franco kernel (my actual configuration)
I've also tried messing with overclocking (very unstable results in benchmarks (one test 1500points on cpu, second right after first gave me i.e. 400points etc)
from developer menu I use only Forced GPU for 2D
from performance menu I have: stock cpu, stock I/O, zRAM 26%, Allowed purging of assets, and enabled 16bit transparency
Could someone please point me, where could be the problem? I would be very greatful
Thanks in advance, zipp
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I am completely stock and performance is weak. Not to mention that I have to kill and restart the app or it absolutely fails to give me a correct location. It might not be our hardware. Perhaps its the extreme beta nature of the game. Even folks on the S3 and N4 are complaining.
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I began Ingress with the AOKP JB MR3 rom. It was very smooth in the beginning when I was at level 1. Now I am a level 6 and I've noticed the recent lag.
It may not be our hardware, but the google servers entirely.
When I try to attack a resonator, it take up to 10 seconds to fire an XMP. When I hack, it takes a good 5-8 seconds. Say good-bye to double hacks.
Google had a g+ meetup on this. I think they are getting more servers or something...

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I see the same on Gnex LTE running rooted 4.2.2.
Plus, it absolutely kills my battery. When plugged into a 2.1 amp charger in the car, the battery drains if Ingress is running.
Also, I have to first start GPS Test app, get a GPS lock, then start Ingress or it takes forever to load and locate.
Much of the lag is on the Google server side. At times, the game has been unplayable, taking 1-2 minutes for each action. Then, I just turn it off and try a few hours later.
Remember, Ingress is still a closed beta.

As i started playing Ingress i owned a Desire HD CM10.1 device.
Performance was pretty poor even on playgrounds without portals. After my first 2 levels i bought a Nexus4. Hoped that the performance will be much better, but i have the same lags on N4 like on the DHD. Of course if i'm at a Location where there are no portals, performance is much better than on DHD but if i go to an urban location it lags everytime.....
topic battery:
I think it's normal that battery life sucks while playing, because ingress tries to locate you as good as the smartphone gets the location with its sensors + permanent internet traffic -> permanent working modem IC.
Everything on the smartphone uses battery while playing....
I hope that Niantic will increase performance on our devices.
If anybody has a suggestion how to increase performance tell us.

My fps drops to 2-7fps whether one portal or 10. I wish I had your problem.
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Snapdragon 800 vs Exynos 5420?

OK, this so hard. I have been researching both of these chipsets and still can't come to a conclusion so I am here for first hand experience.
I will be using this tablet for the main things - gaming, internet browsing, movies etc.
I will not root it straight away (probably wait for the warranty to go first).
My main focus is battery life but not at the sacrifice of not being able to play high end games such as Asphault.
So, which one would it be for you and WHY?
Thanks in advance - great forum.

formatix said:
OK, this so hard. I have been researching both of these chipsets and still can't come to a conclusion so I am here for first hand experience.
I will be using this tablet for the main things - gaming, internet browsing, movies etc.
I will not root it straight away (probably wait for the warranty to go first).
My main focus is battery life but not at the sacrifice of not being able to play high end games such as Asphault.
So, which one would it be for you and WHY?
Thanks in advance - great forum.
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No question "Snapdragon 800" is better...on everything, even rooting is easier.
"exynos" suppose to be very go od, but it's not ready for prime time yet, stills need a lot improvement. Those cores are not working as intended, specially for games, it will eat up your battery like there's no tomorrow.

Exynos better cpu, snapdragon better gpu. Now if the hmp patch would ever be applied then the exynos version would be the better choise overall, but there's not much going on on that front. Battery life is similar (snapdragon has a little better battery but not by much as the screen is the no1 reason of depleted battery in tablets not the SoC.

Thanks for the replies. Really appreciate it.

Overall speed

Would you say that the Sony Xperia XZ is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the Sony Xperia XZ exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

it is laggy... do not recommend

It's still as fast as on day 1 after 5 months for me. 10/10 IGN

It has been more than 4 months, it's still as fast as the first day. Never had even a lag since then

For a so called 2016 Flagship this phone is a major disappointment for me.
I've had two HTCs prior to this (The M8 and original One) and from a day to day usability perspective the Sony is simply not as good as my 3 Year old M8 despite being more recent technology.
- The audio quality is very poor with headphones (and without)
- For whatever reason it lags for no obvious reason - scrolling contacts, using Mail, anything.... it's just random
- The camera is surprisingly poor
- The Phone and Message apps crash more frequently than they should
- The only advantage this device has over my previous phone is the addition of a fingerprint sensor.
I have not loaded the device with useless Apps and I have disabled whatever junk ware I can which Sony provide.
The only reason I went for the Sony is that my carrier did not offer the HTC 10 so I decided to try "something different".
A lesson learned I'm afraid and I should have switched Network provider to get a phone that I would be happy with for 2 Years.
Perhaps I should install a custom ROM to gain a performance boost as I used to do with phones prior to the M8. Quite honestly I thought I was over all that and should not have to these days given the hardware specs of the device.
In Summary, a woefully poor implementation from Sony and they will not be getting my business, with respect to phones anyway, anytime in the near future.
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Very poor for a 2016 Flagship- laggy

I have the phone since October 2016 and its nothing but great - speed-wise, it still feels like a new phone, however, I am experiencing problems with the battery now, overnight the battery discharges to 20% in the morning - I have tried re-flashing the phone but that didnt help. The phone began to bend a little as well (oops).
Other than that - performance wise its still awesome, I totally recommend it - but I would step it up and go for the XZ Premium.

This phone becomes a beast only once rooted.
I can concur from my own experience - since release been using it unrooted and the phone was unspectacular. However that experience changed once rooted. It took me a few weeks to get it right but that was mainly down to the temperamental status of magisk (no more the case since v13.2.)
Use the right rom and if you know what your doing under the hood then you'll gain ~10hours sot with a blazing fast phone like mine.
Which deep sleeps like a champion.
Performance with LLJY EAS scheduler implementation takes the phone to new heights (once he actually resolves some small issues with the scheduler we can expect further performance enhancement.)

Its been doing good .. had some hiccups due bad updates
With the Aug security patch .. its back to buttery smooth experience

The question I like to ask why isnt non rooted deep sleeping properly, this phone idle still eating battery non stop.. in this regard the Z5 family with the SD 810 done better, the phone idle in the XZ is shocking..

Overall it's fast but starting camera takes to long. Sometimes 3-4 sec. Since two days back the standard sms-app crashes 19 times out of 20. I've changed it to Textra instead.
Scrolling webpages with a lot of pictures(ex. newspapers) is kind of laggy. Probably because of slow loadingtimes due to 2.4 GHz Wifi.

Mine is disappointingly slow, I've owned for at least 6 months Z3,Z3c, Z2, Z1, Z1c, which was a beast, tried the z5 premium and never noticed any lag, all of them simply were beasts,
With the XZ the phone seems to be SLOW, lags at random, and RAM is at 70 usage 24/7 even with clean stock rom.
I hope this gets fixed with oreo, I used a Honor 8 and LG G5 respectively and they were faster in UI day to day usage, the only reason I moved from the Honor 8 to a LG G5 was the SD 820, and from the LG G5 to the XZ was that I am a fan of sony phones, IPXX and design.
Sadly, I am not satisfied with the speed of my phone, Ive had it for 1 week.

rmartinezdl said:
Sadly, I am not satisfied with the speed of my phone, Ive had it for 1 week.
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That's odd. Has it been dropped at all?
I have several of the USA and Japan models and they are all blazing fast.
Do you think there may be a 3rd party issue!

These "reviews" should be reset since most of them sound like bots and the latest Oreo updated changed everything, this is by far the best 16/17 device and I automatically assume that any nonsense bad complaint comes from people who can't use phones or have fakes from China.

owens2000 said:
For a so called 2016 Flagship this phone is a major disappointment for me.
I've had two HTCs prior to this (The M8 and original One) and from a day to day usability perspective the Sony is simply not as good as my 3 Year old M8 despite being more recent technology.
- The audio quality is very poor with headphones (and without)
- For whatever reason it lags for no obvious reason - scrolling contacts, using Mail, anything.... it's just random
- The camera is surprisingly poor
- The Phone and Message apps crash more frequently than they should
- The only advantage this device has over my previous phone is the addition of a fingerprint sensor.
I have not loaded the device with useless Apps and I have disabled whatever junk ware I can which Sony provide.
The only reason I went for the Sony is that my carrier did not offer the HTC 10 so I decided to try "something different".
A lesson learned I'm afraid and I should have switched Network provider to get a phone that I would be happy with for 2 Years.
Perhaps I should install a custom ROM to gain a performance boost as I used to do with phones prior to the M8. Quite honestly I thought I was over all that and should not have to these days given the hardware specs of the device.
In Summary, a woefully poor implementation from Sony and they will not be getting my business, with respect to phones anyway, anytime in the near future.
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Very poor for a 2016 Flagship- laggy
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I can second this statement, I even prefer my Z5 Compact over this - even an iPhone 5 is faster than the XZ (sad but true)

nzzane said:
I can second this statement, I even prefer my Z5 Compact over this - even an iPhone 5 is faster than the XZ (sad but true)
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I own all the phones you mentioned and I can say that's not true, at least in Europe.

Sharp7 said:
I own all the phones you mentioned and I can say that's not true, at least in Europe.
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Suppose it depends how you use it
For example, on Oreo, i can't use facebook and facebook messenger before the phone becomes too slow (Even in safe mode)
Snapchat kills the phone, bluetooth kills it, location services kills it - if you use the XZ as a basic phone, to take photos and videos, occasional facebook then it will work fine for an added few minutes

nzzane said:
Suppose it depends how you use it
For example, on Oreo, i can't use facebook and facebook messenger before the phone becomes too slow (Even in safe mode)
Snapchat kills the phone, bluetooth kills it, location services kills it - if you use the XZ as a basic phone, to take photos and videos, occasional facebook then it will work fine for an added few minutes
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I can do that all day every day and still go sleep with 40% battery left, no lag and perfect battery after one year, z5c and iphone 5 start to burn during boot, but I guess it's just me being lucky or knowing how to keep a phone healthy.

Yesterday I dit a clean install of Oreo & Root & TWRP (I had unlocked bootloader obviously), same apps from Nougat, same everything, phone seems laggy. At least slower than Nougat. I can't understand why... I will try deodexing now, although I don't have high expectations for this.
PS I'm not a bot, I'm a sick Sony fanboy, not changing this device for anything, other than a XZ Premium once it gets a little cheaper.

Papanik said:
Yesterday I dit a clean install of Oreo & Root & TWRP (I had unlocked bootloader obviously), same apps from Nougat, same everything, phone seems laggy. At least slower than Nougat. I can't understand why... I will try deodexing now, although I don't have high expectations for this.
PS I'm not a bot, I'm a sick Sony fanboy, not changing this device for anything, other than a XZ Premium once it gets a little cheaper.
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Deodexing will only make it MUCH slower, I suggest you to get flashtool and flash a more generic FW like CE1, also keep in mind than most apps on the play store are not even optimized for Oreo (only 0.3% of devices are on the latest android) and they can slow your phone or even cause crashes just by staying in the background, search for Brevent on the Play store and choose to restrict any app which you won't need to have in the background.

Sharp7 said:
Deodexing will only make it MUCH slower, I suggest you to get flashtool and flash a more generic FW like CE1, also keep in mind than most apps on the play store are not even optimized for Oreo (only 0.3% of devices are on the latest android) and they can slow your phone or even cause crashes just by staying in the background, search for Brevent on the Play store and choose to restrict any app which you won't need to have in the background.
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Thanks dude, I thought about it as well, and yes I will stay with odex ROM, and yes, probably the CE1.