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Due for an upgrade, probably reluctantly switching to Android

I say reluctantly, because I want WP to be awesome. I want to stay with it, but I just can't do this 'basic' thing anymore. The colours are so dreadfully boring, there's no WP8 support for my device, Zune software sucks ass. I miss being able to just drag and drop into my music folder. Why complicate it needlessly with restrictive software? How many "new" colours will there be? 4? Android used to be laggy, but it's not anymore. Why is there no speed dial? (Yes there's an app for that, but I live in a border city, the only dialer app that displays my network is the native one, and I need to see it). There's no DLNA app (The LG one? Sorry, that's not a working app, that's just some user interface that pretends to be a DLNA app), and the battery. My freakin gosh the battery. I'd get better battery life out of a lemon and copper wire. 99% gives me 12 hours, that's if I close all apps and leave it alone for the day. I own three chargers (work, car, home), and mine is only a 3.5" screen! What if I had went with the HD7??
These alleged WP8 handsets that are coming out, will they be on par with even 2010 tech? Probably not. I'm so underwhelmed by just everything. My bro-in-law has the Note, and it's insane. Super AMOLED HD screen, xvid/h-264 support, HD out, etc. And it's already outdated almost. The Note 2 will be announced tomorrow, and then hopefully soon available here in Canada.
These are old talking points, I know. I've been reading/lurking this board since before WP came out. It's been hashed out time and again. And it doesn't even matter. What matters is what will please you/me the most. What do you care which platform I go with? I'm not bashing anything, just verbalizing my internal dialogue trying to decide. I was a pioneer with this platform, it pains me, I wanted it to be awesome, but it's just not fully functional. "But wait for the next update" worked a year ago, not this time. WP8 will be undercooked and a day late.
The desktop Windows 8 looks like a disaster of Titanic/watergate proportions. I don't want my device to in any way require that... thing of an OS. They missed the point. They may have started with simplicity in mind, but they're far from it now.
I'm due now for an upgrade, but it's not required, so I'm probably waiting until after Christmas to give time for all the iPhone5/Note2/WP8's of the world to be fully released and reviewed.
Anyone else feeling like this?

to my understanding, there's no/not too much heat on new android devices because almost every month(if not every week) there're some new android devices released to the market. You will always find better device if you hold just a little bit, just a little. but for the iPhone or the coming WP8, it'll be quite a long time before you will see a real update, the next release cycle, one year or something. So, before you see those, why jump now?

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to my understanding, there's no/not too much heat on new android devices because almost every month(if not every week) there're some new android devices released to the market. You will always find better device if you hold just a little bit, just a little. but for the iPhone or the coming WP8, it'll be quite a long time before you will see a real update, the next release cycle, one year or something. So, before you see those, why jump now?
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Yeah that's been the ongoing joke about the iPhone forever. And Android is definitely doing that lately.
There's certain features I really need to have in my next device. The Note has all of them. If the Note 2 dials some back, then I'll just go with the Note 1 and save some cash. If you can wait a couple months and get a little bit bigger screen, why not right?

Wait until Jan/Feb. Im expecting Microsoft to really step up with WP8 or Im gone also. I really dont like Android, but I might be out of options.

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Wait until Jan/Feb. Im expecting Microsoft to really step up with WP8 or Im gone also. I really dont like Android, but I might be out of options.
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I have a A500 running 4.0.3 I think, it works fine, but I ran into a lot crashes and problems too. I think I'm very open on which OS to use, the cheapest I think I got my Windows Phone Arrive for free, absolutely free, not even activation fee, so that's why I'm with WP7. But in fact, if I jump on the new release iPhone 5, but sell it, profits.

Another Option
This is not a flame but a genuine question. Why not wait and see what RIM come up with? I got my HTC Titan because I like the look and style of win 7 and realy do not like Iphone or Andriod and yes i have had an Andriod and my girlfriend has my Iphone 4. I too feel there is just too much missing from win7 and am due an upgrade about November so if RIM can manage to sort out there act i might give it a try.Remember how things were for apple a few years ago when they were talking about just selling the company
its just an idea
Mark

^ waiting on RIM, it'll be sometime next year before an actual device is released.
Side note:
I just sold a GS3. Damn beastly phone, the best I ever had. I didn't even mind Touch wiz. I had it for one full day before selling it, that home button just ruined the experience for me though.
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What vetvito said. Blackberry won't have BB10 out until like Q2 2013. As well as that, I'm just not interested in the last hurrah of a sinking company. It will probably be pretty limited. I'm just getting done with a 'new' platform, I'd like to be with something that's worked in.

Yes exactly my thoughts also on RIM. I dont want to switch to an OS that most likely will not be around anymore in few years. Before Nokia announced MS partnership I was expecting Meego to be the thing for me. I really hope hope WP8 is meeting my expectations and I wouldnt have to move to Android.

My suggestion would also be to simply wait what Microsoft's partners and Apple are bringing to the table next month. If you wait until december you should have all the options aside from RIM for whom I personally would not wait.
The Note is a nice phone in theory but the only one I know who owns one is telling me permanently about the newest strangeness it decides on doing (guess it's simply his device that's acting up - at least I hope so).
On the hardware front I'm not that concerned over WP8. The release handsets were announced to all feature Qualcomms Snapdragon S4 Plus chipsets which, even though being dual core instead of quad, offer better performance than the Tegra 3 and Samsungs own Quadcore-Chips due to the Krait-Architecture by Qualcomm. It's the same chip the LTE-Versions of the HTC One X and Galaxy S3 currently use. HD displays are also a go with WP8.
The biggest question will be WP8 features and it seems we will know whats coming there in one week.

I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
theres too much focus on tech and not enough on actual usability. I can promise you that no android or Iphone will be better for my needs at the moment, not because I know every single device out there but because I know what I need my phone for, and the Focus S ticks all the boxes
So that's my advice, sit down, and write down what your phone MUST do, not what youd like it to do but MUST do, once you find a phone that does all of those things weigh up costs etc yes WP8 will be out soon, but do you NEED it, the answer may be no, but the flip side is that WP7 devices will drop in price so perhaps that's your best option.....anyhow, just food for thought

At the end of the day, it is just a phone. Doesn't matter what OS you buy into but this time around, don't buy a phone which "looks" good or "feels" good.
I would suggest trying out the phone and functions to your heart's content before parting with your money. Like everyone else, I am playing a waiting game before I invest my cash on any OS. This Christmas Santa will be pretty confused too!

dazza9075 said:
I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
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MY WORDS! WP8 has some new features, but 80% of the world does not use NFC. look at Europe or Asia, have somebody seen some NFC around? the same thing, even worse is with east Europe. ok the better screen and the developer could make apps for WP8 in c++ but that not that big deal for the mayor of us. the problem is Other operating systems like Android made the WP7 users to WISH better specs. that's the problem, like an virus thats now in the heads of a few WP7 users. my WP7 does everything what i need to have from a phone right now, and for the next one, two years! like you stated people think of WP8 "yeah that and that feature would be cool to have" but i will never use it. i say lets wait until 7.8 and the new start screen, it looks and feels like the WP8. ok we dont get wallet and such thing, but wallet i dont need, i have a real wallet made out from leather the only thing whats not so good for wp7 is that voip agent can not run in background like the GSM service. so that would be an WP8 feature why i would switch, but not right now, maybe next year when the devices would be around 300-400€ in Germany.

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ok the better screen and the developer could make apps for WP8 in c++ but that not that big deal for the mayor of us.
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I disagree on some of these points. Higher screen resolutions and native code are very important features. Native code enables easier porting of apps from iOS and Android (not to mention more similarity between WP8 and Windows RT) and should make these apps faster / more responsive. Having a choice of a retina display would also be nice
It would also be nice to have some bug fixes, which is more likely to happen on WP8. Tango seemed to break podcast management for some of us, in addition to a few other niggles (e.g. why can't I edit the original email after pressing reply / forward?, volume normalisation issues etc). The overall experience is good - however, there seem to be several rough edges in WP7.

dazza9075 said:
I do see the point in waiting, but I just got myself a Focus S and its the dogs bollocks
I think what most users need to do is actually sit down and find out what they want from their phone.
apart from being able to install customs ROMs this phone does everything I want it to and it looks amazing so for me its ideal, waiting for a WP8 device may seem prudent just now but again, what do you actually want it to do, WP8 will bring new features but do you really NEED them or is it a case of "yeah that would be cool to have" if its the latter than you are buying it for the wrong reason.
theres too much focus on tech and not enough on actual usability. I can promise you that no android or Iphone will be better for my needs at the moment, not because I know every single device out there but because I know what I need my phone for, and the Focus S ticks all the boxes
So that's my advice, sit down, and write down what your phone MUST do, not what youd like it to do but MUST do, once you find a phone that does all of those things weigh up costs etc yes WP8 will be out soon, but do you NEED it, the answer may be no, but the flip side is that WP7 devices will drop in price so perhaps that's your best option.....anyhow, just food for thought
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Hmm good thoughts, but I disagree.
With things as luxurious as cell phones, the wants are what's most important. Cause if you go by "needs", then I'll be getting a simple feature phone, or a low end Android. Because I don't care who you are, no one needs resolution even as high as 800x480. What I "need" are email and text capabilities. I think the RAZR circa 2004 had that.
What I want is not what WP can provide right now. I know HD screens are approved, but welcome to 2011, as we head into 2013. They'll always be a step behind. Will WP8 have HDMI out? x264 support? Working DLNA? wifi hotspot? Doing away with software and just allowing drag and drop? Motion (press screen and move your hand around)?
I've been to the threads and looked at the features we've seen so far and it's just what should have been included in October 2010. The saying "wait for the next update", has been given as an excuse for every single update.
Just waiting now for news of the Note 2. Berlin is like 5 hours ahead of EST isn't it? I would've thought it'd be revealed by now.
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Ah, it's 1pm for the reveal. Leaked pictures look pretty sick.

Loco5150 said:
Yes exactly my thoughts also on RIM. I dont want to switch to an OS that most likely will not be around anymore in few years. Before Nokia announced MS partnership I was expecting Meego to be the thing for me. I really hope hope WP8 is meeting my expectations and I wouldnt have to move to Android.
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Seriously, it would be nice to be with a solid performer.
Meego looked cool, and Bada looked promising as well. C'est la vie I guess.

Android really has come a long way
Personally I didn't really like stock Android without sense till ics. It changed everything. Battery is meh compared to I phone, but with a custom kernel I can get ~12 hours with 1-2 hours screen on if I stick with lte. With jb its really smooth too I'd recommend a Nexus if you want os support. I have an HTC Rezound and htc is really poor with updates. If you are willing to root a toro/maguro will be supported for years. If not, you should at least get a year more of updates since the phone came out last November.
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^ it'll get more than a year of support. Nexus S, two years old still getting love.
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Seriously, it would be nice to be with a solid performer.
Meego looked cool, and Bada looked promising as well. C'est la vie I guess.
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The N9 meego was awesome. Samsung killed Bada due to poor sales, but it sold more than WP7.
I'm wanting to see what the Jolla guys do later this year.
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Hmm good thoughts, but I disagree.
With things as luxurious as cell phones, the wants are what's most important. Cause if you go by "needs", then I'll be getting a simple feature phone, or a low end Android. Because I don't care who you are, no one needs resolution even as high as 800x480. What I "need" are email and text capabilities. I think the RAZR circa 2004 had that.
What I want is not what WP can provide right now. I know HD screens are approved, but welcome to 2011, as we head into 2013. They'll always be a step behind. Will WP8 have HDMI out? x264 support? Working DLNA? wifi hotspot? Doing away with software and just allowing drag and drop? Motion (press screen and move your hand around)?
I've been to the threads and looked at the features we've seen so far and it's just what should have been included in October 2010. The saying "wait for the next update", has been given as an excuse for every single update.
Just waiting now for news of the Note 2. Berlin is like 5 hours ahead of EST isn't it? I would've thought it'd be revealed by now.
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Ah, it's 1pm for the reveal. Leaked pictures look pretty sick.
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Ah but usability is the main point here, HDMI, x264, DLNA, NFC are all features that are completely meaningless for many of us, you are absolutely right that a feature phone from 2004 would have done all that I need, but my phone does it better, quicker and a lot more efficiently! but that is my point if you NEED HDMI then that becomes a tick box that must be met, if it is a "oh that's a cool feature" then it shouldn't be a main tick box otherwise you'll be a mug for marketing and end up spending more on stuff you don't NEED.
All those folk out there with quad core phones are a prime example, slapping a quad core in my phone will make absolutely no difference at all in the slightest and I question anyone that doesn't play games or encode video on there phone to tell me that it does make a difference, its a great marketing tool though, its QUAD core guys, its X4 better than a single core, you MUST have this, and people lap it up, hook line and sinker

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HDMI, x264, DLNA, NFC are all features that are completely meaningless for many of us
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:good:
I am completely satisfied with my HD7 and NextGen 3.3 ROM, two things I miss in everyday life: Teamviewer and how to KILL SMS toast notification...

Officially Sold out

Motorola has come out and said the watch is sold out and to expect “availability may be limited for a while.”
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...ects-limited-availability-for-a-while_id60341
If LG has their units ready to go, and priced right, this could put a damper on the 360 sales. Moto better start producing more quickly.
Clearly they were not ready for this launch.

spridell said:
Motorola has come out and said the watch is sold out and to expect “availability may be limited for a while.”
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...ects-limited-availability-for-a-while_id60341
If LG has their units ready to go, and priced right, this could put a damper on the 360 sales. Moto better start producing more quickly.
Clearly they were not ready for this launch.
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I have no idea why they werent ready. There was an article out almost everyday talking about the hype. How annoying is it that I am there waiting for the buy now link to go live and as soon as it does...I have to backorder it.

spridell said:
Motorola has come out and said the watch is sold out and to expect “availability may be limited for a while.”
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Moto...ects-limited-availability-for-a-while_id60341
If LG has their units ready to go, and priced right, this could put a damper on the 360 sales. Moto better start producing more quickly.
Clearly they were not ready for this launch.
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This is so pathetic. They've been hyping this thing for SIX MONTHS!! They announced it two months ago. How could they possibly not have enough units ready to go? It's sad really.

Who's getting one?

Hey all
Along with many other manufacturers, Asus has thrown its latest smartwatch into the wild. On the face of it the device looks sleek, with a leather strap rather than the plastic ones we're seeing with a lot of other smartwatches. Its expected to be around the 200 Euro mark, and although not as fully featured as devices such as the Samsung Gear S, the price point seems about right for the feature set and specifications. Has Asus done enough to tempt anybody?

I've had an LG for about 2 months.. yeah i think i'll sell it and go the zenwatch

I was going to but I got impatient and I went with the G Watch. so far I am very pleased with it.

Really liked this watch in pics but they were taking too long. So I got a 360.

jayr04 said:
Really liked this watch in pics but they were taking too long. So I got a 360.
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how is it?

senectus said:
how is it?
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I love it. Convenient to just glance at your wrist to see info instead of having to pull out your phone. And the abundance of custom faces keeps it exciting because you can have a different look everyday.

I'm really struggling with myself not to get a LG G Watch or Moto 360 - How the struggle ends, depends on when Asus start shipping. I've preordered the Zenwatch at expansys, but the news that there'll be only 300 released in the first batch has dampened my high hopes....

ZilverZurfarn said:
I'm really struggling with myself not to get a LG G Watch or Moto 360 - How the struggle ends, depends on when Asus start shipping. I've preordered the Zenwatch at expansys, but the news that there'll be only 300 released in the first batch has dampened my high hopes....
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Is that actually confirmed by Asus? I only saw an article with no official source. Just a claim.
I can't see Asus only releasing 300 in the first batch. That would be a joke. I'm sure they have 300 already that are being used as demo devices.
The article in question is this one: http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/asus-zenwatch-limited-release/
Because we all know the accuracy of Chinese websites... [emoji57]

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Is that actually confirmed by Asus? I only saw an article with no official source. Just a claim.]
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Yes, that's what I'm hoping for too. A batch of 300 just wouldn't make sense. Unless they are completely hand crafted, making 300 or 300.000 should really make no difference, once you can assemble a single one. For my peace of mind, I'll stick to the theory that 300 units is bull poo.

Ive preordered one but disappointed about the only 300 rumour and not likely in volume before 2015. Come on asus, get them out there...

ZilverZurfarn said:
Yes, that's what I'm hoping for too. A batch of 300 just wouldn't make sense. Unless they are completely hand crafted, making 300 or 300.000 should really make no difference, once you can assemble a single one. For my peace of mind, I'll stick to the theory that 300 units is bull poo.
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Unless there's a shortage of components. Seeing as most of these watches appear to have the same innards that could be an issue?
300 does seem to be deliberately contrary though! Might cancel my pre-order and get the new Microsoft watch instead, just to spite any manufaturers trying to play the market.
No updates though?

bonerp said:
Ive preordered one but disappointed about the only 300 rumour and not likely in volume before 2015. Come on asus, get them out there...
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http://www.gsmarena.com/asus_japan_teases_a_launch_of_a_phone_and_a_smartwatch-news-10007.php

Oh - I just jizzed in my pants! Looks legit: http://shop.asus.co.jp/teaser/

This will be the first product I buy new in many, many years. For a long time now, I've always bought second-hand. But I want this watch so much I will be buying it as soon as it becomes available. Originally, I thought I would be buying the Apple Watch, but once again the greedy ****s have priced their product beyond reasonable. That, and I don't have an iPhone anymore (no big loss).
I actually have a Moto 360 on the way because I got tired of waiting. As soon as I can get my hands on the ZenWatch, I'll sell the 360.

I'd actually wait in a line to buy this watch.

I think I'm gonna pick this watch up along with a gear s when ever that is released

Looks like it's being released today in Japan. Anybody know if the Zen can make voice calls?

More like "late November" as far as i can tell.
http://shop.asus.co.jp/zenfone/#Zenwatch

Yeah, well the 300 number was right, for the price anyway:
"ASUS is October 28, has announced it will launch Android Wear equipped with smart watch "ASUS ZenWatch" the (WI500Q-BR04) in late November. Assumed actual sales price 29,800 yen (tax not included)."
**** that.
http://translate.google.ca/translat...-android-wear-zenwatch-11-2-9800/&prev=search

Wtf didn't they say it will cost less then $200??
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[Q] Should I Get a Moto 360 Now or Wait for v2

The Moto 360 was released in September of 2014. We're in almost June of 2015. Am I too late to buy the Moto 360? What I mean by that is: Should I hold out for v2?
Originally, I was on the pre-order list due to my excitement. But I voluntarily left due to some financial challenges that came my way. Now that I have spending money again I'm exploring the possibility of getting the Moto 360.
I should say that I am by no means a professional developer. But I am a huge wrist watch fan. I own several Nixon, Citizen, Fossil, and a Rolex. Will I get the same wow factor out of this watch when I wear it? Will I find it useful in my every day life? Mainly work and family life.
I've also missed some really good deals, including when Radioshack sold them for $100!
Your opinion on this matter would be most appreciated. Thank you.

I think you should wait but then again the prices have dropped for the current version so it just depends on you ultimately...

If you are low on funds, just get the 360.
If you can afford to pay full price and tax for a new one, it'll be worth waiting until at least Google IO to see what releases. Things have changed now that the potential new 360 might have just passed BT certification.

I got mine a few weeks ago, and it looks and functions very well. Should you wait for the second gen? A wise man might wait for a release date on the second gen, then buy the first gen in time to return it if you really want the second. Reviews might be out by then too, which might help you decide.
Will it wow you? I have never worn a watch for more than two days in my life. Now I never leave home without it. For that reason alone I say it might. If it can turn me into a watch wearer, it's a solid product.
I never try and justify my purchases; if the product blows then it blows. The Moto 360 is good kit. As always, YMMV.

Both. .

At this point its worth waiting, which is what I decided to do.

I like that idea actually. Buy the first gen and try it out, if I don't like it I can return it (within the terms of return) for a refund and put it towards the second gen. Thank you!

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If you are low on funds, just get the 360.
If you can afford to pay full price and tax for a new one, it'll be worth waiting until at least Google IO to see what releases. Things have changed now that the potential new 360 might have just passed BT certification.
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Good Idea, wait and see what gets announce at Google IO. Thanks!

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The Moto 360 was released in September of 2014.
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Get the first gen at the best discount you can get it. Value for money is even better for a first gen at $130 or so versus a second gen at $250+. But you may want to wait to see if the 5.1 update with Wi-Fi and always-on screen still allows one full day of battery life (which I kind of doubt). If the new features are almost unusable due to battery drain, you may want to wait for the second gen. If the new update also comes with battery life improvements from Motorola then I suspect the first gen will be again in high demand
Like Steve Jobs once said: "it's the software, stupid !"

I just got one yesterday, with clubcard boost. If you want it now, get it. I don't get this hanging around malarchy, there's always new tech around the corner.

I would check to see if there are any Radio shacks in the second wave of closing - I picked up my 360 for $125, and they just received a few more that day (no idea why a closing store is receiving expensive product, but......). For full price, it was iffy. For close to $100, it was a no brainer...

I would wait for v2. Mine was already two times in repair because of the cracked back so unfortunatley I will have to sell it and wait for new 360.

Cst79 said:
Get the first gen at the best discount you can get it. Value for money is even better for a first gen at $130 or so versus a second gen at $250+. But you may want to wait to see if the 5.1 update with Wi-Fi and always-on screen still allows one full day of battery life (which I kind of doubt). If the new features are almost unusable due to battery drain, you may want to wait for the second gen. If the new update also comes with battery life improvements from Motorola then I suspect the first gen will be again in high demand
Like Steve Jobs once said: "it's the software, stupid !"
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Where did you manage to find it at 130$?
Thanks

I'd wait. I picked mine up a month ago. I love it, wear it everyday, but I wish I would have held off. Watch + screen protector + BB insurance = cost of 2nd gen.. Kinda depends if your budget.
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I grabbed one 4 days ago. You can easily find them at $179 and occasionally at $130. At that reduced price it's ok to grab one now IMO. v2 may or maynot come out soon but this is a capable watch that has shown to hold up well.
If you get it from Amazon you'll have 30 days to decide if it's right for you.

mcampos7 said:
I'd wait. I picked mine up a month ago. I love it, wear it everyday, but I wish I would have held off. Watch + screen protector + BB insurance = cost of 2nd gen.. Kinda depends if your budget.
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apples to oranges?
cost of v2 + screen protector + BB insurance = way more than what you spent
Kinda curious how you know the cost of v2 anyhow share

Just remember, the v2 will be running the same Android Wear software as the current Moto360. I'm sure the new device will be faster, have a better screen, and a better battery life. But I doubt it'll change your life any more than the current 360 would. I got a great deal on mine at roughly $100, and for that it's great. For $100 it's worth it to me just to be able to stream music to my BT headphones when I'm jogging. But otherwise I consider Android Wear a little awkward. The Google Now notifications are pretty poorly managed, "tilt to wake" doesn't work well enough, the whole user experience of Android Wear is poor, and I'm constantly nervous about using features that will drain the battery. If I bought this thing at full price then I'd be disappointed with it, but at $100 it's a fun toy. I believe it's still the best looking smart watch on the market, so I enjoy wearing it.

I wanted to buy even with the imminent v2. The $150 price at Best Buy helped me make my decision as was the ability to get it with the Cognac strap.

wait google io

Moto 360... $135.00!!
Best Buy has $100 off Moto 360 making the leather strap version $149.99 and the steel one $199.99. Add to this the USPS "movers" coupon (free at the post office with no registration required!) and you can pick up the leather for $135 or the steel for $180!

G5S plus..

Anyone else a little annoyed they're releasing a new version already with dual camera for almost the same price that the standard plus released with? I know it's still basically the same phone with a slightly larger screen and improved? Camera. But I'm definitely a little peeved

Yup it is a little annoying but Lenovo seem hell bent on having more models in the market than anyone else.

I am also a little annoyed by it. Planned obsoleteness at it's finest.

joshk89 said:
Anyone else a little annoyed they're releasing a new version already with dual camera for almost the same price that the standard plus released with? I know it's still basically the same phone with a slightly larger screen and improved? Camera. But I'm definitely a little peeved
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Nope. As with many things electronics if you wait a day, week, month, year, something better will come along. One can either choose to wait and wait for the newest best thing and never buy anything, or they can buy now and not worry about it. As with many things as new products are introduced existing products are reduced in price (or discontinued).
The rumored specs of the soon to be released new Moto phones have been circulating for a few months now. One could have waited to buy the new phone if they wanted. <shrugs>
My only concern with Moto introducing so many different models of phones is their support (firmware updates, bug fixes) for all phones will suffer. In typical Motorola fashion, the updates/fixes for the Moto G5 Plus are already lagging months behind.

itslels said:
I am also a little annoyed by it. Planned obsoleteness at it's finest.
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This is not planned obsolescence. Releasing a successor to this device does not change a single thing about this devices performance or usability.

bennor3814 said:
Nope. As with many things electronics if you wait a day, week, month, year, something better will come along.
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I cant think of another handset being superseded after only 5 months, 12 months you can understand but 5 is taking the micky.
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username8611 said:
This is not planned obsolescence. Releasing a successor to this device does not change a single thing about this devices performance or usability.
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No it just leave you with an inferior product that you paid around the same for.

username8611 said:
This is not planned obsolescence. Releasing a successor to this device does not change a single thing about this devices performance or usability.
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Yeah, the thing is, it still kinda is. They know people want the newest, best stuff. No reason that the G5 plus couldn't of had these little extra features they've added to the G5S. But this way, they get even more money out of people because they know they will buy it.

MrBelter said:
I cant think of another handset being superseded after only 5 months, 12 months you can understand but 5 is taking the micky.
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No it just leave you with an inferior product that you paid around the same for.
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Yeah, the thing is, it still kinda is. They know people want the newest, best stuff. No reason that the G5 plus couldn't of had these little extra features they've added to the G5S. But this way, they get even more money out of people because they know they will buy it.
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No, it isn't. The device still has the same specs. Just because something came out with the same price and slightly higher specs doesn't mean our phones have been downgraded. It doesn't change the performance of the phone. What they ARE doing, however, is taking advantage of people's lack of self control and tech addictions. They can come out with a SD835, 6GB RAM model tomorrow for $50 less than what I paid for my G5 plus and I wouldn't care the slightest bit. I love my devices and I love technology, but if you always have to have the absolute best technology or absolute best deal at all points in time, you will never be happy and will constantly complain when technology moves forwards and you failed to predict the next item being released.

Not really, we all knew what we got when we bought this phone. Its not an powerhouse, it doesn't have the best camera, its just a good decent phone. If they slapped the Lenovo tag on it it wouldn't be such a big deal.
It's still a good phone that you can easily use for 2 years. Plus the specs are nearly the same so I am guessing the software is going to be pretty close together too. If they just keep rolling out updates I really don't see the problem.

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No, it isn't. The device still has the same specs. Just because something came out with the same price and slightly higher specs doesn't mean our phones have been downgraded.
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If it was the same spec it would be called the Moto G5 Plus, clearly there are differences to make it yet another model.

So then, bigger screen, better camera(s) full metal body and the same price as what the G5 Plus was.
We've been shafted lads and lasses.

MrBelter said:
So then, bigger screen, better camera(s) full metal body and the same price as what the G5 Plus was.
We've been shafted lads and lasses.
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Welcome to the world to the world of technology.
You can always sell your G5 Plus and buy the G5S Plus, no big deal

GtrCraft said:
Welcome to the world to the world of technology.
You can always sell your G5 Plus and buy the G5S Plus, no big deal
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You are talking cobblers fella, even in the world of technology 6 months is a short period of time for a product to be superseded, not even greedy Apple have the balls to pull that stunt.

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You are talking cobblers fella, even in the world of technology 6 months is a short period of time for a product to be superseded, not even greedy Apple have the balls to pull that stunt.
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Oneplus did, Samsung did, HTC did. 6 months is long in the world of tech, sometimes in a couple weeks something better is out

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You are talking cobblers fella, even in the world of technology 6 months is a short period of time for a product to be superseded, not even greedy Apple have the balls to pull that stunt.
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6 months is a very long time in the tech world. Most flagship device at least comes down one third in price in 6 months. In comparison I have to say that g5 retained some good value.
Moreover I am not seeing it as a big update either.
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No not really... This phone works fine and it'll continue working fine even when that new model comes out.

In my opinion it's not a replacement of the g5 plus but it's a different phone in the same lineup. For example I haven't considered the g5 plus because of the screen that is too small for me, but I'm definitely considering to buy this one.
I'm just waiting to see how the g5s plus performs in real life and how much community support it will have.

Sorry to resuscitate such an old thread but I was just wondering how hard it would be to port a ROM over for the g5s+ or if there might be Dev support for it. The specs look EXACTLY the same except for the better camera and bigger display. If there will be Dev support I might be interested in buying one as they're on sale for the holidays.

Why do people say the S plus is a better camera?
Just because it has two doesn't make it better.

eemgee said:
Why do people say the S plus is a better camera?
Just because it has two doesn't make it better.
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Right! From all reports I've seen, the G5S+ camera does not perform well. However, I understand the camera 2 api is enabled on that device, so I'm very annoyed that it's not on the G5+. But in hardware terms, the G5S+ is a big yawn, for me.
As far as I'm concerned dual cameras are nothing but a gimmick, in most cases. There are a few implementations that work well, but most are hit or miss. Coupled with a screen that's larger than I want, it all adds up to an unappealing package. Obviously, others' mileage varies.