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Hey,
So I keep hearing a lot of complaints that the Note 4 processor does not support 64bit (nor does Android 4.4), however, why does that really matter. The Note 4 has 3GB of RAM, not 4GB of RAM, therefore 64bit is not required.
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Well, it's more that the chipset does support 64bit. 64bit is coming to Android, I believe the upcoming version.
The big deal is you can process more information at once on 64bit versus 32bit at one time; actually double. It really doesn't have do with ram. Although ram can be important for storing information to be processed or has been processed. I don't know if Android has the ram issue like Windows does with 32bit versus 64bit; I would look to Linux for an indicator.
This will be more important when we're getting true eight core mobile devices. Real speed doesn't come clock speeds, it's more about the numbers and buses. This is all first semester or basic computer classes everyone has to take in college.
Even though 64-bit is the next big step in smartphone evolution you wont see a night and day difference right out of the gate. The OS, the apps, the UI elements all need to be written and optimized for that architecture. The Note 5 and the S6 will almost certainly have 64-bit processors but that does not mean that suddenly the Note 4 and S5 will be obsolete overnight. If you upgrade every 2 years then the Note 4 should hold its own during that two years.
If the nexus 6 won't come with 64 bit then it's not that important for android right now in the early stages in converting to 64 bit. Android L is just a building block for what's to come.
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Well, it's more that the chipset does support 64bit. 64bit is coming to Android, I believe the upcoming version.
The big deal is you can process more information at once on 64bit versus 32bit at one time; actually double. It really doesn't have do with ram. Although ram can be important for storing information to be processed or has been processed. I don't know if Android has the ram issue like Windows does with 32bit versus 64bit; I would look to Linux for an indicator.
This will be more important when we're getting true eight core mobile devices. Real speed doesn't come clock speeds, it's more about the numbers and buses. This is all first semester or basic computer classes everyone has to take in college.
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No that's not even close to correct.
32 bit and 64 bit have to do with how much memory the processor can address in a cycle. The Amount of memory a 64bit processor can address is about 4billion times as much physical memory. 4gigs is the cap for 32 bit. Which is fine for most applications. I have not seen one smart phone that has that much ram, so at the moment there is no inherent benefit to 64bit processing. Just because the memory addressing capability is there, doesn't mean we can or are going to use it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgiMzKb8dD0
You really won't see a benefit from 64bit in any device until they start using > 4gigs of ram
Not even an issue until the next, or even the next next, upgrade.... Let the community catch up.
Unless you need to be on the cutting edge... Like the saps that bought into 4k with the lack of 4k programming.
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32 bit and 64 bit have to do with how much memory the processor can address in a cycle. .... at the moment there is no inherent benefit to 64bit processing. Just because the memory addressing capability is there, doesn't mean we can or are going to use it. ...
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32 bit vs 64 bit is about bus between the CPU and RAM. This is first semester computer science topic. Everything you talked about is about how it's implemented. I don't know why 4GB of RAM is the minimum of RAM for 64bit systems. I assume it's about efficiencies over 32bit systems. But nonetheless, it's about how much data can be transferred to the CPU at one time.
It's only a matter of time before mobiles devices have 4GB of RAM.
IYet, we all agree, it makes little difference until the applications, and OS, are written and designed to make use of the 64bit architecture.
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The big deal is you can process more information at once on 64bit versus 32bit at one time; actually double. It really doesn't have do with ram.
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It really does have to do with RAM though, for a couple of reasons. First, having a larger integer size doesn't really equate to processing things faster in most everyday applications. If you were working with really large numbers it might, but in general it's not really a big draw. Numbers under ~4 billion will process just as quickly on a 32 bit machine as on a 64 bit one. The big draw of 64 bit is definitely being able to address more memory.
Here's the second reason 64 bit matters in regards to RAM: in 64 bit, everything is bigger. Your pointers in memory are now 64 bits long instead of 32 bits (taking twice the space). So are integers. When an application that was 32 bit is recompiled to 64 bit, you can as much as double the amount of RAM is uses while running, even if nothing else changes.
So for me personally, if I don't have more than 4 GB of RAM on my phone, I actually don't want 64 bit processors or applications, because the RAM that I do have is going to be used up more quickly by the larger pointers and integers being stored. I'd personally want to stay away from it until I have a phone with more than 4 GB of RAM, because it's not until you hit that point that 64 bit makes much sense.
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I don't know why 4GB of RAM is the minimum of RAM for 64bit systems. I assume it's about efficiencies over 32bit systems.
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Again, it's because 64 bit applications can take as much as double the amount of RAM when they are running due to those larger pointer sizes. If you have a small amount of RAM, you do not want to waste it holding large 64 bit numbers. You want to wait until you have an actual need (such as having more than 4 GB of memory, which is the maximum a 32 bit system can address) before you make the jump to 64 bit. Otherwise, you lose more than you gain.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you about the need for RAM in the 64bit architecture. I'm not a programmer, and I know even less about low level programming, which is where more your arguments hold.
With that said, you have implied that it's possible to have 64bit system with less than 4GB of ram. You explained there would probably be more inefficiencies than the benefits gained from being able to process more data at once or at least the system would not run in the most beneficial ways for the end user.
Thus, I still hold big deal about 64bit system is about the amount of information that can be processed at one time. In tech today, it's not really about clock speeds any more. It's about the number of cores and bus size. RAM is important, but not they key, in that it's needed to supported these keys.
In this debate, obviously we may be arguing which came first, the chicken or the egg. We could have more than 4GB RAM in a 32 bit system, but what benefits does it hold? Yet, without the RAM, what benefits can be had from a 64bit system.
Personally, I would like to see a nice otco-core device. I do find mobile chipsets quite fascinating in what they have and can do versus PC counterparts. I just wish, in general, they put a little more GPU power in general in the mobile chips like NVivia does.
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Personally, I would like to see a nice otco-core device. I do find mobile chipsets quite fascinating in what they have and can do versus PC counterparts. I just wish, in general, they put a little more GPU power in general in the mobile chips like NVivia does.
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Snapdragon next yr will release an octo core 64 bit. The processor for the note 5 will most likely be the sd 810, octo core,64 bit + 4 gb of Samsung's newest ram. Also the screen will probably be 2k again, but even more perfected.
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Snapdragon next yr will release an octo core 64 bit. The processor for the note 5 will most likely be the sd 810, octo core,64 bit + 4 gb of Samsung's newest ram. Also the screen will probably be 2k again, but even more perfected.
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I'll most likely skip the Note 5, but will probably go Note 6, assuming something, I find, better doesn't come along. I could always use some more screen real estate and some true multi window action like the desktop/laptop OS gives, What can I say, I'm quirky in my demands, and maybe, just maybe, unrealistic is useful features for Joe Public.
how much does it concern you that the 5X may only have 2GB of RAM according to the latest leaks?
If it becomes official will that change your mind about buying this phone?
I would still buy it but having only 2gb of ram but only if the price is right. They can forget about charging $400 for it, the current rumored specs are almost identical performance wise to a nexus 5 and those can be had for $200 used.
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I would still buy it but having only 2gb of ram but only if the price is right. They can forget about charging $400 for it, the current rumored specs are almost identical performance wise to a nexus 5 and those can be had for $200 used.
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is the 808 not still a good bit better then the 800?
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how much does it concern you that the 5X may only have 2GB of RAM according to the latest leaks?
If it becomes official will that change your mind about buying this phone?
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It's probably a deal breaker for me... A phone with 2 gb of ram is not future proof.. I would consider the 6p instead, but I hope it doesn't feel huge in the hand...
Otherwise my only hope is that the 2gb is for the lower 16 gb model only, and the 32 gb one has 3gb of ram....
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I was reading the op title as "2/3rds of a GB" lol. But seriously, I'm fine with either. I want the typical smooth fluid Nexus experience. However they achieve that, whether 2 or 3 GB of RAM, I'm good with it.
what if it's $349 for 16GB and $399 for a 32GB but both 2gb ram.
is it still worth it?
People don't even know how the phone runs yet and are already calling it garbage. Lol. Oh, you people.
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My usage today is usually shy of 1GB. 2GB is fine. I'm more concerned about battery life, quick charge and camera quality and speed.
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is the 808 not still a good bit better then the 800?
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A bit better yes, but not a whole lot better like the 810.
Well I know for a fact that 2gb is not enough for my usage. To be more specific, when I use something like my car Appradio, and need to run ARUnchained on Bluetooth, with Spotify and Maps, along with casting screen, the phone doesn't last more than 5 mins without either dropping the cast screen, or rebooting.
On the flip side, the OnePlus one, which has just 1gb more Ram holds a very stable screencast, so yea... To each their own, but I'm thinking they will do 16gb with 2gb Ram, or 32gb with 3gb Ram, the same as they did with the LG G3...
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The Moto X Pure looks like a better option at this point. Same cpu except larger battery and screen. And 3gb ram. Although larger screen may be a deal breaker
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I think if the phone turns out to have 2 gigs of RAM, I'd consider the Huawei variant.. I want that 3GB, it IS an upgrade.. Xposed is really ram hungry and I use dozens of modules.. Not to mention so many mods, custom rom w/ CM's theme engine and animation tweaks on my Nexus 5 2013, I normally have just about 235MBs of RAM remaining in average use which makes for a really laggy experience but I still live with it, judge me. So yeah, I want 3GBs of RAM.. I'm leaning towards the Nexus 6P because according to the rumors it does seem like a powerhouse compared to the LG one.. Just hope the development team is as engrossed in the 6P as it might be in the 5X .. I don't know why but something is keeping me from giving a 100% to Huawei.
I think we have nothing to worry about. There will be two versions of this phone. One will have 16gb and 2gb of ram and the other will have 32gb and 3gb of ram. The one that was outed on Amazon might be the overseas version with the lower specs. The
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All will be revealed on 9/29. It's all just inaccurate speculation until then. No need to get all bent out of shape yet.
My money is on 3GB being available, though.
i'm fine with 2 variants as long as I can get 3gb or more. if not, ill have to choose a different phone myself as well.
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I think we have nothing to worry about. There will be two versions of this phone. One will have 16gb and 2gb of ram and the other will have 32gb and 3gb of ram. The one that was outed on Amazon might be the overseas version with the lower specs. The
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And why should the overseas version has lower specs? Are you crazy?
Is there any chance of 64bit OS on future official major updates?
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Are there any developers who are working to make a 64 bit OS ROM for the Z Play?
Though the hardware is 64 bit but does the Z Play have ability to run 64 bit OS or it can run only 32 bit OS because of 3GB RAM.
Help will be appreciated!
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Is there any chance of 64bit OS on future official major updates?
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Are there any developers who are working to make a 64 bit OS ROM for the Z Play?
Though the hardware is 64 bit but does the Z Play have ability to run 64 bit OS or it can run only 32 bit OS because of 3GB RAM.
Help will be appreciated!
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The mobile industry moved to 64-bit processors a couple of years back.
So, pretty much all new mobile processors will be 64-bit, and that includes the Snapdragon 625.
However, as you would be aware, the key benefit of having 64-bit processor is to allow a larger address space, and by extension a larger RAM.
However, the Snapdragon 625 employs a 1x32 LPDDR3 interface at 933MHz. Therefore, the theoretical maximum RAM that it can support is up to 4MHz
In conclusion, while you may have a processor capable of 64-bit execution, the RAM is limited to a max of 4GB.
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The mobile industry moved to 64-bit processors a couple of years back.
So, pretty much all new mobile processors will be 64-bit, and that includes the Snapdragon 625.
However, as you would be aware, the key benefit of having 64-bit processor is to allow a larger address space, and by extension a larger RAM.
However, the Snapdragon 625 employs a 1x32 LPDDR3 interface at 933MHz. Therefore, the theoretical maximum RAM that it can support is up to 4MHz
In conclusion, while you may have a processor capable of 64-bit execution, the RAM is limited to a max of 4GB.
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In simple words, it can't run 64 bit os?
Yash24 said:
In simple words, it can't run 64 bit os?
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If you figured that out already, it takes the fun out of researching and learning. (Google in your fiend)
If you would have just gotten a "No" I am sure it would have generated more questions, so I thought I nip it in the butt and give a full explanation.
What benefit​ are you expecting from 64bit OS? More is not always faster or better
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Jimi Mack said:
The mobile industry moved to 64-bit processors a couple of years back.
So, pretty much all new mobile processors will be 64-bit, and that includes the Snapdragon 625.
However, as you would be aware, the key benefit of having 64-bit processor is to allow a larger address space, and by extension a larger RAM.
However, the Snapdragon 625 employs a 1x32 LPDDR3 interface at 933MHz. Therefore, the theoretical maximum RAM that it can support is up to 4MHz
In conclusion, while you may have a processor capable of 64-bit execution, the RAM is limited to a max of 4GB.
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Hi , pardon my ignorance, but iOS runs 64 bit with 2 GB RAM, so technically should be possible to enable 64 bit in 3GB RAM?
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Zeljko1234 said:
What benefit​ are you expecting from 64bit OS? More is not always faster or better
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More than performance, it is future updates ..Both iOS and android will become 64 bit only soon..Android O may only be 64 bit , who knows ..not sure if we will get an update then
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Hi , pardon my ignorance, but iOS runs 64 bit with 2 GB RAM, so technically should be possible to enable 64 bit in 3GB RAM?
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It Is not the size but the type of ram used on the MZP from what I read.
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More than performance, it is future updates ..Both iOS and android will become 64 bit only soon..Android O may only be 64 bit , who knows ..not sure if we will get an update then
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OK, from that point makes sense. Even I don't think that will switch just over night/release.
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It Is not the size but the type of ram used on the MZP from what I read.
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Hmm, RAM should not be 32bit/64bit. I mean, could be from addressing perspective but would be weird to use 64bit CPU, especially SoC, without ability to address memory the same way. But on another hand, could be. Qualcomm may have generic CPU design and pack with cheaper memory...
Interesting discussion, indeed
While this does apply to everything - 64 bit OS's are generally targeted to systems with 4GB of RAM or more.
The 64 bit instructions/code are actually larger as well as they still need to contain a copy of the 32 bit code for backwards compatibility.
What this means is that while running a 64 bit OS >may< allow a phone to run faster, do more, address more memory, etc - it NEEDS more RAM and storage to be able to do this effectively.
So if you did run 64 bit on the phone - it could be slower since 3GB of RAM may not have enough memory to keep up.
I would have to assume that Motorola/Lenovo may have done some testing on this before making their choice - it's not like the 32 bit OS was cheaper then the 64 bit OS. (but RAM does cost...)
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While this does apply to everything - 64 bit OS's are generally targeted to systems with 4GB of RAM or more.
The 64 bit instructions/code are actually larger as well as they still need to contain a copy of the 32 bit code for backwards compatibility.
What this means is that while running a 64 bit OS >may< allow a phone to run faster, do more, address more memory, etc - it NEEDS more RAM and storage to be able to do this effectively.
So if you did run 64 bit on the phone - it could be slower since 3GB of RAM may not have enough memory to keep up.
I would have to assume that Motorola/Lenovo may have done some testing on this before making their choice - it's not like the 32 bit OS was cheaper then the 64 bit OS. (but RAM does cost...)
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Yea!
The worst thing is that there is still no methods available to run 64 bit app in 32 bit device or OS.
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Yea!
The worst thing is that there is still no methods available to run 64 bit app in 32 bit device or OS.
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That would be a nightmare, like trying to put a scooter engine into a semi - sure you could do it but it would be pointless if you wanted to get anything done.
Agree with your previous post except "they still need to contain a copy of the 32 bit code for backwards compatibility". AFAIK, 64bit apps do not have 32bit code. That would be crazy, each application will be more than double in size. Rest is true, CPU instructions are usually larger, registers have double size... I remember very well when desktop switched to 64bit. People got excited, everyone thought that more is better but depends of the app, could be opposite.
64 bits make sense when big numbers have to be processed. Very simplified example, 8bit CPU can do the math of bigger number than 255 (2^8, 0-255) but has to do that in more steps, more instructions, more access to the primary memory... 16bit CPU can do the math of up to 65535 (2^16) with, let say, one instruction. For bigger numbers, again the same approach with subroutine. You got the point, more bit CPU, faster for bigger numbers.
But 32bits was more than enough for years on desktop, 64bit came and used mainly to address more than 4GB even 32bit CPU can address more than 4GB as well. Not as simple and fast as native 64bit but it can. Even 8bit CPU can address more. Early 8bit computers (ZX Spectrum Commodore 64...) were 8bit and it was normal to address up to 64kB (don't laugh, 64 kilo bytes ). In some variant even more, 128kB or more.
After all, question is do we have to process such huge numbers on the phones? Usually not. Even on desktop, usually not. Yes, games, virtual reality and such need a lot of processing but that's done on RISC based GPU part.
64 bit SoC and OS is mainly gimmick.
The biggest benefit to running 64-bit OS on MZP would be the ability to use the new Google Camera with HDR+.
Moto Z users are reporting a noticeable difference in camera quality. I wish we had that too
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The biggest benefit to running 64-bit OS on MZP would be the ability to use the new Google Camera with HDR+.
Moto Z users are reporting a noticeable difference in camera quality. I wish we had that too
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Yeah!
I want the google camera and dolphin emulator.
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Guyz, those who were telling that 64 bit is not possible in 3gb ram and Snapdragon 625, what about the Redmi 4 with 3gb ram and Snapdragon 430?
https://youtu.be/5kJtl-v0SE8
Does anyone know the difference with performance on something with 6GB vs 8GB? Negligible you think?
I remember a side by side of the S8+ with 4GB vs 6GB.
I guess really for double the storage & an extra 2GB of RAM for $60 more, it's almost a no brainer.
However, i'm just trying to get an idea from those of you who know more about RAM in phones than I do to chime in.
I'm also guessing it's normal to bump the RAM every time you bump the storage. At least I am starting to see that in some newer phones, (don't see a 128GB 5T with 6GB) but not all. You don't see the Pixels like that (and still with 4GB).
Seems to be RAM is all over the place & I always thought cost was the factor, but if OP can do 6GB & 8GB it doesn't appear to be that.
well, in my opinion, 6GB of RAM is more than enough for the average user. but if you're really really looking for performance, pick the 8GB version, obviously.
why they even have a model with 6gb/64gb.
I've seen a few comparisons of both version of the OnePlus 5. The device with 8GB of RAM was able to keep many more apps in memory (obviously). This led to much fewer app redraws.
I chose the 8GB option, because I want this phone to last me 2 years, and I am thinking about what may be needed for Android P and Android Q updates/ROMs in the future
The 8GB is for "power" users who cycle through a lot of apps
128 GB is for people who have a lot of apps and record a lot of video/need to store a lot of data
This is what the head of OnePlus marketing said in an interview. I don't think the 8GB is meant for future-proofing the phone
As explained in the interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4_zhRWHwk4
the_reckoner1_1 said:
The 8GB is for "power" users who cycle through a lot of apps
128 GB is for people who have a lot of apps and record a lot of video/need to store a lot of data
This is what the head of OnePlus marketing said in an interview. I don't think the 8GB is meant for future-proofing the phone
As explained in the interview here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4_zhRWHwk4
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I did see that interview. I know the intention is for power users, but it is my personal view that 8GBs will serve me better in the future, than 6GB.
I intend to use the phone for 2 years at least, and so if official updates stop after a year and a bit, I have the option to install a custom rom.
i'll go for the 64GB one, i currenlty have the OPO sandstone 64gb, and never handled to fill it. Also i dont really feel like 8gb ram are usefull atm...
8GB for me.
It's really 64gb vs 128 gb. 6 gb of ram is plenty. 8gb is for bragging rights only.
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It's really 64gb vs 128 gb. 6 gb of ram is plenty. 8gb is for bragging rights only.
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When the two were tested (side-by-side OnePlus 5), the 8GB model, naturally was able to keep many more apps in memory. Don't know if I would consider that bragging rights, but I would consider it better.
8GB is a gimmick, but hey, if you want it, the option is there lol.
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When the two were tested (side-by-side OnePlus 5), the 8GB model, naturally was able to keep many more apps in memory. Don't know if I would consider that bragging rights, but I would consider it better.
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Of course it's better. But is it that much better? I don't think so. I think the storage difference is more of a difference than the ram.
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Of course it's better. But is it that much better? I don't think so. I think the storage difference is more of a difference than the ram.
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I ordered the 8GB 128. Figured the storage was worth the $60 & the 2GB extra RAM was a bonus. Don't know if there will be any noticeable differences, but I don't care that much.
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I ordered the 8GB 128. Figured the storage was worth the $60 & the 2GB extra RAM was a bonus. Don't know if there will be any noticeable differences, but I don't care that much.
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Totally agree. For $60 you get double the storage and 2 gb of extra ram, why not. I just think those of us who go 6GB of ram will be just fine.
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I chose the 8GB option, because I want this phone to last me 2 years, and I am thinking about what may be needed for Android P and Android Q updates/ROMs in the future
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I feel the same way..can't wait til it gets here, ordered first thing this morning!
8gb for bragging right
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8gb for bragging right
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I rather brag about the pricing of the 5T =P
I went with the 8GB/128GB model because the 4GB/64GB of the S8+ Dual Sim was a deal breaker for me. I currently have 2 Samsung S6's with 64GB storage. I needed all that space to hold all the data imported from the 2 phones and have the dual sim functionality. If the S8+ DS had a 128GB variant, I would've considered purchasing that instead.
If like myself you have several play lists, root, rom, keep nandroids and titanium backups, and video its 128GB.
Just wanted to catch your opinion on the real benefits of buying the 16 GB variant as opposed to 12 GB model. Make abstraction of the storage capacity increase, just assume that you don't really need 512 GB as long as you have expandable storage (via microSD) to use if really needed.
I am thinking of arguments justifying the additional RAM increase, considering that 12 GB is already more than enough for multitasking., even for running 2-3 RAM-intensive games at the same time
Looking forward to your opinions! :good: Thank you!
More ram - better dex experience?
Better for "locking apps" in the ram (new feature I guess for s20 series).
Smoother gaming?
Better for recording 8k?
More ram for buffing video?
Buffing online radio?
20degrees said:
More ram - better dex experience?
Better for "locking apps" in the ram (new feature I guess for s20 series).
Smoother gaming?
Better for recording 8k?
More ram for buffing video?
Buffing online radio?
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Is the "locking apps" feature available for all S20 phones? Someone in the YouTube's had mentioned it was an ultra exclusive. Lots of times those guys are wrong though.
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Is the "locking apps" feature available for all S20 phones? Someone in the YouTube's had mentioned it was an ultra exclusive. Lots of times those guys are wrong though.
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Not sure. I'm getting the ultra so I couldn't care less. ?
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Not sure. I'm getting the ultra so I couldn't care less.
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So are you getting the 16 GB version?
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So are you getting the 16 GB version?
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Oh yeah. I wish they offered a 1tb version. I'd be all over that.
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Oh yeah. I wish they offered a 1tb version. I'd be all over that.
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Ok, but assuming that you don't run 2 games at a time, or use dex at the same time with 8K recording, or buffing online radio.... is the incremental 4 GB really worth buying? I mean obviously this depends on real world usage, but still...
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Ok, but assuming that you don't run 2 games at a time, or use dex at the same time with 8K recording, or buffing online radio.... is the incremental 4 GB really worth buying? I mean obviously this depends on real world usage, but still...
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Likely not worth it?
Also would depend how long you keep the phone? More ram would be a better future proofing option?
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Likely not worth it?
Also would depend how long you keep the phone? More ram would be a better future proofing option?
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Right point here. Future-proofing on this hardware is very tempting and viable.
I guess the real question is: if, let's say, you record 8K or buff high res video or run dex or play a high demanding game, BUT one at a time, with no superposition between such memory/processor-hungry apps, will the phone perform faster/smoother/more efficiently (battery-wise) in the 16 GB config, as opposed to 12 GB setup? Ignoring multitasking, focusing on single-tasking.
katolink said:
Right point here. Future-proofing on this hardware is very tempting and viable.
I guess the real question is: if, let's say, you record 8K or buff high res video or run dex or play a high demanding game, BUT one at a time, with no superposition between such memory/processor-hungry apps, will the phone perform faster/smoother/more efficiently (battery-wise) in the 16 GB config, as opposed to 12 GB setup? Ignoring multitasking, focusing on single-tasking.
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That's a good question. I don't think that can be answered without tests.
Definitely the bigger number. Bigger is always better, right?
What's future proofing?
Most of you will be trading your (S20 Ultra) in for a maxed out Note 20 in August, right?
cpufrost said:
Definitely the bigger number. Bigger is always better, right?
What's future proofing?
Most of you will be trading your (S20 Ultra) in for a maxed out Note 20 in August, right?
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Yes, bigger is generally better. The point is if bigger is really necessary or not (i.e. overkill) for certain usage patterns.
Future proofing means ensuring that you get the most advanced hardware/technology specs at a certain point in time in order to ensure that your device will not be outrun by future devices very time soon and will support more demanding future apps. In our case, if you buy the 16 GB variant, for sure you will not need to upgrade your phone for the next couple of years, RAM will likely be more than sufficient for running any apps that could possibly be launched in the future, no matter how memory intensive they would be.
I personally am not a Note fan, I don't use the sPen.
katolink said:
Just wanted to catch your opinion on the real benefits of buying the 16 GB variant as opposed to 12 GB model. Make abstraction of the storage capacity increase, just assume that you don't really need 512 GB as long as you have expandable storage (via microSD) to use if really needed.
I am thinking of arguments justifying the additional RAM increase, considering that 12 GB is already more than enough for multitasking., even for running 2-3 RAM-intensive games at the same time
Looking forward to your opinions! :good: Thank you!
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@ 16 gigs -
- In theory, yes better..
In practical usage, I highly,highly doubt it.
Well worth the extra RAM, I'm getting this phone 12GB purely because it's my main work tool and use some ram hungry apps all day, being able to put the main 3 in RAM with larger brighter screen and larger battery is well worth the money .
I spend 9 hours a day using a phone
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katolink said:
Yes, bigger is generally better. The point is if bigger is really necessary or not (i.e. overkill) for certain usage patterns.
Future proofing means ensuring that you get the most advanced hardware/technology specs at a certain point in time in order to ensure that your device will not be outrun by future devices very time soon and will support more demanding future apps. In our case, if you buy the 16 GB variant, for sure you will not need to upgrade your phone for the next couple of years, RAM will likely be more than sufficient for running any apps that could possibly be launched in the future, no matter how memory intensive they would be.
I personally am not a Note fan, I don't use the sPen.
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I was being sarcastic.
16GB is pure marketing, nothing more.
By the time 16GB is relevant on mobile devices, the CPU would be so outdated and slow.
Storage OTOH, matters more than anything.
8K video at decent bit rates; 200Mbps and up, uses a LOT of storage. As will better multichannel audio.
8K seems to be a gimmick at first but when you look at how much info you have in each frame, and there are 24 of them each second, it makes it so much easier to get a still from that video that simply wouldn't be possible by shooting pics with the regular snapper. Serious DSLR users are laughing, but you can't fit one in your pocket!
Storage irrelevant to me as everything I do is saved in the cloud
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Until you have no signal coverage.
As commented with he increase in camera specs it will consume a lot of data. 8K will default to internal memory so for me it's important.
bomp306 said:
Until you have no signal coverage.
As commented with he increase in camera specs it will consume a lot of data. 8K will default to internal memory so for me it's important.
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Internal memory or microSD card, which can be up to 1 TB. From this perspective, choosing the 16 GB RAM model just because it has 512 GB internal memory does not seem necessary. Well, unless you cannot use a memory card because you have 2 SIMs inserted in the hybrid slot and your carrier does not support eSIM
Hence, IMO the real choice is between the two RAM sizes, rather than internal memory specs.
katolink said:
Internal memory or microSD card, which can be up to 1 TB. From this perspective, choosing the 16 GB RAM model just because it has 512 GB internal memory does not seem necessary. Well, unless you cannot use a memory card because you have 2 SIMs inserted in the hybrid slot and your carrier does not support eSIM
Hence, IMO the real choice is between the two RAM sizes, rather than internal memory specs.
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Internal memory is MUCH faster than ANY microSD card!
cpufrost said:
Internal memory is MUCH faster than ANY microSD card!
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But you still use internal memory for storage, isn't it? So what's the deal? Where does faster internal memory help?