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since i love to take images using X. Arc .... i noticed that images taken with flash tend to be "yellowish" means the colors aren't represented well !!
one thing else... do u feel that the camera algortihm tends to sharpen the photos in the post processing step, this can be seen in photos taken in a sunny day with zomm in ?
post ur impressions and ur thoughts
one thing I noticed is that when using it with flash the pictures become over-exposed especially in the Auto Mode.
I think the image quality is pretty poor. The Mrs had an LG Renoir and the images look better to me.
The Arc is better than my old HTC HD Blackstone, but a $65 camera (Samsung) has better quality.
Yellowish skin, over saturated blues and reds... just poor.
I have only one thing to say, EXMOR R sucks! it is a marketing trick and nothing more!
Hi,
bashar.enjarini said:
since i love to take images using X. Arc .... i noticed that images taken with flash tend to be "yellowish" means the colors aren't represented well !!
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I noticed that sometimes, not allways, but its not a sign of a bad camera in the Arc!
Many cameras, also most expensive, have this "yellow-problem" by indoor photos, what is caused by artifical light sources like neon lamps etc and the automatic settings for white balance, as I found out via google.
http://www.mu-43.com/f42/indoor-images-very-yellow-tint-8290/
http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/qnaDetail.asp?threadID=30717
http://rolandlim.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/who-is-telling-the-liar-the-camera-or-the-brain/
Iphone4 based but also intresting:
http://blog.wirelessground.com/iphone-4-camera-2/
and so on...
reptile64 said:
I have only one thing to say, EXMOR R sucks! it is a marketing trick and nothing more!
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I tested it, my Arc with Exmor R vs other phone cameras and there is a much better result in quality overall with it.
No marketing trick at all, but perhaps a wrong imagination of some people how it works!
Greetings
Alef
+ 1 alefthau.. It's amazing how quickly people who don't understand their technology our how to use it blame it for being' bad'
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Hello, i bought a new Arc S. I found, that camera produces really low quality pictures. Is there any way to improve compression? I heard, that CM has a improved quality camera.
Thank you
Hello there
Unfortunately, there is currently no option available to improve the crappy quality of the camera output (compression).
Neither CM7 nor MIUI have any significant improvement in this area.
Are you sure you bought an arc because my arc takes good pics but it isn't an arc s but I find this hard to believe maybe your only taking pictures in the dark ?
Check your settings. Some phones have the camera set to poor quality from start.
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I've bought an Xperia Arc S too about a month ago, but in my opinion the camera is fantastic! Maybe you have to set the camera in high quality. My camera was also standard at 2 MP 16:9. Now I'm using 6 MP 16:9 and the pictures are great, even in the dark.
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Check your settings. Some phones have the camera set to poor quality from start.
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Resolution is already set to 8Mpixels.
Which other settings could I check?
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Resolution is already set to 8Mpixels.
Which other settings could I check?
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I'd recommend 6 MP, because it has a 16:9 instead of a 4:3 format.
Mine works awesome with 8MP...
Could you post a pic made by your cam?
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I would also recommend you post the picture you have taken, x10 and arc are best known as their 8M camera, they should be able to take impressive picture compared to all the phone available back then and even able to compete among all phones on the market to date
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I don't understand people who say Arc camera is crappy.
It's the best I've ever used in a mobile phone to date.
It can't be compared to my compact camera but it's a phone after all
and the results are more than decent for quick shots.
I don't say my arc is perfect but It's not really that bad in taking picture .
I'm ok with it ...
Using 6MP 16:9,
maybe Your lens is dirty ! clean it if it's needed.
arc is one of the best camera phones out there.if not the best.
Best camera 2011/2012, it won that price
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The camera is great - no 2 opinions about that.
But after I downgraded from .62 to .42 with data&system wipe, because of the root, my phone started to take really low quality pics in low light - identical conditions, the same camera settings, but now pics appear with a great level of noise, nomatter how I adjust the settings. On videos also. This is my second time downgrading from 62, the first time without wipe - everything was OK, but now I think smthing must have gone wrong - lots of noise and heavy purple dots...
Any ideas how to fix that, cause I really miss the good low light pics - one of the reasons I bought it.
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I don't understand people who say Arc camera is crappy.
It's the best I've ever used in a mobile phone to date.
It can't be compared to my compact camera but it's a phone after all
and the results are more than decent for quick shots.
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Maybe some users are expecting a miracle out of arc's camera (e.g. comparing the pictures against DSLRs' large sensor and lens)
Its great for casual shots and videos imo.
It even won an EISA award.
The camera is great, the software is horrible. MIUI and CM7 support to change the jpg compression, which the stock ROM doesn't. The jpg compression sadly ****s up everything and destroys the overall quality of the shots.
I find the quality of the arc's shots to be great, I don't understand why so many people complain. Yes the output file is pretty small for an 8MP resolution photo because its been compressed to ****, but I don't really notice this, even when plugging into my 42" TV it still looks great (until you start to zoom in) Take a range of shots, when shooting in darkness you will find a decent amount of noise but this is just the Exmor-r working wonders - without it, you'd find you'd just have a very dark picture.
Like many people already said, I'm totally happy with the picture's quality of my ARC, especially on 6MP 16:9. I love the colors, the tones, the clarity.. I'm sure that Sony (still SE for me ) will improve a little about JPEG compression in next ICS release..
iridaki said:
I don't understand people who say Arc camera is crappy.
It's the best I've ever used in a mobile phone to date.
It can't be compared to my compact camera but it's a phone after all
and the results are more than decent for quick shots.
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Exactly. Only my old Nokia N95 comes close, but that also was a little sony carl zeiss optic if i recall correctly.
Arc S camera is crappy.
I know it, because i used a Samsung mobile for a long time before Arc S, to take more than 4K pcs photos, so i can compare them.
It makes a lot of color noise under low light conditions of scenes.
Even a bit better when the light is enough, but then it makes white burned photos
The objective is distorted (fish eye aka barell), and also makes color noises in its corners.
The video record of this mobile is blurred, shaked, in low light condition makes color noises too.
You have to use Noiseware, or similar software to remove unwanted color noises from photos which are dotted by Xperia Arc /s
I don't know what is the meaning of the Exmore r, because i can't find a reason, maybe it' s only a commercial thingy
Sorry for my bad english.
Sony is famous for their Camera,We all know about the info that Sony is Selling their Camera's Sensor
to many other Smartphone manufacturer but this info is not from A Reliable sources that's why Leave it as it is.
I know there are Some thread on Xperia Z vs Galaxy S4,but the Difference between Xperia Z/ZL Camera's is
Really Shocking Because Xperia Z or ZL are using Same internal Camera but are Way too Different Result of Camera
from Each other I'm not talking about Design,I'm talking about Hardware.That's the Main Reason to Begin A Separate Thread for Xperia ZL vs Galaxy S4.
Xperia Zl Dimensions & Weight
5.18 x 2.75 x 0.39 inches (131.6 x 69.8 x 9.8 mm) - 151gram - 2370mAh Battery
Galaxy S4 Dimensions & weight
5.38 x 2.75 x 0.31 inches (136.6 x 69.8 x 7.9 mm) 130gram -2600mAh Battery
Xperia ZL Cons and Pros
5" 16M-color 1080p TFT capacitive touchscreen of 441ppi, Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2
None User-replaceable battery
Clean and Smooth Nearly Stock Android Software
No Bloatware Such as in Galaxy S4
Most Compact Smartphone Up-to Date
Widely Support of ROMs
Uninspiring camera performance
13 MP autofocus camera with LED flash and geotagging, HDR
1080p video recording @ 30fps with HDR mode, continuous autofocus and stereo sound
Notably thicker than Xperia Z and Galaxy S4
Dubious back panel build quality and aesthetics
Best Saturated Picture & Videos Quality when Bravia engine 2 Kicks in or ON
Built in Fm Radio
On Screen Soft Keys ( Its Good but The Soft Keys Snatch Some screen from 5" )
Galaxy S4 Cons and Pros
5" 16M-color 1080p Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen with Gorilla Glass 3
User-replaceable battery
Processor & Benchmarks are much Powerful as Compare to Xperia ZL
Design is a bit played out by now
Thinner than Xperia ZL
Design is a bit played out by now
Hyperglaze finish doesn't feel as premium as aluminum on HTC One or glass on Xperia Z
No FM radio
Video recording is slightly worse than on the Galaxy S III; FOV in video is pretty narrow
Shared camera interface makes framing tricky
230mAh More Battery Power than Xperia ZL
21grams Lighter than Xperia ZL
Xperia ZL, S4 and Some Other Smartphones Display Test Report GSMarena
Xperia ZL Loudspeaker Test & Call Quality
Call Quality is good on Xperia ZL and loudspeaker too
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Here we Compare about Xperia ZL and Galaxy S4 Camera.
The Bigger the Mega Pixels does not mean the Better Image, So we see Galaxy S4 & Xperia ZL Both are Having 13MP Rear Camera But Sensor Size Have Huge impact on Picture Quality.
So larger sensors can help you capture better quality images, but they bring with them a number of other characteristics, some good and some bad. The first, and most obvious impact of a bigger camera sensor is that of size; not only will the sensor take up more room in your device, but it
will also need a bigger lens to cast an image over it.
As sensor technology improves, we're seeing much better performance out of smaller sensors, but bigger will always be better.
So How Xperia Zl and Galaxy S4 Stand out for their Camera's Sensors and Video Quality.
Sony Xperia ZL Camera Sensor Size
Samsung Galaxy S4 Camera Sensor Size
Sony Xperia Z Camera Sensor Size
Xperia ZL vs Galaxy S4 Full HD Camera video Test
Samsung Galaxy S4 , HTC One & Sony Xperia Z Full HD in low light Test
Samsung Galaxy S3 vs Galaxy S4 HD Camera Test
As in above Xperia Z Camcoder Quality is looking Good as Compare to Xperia ZL and Galaxy S4 & the sensor on Xperia Z is looking Small To Compare with Galaxy S4 and Xperia Zl But in Result Xperia Z Beats both of them and Htc one too.But Samsung Galaxy S4 Beats the Xperia Zl Camcoder.Samsung Galaxy S4 video Quality is Not Good than Galaxy S3 according to Gsmarena and in above Video Comparison.
Guys what do you think,Why is this Difference happens in Z/Zl Camera, Some sort of Software Fault, Image Stabilization on ZL Not working properly OR ZL Camera Really Suck???
Note : I add some more but later............
i think this is software for camera, super auto of stock is not good,you must setting manual , if you want to capture a good picture
the sensors on all the z phones/tablets are exactly the same size, aperture, etc....
the differences you are seeing are probably coming from the smart auto, and or your own personal preferences
you want to take a good photo? use normal mode and pick the correct settings for the shot, like you would with a real camera
It seems like all the comparisons are based on using the standard stock roms and camera apps.
What would happen if I use an alternative camera app, such as Camera Zoom fx, within the stock rom, or installed a CM based rom and used the standard CM/Google camera app - would that then even the playing field between the phones in terms of OEM software and processing being bypassed and then it would just be up to the hardware differences between the phones?
ymmp said:
It seems like all the comparisons are based on using the standard stock roms and camera apps.
What would happen if I use an alternative camera app, such as Camera Zoom fx, within the stock rom, or installed a CM based rom and used the standard CM/Google camera app - would that then even the playing field between the phones in terms of OEM software and processing being bypassed and then it would just be up to the hardware differences between the phones?
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No camera settings are deeper than camera app settings e.g. defined in xmls etc etc.
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No camera settings are deeper than camera app settings e.g. defined in xmls etc etc.
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yeah,they differ in xmls,those algorythms they put.. anyways as mentioned from op sony supplies there sensors to other smartphone makers. like in the S4 and LG,even the iphones and oppo... as said above its in the xmls`s...
Camera Pictures Sample
Firstly Some people said the Sony using Compression on their Smartphones Camera, that's the reason the Picture Quality is bad but its not issue with size compression at all,
Following a series of powerful smartphone cameras undergoing trials conducted by tech site Gizmodo. The contestants are the Samsung Galaxy S4, Sony Xperia ZL, HTC, Nokia Lumia 920 and the iPhone 5.
Source: runtechno & Gizmodo
Close-up at noon
Low light without flash
Low-light with flash
Scenery in daylight
Conclusion
Lets it's upon you Guys to decide which one is Best?????
jhony.liver said:
Firstly Some people said the Sony using Compression on their Smartphones Camera, that's the reason the Picture Quality is bad but its not issue with size compression at all,
Following a series of powerful smartphone cameras undergoing trials conducted by tech site Gizmodo. The contestants are the Samsung Galaxy S4, Sony Xperia ZL, HTC, Nokia Lumia 920 and the iPhone 5.
Source: runtechno & Gizmodo
Close-up at noon
Low light without flash
Low-light with flash
Scenery in daylight
Conclusion
Lets it's upon you Guys to decide which one is Best?????
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TBH all of the camera reviews I read are useless if they all used superior auto with old fw
I like this comparison
thnx
DoubleYouPee said:
TBH all of the camera reviews I read are useless if they all used superior auto with old fw
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hmmmmmmmm,
did you post your cam result????
lol really the camera of xperia ZL sucks, the camera of xperia ion is better than s4, zl, so far
I feel that the hardware is not to be blamed here...
The software here is at fault..
The superior auto mode is not so superior in its job(it's ok if you want to capture something real-quick)... But if you want the best from the hardware you'll have to turn to manual controls...(Camera FV-5 is the best app I know for that)
Jpeg compression is just too much here...thus we can see the lack of detail in some photos(macro)
To get the best of the camera,My suggestions are as follows :-
If you like the stock camera app... 1)Turn off superior auto mode... Switch to manual mode
2) set the ISO at 200 (max) for daylight photography,,,,400 for twilight
3) HDR off
4) metering mode set to average
And if you still want better results:
1) install Camera FV-5 (full version support developer )
2) go to settings -> photo encoding settings -> file format -> set it to PNG ( it takes some seriously huge pics (15 mb..) )
3) now apply all the manual controls mentioned above
If you think what difference does the above methods do to the quality of the photos... Take a photo with normal method (superior auto) and then manual method... And then compare..
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Rumman Shaikh said:
I feel that the hardware is not to be blamed here...
The software here is at fault..
The superior auto mode is not so superior in its job(it's ok if you want to capture something real-quick)... But if you want the best from the hardware you'll have to turn to manual controls...(Camera FV-5 is the best app I know for that)
Jpeg compression is just too much here...thus we can see the lack of detail in some photos(macro)
To get the best of the camera,My suggestions are as follows :-
If you like the stock camera app... 1)Turn off superior auto mode... Switch to manual mode
2) set the ISO at 200 (max) for daylight photography,,,,400 for twilight
3) HDR off
4) metering mode set to average
And if you still want better results:
1) install Camera FV-5 (full version support developer )
2) go to settings -> photo encoding settings -> file format -> set it to PNG ( it takes some seriously huge pics (15 mb..) )
3) now apply all the manual controls mentioned above
If you think what difference does the above methods do to the quality of the photos... Take a photo with normal method (superior auto) and then manual method... And then compare..
If you feel that I've helped you in anyway, please hit the thank button
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Camera FV-5 is better than cyber shot camera ? because the best cam of sony is cyber shot
Rumman Shaikh said:
I feel that the hardware is not to be blamed here...
The software here is at fault..
The superior auto mode is not so superior in its job(it's ok if you want to capture something real-quick)... But if you want the best from the hardware you'll have to turn to manual controls...(Camera FV-5 is the best app I know for that)
Jpeg compression is just too much here...thus we can see the lack of detail in some photos(macro)
To get the best of the camera,My suggestions are as follows :-
If you like the stock camera app... 1)Turn off superior auto mode... Switch to manual mode
2) set the ISO at 200 (max) for daylight photography,,,,400 for twilight
3) HDR off
4) metering mode set to average
And if you still want better results:
1) install Camera FV-5 (full version support developer )
2) go to settings -> photo encoding settings -> file format -> set it to PNG ( it takes some seriously huge pics (15 mb..) )
3) now apply all the manual controls mentioned above
If you think what difference does the above methods do to the quality of the photos... Take a photo with normal method (superior auto) and then manual method... And then compare..
If you feel that I've helped you in anyway, please hit the thank button
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Oh wow, I just did that and holy crap does that app make great pics with those settings! I still love the ZL's stock camera, but damn.
I wish the stock app would allow us to take png pics.
Hmm thanks for this, the results are interesting... The lumia 920 is the best in the first shot, then its mixed thereafter. The Xperia ZL seems to be better on the low light with flash option, that one is actually a really good quality photo with no dodgey colours, the flash is hardly noticeable. However for some of the others taken with the XL it looks like it has problems with contrast and exposure. Though on the last image, though dark, is almost more accurate to what the scene was actually like, slightly under exposed perhaps, where as most of the others look over exposed, a bit or a lot.
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iso settings and fv5
cameta fv 5 can't change the iso settings in my z1, how can i change it.
Good day fellow XDAers!
I recently received my Xperia Z1 as an upgrade to my Xperia S as my Xperia S was hitting the age two mark, and what better upgrade than the Xperia Z1 I thought? Sure, the Z2 or Sirius is also about to be announced but that'll only mean the Z1 will be priced even better! I've had the Z1 for about a week now and I figured I wouldn't be the only one thinking of upgrading their Xperia S.
So in this thread I will let you know whether it's a good choice for you personally to upgrade (since there is no such thing as a 'smartphone to rule them all').
I will create another post below with a couple of camera comparisons because, if you were like me, you probably also chose the Xperia S for its camera, and are likely to consider the Xperia Z1 for the same reason. I will say beforehand that, yes, the camera is indeed an upgrade. The Z1's camera is not as bad as some review(er)s may have made you believe - at least not with the latest firmware of Android 4.3 installed.
Anyway, let's get to the hardware. The Xperia Z1 feels much, much more premium. It's a really slim device that's cold to the touch and has a bit of heft to it as well, making it feel as premium as it gets. Much more so than the Xperia S, that feels, after having held the Xperia Z1 for a couple of days, very plastic-y. One week prior to writing this I would've said that the Xperia S feels good in the hand, but once you've held the best, there's just no going back.
The processor is just extremely snappy, not much more to say of it. The Xperia S annoyed me with lag occurring more often than not, and if I were to upgrade, it would definitely be a major step upward, hence not going for the Xperia Z (which is probably still snappier than the Xperia S but I don't have experience with it). I wanted to test the Z1's processor but I couldn't find anything graphically intense and fun enough to do. So the Z1 is essentially more than powerful enough
Where the Xperia S had a pretty loose back, the Z1 is as sturdy as it gets with the aluminum frame sandwiched between the glass. If you're coming from the Xperia S, you probably won't mind the flaps. They're a tiny bit harder to open but that's obviously due to the waterproof rubbers (which seem a little too thin for my comfort but hey, Sony tested the device to be waterproof so I'll take that for granted).
I'll have to test the headphone jack some more but so far the quality seems on par with the Xperia S, if not better. I'm not the craziest audiophile out there, but I do believe there's a bit more bass outputting from the Z1's jack. Another thing worth mentioning about the build: the camera button is more comfortable to press and is a little better positioned, and the power button is perfectly in line with my thumb on the side (I hated the top mounted power button on the Xperia S - trying to press it while having it on a table has sent the device flying multiple times). The speaker on the bottom (which isn't the entire grill, just the most right part about one-fifth of the actual grille in size) is less loud as the Xperia S' internal speaker, but the quality to me sounds similar. Again, it's not as horrible as reviewers may have you think, but then again, they always get to review the best devices out there and this is just a mediocre speaker that gets the job done. Finally, the screen is really a joy to look at once you've set the white balance correctly, and the Full HD resolution does make it look better than 720p on the Xperia S. Colours pop more but the screen of the Xperia S seems to have a little more contrast. So yes, the display is indeed another upgrade to the Xperia S from what I can tell.
All in all, what are things you need to consider when you're in the market for a new Sony phone?
- Will the Xperia Z2 / Sirius have anything that *I* really wish I had, that makes me want to wait and get it instead of the Z1?
- Is the Xperia Z1 worth the money, since it's still priced very high?
- Do I want a 5" display on my phone, or is the display size of the Xperia S just fine (refer to the Z1 Compact then)?
- Are the downsides mentioned above not too important?
- How do *I* value waterproofing of a smartphone (I personally value it high, because I lost one phone to a river and it makes life so much easier carelessly taking pictures in the rain or playing music in the shower)
I hope this is of any use to you, looking to upgrade your phone. If this helped you make up your mind, don't hesitate to click a specific button under my XDA name
If you have any questions considering the two devices, please let me know - I'll answer them ASAP! :fingers-crossed:
EDIT:
I've created a video comparison between the Xperia S and Xperia Z1, because I often look things up on YouTube myself
Check it out below:
Sony Xperia S vs. Xperia Z1 - Should you upgrade? <- link to the video
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Now, for the camera comparison of the Xperia S and the Xperia Z1...
Disclaimer: the images were shot with Auto Mode on the Xperia S and Superior Auto Mode on the Z1. I basically compared them as point-and-shoot cameras.
Who would've thought the difference between the Xperia S and Z1 was this big? (zoomed in, that is)
Xperia S:
Screenshot_2014-02-21-16-16-19 by HurrHurrHerman, on Flickr
Xperia Z1:
Screenshot_2014-02-21-16-16-22 by HurrHurrHerman, on Flickr
Or let's try one without zooming:
Xperia S:
DSC_0019 by HurrHurrHerman, on Flickr
Xperia Z1:
DSC_0143 by HurrHurrHerman, on Flickr
I'm trying not to be biased, but the Xperia S suffers from much more lens flare than the Xperia Z1 for example I initially held the Z1 on the right next to the S, but after viewing the lens flare on the S I decided to swap the two, the Z1 now being right. Did it make a difference? Nope. Still the same lens flare on the S, still none on the Z1. When you're shooting in daylight, the Z1's camera really is amazing!
Once you take away the sun however, the Xperia Z1 is no longer amazing but just 'good' at best (I don't have examples just yet).
P.S. the full images of the first crop:
Xperia S:
DSC_0022 by HurrHurrHerman, on Flickr
Xperia Z1:
DSC_0146 by HurrHurrHerman, on Flickr
The Xperia Z1 also has the advantage of having a wide-angle lens, as you can see in the pictures above.
If you want to see more, let me know. I'm here to help and answer any questions!
Good point,talking about the camera,does Z1 have 16:9 resolution higher than 8MP?
RodrigoOgasawara said:
Good point,talking about the camera,does Z1 have 16:9 resolution higher than 8MP?
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As of yet, nope. But I expect the update to 4.4 to add a 15 megapixel option. Still, megapixels really don't matter as the 8 megapixel shots seem more detailed in daylight than the Xperia S'.
dam U, my XS just reached the end of contract. I trying persuade myself not to give in to temptation and buy such an expensive phone right away.
I am considering between Z1 or Z1 compact. Waiting for WMC to see if there is any phone to push the price of Z1 down.
Hermantje said:
As of yet, nope. But I expect the update to 4.4 to add a 15 megapixel option. Still, megapixels really don't matter as the 8 megapixel shots seem more detailed in daylight than the Xperia S'.
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I agree with that,but its a bit frustating thing to have a 20mp camera that don't shoot at full resolution,but the quality of the photos looks really good.
Another question,about image compression,pictures take with Z1 are less compressed than XS?I mean,with the Superior Auto mode.
sinple said:
dam U, my XS just reached the end of contract. I trying persuade myself not to give in to temptation and buy such an expensive phone right away.
I am considering between Z1 or Z1 compact. Waiting for WMC to see if there is any phone to push the price of Z1 down.
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If you don't have the cash, don't bother. The Xperia S is still a good phone. Not everyone needs the best high-end device out there, it's just that I love smartphones so much that I oblige myself to get at least a high-end phone (since I consider the Xperia S to be a darn good midrange device, just not high-end anymore).
RodrigoOgasawara said:
I agree with that,but its a bit frustating thing to have a 20mp camera that don't shoot at full resolution,but the quality of the photos looks really good.
Another question,about image compression,pictures take with Z1 are less compressed than XS?I mean,with the Superior Auto mode.
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The Superior Auto mode makes great images in daylight, but once the sunlight is partially gone or you're trying to take pictures with artificial light, the sharpness drops and you get to see this odd Z1 specific 'oversharpening lining' when fully zoomed in. Once you're out of the light, I really recommend using the Manual Mode, because setting the ISO manually makes a huge difference. So if you can live with that, the Z1's camera is as good as it gets (ISO-50 images in darker environments look detailed - Night Mode is even better!).
One other thing I have noticed, is that the Z1 has barely any chromatic (colour) noise - if you can see noise in pictures, it's going to be these 'sharpened lines' that I don't know how else to explain. I really hated how often the coloured noise occurred in pictures taken with the Xperia S, it really ruined the images for me.
Hi there, I liked reading your review as I have had the Xperia S for around a year now on 3 PAYG but Ive been ever so tempted to get either the Z1 or Z1C on contract, but now that ive seen rumours/videos of the suspected 'Z2' which looks pretty darn awesome, do you think its best I get a Z1 or wait for the new release? I mean the Xperia S is a great phone I could cope with it a little more, although stock jellybean 4.1.2 which is what im running has quite a few bugs, also lately my device has been 'overheating' after updating a fair amount of apps which is a sad thing so i guess its nearlly the end for my XS, sad times haha
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Hi there, I liked reading your review as I have had the Xperia S for around a year now on 3 PAYG but Ive been ever so tempted to get either the Z1 or Z1C on contract, but now that ive seen rumours/videos of the suspected 'Z2' which looks pretty darn awesome, do you think its best I get a Z1 or wait for the new release? I mean the Xperia S is a great phone I could cope with it a little more, although stock jellybean 4.1.2 which is what im running has quite a few bugs, also lately my device has been 'overheating' after updating a fair amount of apps which is a sad thing so i guess its nearlly the end for my XS, sad times haha
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I was just too eager to get the Z1 that I couldn't wait one other week for the Z2. But as for the leaks, the Z2 does look like a more perfect device, but it's probably going to be about €150 (or a similar amount of dollars) more expensive, and I didn't think the Z1 would get much cheaper instantly.
So if you can wait, do so. It's always better - prices can only drop. I just really wanted the Z1 and I wasn't planning on paying that much more for a Z2 that's a little closer to perfection.
To summarize, here's what the Z2 is probably going to improve:
- IPS display, so no more viewing angle complaints
- Android 4.4 (but I presume all software tweaks will be made available for the Z1 as well, either through Sony or else through the amazing XDA developers we got)
- Stereo speakers
Other than that, the Z2 seems to be similar to the Z1. So for the price, I'd go (and I actually went) for the Z1. But it's all up to you, and wait if you can because phones are only getting cheaper!
thinking to upgrade too
but i didnt chose yet ,, Z1 or Z1s or Z1 compact !!! i think the almost the same no ?
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thinking to upgrade too
but i didnt chose yet ,, Z1 or Z1s or Z1 compact !!! i think the almost the same no ?
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I'm not sure what the Z1s is supposed to be, but it's either a specific variant of the Z1 or Z1 Compact.
Either way, if you're in doubt between these two and you have an Xperia S, just think about the size. Are you longing for something bigger?
One thing I have to mention: although I love the size of the Z1, it's just not as practical to use in one hand as my old Xperia S. Keep that in mind.
And have fun choosing your next phone
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thinking to upgrade too
but i didnt chose yet ,, Z1 or Z1s or Z1 compact !!! i think the almost the same no ?
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Z1s is only for T mobile in USA and it has a slightly better camera and 32GB storage
please read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2600577
as for me I'll until Z2 is released in my region :good:
Update: I added a YouTube video of the comparison to the original post!
If you'd like to see more of a comparison, ask & subscribe I'd say :angel:
still better S
Still better s because it cheaper Maybe i'll buy z1 when sony will release z2 and z1 went cheaper.
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Still better s because it cheaper Maybe i'll buy z1 when sony will release z2 and z1 went cheaper.
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Very true that the Xperia S is cheaper now. I can't even sell mine because I'm asking too much apparently :silly:
But make no mistake: the Z1 feels much more of an upgrade than reviews may make it seem.
I purchased the Z1 because the price had already dropped to just above €400, as opposed to the Z2 which is around €550 or even €600 now.
In case of the Z1 vs Z2, I'd go (and I have gone) for the Z1, just for its pricetag.
Genneraly i'm thinking about z1 compact becasue classic z1 is too big for me
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Genneraly i'm thinking about z1 compact becasue classic z1 is too big for me
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Except for the size there's barely any difference between the two, so I'm hoping my guide will still be useful :3
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- IPS display, so no more viewing angle complaints
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Isn't it good to have bad viewing angles because of privacy issues? Also it is not a tv so i don't get why people care about viewing angles.
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FaiselW said:
Isn't it good to have bad viewing angles because of privacy issues? Also it is not a tv so i don't get why people care about viewing angles.
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It's all personal preference, but people usually prefer being able to view the display perfectly when it's on the table. It's actually more common than you might think, that you're not looking directly at the display. I'd say, if you're really into privacy, you won't dislike the absent viewing angles. Otherwise the display just looks better overall, when you can even look at it from an angle without contrast loss. The issue I often have is that I can't read text due to lowered contrast when my phone's on the table, for example hooked up to my radio, like it is at this moment. It's more difficult to change songs because the text on the display is not always readable.
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Isn't it good to have bad viewing angles because of privacy issues? Also it is not a tv so i don't get why people care about viewing angles.
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What privacy issues? Are you concerned someone can read your texts over your shoulder? You'll probably notice when someone's breathing down your neck then, because even with a 5 inch screen, the screen is still small enough to require the phone to still be in an arm's distance from your face to read properly. For everything else like photos and videos, you are aware that you've already shared all of your life with Google, Facebook, etc anyway?
For me, one of the downsides of the Xperia S is how grey all the colours are when you look at it if it's lying down on a table. You can't properly show photos to other people or you need to hand them your phone.
Saying that bad viewing angles are good for privacy is just one of those excuses to avoid criticizing Sony. Sony never made those viewing angles so bad by design, it's not a feature, so the viewing angles should just be as good as possible. If it were a feature, it should be optional because not all of us wear tinfoil hats. If you want bad viewing angles because you're actually concerned about your privacy (and you don't want to tell that creep breathing in your neck to shove off) there are filters you can apply as a screen protector or a case to get even worse viewing angles. I know that Siemens employees need to put a similar filter on their laptops if they're using it in public to avoid leaking company secrets.
About the Xperia Z1/Z2, they're too big for me. I'm considering the Z1 compact but after 2 years of Sony, about half of which with AOSP based ROMs, I've decided I don't like OEM skins and the limitations they pose. So next phone will probably be a Nexus (it's a bit smaller but only just though..) or a Motorola if they release the successor of the Moto X in Belgium at all. I would be tempted to get an Xperia Z1 compact if there were a Google Play Edition.
Hi developers,
I've been checking Xperia Z5 review and it said the camera module is the same that we have in the XA2.
Now, looking at photos taken with Z5 I have strong impression that the blur (optics imperfection...) at the edges of the photos is much smaller in Z5 taken photos than with XA2 photos. I think it can be corrected to some degree, but It's not done in XA2.
Would it be possible to try Xperia Z5 camera app to see if the XA2 photos quality improved with it ? Does anybody know maybe ?
//Marcin
Just try Snap camera app
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Just try Snap camera app
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Well ,the thing is that I've tried already quite a lot of 3rd party apps, including Snap, and the result is similar each time - photos with A LOT of noise. Like the phone would not allow 3rd party apps to denoise photos.
Or maybe there is something special about Sony XA2 software that makes 3rd party apps unable to fully utilize its potential.
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Well ,the thing is that I've tried already quite a lot of 3rd party apps, including Snap, and the result is similar each time - photos with A LOT of noise. Like the phone would not allow 3rd party apps to denoise photos.
Or maybe there is something special about Sony XA2 software that makes 3rd party apps unable to fully utilize its potential.
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Snap camera should have a setting for denosing
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Snap camera should have a setting for denosing
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Sure, it has - but it does so little change, that looks like almost no difference whether it's on or off.
emcom said:
Hi developers,
I've been checking Xperia Z5 review and it said the camera module is the same that we have in the XA2.
Now, looking at photos taken with Z5 I have strong impression that the blur (optics imperfection...) at the edges of the photos is much smaller in Z5 taken photos than with XA2 photos. I think it can be corrected to some degree, but It's not done in XA2.
Would it be possible to try Xperia Z5 camera app to see if the XA2 photos quality improved with it ? Does anybody know maybe ?
//Marcin
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I have my old Z5 Premium and my girlfriend has an XA2 I'll try some pics as I have the opportunity and give you the answer.
PS: My Z5 Premium has both the camera and the back cover replaced by myself with parts from internet. Both were Sony problems but phone was imported so I bypassed warranty for not loosing money and time. Still takes nice pictures. I had so many problems with that phone, lens stains, camera black spots, jack audio fail after a while, it bent...
RIP Z5p
Sorry seems that my Z5p is not working anymore.
During night my cat dropped a pitcher with some water on the table and my Z5p was there in a layer of thin water when I found it the next morning. Because of the broken back cover the water went in, there were drops coming from inside as I tried to press the cover with my thumbs.
Now seems dry but it only vibrates and doesn't boot. Waiting for more draining.
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Sorry seems that my Z5p is not working anymore.
During night my cat dropped a pitcher with some water on the table and my Z5p was there in a layer of thin water when I found it the next morning. Because of the broken back cover the water went in, there were drops coming from inside as I tried to press the cover with my thumbs.
Now seems dry but it only vibrates and doesn't boot. Waiting for more draining.
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So sorry to hear this !
Anyway, in the meantime I got my camera module replaced under warranty at the Sony authorized service site, and now it takes much better pics, the blur is noticeable only where it can't be actually avoided (in the very distant edges of the photos)
But I have found a thread in the Sony support forum where users were discussing the blur that was a nightmare in Z5's photos. Seems like the problem was quite common. I feel like lucky winner now that I got a new, fully working camera module.
I hope your phone will wake up eventually, anyway :highfive: