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How good is the camera

How would you rate the camera of DHD? Lets say 10 is TOO DAMN GOOD and 1 is VERY BAD.
and how about it if you compare it with Dell streaks camera?

Not good at all. Anything at night will be blurd. Even standing still allowing the camera to fully focus gets you a blurred photo. May have 8mpg but the lens is rubbish therefore you will never have that good of a photo. Video is ok all in all as its 720p.
Camera : 3/10
Video : 8/10
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what about the shots in day light? are they good? i don't take much shots at night but in day and some indoors, so how about them?

Daylight shots are, in my view, superb. Low-light shots are pretty bad, as the other guy said earlier. That's true of all camera phones I've owned though...
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I use the camera not very often. The quality and easy to use are not very good

Camera: 2/10 (My HD2 take better pictures for sure)
Video: 5/10
I allready send back two DHD for replace.
(with blur problems).
HTC really disappoint me...
Now i will whating for the Galaxy S2 release.

Camera: 6/10
Video (daylight): 9/10
Video (low light): 4/10
The quality highly depends on how much light is available, I've taken some awesome camera shots and some which were really poor. If your buying the phone only for 8mpx camera, don't bother. It's not all about the pixels.

mjt said:
Daylight shots are, in my view, superb. Low-light shots are pretty bad, as the other guy said earlier. That's true of all camera phones I've owned though...
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completely agree +1

For me the camera is not that good considering 8mp
I see areas of quality in certain parts of the shot with the rest appearing blurred, and yes the lens has been cleaned with the correct type cloth.
My first pictures made me think about the issue of round lens, square picture, the edges all looked blurred and only the centre was focused.
I have read that altering the default settings from auto make a difference, but not for me, it is only used as an emergency camera.
Video is OK, even 720p, but again, not a perfect device.
But when you remember this is primarily a phone saves having multiple devices

I think is great. There is a guide somewhere here you can use for better results
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Anyone getting ghost effect on recorded 720p videos>?
fast moving objects ( such as my kids) looking blurred/ghosted...
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koalauk said:
Anyone getting ghost effect on recorded 720p videos>?
fast moving objects ( such as my kids) looking blurred/ghosted...
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If your recording in bad light conditions (eg. inside your house) then yep, that's normal...

So has anyone of you compared the pics with those of a streak? It is my 2nd choice after DHD and since DHD's camera is not that good i am cosidering Dell Streak, so anyone who has compared them?

are you saticfied with photos taken by Arc with flash

since i love to take images using X. Arc .... i noticed that images taken with flash tend to be "yellowish" means the colors aren't represented well !!
one thing else... do u feel that the camera algortihm tends to sharpen the photos in the post processing step, this can be seen in photos taken in a sunny day with zomm in ?
post ur impressions and ur thoughts

one thing I noticed is that when using it with flash the pictures become over-exposed especially in the Auto Mode.

I think the image quality is pretty poor. The Mrs had an LG Renoir and the images look better to me.
The Arc is better than my old HTC HD Blackstone, but a $65 camera (Samsung) has better quality.
Yellowish skin, over saturated blues and reds... just poor.

I have only one thing to say, EXMOR R sucks! it is a marketing trick and nothing more!

Hi,
bashar.enjarini said:
since i love to take images using X. Arc .... i noticed that images taken with flash tend to be "yellowish" means the colors aren't represented well !!
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I noticed that sometimes, not allways, but its not a sign of a bad camera in the Arc!
Many cameras, also most expensive, have this "yellow-problem" by indoor photos, what is caused by artifical light sources like neon lamps etc and the automatic settings for white balance, as I found out via google.
http://www.mu-43.com/f42/indoor-images-very-yellow-tint-8290/
http://www.betterphoto.com/forms/qnaDetail.asp?threadID=30717
http://rolandlim.wordpress.com/2011/03/03/who-is-telling-the-liar-the-camera-or-the-brain/
Iphone4 based but also intresting:
http://blog.wirelessground.com/iphone-4-camera-2/
and so on...
reptile64 said:
I have only one thing to say, EXMOR R sucks! it is a marketing trick and nothing more!
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I tested it, my Arc with Exmor R vs other phone cameras and there is a much better result in quality overall with it.
No marketing trick at all, but perhaps a wrong imagination of some people how it works!
Greetings
Alef

+ 1 alefthau.. It's amazing how quickly people who don't understand their technology our how to use it blame it for being' bad'
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[Q] Neo - Question about camera compression

I'm thinking to buy a Neo this week and it will be my first Android phone. In a few reviews I've seen some complaints about the .jpg's being over compressed using the stock camera app. If you use a different camera app are you able to set it for less compression and better pictures?

Hi mattarse
The jpg compression is fine as it is, I believe the discussion on the compression has been started due to very high expectations of the camera in the new xperia phones. The camera IS very good I think considering it is a mobile phone with a very small camera sensor.
Pictures will when you magnify them on your pc never look as good as a dslr or newer compact camera with bigger sensors and better optics. This is probable what started the jpg compression discussion as it would have been nice to just change the jpg compression level and have super sharp pictures even when you zoom in.
The Camera Advance app will give you the option to change the compression but my own tests show no visual difference from the xperia camera app and the picture from camera advance. File size differences was 1MB from xperia camera and 2.2MB from camera advance app.
Camera360 Ultimate will give pictures at the same sizes as the xperia camera app even when you select the finest compression level.
I personally prefer to use the xperia camera app compared to camera360 and camera advance.
I have allways enjoyed photography and normally use a dslr. This is actually the first mobile phone where I have started to use the camera as I have allways disliked the picture quality from my older mobiles. It is amazing to see pictures at iso 1600-2000 being useable from this small camera, the low light performance is very good and the dynamic range under sunlight is also very good.
I have the xperia arc and not neo, but I belive the camera is the same on both mobiles. Have seen some samples from neo where it actually looks like it is producing better pictures, could be due to different optics in the slightly bigger mobile or just differences in firmware.

Well I've bought a Neo for my wife recently. But was surprised also to see the size of the files for an 8mp camera. I was also surprised there is no option for the level of compression.
What is more important that the camera does not produce good quality for darker rooms.(in a room with 15*10W halogen light bulbs). The pictures have a visible yellow-greenish tint and a lot of noise. I haven't tried on outside just yet.
May be my expectation are too high. But I still think this is a marketing trick. They could have easily put a sensor with less density (5mp or 6mp) which is supposed to produce less noise.

valqka said:
Well I've bought a Neo for my wife recently. But was surprised also to see the size of the files for an 8mp camera. I was also surprised there is no option for the level of compression.
What is more important that the camera does not produce good quality for darker rooms.(in a room with 15*10W halogen light bulbs). The pictures have a visible yellow-greenish tint and a lot of noise. I haven't tried on outside just yet.
May be my expectation are too high. But I still think this is a marketing trick. They could have easily put a sensor with less density (5mp or 6mp) which is supposed to produce less noise.
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I do believe the exmoor sensor has improved low light performance compared to a regular mobile camera sensor. But this is still only a small camera and even my dslr would struggle indoor with only artificial lighting unless flash is added.
Have only shot a couple of low light pictures with my arc both outside and inside and agree that pictures especially at iso1600-2000 contain a larger amount of noise. I would say the pictures are very good compared to my old mobile which was useless in low light and good compared to my compact camera.
You can change the scene mode to make the xperia use slower shutter speeds and lower iso, that will give you some very nice scenery shots in low light with little noise. I have to my surprised shot a few sharp fotos at 1/4 shutter speed in low light, that would not be possible without fixed mounting on my dslr or an extremely steady hand.
You will ever only be able to archive good low light pictures with expensive slr and optics. One thing I have learned using slr is that light is king, you can not get enough light if you want sharp, good looking, strong colors etc.
Now you got me interested in doing some tests to compare the low light performance with my dslr and compact camera

Well hygge, I am quite an amateur in shooting but I also know from my extended zoom camera that noise in low light is a nightmare (at least I use Program mode and not automatic ).
I really got the phone form several days and did not had the time try it good. I've just changed settings from 6mp 16:9 (strange for default settings) to 8mp.
Then the LED flash came on automatically. But the result was not good. (3 from 4 shots were with yellow-green tint and one was too bright (or is more correct over-exposed). But I must confess the scene was complicated if this matters at all: my baby in the bathing tub. So there is water, reflection.....
But anyway I put my bet on the dslr with a huge distnace

valqka said:
Well hygge, I am quite an amateur in shooting but I also know from my extended zoom camera that noise in low light is a nightmare (at least I use Program mode and not automatic ).
I really got the phone form several days and did not had the time try it good. I've just changed settings from 6mp 16:9 (strange for default settings) to 8mp.
Then the LED flash came on automatically. But the result was not good. (3 from 4 shots were with yellow-green tint and one was too bright (or is more correct over-exposed). But I must confess the scene was complicated if this matters at all: my baby in the bathing tub. So there is water, reflection.....
But anyway I put my bet on the dslr with a huge distnace
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That would have been a nice picture, but it do sounds like a challenging picture with the reflecting. Remember to record movies of your baby in the bathing tub. My daughters now 3 og 5 years really enjoy looking at short movie clips of them as babies splashing in their bathing tub
(they love playing games on the xperia, mostly drawing apps )
What I have seen so far is that the xperia tend to prefer low shutter speeds in low light situations. I still only have a handfull of shots to base my conclusions but with flash on it was using 1/25 sec shutter. This is too slow taking pictures of moving kids, you will need 1/60 or even 1/120 which is normally only available on slr's. Without flash it has been 1/8 and high iso, must admit it was under circumstances I would never have used my dslr without flash and maybe a bit unfair to judge the xperias camera capabilities.
I agree that the wrong color balance will totally screw up the pictures, have you tried setting the white balance manually in the camera? A setting I have not yet changed on my xperia and are not aware what options are available.

I have now made some quick comparisons of my three cameraes under low light conditions.
Might upload test pictures later when I have the time, for now you will have to trust me
Camera 1. Xperia Arc 8MegaPixel
Camera 2. Olympus u Tough 12MegaPixel
Camera 3. Konica Minolta 5D dslr 6MegaPixel
Test 1 without flash
Xperia 1. Kamera advance app with lowest compression, no flash
ISO: 1000
Exposure: 1/8
Olympus 2. Default settings with disable flash
ISO: 400
Exposure: 1/4
KM 5D 3. Full auto, no flash
Could not focus, too little light, camera suggested 3-4 sec shutter speed
(was using OEM lense with bad aperture which gave it problems focussing, could have used a better lense but decided to use OEM lense to keep the comparisons fairly)
Results:
Olympus had only a tiny bit more details and allot more noise, picture was looking very bad up close.
Xperia Arc, even at iso 1000 the noise was lower than my Olympus and the picture looked more clean with nicer colors. I definitely prefered the Xperia result.
The olympus will not go lower than 1/4 shutter speed and iso 400. I selected night scenery on the Arc and got a picture with iso 160 and shutterspeed 1/2. This picture had even less noise but was slightly blurred at 1/2, need a more steady hand but still a very useable result.
My DSLR would not take a picture without focus.
Winner:
Xperia Arc, higher shutter speeds and a cleaner picture with less noise. I was surprised to see the loss of details on my 12MP Olympus at ISO 400 compared to the Xperia Arc.
Test 2
With Flash:
Xperia 1. ISO 400, shutter 1/24
Olympus 2. ISO 100, shutter 1/30
KM 5D 3. ISO 100, shutter 1/60
Result:
The Olympus with flash and ISO 100 gave a sharp, low noise picture and the 12MP provided better details than the xperia could show. The flash on the xperia is not very strong and it was not possible for me to configure it to use lower ISO than 400. The xperia arc picture did give a nice result with low noise.
The 6MP DSLR with flash give the same amount of details as the 12MP Olympus, my old DSLR is still going strong and a better lense will give an even sharper picture
Winner:
KonicaMinolta 5D wins, followed by Olympus. Xperia Arc still gave a nice result but with less details and more noise than the other two devices.
One last test at a really dark area without flash also proved xperia arc to be the winner. My Olympus would not go lower than 1/4 iso400 while xperia used 1/8 iso2000. The motive was only visible on xperia arc and even a fairly noisy picture at iso2000 is better than no picture at all
My own conclusion is that the xperia arc/neo is really good at low light performance and even outperforms many compact cameras, but the the weak flash give some serious limitations. The low shutter speeds will probably also be an issue taking pictures of moving motives in low light.
(did shoot a couple of shoots with sony camera app and did not notice any difference from Camera Advance, I used the 3PP camera to use as little jpg compression as possible but I doubt the pictures visually differ much)
It would be interesting to do some tests during daylight as well, it will not benefit from the improved low light performance compared to other camera sensors. I am curious to see how the dynamic range of this sensor is, can it compare to my Olympus compact camera then it would be a serious contender as my primary point and shoot camera as long as flash is not needed.

Thanks forthe replies - I'm not expecting amazing things from camera on a phone Just want to make sure that software isn't unnecessarily hindering the hardware.
It also looks like it will be a couple of weeks before I pick one up...Unless i opt for something else in that time, but for a smallish screen size Android phone this currently looks the best. I do wish it had gorilla glass - but you can't have it all
Now I've found a confusing thread about in line remotes on the headphones that I need to figure out (yes I do seem to put way too much thought into these things!).

valqka said:
I really got the phone form several days and did not had the time try it good. I've just changed settings from 6mp 16:9 (strange for default settings) to 8mp.
Then the LED flash came on automatically. But the result was not good. (3 from 4 shots were with yellow-green tint and one was too bright (or is more correct over-exposed). But I must confess the scene was complicated if this matters at all: my baby in the bathing tub. So there is water, reflection.....
But anyway I put my bet on the dslr with a huge distnace
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I think the yellow green tint you're seeing will be from the lights in the room - you see this on most cameras of any quality, if you have a white balance setting you should have one for indoor/halogen lights. It's also normally easy to fix in Photoshop.

Camera picture quality

Is it just me or do others think the quality of camera (both front and back) pics are not as good as the specs says ? Im not really much of a camera specialist, but do others who have used 8Mp and 5MP camera think it works good enough ? Can Firmware changes improve it ?
I have compared with a 5MP Sony Ericsson camera and don't notice really different from the 8MP of p6. Also checked the 2MP front camera of a Samsung tablet and don't notice the 5MP fromt camera of P6 any different.
Or maybe i have to upload them on PC to notice the difference.

warea said:
Is it just me or do others think the quality of camera (both front and back) pics are not as good as the specs says ? Im not really much of a camera specialist, but do others who have used 8Mp and 5MP camera think it works good enough ? Can Firmware changes improve it ?
I have compared with a 5MP Sony Ericsson camera and don't notice really different from the 8MP of p6. Also checked the 2MP front camera of a Samsung tablet and don't notice the 5MP fromt camera of P6 any different.
Or maybe i have to upload them on PC to notice the difference.
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yeaah there are no much diffs to be honest.. i is bit marketing too..
And you can tune it up a bit .. set highest settings .. or manual settings rather than auto ..

GalaxySIIII said:
yeaah there are no much diffs to be honest.. i is bit marketing too..
And you can tune it up a bit .. set highest settings .. or manual settings rather than auto ..
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But i doubt they would market something as 5MP without the hardware And if the hardware is there then maybe the software changes could better the performance. I have seen other mobiles who had crappy camera quality and their firmwares were updated to fix that.
Edit: I guess this might explain it : http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Everything-You-Need-to-Know-About-Megapixels/647/4

Work fine on mine
No big problem on my P6. The camera do need some light thou and I use the Camera JB+ app which is easer than the stock app.
Remember to let the focus work for a few extra seconds. Sometime it needs two adjustments before picture gets perfect.
Good luck!

warea said:
But i doubt they would market something as 5MP without the hardware And if the hardware is there then maybe the software changes could better the performance. I have seen other mobiles who had crappy camera quality and their firmwares were updated to fix that.
Edit: I guess this might explain it : http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Everything-You-Need-to-Know-About-Megapixels/647/4
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yeah yeah the main is software.. the opticals are pretty much same in every device it depends of software created ..
I have china version and both camera is acceptable for me .. front camera is nice in skype..

I compared with Sony Ultra Z (8MP back camera and 2 Mp front Camera), it was nearly same in quality, but P6 seemed slightly better.. The front camera of P6 was also slightly but noticeably better although i expected it to be much better.
But my initial complains i guess is cause of the low light. All pics i took were indoors mostly. The ultra z also got review complains of a weak camera in low light. So in any case i would have to yet compare with other phones that boast of great camera to see whether the P6 performs as good enough as the specs say..
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yeah yeah the main is software.. the opticals are pretty much same in every device it depends of software created ..
I have china version and both camera is acceptable for me .. front camera is nice in skype..
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The performance is good enough for me too but i had more expectation about the front camera being a 5MP. Anyway Ill have a check how it is on skype.

warea said:
I compared with Sony Ultra Z (8MP back camera and 2 Mp front Camera), it was nearly same in quality, but P6 seemed slightly better.. The front camera of P6 was also slightly but noticeably better although i expected it to be much better.
But my initial complains i guess is cause of the low light. All pics i took were indoors mostly. The ultra z also got review complains of a weak camera in low light. So in any case i would have to yet compare with other phones that boast of great camera to see whether the P6 performs as good enough as the specs say..
The performance is good enough for me too but i had more expectation about the front camera being a 5MP. Anyway Ill have a check how it is on skype.
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I have HTC One and camera is just brillint and if u require for low light this is the phone for you ..
And I have iphone 5 and obviousy there is 8 back and front 1,2 and actually for iphone they released Skype HD .. cheeky buggers.. I emailed skype like WtF? and where is android version?? they didnt reply .. and i ve tested it o ip and it looks very nice .. so it depends even for network .. u can have front camera like 12 mpx but it wont help u bcos through these apps they throttling video stream on purpose ..

How do you get the focusing right ? I have noticed that once i hit the part of the screen i want to focus, it automatically adjusts. Fine. Now, during the process of automatic focusing where it focus back and forth, the picture gets quite clear for less that a second, but by the end of the focusing the pic gets grainy. So the picture taken at the end of focusing remains that grainy quality while if i was to quickly take pic in between focusing during the millisecond of clear time, i get the pic way more clear.
Im trying pics in indoors under a bright enough fluorescent light.
Edit: Okay i think i get it. Whenever the object i want to take pic seems grainy on screen, i hit the focus again and again until it gets clear. A couple of times is enough but i do notice that at first touch of focus the pic don't necessarily come clear and have to hit it once or twice more to get it clear.

Image Quality?

Considering it is a 2017 device, can we expect the camera quality to be at par with the new fad of "dual" lens? I don't mean the effects...I mean the resolution and clarity.

X0LARIUM said:
Considering it is a 2017 device, can we expect the camera quality to be at par with the new fad of "dual" lens? I don't mean the effects...I mean the resolution and clarity.
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I wasn't very pleased with the camera. The quality is just fine but more megapixels doesn't always mean a better picture. Low light always seems to render images or videos with a red or orange hue. Any zooming and the pictures get way too noisey. In the right light I've taken some great shots. Another thing to look out for is movement and facial tracking. If your subject isn't perfectly still, having facial tracking for focus seriously hinders the shutter speed so I find it best to turn it off when taking pictures of parties and kids and things that are moving.

jaybles said:
I wasn't very pleased with the camera. The quality is just fine but more megapixels doesn't always mean a better picture. Low light always seems to render images or videos with a red or orange hue. Any zooming and the pictures get way too noisey. In the right light I've taken some great shots. Another thing to look out for is movement and facial tracking. If your subject isn't perfectly still, having facial tracking for focus seriously hinders the shutter speed so I find it best to turn it off when taking pictures of parties and kids and things that are moving.
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Hmmm..over the weekend... I played with the device on display at some store. Wasn't very happy with the speed and performance. Didn't feel like a 2017 device. My 3 year old Nexus 6 is faster lol.. So..don't think I would be buying one (not at this price at least).

X0LARIUM said:
Hmmm..over the weekend... I played with the device on display at some store. Wasn't very happy with the speed and performance. Didn't feel like a 2017 device. My 3 year old Nexus 6 is faster lol.. So..don't think I would be buying one (not at this price at least).
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The speed of the phone has nothing to do with the image quality of the camera....
Like jaybles, I also struggle with the camera quality and are having the same red, purple noisy tint in very Low Light in Manual Mode, but also it can be a struggle to take steady shots in Manual Mode in daylight.. However, thanks to the Newer updated imaging algorithm found in the XZ1 and XZP which from what Ive read, SONY have used in the XA1U... it functions really great in Auto Mode, so SONY phones can now be used as great Point and Shoots.. and we no longer have to struggle anymore with ISO, WB and Metreing.
Ive found that by setting the camera to 12MPX in Manual Mode... gives great shots... 20 and 23MPx modes give camera shake and poor image quality in Manual Mode..