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[Q] Water sensors

I've heard that despite being designed for water resistance, the Defy has water sensors which can be checked for warranty purposes. Can anyone here report the locations of these sensors? And if you took your Defy for a bath, are the sensors now affected?

I guess most handset have these type of sensors today and there actually just stickers that get colored when moisture reaches them. So the only way to find out if you triggered it would be to physically open up the device before and after exposure. Since the Defy is not water proof I'm pretty sure that they will not replace your phone if it has been water damaged. If you just forget the caps on the USB or headphone outputs it will propably be damaged by water and you would void your warranty.

One is one the edge of the battery, it's a white rectangle with pink X's on it; the other is under the battery on the device itself. It's a tiny white hexagon.

the battery door is air tight, but only up to 3 feet I believe. so if you drop it in the toilet or in a cup of tea, the phone will be fine and the water stickers wont be affected. I would assume that there might be another on the inside of the phone.

Eh.. I would want to test this phone so bad..
Infact I'm considering bringing a ziplock bag full of water to the tmobile store and demanding the phone be tested before I buy it. Making sure that they bring out the one I'm going to buy and testing that one specifically.
If they say no its w/e. But, I want to see a test before I jump in head first.
With that said, the folks at engadget I think it was ruined one of the two test units because the flap on the back of the battery didn't go in right.

Snow_fox said:
Eh.. I would want to test this phone so bad..
Infact I'm considering bringing a ziplock bag full of water to the tmobile store and demanding the phone be tested before I buy it. Making sure that they bring out the one I'm going to buy and testing that one specifically.
If they say no its w/e. But, I want to see a test before I jump in head first.
With that said, the folks at engadget I think it was ruined one of the two test units because the flap on the back of the battery didn't go in right.
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OK, so I have had mine in a few glasses of water at restaurants (people bragging to me there was nothing their phone couldn't do that my could) and in a hot, tall Starbucks (regular coffee) at a meeting that almost gave everyone a heart attack. And, you must have seen the video where they start the camcorder and drop it to the bottom of a pool? W/O issues? I'm thinking of having a holster made for it that clips to the front of my snowboard.

They would be inside where the battery is stored. This part of the phone is, naturally, not water proof (battery, sd and sim card contacts). There is a water resistant gasket on the seal where the backing goes. It is spring tensioned so it makes a good, watertight seal. So, I would not sweat triggering the moisture sensor IF you have the back of the phone on correctly.
I wouldn't go deep sea diving with the phone either... water proof or not. I don't see any harm in having the phone in your pants pocket on the floor while your taking a shower though..

Sorry, for some reason I didn't see the NUMEROUS replies to your post. I basically just parroted off what the others had said.

Sorry, for some reason I didn't see the NUMEROUS replies to your post. I basically just parroted off what the others had said.

Moisture indicators are common-place in phones, generally there's one on the battery and another one on the phone in the area the battery sits in.
Most of them are white and turn a very noticeable red when damp however some others are, as people have described, white with a coloured pattern and the smudging of the pattern is the indication.
That said, any engineer worth their salt will be able to open up the handset and check the circuit-boards themselves for corrosion, the indicators are there to speed up matters but are by no means the only way in which moisture damage can be detected.

put it to water?

So my moto 360 is completely messed...

Had a shower with the moto 360 hoping nothing would happen after seeing all these videos. Everything was fine until the next day when I took it off the dock. Water went inside of the screen and it has messed it up. Motorola have stayed that they won't repair water damage so right now I have a ****ed up watch...

I damaged mine over a month ago, wading from across a pool. Watch never went lower than 3" underwater as waded/walked 50' to get to the pool bar LOL. That short 40seconds was enough to let water in and mess it up. Mine constantly thought it was plugged in.
You best bet would be to register your device and see if you can get Moto's extra accidental coverage. This was not available when this happened to mine, so I opted for the $100 at fault replacement program. They sent me a brand new watch and I sent the defective one back.

Motorola's specification on the 360 is "water resistant IP67" if you go look up the specification IP67, it says:
6 = Dust tight , No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact (dust tight),
7 = Immersion up to 1 m Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion). Test duration: 30 minutes. The lowest point of enclosures with a height less than 850 mm is located 1000 mm below the surface of the water, the highest point of enclosures with a height equal to or greater than 850 mm is located 150 mm below the surface of the water
So, since you did not exceed the specification, I would contact Motorola again and ask for management, state that the watch failed their advertised specification and insist on them replacing/repairing it.

I don't get you guys sometimes. Why even take it in the shower in the first place? Just because something says it is water resistant, don't mean you have to test it out!

Agreed, it was kinda stupid to take it in the shower, but regardless Motorola states it's IP67, so they have to stand by that claim and replace your watch. Don't take no for an answer, they're full of **** if they won't honour their warranty.

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Motorola's specification on the 360 is "water resistant IP67" if you go look up the specification IP67, it says:
6 = Dust tight, No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact (dust tight),
7 = Immersion up to 1 mIngress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion).Test duration: 30 minutes. The lowest point of enclosures with a height less than 850 mm is located 1000 mm below the surface of the water, the highest point of enclosures with a height equal to or greater than 850 mm is located 150 mm below the surface of the water
So, since you did not exceed the specification, I would contact Motorola again and ask for management, state that the watch failed their advertised specification and insist on them replacing/repairing it.
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That's not true. A shower, swimming in shallow water, wading in a pool - These all exceed the ip67 spec because of the pressure requirement . These watches can handle being submerged in 1 meter of water. They can handle one meter of water pressure. Showers, wading, swimming all exceed the equivalent of one meter of water pressure EVEN IF they were never actually over a meter underwater.

Reminds me of all the people who put their iphones in the sink thanks to iOS water protection update. Why on earth would you test something like this just for the sake of testing it? Gorilla glass supposedly can withstand being hit with a hammer or axe or nailgun or whatever. Does that mean you are going to bash your phone on purpose just to find out? Really hard to feel sorry for people.......

Same thing happened to me: went to an hotel pool (i.e. a very shallow one), started swimming (I'd say 30 to 40 meters) before I thought about removing the watch.
When I pressed the button, the screen stayed black, so I knew I was in trouble.
To make a long story short: the watch would occasionally accept to start, when plugged to the charger for a while, but wouldn't go past about 15% before starting to discharge again (still on the charger).
I knew I was busted (purchased the Moto 360 while traveling in the US, but back in France there's no Best Buy close at hand to have it replaced, even at a cost), so I decided to play my last card:
Following the instructions from iFixit, I removed the back cover. It sure was a bit tricky, but I was able to do it nonetheless. The sad thing is that the back cover is now cracked, but then the Moto 360 had already proven that it doesn't like water anyway, and I've been using a carbon-like skin on the back right from the start, so I don't think I lost much protection to water. The trick to remove the back is to heat the watch, which I did by wrapping it in a water bag (actually a microwave-heated cherry stone bag).
After removing the cover, I put the Moto 360 in a sealed box with some silica gel, and applied vacuum to the box for good measure (don't know how effective this last part was, though), and let it dry for a couple of days.
When I removed the Moto 360 from the box, and put it on the charger, I was able to get it to charge fully again. So I re-heated the Moto 360 and coverplate, re-sealed it the best I could, and I've been using it happily since.
Note that my first attempt to put the Moto 360 in a box with silica gel without removing the back cover wasn't successful, which means that the watch is sealed just enough to prevent water getting in or out when you leave the watch alone, but obviously when you swim in a pool (or take a shower), you add some pressure that lets water get in.
That was a close call for me, I hope that by sharing my experience I can help people to recover a usable watch, if like me you've got no way to ask for a replacement.
My advice: stay on the safe side, don't push the limit when it comes to the Moto 360 and water!

It's strange to see how commonly people mistakes the term 'water resistant' with 'water proof'...
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To those who have had their watches messed up from getting them wet, were you using the included strap or a different one that was putting pressure on the plastic back plate away from the watch?

yeah, umm... i never even thought about getting my 360 near water ip67 claims or not. smh.....

You guys are weird. If something is advertised as having x or being able to do x, why wouldn't you want to test that out? In normal practices, not extreme. Why wait until that fateful day when it fails to live up to its advertisement when you can find out early on? I used to shower with my casio all the time so it's not like it's not normal to do.
I'd be angry af if my ip67 device couldn't survive a shower when there have been many videos dunking galaxy s5 phones into water. Motorola needs to get their act together.

tedya said:
To those who have had their watches messed up from getting them wet, were you using the included strap or a different one that was putting pressure on the plastic back plate away from the watch?
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As for me, the leather band had been replaced by a silicon one... It certainly could have an influence, indeed.
freeza said:
You guys are weird. If something is advertised as having x or being able to do x, why wouldn't you want to test that out? In normal practices, not extreme. Why wait until that fateful day when it fails to live up to its advertisement when you can find out early on? I used to shower with my casio all the time so it's not like it's not normal to do.
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Well, I partly agree with that. Why would anyone intentionally test the limits of a potentially expensive device, then have to spend some time arguing with the vendor that it doesn't meet the advertised specs? The trick is, IP 67 certification isn't particularly explicit about what you can or can't do with it, so it probably wouldn't hurt to err on the cautious side.
I was used not having to care about water with my Pebble, though (5ATM waterproof), so I lost the reflex to remove my watch before getting near a pool. I'd certainly have thought to remove it if I planned some serious swimming, but then I only intended to get wet to stay cool while enjoying the sun, and I forgot about the watch.
And as far as shower is concerned, I personally try to clean the area between the arm and the band, so I'd never get into the shower with my watch. Especially one that you have to recharge nightly, and which as such doesn't even stay all the time around your wrist. So I guess it all depends what your personnal tastes are...

From my understanding, it's not warrantied against damage in the shower, because imagine how much more pressure those shower jets put out compared to just sitting in a few feet of water

freeza said:
You guys are weird. If something is advertised as having x or being able to do x, why wouldn't you want to test that out? In normal practices, not extreme. Why wait until that fateful day when it fails to live up to its advertisement when you can find out early on? I used to shower with my casio all the time so it's not like it's not normal to do.
I'd be angry af if my ip67 device couldn't survive a shower when there have been many videos dunking galaxy s5 phones into water. Motorola needs to get their act together.
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My car came advertised with airbags. Drove it off the forecourt, got it up to 70mph then slammed it in to a tree.

Chris_c81 said:
My car came advertised with airbags. Drove it off the forecourt, got it up to 70mph then slammed it in to a tree.
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Since I knew someone was going to try and use that, I added the "in normal practices, not extreme" part.

imo, some common sense is necessary. if you look at the watch it has holes in it on the side and the back of the watch. the watch clearly states that it is water resistant. i personally was not interested in testing the validity of those claims based on the fact that is said 'resistant'. if it said waterproof i would understand.
but as some one else stated who takes a shower with a watch on? why?

freeza said:
I'd be angry af if my ip67 device couldn't survive a shower when there have been many videos dunking galaxy s5 phones into water. Motorola needs to get their act together.
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Why would you be angry? IP67 covers being submerged in water. It can handle up to a meter of water pressure. It can't handle the pressure from a shower head or swimming with it on. The average water pressure in a home is 60psi. THAT IS ALMOST 4 TIMES WHAT IP67 IS RATED FOR. Taking a shower with the S5 would be a bad idea as well.
It's like complaining your 360's 300mah battery can't charge up to 900mah. It doesn't make sense.

Metallice said:
Why would you be angry? IP67 covers being submerged in water. It can handle up to a meter of water pressure. It can't handle the pressure from a shower head or swimming with it on. The average water pressure in a home is 60psi. THAT IS ALMOST 4 TIMES WHAT IP67 IS RATED FOR. Taking a shower with the S5 would be a bad idea as well.
It's like complaining your 360's 300mah battery can't charge up to 900mah. It doesn't make sense.
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It's nothing like that. My Moto 360 survived being put under running faucet water to show my friends. It not being able to survive a shower says to me bad unit.

freeza said:
It's nothing like that. My Moto 360 survived being put under running faucet water to show my friends. It not being able to survive a shower says to me bad unit.
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It's exactly like that. Just because your moto 360 once survived 4 times the water pressure it's rated to be able to handle doesn't mean any that fail to do so are defective.

[Q] An app for swimming?

As a person training for a trialthalon,I was debating between this, the Pebble steel and the Garmin Forerunner 920xt. I decided on the Sony, but soon realized none of the community shares the same love for swimming recording like myself. Am I wrong? Also, can I answer and talk to people using my watch? I haven't experienced a speaker on this thing, only a microphone.

I would imagine the GPS would still work in water, so any of the running/sports apps should work for distance. As for a speaker, no, there is no speaker on the watch--being able to use the watch for phone calls is not a Android Wear feature.

gtriamy said:
I would imagine the GPS would still work in water, so any of the running/sports apps should work for distance. As for a speaker, no, there is no speaker on the watch--being able to use the watch for phone calls is not a Android Wear feature.
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On the Play Music app it says "Play on Phone" and "Play on wearable" so idk man, my friend with a galaxy neo can take and do calls on his phone so mang.

TheSkywayBridge said:
As a person training for a trialthalon,I was debating between this, the Pebble steel and the Garmin Forerunner 920xt. I decided on the Sony, but soon realized none of the community shares the same love for swimming recording like myself. Am I wrong? Also, can I answer and talk to people using my watch? I haven't experienced a speaker on this thing, only a microphone.
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The Sony Smartchwatch 3 isn't made for swimming.
It has some IP68 certification that can hold back running water but when it comes to swimming it will break the watch since the water pressure is much higher.

LumPenPacK said:
The Sony Smartchwatch 3 isn't made for swimming.
It has some IP68 certification that can hold back running water but when it comes to swimming it will break the watch since the water pressure is much higher.
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Negative, Sony's warranty allows for chlorine and fresh water galore as long as you do not go scuba diving with it. Ips 68 means water and dust resistant I don't know why people think otherwise.
Also, how the hell do I connect this thing to my computer, it does not recognize through USB, and I have no idea why.

TheSkywayBridge said:
Negative, Sony's warranty allows for chlorine and fresh water galore as long as you do not go scuba diving with it. Ips 68 means water and dust resistant I don't know why people think otherwise.
Also, how the hell do I connect this thing to my computer, it does not recognize through USB, and I have no idea why.
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I suspect the USB Micro port is configured for charging only. Not data.

senectus said:
I suspect the USB Micro port is configured for charging only. Not data.
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Very lame. It has usb 2.0, so I thought I just needed an Xperia's version of iTunes type deal, funny because I updated it via USB so it's clearly a **** tease.

TheSkywayBridge said:
As a person training for a trialthalon,I was debating between this, the Pebble steel and the Garmin Forerunner 920xt. I decided on the Sony, but soon realized none of the community shares the same love for swimming recording like myself. Am I wrong? Also, can I answer and talk to people using my watch? I haven't experienced a speaker on this thing, only a microphone.
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Have you tried endomondo? I haven't had time to try this either, but endomondo recently added support for watch only. I know that if you use endomondo on a treadmill, you have to go online and manually add the distance run, so if you know how many yards you swam in your workout, you might be able to do the same?
I don't think you can answer and talk at the same time. Well you might be able to talk, but you wouldn't be able to hear anything. The watch is ultimately just an extension of your phone's screen.

LumPenPacK said:
The Sony Smartchwatch 3 isn't made for swimming.
It has some IP68 certification that can hold back running water but when it comes to swimming it will break the watch since the water pressure is much higher.
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I call BS, I take my Sony Smartwatch 3 into the pool for a swim, the jacuzzi and steam room every other day and it is fine.

Joachim Winter said:
I call BS, I take my Sony Smartwatch 3 into the pool for a swim, the jacuzzi and steam room every other day and it is fine.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
IP = Ingress Protection Marking
6 = Dust tight No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact (dust tight)
8= mmersion beyond 1 m The equipment is suitable for continuous immersion in water under conditions which shall be specified by the manufacturer. However, with certain types of equipment, it can mean that water can enter but only in such a manner that it produces no harmful effects. Test duration: continuous immersion in water
Depth specified by manufacturer, generally up to 3 m
*Note, I *think* each increasing higher number includes the protection of the previous number... so IP68 should include:
6 Powerful water jets Water projected in powerful jets (12.5 mm nozzle) against the enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects. Test duration: at least 3 minutes
Water volume: 100 litres per minute
Pressure: 100 kPa at distance of 3 m
6K Powerful water jets with increased pressure Water projected in powerful jets (6.3 mm nozzle) against the enclosure from any direction, under elevated pressure, shall have no harmful effects. Test duration: at least 3 minutes
Water volume: 75 litres per minute
Pressure: 1000 kPa at distance of 3 m

senectus said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Code
IP = Ingress Protection Marking
6 = Dust tight No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact (dust tight)
8= mmersion beyond 1 m The equipment is suitable for continuous immersion in water under conditions which shall be specified by the manufacturer. However, with certain types of equipment, it can mean that water can enter but only in such a manner that it produces no harmful effects. Test duration: continuous immersion in water
Depth specified by manufacturer, generally up to 3 m
*Note, I *think* each increasing higher number includes the protection of the previous number... so IP68 should include:
6 Powerful water jets Water projected in powerful jets (12.5 mm nozzle) against the enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects. Test duration: at least 3 minutes
Water volume: 100 litres per minute
Pressure: 100 kPa at distance of 3 m
6K Powerful water jets with increased pressure Water projected in powerful jets (6.3 mm nozzle) against the enclosure from any direction, under elevated pressure, shall have no harmful effects. Test duration: at least 3 minutes
Water volume: 75 litres per minute
Pressure: 1000 kPa at distance of 3 m
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I was under the impression IPS 68 means a level 6/6 for dust prevention and 8/9 for water prevention, 9 being basically a submarine. Water pressure works exponentially, the watch/smartphones Sony make can resist water up to 1.5 for 30 minutes. Doing the calculations, it seems to be about 17 pounds per square inch is what it can withstand for 30 minutes, though they usually say that as a safety zone. So since water pressure effect is exponential, then swimming laps at the pool is completely harmless as max depth is at the least 1 meter on a flip turn. Just don't go pressure washing the damn thing and let's get a swimming app for this thing.

Remember though.... the depth rating technically relates to max sustained pressure, be it static OR dynamic. Yes, a surface swimmer is not going deeper than 1 meter, but he is moving his arms (and sometimes at a pretty good clip), and that impact with the water is felt as pressure; depending on how hard you swim, it is not at all impossible that the force of the water impact wouldn't be higher than the static pressure felt at 1.5M. Just something to consider...

I would love an app which can detect my movements and determine the swim type, number of movements, distance, etc. (distance can be determined only during indoor workout as it will be based on turn around, for outdoor workout, the GPS can be used). I recorded movements with my Xperia last year by putting my phone in the swimming cap . Head movements was clearly visible and it was quite easy to determine visually swim type change, turn around, etc. (It's probably harder to determine the number of movements by checking head movements instead of arms or hands movements).
Unfortunately, my technical skills are not good enough to develop this kind of app (both Android development but also "graph analysis") but I'm 100% sure it's feasible.
This kind of app would make our SW3 a perfect watch for triathlon. :fingers-crossed:

Bluetooth headphones that would work?
Sorry new here. Didnt know if i should start a new thread. I too would be interested in a swimming app. Has anyone found any Bluetooth headphones that actually work with this watch?

I'm using Motorola S10HD on a daily basis and it works well with the watch, my phones and laptops.

Sorry I meant waterproof Bluetooth headphones that you can swim and listen to music from your watch at the same time

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Remember though.... the depth rating technically relates to max sustained pressure, be it static OR dynamic. Yes, a surface swimmer is not going deeper than 1 meter, but he is moving his arms (and sometimes at a pretty good clip), and that impact with the water is felt as pressure; depending on how hard you swim, it is not at all impossible that the force of the water impact wouldn't be higher than the static pressure felt at 1.5M. Just something to consider...
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I got brave one day and decided to wear the watch while surfing. (I know not supposed to take in salt water) But anyways, the watch worked just fine - it even gave me some decent step counts . I washed the watch in fresh water afterward and so far so good.

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Negative, Sony's warranty allows for chlorine and fresh water galore as long as you do not go scuba diving with it. Ips 68 means water and dust resistant I don't know why people think otherwise.
Also, how the hell do I connect this thing to my computer, it does not recognize through USB, and I have no idea why.
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really? I don't need an extra housing to go swimming/showering with it on my wrist?

reijin said:
really? I don't need an extra housing to go swimming/showering with it on my wrist?
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Reread the thing you replied to and take a guess
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reijin said:
really? I don't need an extra housing to go swimming/showering with it on my wrist?
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FWIW here is the text from Sony's own site explaining its IP68 rating:
The SmartWatch 3 is water and dust protected as long as you follow a few simple instructions: all ports and attached covers are firmly closed; you can’t take the smartwatch deeper than 1.5m of water and for longer than 30 minutes; and the water should be fresh water. Casual use in chlorinated pools is permitted provided it’s rinsed in fresh water afterwards. No seawater and no salt water pools. Abuse and improper use of device will invalidate warranty. The smartwatch has an Ingress Protection rating of IP68.

Does the iris scanner work underwater?

I am a scubba instructor and I need top security!

Don't think it will work satisfactory, as Water absorbs more in the infrared part of the spectrum than in the visible part. Visible light travels farther in water than infrared light.

Suuuuuuuure "Scuba instructor"
#Merpeopleconfirmed

Femmetechstic said:
Suuuuuuuure "Scuba instructor"
#Merpeopleconfirmed
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Lololol
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Only if your a fish!
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I saw a video on YouTube where they had the phone under water and the iris scanner worked. The phone was submerged but the person wasn't. Not sure if that will make a difference.
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Why would one desire to take a phone scuba diving? Sometimes I truly ponder the sanity of such people. Shame 'some' of the owners don't have the same intellectual capacity of their mobile phone! Scuba diving with a mobile phone.......Absurd.

Who cares
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Yes... the iris scanner will work under water... and about 15 seconds after you successfully unlock your device, it will fail from severe water damage

LouK said:
Only if your a fish!
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ChimpNippl3s said:
Who cares
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Me

Ryland Johnson said:
Why would one desire to take a phone scuba diving? Sometimes I truly ponder the sanity of such people. Shame 'some' of the owners don't have the same intellectual capacity of their mobile phone! Scuba diving with a mobile phone.......Absurd.
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They might want to take some underwater videos/photos? Don't think it's that crazy....

I wonder if the fingerprint sensor works when under water ??? hmm...

XavierAD said:
Me
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Sad ****
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ChimpNippl3s said:
Sad ****
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Sad that you're taking this seriously.

shaazzaarr said:
I wonder if the fingerprint sensor works when under water ??? hmm...
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Nope. It won't even work when your finger is a little wet.
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it might work
check this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yIgwa1K0pE

Femmetechstic said:
They might want to take some underwater videos/photos? Don't think it's that crazy....
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Quote. Android authority...
"Water resistant phones have become a major selling point for a number of high-end manufacturers. It’s certainly a useful feature to have, offering protection for your expensive gadget against accidental spills. You can even take some wonderful underwater pictures these days.
However, much of the marketing doesn’t really line up with the reality. Underwater unboxing videos and YouTube water tests have helped to fabricate a picture which suggests that water resistant phones are just as strong and durable as waterproof products, such as clothing, watches, and tailor-made aquatic pieces of technology.
Unfortunately, this is not the case. So let’s take a look at what you should really expect from a water resistant phone.
Water resistant, but not invincible
Water resistance is often confused with waterproofing, but the two terms are definitely not synonymous. The latter implies complete protection while resistance suggests some level of vulnerability and certainly not complete coverage. There is only so much that can be done to keep devices water tight and there are varying degrees of water resistance, with some devices offering substantially more protection than others. Unlike a waterproof material that possesses specific waterproof properties, a water resistant device is really just a tightly sealed barrier that protects the delicate circuits within. Unfortunately, if the barrier fails then your device is no longer water resistant.
A small splash with or even a quick dip into fresh water might not pose any problem to a phone with the adequate water resistance rating, but this situation quickly changes once we start moving into the real world. For example, chlorinated or salted water can attack and erode the rubber gaskets and seals that protect your device from water. Overtime these could weaken, leaving your phone exposed to damage from moisture. The same goes for coffee, soft drink spills, or Champagne, most phone’s haven’t been thoroughly tested with these sort of liquids in mind.
I probably shouldn’t have to say this, but although a phone might technically be able to survive a few cycles through a washing machine if you leave it in your pocket, a bump and crack in the case would obviously be fatal for it. The detergent and high washing temperatures certainly wouldn’t do your phone any favors either.
It’s a similar situation with water depth – take your handset too far down and the seals encasing your phone’s innards will likely buckle under the pressure. Good water resistant watches might be able to survive hundreds of meters or more, your smartphone will not.
We’ve actually seen Sony back track on some references to water resistance in its promotional material, as some consumers seem to have grabbed the wrong end of the stick. Earlier in the year the company updated its marketing materials to advocate sensible use of its products and suggested that customers “should not put the [Xperia Z5] completely underwater.”
SONY NO LONGER RECOMMENDS THAT YOU USE ITS PHONES UNDERWATER
The real problem is that water resistance testing is done under lab conditions against a rather specific list of criteria. These don’t always reflect the real world scenarios that some customers may put their phones through. Manufacturers certainly don’t want to offer warranties for every possible liquid based accident or scenario out there.
Now that we’ve covered what water resistance actually means for your electronic gadgets, we should probably dissect the rating system that often accompanies these claims. Many smartphone have appeared with an “IP” rating. IP, in this instance, stands for Ingress Protection and is a widely used rating system for hardware protection.
The IP rating system was developed by the International Electrotechnical Commission, and is defined in the IEC 60529 standard. The rating score consists of two numbers. The first deals with protection against solid objects, such as handling, tools and dust resistance. This is a little outside our scope here, but the higher the number the better.
The same applies to the second number, which marks a device’s protection against water intrusion. Here’s a breakdown of exactly what the numbers mean.
Rating Protection
X0 No special protection
X1 Protection against vertically falling drops and condensation
X2 Protection against direct sprays of water, up to 15 degrees from vertical
X3 Protection against direct sprays of water, up to 60 degrees from vertical
X4 Protection against direct sprays and splashes of water from all directions.
X5 Protection against low-pressure jets of water from all directions for at least 3 minutes.
X6 Protection against strong jets of water from all directions for at least 3 minutes
X7 Protection against temporary immersion between 15cm and 1m for 30 minutes
X8 Protection against long periods of immersion over 1m and under pressure. (Exact conditions are specified by the manufacturer)
As you can see, even at the highest end of the table, the specification doesn’t cater for very high pressure levels or deep submersion, and there’s no mention of temperature or other environmental factors. IPX7 or X8 are the only two levels that actually cater for proper submersion in water, but even then this is only for a limited time and in relatively kind environments. Even with IPX7, 1 metre (about 3 feet) isn’t really very deep and you can see where some confusion sets in when you see under water unboxings done while wearing diving equipment.
In fact, most of the rating levels only offer some form of protection against sprays and droplets of water. So you can get away with using most IP rated phones with wet hands, but IPX6 and lower devices won’t make for very reliable bath toys.
It’s also important to note that this standard is only designed to test devices in fresh water. So the chlorine found in swimming pools will still likely cause a problem for seals after some time, as may dirt swept up from the bed of a lake or river, and sea water is a big no-no for any exposed ports.
IP rated technology products are designed to be more resilient than your standard gadgets and can certainly take some additional punishment. However, they are not invincible and users should take extra care of their device after putting them through some more unforgiving environments." End quote.
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
X7 Protection against temporary immersion between 15cm and 1m for 30 minutes
X8 Protection against long periods of immersion over 1m and under pressure. (Exact conditions are specified by the manufacturer)
As you can see, even at the highest end of the table, the specification doesn’t cater for very high pressure levels or deep submersion, and there’s no mention of temperature or other environmental factors. IPX7 or X8 are the only two levels that actually cater for proper submersion in water, but even then this is only for a limited time and in relatively kind environments.
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If the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 is IP68 certified, you might have it in your pocket while swimming. With IP68 there is no time limit, as long, as you don't dive more than 1m ...
If this would not be true, what are standards for then?

hkr said:
If the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 is IP68 certified, you might have it in your pocket while swimming. With IP68 there is no time limit, as long, as you don't dive more than 1m ...
If this would not be true, what are standards for then?
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Official IP rating. water table only.....
2nd Digit: Liquid ingress protection[edit]
The second digit indicates the level of protection that the enclosure provides against harmful ingress of water.[1]
Level Protection against Effective against Details
0 None — —
1 Dripping water Dripping water (vertically falling drops) shall have no harmful effect. Test duration: 10 minutes
Water equivalent to 1 mm rainfall per minute
2 Dripping water when tilted up to 15° Vertically dripping water shall have no harmful effect when the enclosure is tilted at an angle up to 15° from its normal position. Test duration: 2.5 minutes for every duration of tilt
Water equivalent to 3 mm rainfall per minute
3 Spraying water Water falling as a spray at any angle up to 60° from the vertical shall have no harmful effect. For a Spray Nozzle:
Test duration: 1 minute per square meter for at least 5 minutes[2]
Water volume: 10 litres per minute
Pressure: 50–150 kPa
For an Oscillating Tube:
Test duration: 10 minutes
Water Volume: 0.07 l/min per hole
4 Splashing of water Water splashing against the enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effect. Same as IPX3 Spray Nozzle
5 Water jets Water projected by a nozzle (6.3 mm) against enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects. Test duration: 1 minute per square meter for at least 3 minutes
Water volume: 12.5 litres per minute
Pressure: 30 kPa at distance of 3 m
6 Powerful water jets Water projected in powerful jets (12.5 mm nozzle) against the enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects. Test duration: 1 minute per square meter for at least 3 minutes
Water volume: 100 litres per minute
Pressure: 100 kPa at distance of 3 m
6K Powerful water jets with increased pressure Water projected in powerful jets (6.3 mm nozzle) against the enclosure from any direction, under elevated pressure, shall have no harmful effects. Test duration: at least 3 minutes[citation needed]
Water volume: 75 litres per minute
Pressure: 1000 kPa at distance of 3 m
7 Immersion, up to 1 m depth Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion). Test duration: 30 minutes[citation needed]
Tested with the lowest point of the enclosure 1000 mm below the surface of the water, or the highest point 150 mm below the surface, whichever is deeper.
8 Immersion, 1 m or more depth The equipment is suitable for continuous immersion in water under conditions which shall be specified by the manufacturer. However, with certain types of equipment, it can mean that water can enter but only in such a manner that it produces no harmful effects. The test depth and/or duration is expected to be greater than the requirements for IPx7. Test duration: Agreement with Manufacturer
Depth specified by manufacturer, generally up to 3 m
9K Powerful high temperature water jets Protected against close-range high pressure, high temperature spray downs.
Smaller specimens rotate slowly on a turntable, larger specimens are tested freehand for a longer time. Smaller specimens are tested from 4 specific angles.
There are specific requirements for the nozzle used for the testing.
Test duration: 30 seconds in each of 4 angles (2 minutes total)
Water volume: 14–16 litres per minute
Pressure: 8–10 MPa (80–100 bar) at distance of 0.10–0.15 m
Water temperature: 80 °C
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As you can see the Note 7 is rated IP68 making the water resistance grade 8 on the table above. Samsung states 1.5m water depth for no longer than 30 minutes.
Please refer to previous posts as this can be very misleading. THE most important factor being static immersion as apposed to movement in water, Movement, even at a few inches depth, adds pressure equal to a greater static depth.
Hope this helps.
Ryland

Testing Samsung Galaxy Note 7 Water Resistence

So got my phone 2 days ago and finally decided to take my phone for a swim in my salt water pool. Everything was fine until I dipped my phone underwater for 2 seconds. Phone then started to malfunction like crazy! Power button stopped working, camera would randomly open every few seconds, google on tap would Activate every few seconds. I turned my phone on and off and let it dry for one hour and the phone was still acting crazy. Even while the phone was on the lock screen or on the always on display screen it would go crazy and turn the camera on! I was getting ready to return my phone the next day as defective. I then took the phone and dipped it in regular sink water for a few seconds and now it works fine! Does anyone know if this phone is only resistent to fresh water and not salt water?? Lesson learned, never put this phone near water again. Hope I dont experience permanent damage after only having the phone for a few days!

I am not surprised at the reaction that your phone went through. The only thing seperating your Note's innards and water are some rubber. Even though it's rated at IP68, it speaks nothing of it's ability to withstand what mother nature is capable of. But I recommend that you stop dipping your phone in water for no reason. Unless of course you have a YouTube channel to which I will say I am looking forward to hot nickel ball vs Note 7. I am a sucker for those.

I actually had gone to the lake yesterday and tested this out, of course after watching a youtube of someone else using the phone under water, and can't say that I've experienced any issues. Then again the lake is freshwater, but I'm interested in knowing more about the affects of saltwater on this phone... Probably because the charger port is still exposed?

The ports are sealed which means there shouldn't be water getting into the phone itself to mess with the internals. I don't think salt makes a difference except it might confuse the screen input.
The phone shouldn't be acting in this way if the seals are doing their job. If indeed there is water ingress, go to Samsung for an exchange.

Along those same lines of salt vs fresh water, what about hot vs cold/room temperature? Regular tap water from the sink, the pool, getting sprayed with the hose...all fine. But what about a jacuzzi, a natural hot spring or a hot steamy shower? I took mine in the shower yesterday, but at a lower temp than usual to test it out, it was warm water, and the phone did fine. Nervous to try a full blown hot shower or jacuzzi. Anyone have experience with it in hot water yet?

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Along those same lines of salt vs fresh water, what about hot vs cold/room temperature? Regular tap water from the sink, the pool, getting sprayed with the hose...all fine. But what about a jacuzzi, a natural hot spring or a hot steamy shower? I took mine in the shower yesterday, but at a lower temp than usual to test it out, it was warm water, and the phone did fine. Nervous to try a full blown hot shower or jacuzzi. Anyone have experience with it in hot water yet?
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Interesting because my pool was also Heated and was probably 85 degrees. I wonder if the heat along with the salt water affected the phone. It's weird but once I dipped it in fresh water for a few second everything went back to normal. However, I really think it was the salt for some reason. Must have been something Electrical that made the phone go crazy!

mix1987 said:
I am not surprised at the reaction that your phone went through. The only thing seperating your Note's innards and water are some rubber. Even though it's rated at IP68, it speaks nothing of it's ability to withstand what mother nature is capable of. But I recommend that you stop dipping your phone in water for no reason. Unless of course you have a YouTube channel to which I will say I am looking forward to hot nickel ball vs Note 7. I am a sucker for those.
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I literally dipped in for no more than 5 seconds! I didnt even use it underwater. If the phone cannot withstand 5 seconds being submerged in water than it should not be IP68!

thdaddy34 said:
Interesting because my pool was also Heated and was probably 85 degrees. I wonder if the heat along with the salt water affected the phone. It's weird but once I dipped it in fresh water for a few second everything went back to normal. However, I really think it was the salt for some reason. Must have been something Electrical that made the phone go crazy!
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Judging by my warm shower (not sure the temp, but not nearly as hot as usual for myself) I wouldn't think your heated pool would be much different as far as temp goes. I would guess the salt probably had more to do with the erratic behavior and random inputs than the temperature of the heated pool.

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Judging by my warm shower (not sure the temp, but not nearly as hot as usual for myself) I wouldn't think your heated pool would be much different as far as temp goes. I would guess the salt probably had more to do with the erratic behavior and random inputs than the temperature of the heated pool.
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My friend who has the Samsung Galaxy Edge 7 used his phone to take pictures underwater with his phone and didn't have any problems. That's another reason why I'm concerned.

Actually it is the salt waters fault...
Salt water is more conductive than freshwater due to the sodium and chlorine ions within it. This has probably meant the screen has freaked out as it works on conductivity etc.
Even after drying out there was probably a residual coating of salt on the screen and when you washed it in freshwater it was removed and it started being OK again.
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Really interested about people testing the Note 7's water resistance.
This was one of the big selling points for the Note 7 for me, but from what I've seen with Galaxy S7 tests and Note 7 tests, it still seems like a risk using your phone in water. I think I'll wait until at least next year before testing out the water resistance. I'd like to get some use out of my new $950 phone before I intentionally submerge and it blows up or something.

Do NOT put the phone in saltwater. That IP68 certification is for freshwater. The saltwater was definitely the problem. I've heard Samsung will not cover the replacement if they find out it has been in saltwater.
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My friend who has the Samsung Galaxy Edge 7 used his phone to take pictures underwater with his phone and didn't have any problems. That's another reason why I'm concerned.
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Unless your friend has a salt water pool, or was in yours, I wouldn't be concerned about it. I would assume the ocean would have the same type of effect on the phone unfortunately. In regular water circumstances it should be fine, as I've experienced so far. I'm just curious about how the hotter end of the spectrum effects the phone.
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Well seems we have our answers about salt water

salt water conducts electricity better than sweet water.
in fact, you should be fine dipping an open non-WR device in perfectly clean water as it doesn't conduct electricity at all(not easy to find)
water resistance with this phone refers to it's capability of keeping the water away from the internals, which it does well enough(i read somewhere the rating means at least 30 minutes at 1 meter depth)
your phone wasn't affected by water on the inside, but traces of highly conductive salt water on the screen's surface which mimicked tapping from your fingers.
you should definitely avoid "extreme" temperatures (freezing or hot water) as these will cause both the casing and the sealing material to change shape a bit which can create gaps.
and also avoid soap, as it weakens the water's surface tension allowing it to leak through smaller gaps.

I think Samsung should at the very least tell people not to use the phone in Salt Water in it's Ads!!! Alot of the answers in this thread make sense and it seems that it's not a good idea to use these Samsungs in salt water....

I went to the beach yesterday...i didnt even go in the water with the phone (too cold) when i was driving home I had a warning about my charge port having water.
Interesting.
Good info about no salt water... glad I didnt trat it the waves.....phew!

It's in the manual: no salt water, no washing with soap etc...
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See this guy putting his note 7 into coca cola flor 11hours
Phone do it great
Youtu.be/8eL7d55g994

Your best bet is to treat this water resistance as a precaution. Yes, Samsung even uses shows the s7 series (includes the note) as being able to handle taking pictures underwater. I am sure this is the case, but the warranty for this phone VERY SPECIFICALLY says that if the water resistance fails, they are not responsible. There is even liquid damage indicators in the sim slot. So, again, this will be at your own risk.
Also, salt is more conductive, etc, as everyone has already said. What is more important, and an effect that can't be washed off with freshwater, is the corrosive nature of salt on electronics, and rubber. The salt, overtime, will eat away at a water sealing gasket. If any salt gets into the sealed portion of the phone....game over.
I owned a S7 for 2 weeks, before returning it and getting an s7 edge (I now have the note 7). I was talking on the phone when I got drenched by a drunk buddy with a hose. Guess what? The LDI did not trip, and there was no signs of water damage. The phone worked fine...but the mic never worked again, for the remaining week I owned the phone. I even told the store I returned it to, and they were nice enough to take the phone back anyway. But if the mic malfunction was the result of the water exposure, and I assume it is, Samsung would not have been obligated to fix it for free.
I take advantage of the water resistance, but I don't flirt with it either.

Now I'm nervous that I somehow did some permanent damage to my phone. Seems to be working fine right now with no issues whatsoever. Speaker seems to be working fine. Anyone know other possible permanent damage to the phone I should be on the lookout for to determine if I should return it during the warranty period?