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[Q] Anyone gone swimming or showered with the Moto360 ?

Anyone gone swimming or showered with the Moto360 ?
Sorry if the question sounds absurd but would like to hear if anyone has done so or done so regularly and if there are any issues. I practically wear my casio 24x7 ... so just wanted to know.
Thanks.

The moto 360 IS NOT RATED FOR SHOWER OR POOL. If you look up what the ip67 rating really is, the device cannot withstand forceful jets of water or extended submersion. It was designed to withstand dust and short immersion or gentle splashes - NOT hot shower jets or extended submersion in the pool. I have seen a lot of misunderstanding on what exactly the device is rated for and would hate to see people trash their watches assuming its "waterproof" because it is not.

fwayfarer said:
The moto 360 IS NOT RATED FOR SHOWER OR POOL. If you look up what the ip67 rating really is, the device cannot withstand forceful jets of water or extended submersion. It was designed to withstand dust and short immersion or gentle splashes - NOT hot shower jets or extended submersion in the pool. I have seen a lot of misunderstanding on what exactly the device is rated for and would hate to see people trash their watches assuming its "waterproof" because it is not.
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Thanks. I just don't understand if it is really that much harder to make it fully waterproof when so many normal watches are water proof.
I wonder if the limitation is really around the wireless charging as most waterproof watches needs a steel back screwed on or due to the touch screen.

Well there are several spots that water could eventually infiltrate, if hot and or if a jet spray. The button, the back, the USB sticker, etc. Also, with a smart watch it is definitely more difficult to seal as opposed to a full steel case with screwed on back plate as you mentioned. To top it off, if I were Motorola I would stay conservative on what I had the device rated for to try to keep down issues of people seeing "waterproof" and going hog wild at the amusement park or cash wash with high pressure spray hitting the device.

Here's a video try:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khmC5EwdwqQ
And here's what Moto says:
Is my Moto 360 water resistant and water proof?
Moto 360 is water resistance, meaning it can sustain sweat and rain.
Water resistant in up to 1 meter of fresh water for up to 30 minutes. Exposure of leather band to water is not recommended.
Note: Moto 360 is IP67 rated.
That being said, I have not tried it.

I used mine in the shower its was fine however the water makes the screen flip out because it detected the water as the screen being touched which is normal however because the display can be waked by tapping it it was difficult to stop it from doing things while wet. So yes you should be fine in the shower. however if you decide to do anything ridiculous with yours don't come crying to me about water damage. I'm not liable for your actions. but mine was fine.

I drive a motorcycle, have been caught in some heavy rain with the M360, no issues thus far. Everything works fine.
I wouldn't recommend swimming in a pool or taking a shower with it on, there is no point really.

Well I mean I poured a bottle of water over mine to freak out my friends, but that is within the ip67 certification. Shower and pool really aren't.

Showered and washed dishes with it.
Like some people said- the screen flips out if you shower with it, as it senses every little drop of water as if it's been touched.
EDIT- btw, jets of water in the shower?? What kind of awesome jet shower head do you guys have?? Mine just spits water out with a very reasonable amount of pressure.

Btw I read on motos support site that they don't replace devices with water damage so I'd be very careful
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Safe to wash hands with it, you think?
I work in a restaurant and I'm always washing my hands.

raduque said:
Safe to wash hands with it, you think?
I work in a restaurant and I'm always washing my hands.
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I work in a hospital and have no problems washing my hands... But I do take off the watch to take a shower.

You can't wear it in the shower, because as others have stated the screen goes ape-sh*t...
Same goes with jacuzzi or probably pool...
My Gear 2 had the option of only waking the screen by pushing the button, but 360 doesn't have that option yet

Wore my gear 2 in the shower all the time and they are rated the same. I never had any issues... I got that thing wet all the time never had an issue. Wore it in the river for about 4 hours and was fine as well. That is until I got tackled and it went floating down the river haha
Also know someone who threw their Galaxy S5 in a hot tub for 30 minutes and it was fine!

I shower with mine all the time. I use WearLocker to lock the screen so it doesn't go crazy. No issues so far.

It is high time there was a consumer protection law requiring all manufacturers provide free repair for water damage of water resistant, waterproof or weather-sealed products, regardless of warranty status unless a) the device is clearly labeled with a maximum depth and the manufacturer can prove it was exceeded, or b) the manufacturer can prove the damage happened prior to immersion. As is, it borders on fraud to advertise a product as capable of withstanding one meter immersion for half an hour, and to then say water damage is not covered under warranty in any circumstances.
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fylim said:
Thanks. I just don't understand if it is really that much harder to make it fully waterproof when so many normal watches are water proof.
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Just so you know, there is absolutely no such thing as a "waterproof" watch. There are only varying levels of resistance. Even watches that are rated to a depth of 100m can't have their buttons pushed while under water; they'll leak. Diving watches also have limits. Ever noticed how much larger electronic devices are when they are certified for diving? Do you really want that on your wrist? There's additional concerns with a device like this as well...as in the discharge of heat. You don't want the processor to overheat just because the whole thing has been insulated against water to a ridiculous degree. And it has a capacitive display. Not so great in water. Not really necessary to further waterproof the thing. (A little bit more would be nice...perhaps IP68?).

fwayfarer said:
The moto 360 IS NOT RATED FOR SHOWER OR POOL. If you look up what the ip67 rating really is, the device cannot withstand forceful jets of water or extended submersion. It was designed to withstand dust and short immersion or gentle splashes - NOT hot shower jets or extended submersion in the pool. I have seen a lot of misunderstanding on what exactly the device is rated for and would hate to see people trash their watches assuming its "waterproof" because it is not.
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WTF I already took mine scuba diving 30m and it's fine!
The water just drained right out :laugh:

There's just something about electronics and water that has always frightened me.

knoxploration said:
It is high time there was a consumer protection law requiring all manufacturers provide free repair for water damage of water resistant, waterproof or weather-sealed products, regardless of warranty status unless a) the device is clearly labeled with a maximum depth and the manufacturer can prove it was exceeded, or b) the manufacturer can prove the damage happened prior to immersion. As is, it borders on fraud to advertise a product as capable of withstanding one meter immersion for half an hour, and to then say water damage is not covered under warranty in any circumstances.
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I strongly disagree. Companies should not have to pay for the lack of common sense on the users' part.

So my moto 360 is completely messed...

Had a shower with the moto 360 hoping nothing would happen after seeing all these videos. Everything was fine until the next day when I took it off the dock. Water went inside of the screen and it has messed it up. Motorola have stayed that they won't repair water damage so right now I have a ****ed up watch...

I damaged mine over a month ago, wading from across a pool. Watch never went lower than 3" underwater as waded/walked 50' to get to the pool bar LOL. That short 40seconds was enough to let water in and mess it up. Mine constantly thought it was plugged in.
You best bet would be to register your device and see if you can get Moto's extra accidental coverage. This was not available when this happened to mine, so I opted for the $100 at fault replacement program. They sent me a brand new watch and I sent the defective one back.

Motorola's specification on the 360 is "water resistant IP67" if you go look up the specification IP67, it says:
6 = Dust tight , No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact (dust tight),
7 = Immersion up to 1 m Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion). Test duration: 30 minutes. The lowest point of enclosures with a height less than 850 mm is located 1000 mm below the surface of the water, the highest point of enclosures with a height equal to or greater than 850 mm is located 150 mm below the surface of the water
So, since you did not exceed the specification, I would contact Motorola again and ask for management, state that the watch failed their advertised specification and insist on them replacing/repairing it.

I don't get you guys sometimes. Why even take it in the shower in the first place? Just because something says it is water resistant, don't mean you have to test it out!

Agreed, it was kinda stupid to take it in the shower, but regardless Motorola states it's IP67, so they have to stand by that claim and replace your watch. Don't take no for an answer, they're full of **** if they won't honour their warranty.

brew1brew said:
Motorola's specification on the 360 is "water resistant IP67" if you go look up the specification IP67, it says:
6 = Dust tight, No ingress of dust; complete protection against contact (dust tight),
7 = Immersion up to 1 mIngress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion).Test duration: 30 minutes. The lowest point of enclosures with a height less than 850 mm is located 1000 mm below the surface of the water, the highest point of enclosures with a height equal to or greater than 850 mm is located 150 mm below the surface of the water
So, since you did not exceed the specification, I would contact Motorola again and ask for management, state that the watch failed their advertised specification and insist on them replacing/repairing it.
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That's not true. A shower, swimming in shallow water, wading in a pool - These all exceed the ip67 spec because of the pressure requirement . These watches can handle being submerged in 1 meter of water. They can handle one meter of water pressure. Showers, wading, swimming all exceed the equivalent of one meter of water pressure EVEN IF they were never actually over a meter underwater.

Reminds me of all the people who put their iphones in the sink thanks to iOS water protection update. Why on earth would you test something like this just for the sake of testing it? Gorilla glass supposedly can withstand being hit with a hammer or axe or nailgun or whatever. Does that mean you are going to bash your phone on purpose just to find out? Really hard to feel sorry for people.......

Same thing happened to me: went to an hotel pool (i.e. a very shallow one), started swimming (I'd say 30 to 40 meters) before I thought about removing the watch.
When I pressed the button, the screen stayed black, so I knew I was in trouble.
To make a long story short: the watch would occasionally accept to start, when plugged to the charger for a while, but wouldn't go past about 15% before starting to discharge again (still on the charger).
I knew I was busted (purchased the Moto 360 while traveling in the US, but back in France there's no Best Buy close at hand to have it replaced, even at a cost), so I decided to play my last card:
Following the instructions from iFixit, I removed the back cover. It sure was a bit tricky, but I was able to do it nonetheless. The sad thing is that the back cover is now cracked, but then the Moto 360 had already proven that it doesn't like water anyway, and I've been using a carbon-like skin on the back right from the start, so I don't think I lost much protection to water. The trick to remove the back is to heat the watch, which I did by wrapping it in a water bag (actually a microwave-heated cherry stone bag).
After removing the cover, I put the Moto 360 in a sealed box with some silica gel, and applied vacuum to the box for good measure (don't know how effective this last part was, though), and let it dry for a couple of days.
When I removed the Moto 360 from the box, and put it on the charger, I was able to get it to charge fully again. So I re-heated the Moto 360 and coverplate, re-sealed it the best I could, and I've been using it happily since.
Note that my first attempt to put the Moto 360 in a box with silica gel without removing the back cover wasn't successful, which means that the watch is sealed just enough to prevent water getting in or out when you leave the watch alone, but obviously when you swim in a pool (or take a shower), you add some pressure that lets water get in.
That was a close call for me, I hope that by sharing my experience I can help people to recover a usable watch, if like me you've got no way to ask for a replacement.
My advice: stay on the safe side, don't push the limit when it comes to the Moto 360 and water!

It's strange to see how commonly people mistakes the term 'water resistant' with 'water proof'...
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To those who have had their watches messed up from getting them wet, were you using the included strap or a different one that was putting pressure on the plastic back plate away from the watch?

yeah, umm... i never even thought about getting my 360 near water ip67 claims or not. smh.....

You guys are weird. If something is advertised as having x or being able to do x, why wouldn't you want to test that out? In normal practices, not extreme. Why wait until that fateful day when it fails to live up to its advertisement when you can find out early on? I used to shower with my casio all the time so it's not like it's not normal to do.
I'd be angry af if my ip67 device couldn't survive a shower when there have been many videos dunking galaxy s5 phones into water. Motorola needs to get their act together.

tedya said:
To those who have had their watches messed up from getting them wet, were you using the included strap or a different one that was putting pressure on the plastic back plate away from the watch?
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As for me, the leather band had been replaced by a silicon one... It certainly could have an influence, indeed.
freeza said:
You guys are weird. If something is advertised as having x or being able to do x, why wouldn't you want to test that out? In normal practices, not extreme. Why wait until that fateful day when it fails to live up to its advertisement when you can find out early on? I used to shower with my casio all the time so it's not like it's not normal to do.
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Well, I partly agree with that. Why would anyone intentionally test the limits of a potentially expensive device, then have to spend some time arguing with the vendor that it doesn't meet the advertised specs? The trick is, IP 67 certification isn't particularly explicit about what you can or can't do with it, so it probably wouldn't hurt to err on the cautious side.
I was used not having to care about water with my Pebble, though (5ATM waterproof), so I lost the reflex to remove my watch before getting near a pool. I'd certainly have thought to remove it if I planned some serious swimming, but then I only intended to get wet to stay cool while enjoying the sun, and I forgot about the watch.
And as far as shower is concerned, I personally try to clean the area between the arm and the band, so I'd never get into the shower with my watch. Especially one that you have to recharge nightly, and which as such doesn't even stay all the time around your wrist. So I guess it all depends what your personnal tastes are...

From my understanding, it's not warrantied against damage in the shower, because imagine how much more pressure those shower jets put out compared to just sitting in a few feet of water

freeza said:
You guys are weird. If something is advertised as having x or being able to do x, why wouldn't you want to test that out? In normal practices, not extreme. Why wait until that fateful day when it fails to live up to its advertisement when you can find out early on? I used to shower with my casio all the time so it's not like it's not normal to do.
I'd be angry af if my ip67 device couldn't survive a shower when there have been many videos dunking galaxy s5 phones into water. Motorola needs to get their act together.
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My car came advertised with airbags. Drove it off the forecourt, got it up to 70mph then slammed it in to a tree.

Chris_c81 said:
My car came advertised with airbags. Drove it off the forecourt, got it up to 70mph then slammed it in to a tree.
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Since I knew someone was going to try and use that, I added the "in normal practices, not extreme" part.

imo, some common sense is necessary. if you look at the watch it has holes in it on the side and the back of the watch. the watch clearly states that it is water resistant. i personally was not interested in testing the validity of those claims based on the fact that is said 'resistant'. if it said waterproof i would understand.
but as some one else stated who takes a shower with a watch on? why?

freeza said:
I'd be angry af if my ip67 device couldn't survive a shower when there have been many videos dunking galaxy s5 phones into water. Motorola needs to get their act together.
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Why would you be angry? IP67 covers being submerged in water. It can handle up to a meter of water pressure. It can't handle the pressure from a shower head or swimming with it on. The average water pressure in a home is 60psi. THAT IS ALMOST 4 TIMES WHAT IP67 IS RATED FOR. Taking a shower with the S5 would be a bad idea as well.
It's like complaining your 360's 300mah battery can't charge up to 900mah. It doesn't make sense.

Metallice said:
Why would you be angry? IP67 covers being submerged in water. It can handle up to a meter of water pressure. It can't handle the pressure from a shower head or swimming with it on. The average water pressure in a home is 60psi. THAT IS ALMOST 4 TIMES WHAT IP67 IS RATED FOR. Taking a shower with the S5 would be a bad idea as well.
It's like complaining your 360's 300mah battery can't charge up to 900mah. It doesn't make sense.
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It's nothing like that. My Moto 360 survived being put under running faucet water to show my friends. It not being able to survive a shower says to me bad unit.

freeza said:
It's nothing like that. My Moto 360 survived being put under running faucet water to show my friends. It not being able to survive a shower says to me bad unit.
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It's exactly like that. Just because your moto 360 once survived 4 times the water pressure it's rated to be able to handle doesn't mean any that fail to do so are defective.

Water proof

Hi! Is there somebody (like me) that wear the watch while takes a shower? Or something like that?
In my case my watch is working perfecly, waiting for the 1.4 update to ensure speaker is working well.

Sure it will be ok. But just why would you wear it in the shower?
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The watch is not water proof but water resistant. Although claimed to be IP67, Huawei advised to take it off before showering. (Cannot find reference anymore unfortunately....)

Dima_2005 said:
Sure it will be ok. But just why would you wear it in the shower?
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Well, I just dont take it off when I do it (this and other non smart watches I had) Its just an habit.

OnnoJ said:
The watch is not water proof but water resistant. Although claimed to be IP67, Huawei advised to take it off before showering. (Cannot find reference anymore unfortunately....)
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Yes, anyway it still works. And anywise, I usually never go to swim on pool, I do it on the sea, and in that case is dangerous due to salt, iodine, sand, and other substances in oceans water.

I swam with my LG G Watch and it has the same rating. Its submersible 3m (10ft) for 30min.
Now when I say swim, I mean I take it in my little backyard 5ft pool. I typically don't "swim" with it, but its in there with me. I try to keep it out of the water. But I love it for when I am on call for work. I can change tracks on Pandora and keep connected when I am relaxing on a raft.
My friend has the ZenWatch 2, same rating, and he showers with his.
All in all I'd say you could. I wouldn't, just so you can clean your wrist off once in a while, but if you jump in with it, it won't hurt it.

player911 said:
I swam with my LG G Watch and it has the same rating. Its submersible 3m (10ft) for 30min.
Now when I say swim, I mean I take it in my little backyard 5ft pool. I typically don't "swim" with it, but its in there with me. I try to keep it out of the water. But I love it for when I am on call for work. I can change tracks on Pandora and keep connected when I am relaxing on a raft.
My friend has the ZenWatch 2, same rating, and he showers with his.
All in all I'd say you could. I wouldn't, just so you can clean your wrist off once in a while, but if you jump in with it, it won't hurt it.
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Once, i had a g watch too and while washing my hands the whole screen got filled up with water.
This happened after my watch got repaired, which I think this must have been the reason. No way i could have proven it.

player911 said:
I swam with my LG G Watch and it has the same rating. Its submersible 3m (10ft) for 30min.
Now when I say swim, I mean I take it in my little backyard 5ft pool. I typically don't "swim" with it, but its in there with me. I try to keep it out of the water. But I love it for when I am on call for work. I can change tracks on Pandora and keep connected when I am relaxing on a raft.
My friend has the ZenWatch 2, same rating, and he showers with his.
All in all I'd say you could. I wouldn't, just so you can clean your wrist off once in a while, but if you jump in with it, it won't hurt it.
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Umm... before you have lots of people with broken watches moaning at you, IP67 doesn't allow for anything close to 3m (10ft) depth. It is actually 1m (3ft).
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You can shower with it. I have many times, but the screen goes crazy like it's registering multiple constant touches.

I Used to swim with them in the pool and then went to sauna or Hamam but during last try the watches swiched of and never on again. even after one week service told me that there was a water inside. That means that protection is very weak. I used to have huawei talk band b1 and it was also IP67 but 2 of them where dead after sweaming with them. I suppose that huawei protection is weak. I used to sweam with my SGS 5 in the sea and filmed and nothing happened.

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You can shower with it. I have many times, but the screen goes crazy like it's registering multiple constant touches.
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Yes, for this reason I always turn teather mode on. Lol

maxidrom said:
I Used to swim with them in the pool and then went to sauna or Hamam but during last try the watches swiched of and never on again. even after one week service told me that there was a water inside. That means that protection is very weak. I used to have huawei talk band b1 and it was also IP67 but 2 of them where dead after sweaming with them. I suppose that huawei protection is weak. I used to sweam with my SGS 5 in the sea and filmed and nothing happened.
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Maybe if you would took SGS to sauna it would be also dead.

Does the iris scanner work underwater?

I am a scubba instructor and I need top security!

Don't think it will work satisfactory, as Water absorbs more in the infrared part of the spectrum than in the visible part. Visible light travels farther in water than infrared light.

Suuuuuuuure "Scuba instructor"
#Merpeopleconfirmed

Femmetechstic said:
Suuuuuuuure "Scuba instructor"
#Merpeopleconfirmed
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Lololol
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Only if your a fish!
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I saw a video on YouTube where they had the phone under water and the iris scanner worked. The phone was submerged but the person wasn't. Not sure if that will make a difference.
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Why would one desire to take a phone scuba diving? Sometimes I truly ponder the sanity of such people. Shame 'some' of the owners don't have the same intellectual capacity of their mobile phone! Scuba diving with a mobile phone.......Absurd.

Who cares
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Yes... the iris scanner will work under water... and about 15 seconds after you successfully unlock your device, it will fail from severe water damage

LouK said:
Only if your a fish!
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*You're
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ChimpNippl3s said:
Who cares
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Me

Ryland Johnson said:
Why would one desire to take a phone scuba diving? Sometimes I truly ponder the sanity of such people. Shame 'some' of the owners don't have the same intellectual capacity of their mobile phone! Scuba diving with a mobile phone.......Absurd.
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They might want to take some underwater videos/photos? Don't think it's that crazy....

I wonder if the fingerprint sensor works when under water ??? hmm...

XavierAD said:
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Sad ****
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ChimpNippl3s said:
Sad ****
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Sad that you're taking this seriously.

shaazzaarr said:
I wonder if the fingerprint sensor works when under water ??? hmm...
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Nope. It won't even work when your finger is a little wet.
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it might work
check this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yIgwa1K0pE

Femmetechstic said:
They might want to take some underwater videos/photos? Don't think it's that crazy....
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Quote. Android authority...
"Water resistant phones have become a major selling point for a number of high-end manufacturers. It’s certainly a useful feature to have, offering protection for your expensive gadget against accidental spills. You can even take some wonderful underwater pictures these days.
However, much of the marketing doesn’t really line up with the reality. Underwater unboxing videos and YouTube water tests have helped to fabricate a picture which suggests that water resistant phones are just as strong and durable as waterproof products, such as clothing, watches, and tailor-made aquatic pieces of technology.
Unfortunately, this is not the case. So let’s take a look at what you should really expect from a water resistant phone.
Water resistant, but not invincible
Water resistance is often confused with waterproofing, but the two terms are definitely not synonymous. The latter implies complete protection while resistance suggests some level of vulnerability and certainly not complete coverage. There is only so much that can be done to keep devices water tight and there are varying degrees of water resistance, with some devices offering substantially more protection than others. Unlike a waterproof material that possesses specific waterproof properties, a water resistant device is really just a tightly sealed barrier that protects the delicate circuits within. Unfortunately, if the barrier fails then your device is no longer water resistant.
A small splash with or even a quick dip into fresh water might not pose any problem to a phone with the adequate water resistance rating, but this situation quickly changes once we start moving into the real world. For example, chlorinated or salted water can attack and erode the rubber gaskets and seals that protect your device from water. Overtime these could weaken, leaving your phone exposed to damage from moisture. The same goes for coffee, soft drink spills, or Champagne, most phone’s haven’t been thoroughly tested with these sort of liquids in mind.
I probably shouldn’t have to say this, but although a phone might technically be able to survive a few cycles through a washing machine if you leave it in your pocket, a bump and crack in the case would obviously be fatal for it. The detergent and high washing temperatures certainly wouldn’t do your phone any favors either.
It’s a similar situation with water depth – take your handset too far down and the seals encasing your phone’s innards will likely buckle under the pressure. Good water resistant watches might be able to survive hundreds of meters or more, your smartphone will not.
We’ve actually seen Sony back track on some references to water resistance in its promotional material, as some consumers seem to have grabbed the wrong end of the stick. Earlier in the year the company updated its marketing materials to advocate sensible use of its products and suggested that customers “should not put the [Xperia Z5] completely underwater.”
SONY NO LONGER RECOMMENDS THAT YOU USE ITS PHONES UNDERWATER
The real problem is that water resistance testing is done under lab conditions against a rather specific list of criteria. These don’t always reflect the real world scenarios that some customers may put their phones through. Manufacturers certainly don’t want to offer warranties for every possible liquid based accident or scenario out there.
Now that we’ve covered what water resistance actually means for your electronic gadgets, we should probably dissect the rating system that often accompanies these claims. Many smartphone have appeared with an “IP” rating. IP, in this instance, stands for Ingress Protection and is a widely used rating system for hardware protection.
The IP rating system was developed by the International Electrotechnical Commission, and is defined in the IEC 60529 standard. The rating score consists of two numbers. The first deals with protection against solid objects, such as handling, tools and dust resistance. This is a little outside our scope here, but the higher the number the better.
The same applies to the second number, which marks a device’s protection against water intrusion. Here’s a breakdown of exactly what the numbers mean.
Rating Protection
X0 No special protection
X1 Protection against vertically falling drops and condensation
X2 Protection against direct sprays of water, up to 15 degrees from vertical
X3 Protection against direct sprays of water, up to 60 degrees from vertical
X4 Protection against direct sprays and splashes of water from all directions.
X5 Protection against low-pressure jets of water from all directions for at least 3 minutes.
X6 Protection against strong jets of water from all directions for at least 3 minutes
X7 Protection against temporary immersion between 15cm and 1m for 30 minutes
X8 Protection against long periods of immersion over 1m and under pressure. (Exact conditions are specified by the manufacturer)
As you can see, even at the highest end of the table, the specification doesn’t cater for very high pressure levels or deep submersion, and there’s no mention of temperature or other environmental factors. IPX7 or X8 are the only two levels that actually cater for proper submersion in water, but even then this is only for a limited time and in relatively kind environments. Even with IPX7, 1 metre (about 3 feet) isn’t really very deep and you can see where some confusion sets in when you see under water unboxings done while wearing diving equipment.
In fact, most of the rating levels only offer some form of protection against sprays and droplets of water. So you can get away with using most IP rated phones with wet hands, but IPX6 and lower devices won’t make for very reliable bath toys.
It’s also important to note that this standard is only designed to test devices in fresh water. So the chlorine found in swimming pools will still likely cause a problem for seals after some time, as may dirt swept up from the bed of a lake or river, and sea water is a big no-no for any exposed ports.
IP rated technology products are designed to be more resilient than your standard gadgets and can certainly take some additional punishment. However, they are not invincible and users should take extra care of their device after putting them through some more unforgiving environments." End quote.
Ryland

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X7 Protection against temporary immersion between 15cm and 1m for 30 minutes
X8 Protection against long periods of immersion over 1m and under pressure. (Exact conditions are specified by the manufacturer)
As you can see, even at the highest end of the table, the specification doesn’t cater for very high pressure levels or deep submersion, and there’s no mention of temperature or other environmental factors. IPX7 or X8 are the only two levels that actually cater for proper submersion in water, but even then this is only for a limited time and in relatively kind environments.
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If the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 is IP68 certified, you might have it in your pocket while swimming. With IP68 there is no time limit, as long, as you don't dive more than 1m ...
If this would not be true, what are standards for then?

hkr said:
If the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 is IP68 certified, you might have it in your pocket while swimming. With IP68 there is no time limit, as long, as you don't dive more than 1m ...
If this would not be true, what are standards for then?
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Official IP rating. water table only.....
2nd Digit: Liquid ingress protection[edit]
The second digit indicates the level of protection that the enclosure provides against harmful ingress of water.[1]
Level Protection against Effective against Details
0 None — —
1 Dripping water Dripping water (vertically falling drops) shall have no harmful effect. Test duration: 10 minutes
Water equivalent to 1 mm rainfall per minute
2 Dripping water when tilted up to 15° Vertically dripping water shall have no harmful effect when the enclosure is tilted at an angle up to 15° from its normal position. Test duration: 2.5 minutes for every duration of tilt
Water equivalent to 3 mm rainfall per minute
3 Spraying water Water falling as a spray at any angle up to 60° from the vertical shall have no harmful effect. For a Spray Nozzle:
Test duration: 1 minute per square meter for at least 5 minutes[2]
Water volume: 10 litres per minute
Pressure: 50–150 kPa
For an Oscillating Tube:
Test duration: 10 minutes
Water Volume: 0.07 l/min per hole
4 Splashing of water Water splashing against the enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effect. Same as IPX3 Spray Nozzle
5 Water jets Water projected by a nozzle (6.3 mm) against enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects. Test duration: 1 minute per square meter for at least 3 minutes
Water volume: 12.5 litres per minute
Pressure: 30 kPa at distance of 3 m
6 Powerful water jets Water projected in powerful jets (12.5 mm nozzle) against the enclosure from any direction shall have no harmful effects. Test duration: 1 minute per square meter for at least 3 minutes
Water volume: 100 litres per minute
Pressure: 100 kPa at distance of 3 m
6K Powerful water jets with increased pressure Water projected in powerful jets (6.3 mm nozzle) against the enclosure from any direction, under elevated pressure, shall have no harmful effects. Test duration: at least 3 minutes[citation needed]
Water volume: 75 litres per minute
Pressure: 1000 kPa at distance of 3 m
7 Immersion, up to 1 m depth Ingress of water in harmful quantity shall not be possible when the enclosure is immersed in water under defined conditions of pressure and time (up to 1 m of submersion). Test duration: 30 minutes[citation needed]
Tested with the lowest point of the enclosure 1000 mm below the surface of the water, or the highest point 150 mm below the surface, whichever is deeper.
8 Immersion, 1 m or more depth The equipment is suitable for continuous immersion in water under conditions which shall be specified by the manufacturer. However, with certain types of equipment, it can mean that water can enter but only in such a manner that it produces no harmful effects. The test depth and/or duration is expected to be greater than the requirements for IPx7. Test duration: Agreement with Manufacturer
Depth specified by manufacturer, generally up to 3 m
9K Powerful high temperature water jets Protected against close-range high pressure, high temperature spray downs.
Smaller specimens rotate slowly on a turntable, larger specimens are tested freehand for a longer time. Smaller specimens are tested from 4 specific angles.
There are specific requirements for the nozzle used for the testing.
Test duration: 30 seconds in each of 4 angles (2 minutes total)
Water volume: 14–16 litres per minute
Pressure: 8–10 MPa (80–100 bar) at distance of 0.10–0.15 m
Water temperature: 80 °C
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As you can see the Note 7 is rated IP68 making the water resistance grade 8 on the table above. Samsung states 1.5m water depth for no longer than 30 minutes.
Please refer to previous posts as this can be very misleading. THE most important factor being static immersion as apposed to movement in water, Movement, even at a few inches depth, adds pressure equal to a greater static depth.
Hope this helps.
Ryland

Use my watch in a pool

Hi, i have read on the manuel of my samsung watch active 2 .. that i can damage my watch if i expose it to pool's water .. how it can be possible if they have made this product for a natation

Hi, yesterday I have been using it in a pool, although I have not swum, I had it submerged for a long time and nothing bad has happened to it. I used the tool to expel the water and it worked perfectly.
Regards.

Wich tool?

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Wich tool?
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its a setting that plays a sound to push water out from the small speaker hole on the side. check in drop down settings or just regular system settings.

wakasensei said:
Hi, i have read on the manuel of my samsung watch active 2 .. that i can damage my watch if i expose it to pool's water .. how it can be possible if they have made this product for a natation
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There are chemicals in a swimming pool that can damage (perish over time) the water RESISTANT membranes. It is unwise to swim with ANY watch that is not a specified divers watch. Research the watch industry code on water resistance and you may be horrified at what you uncover........see chart below.
Watch water resistance
Watches are often classified by watch manufacturers by their degree of water resistance which, due to the absence of official classification standards, roughly translates to the following (1 metre ≈ 3.29 feet).
Water resistance rating Suitability Remarks
Water Resistant 3 atm or 30 m Suitable for everyday use. Splash/rain resistant. Not suitable for showering, bathing, swimming, snorkeling, water related work and fishing. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 5 atm or 50 m Suitable for swimming, white water rafting, non-snorkeling water related work, and fishing. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 10 atm or 100 m Suitable for recreational surfing, swimming, snorkeling, sailing and water sports. Not suitable for diving.
Water Resistant 20 atm or 200 m Suitable for professional marine activity, serious surface water sports and skin diving. Suitable for skin diving.
Diver's 100 m Minimum ISO standard (ISO 6425) for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving.
Diver's 100 m and 150 m watches are generally old(er) watches.
Diver's 200 m or 300 m Suitable for scuba diving at depths not suitable for saturation diving. Typical ratings for contemporary diver's watches.
Diver's 300+ m for mixed-gas diving Suitable for saturation diving (helium enriched environment). Watches designed for mixed-gas diving will have the DIVER’S WATCH xxx M FOR MIXED-GAS DIVING additional marking to point this out.
Please understand the 'problem' regarding water is not just the depth its the force we can place on a watch. Consider this, if we gently lower a watch with water resistance into a shallow pool all may be well? Now if we start to swim even at surface level we expose same watch to 'force' that is the problem. I am an avid watch collector also techno junkie and NEVER take any watch into a bathroom or expose it to liquid.
NOTHING is water proof, some things are water resistant. Said resistance is a very difficult subject to asses due to pressure from depth also force even at surface level. I advise to act with caution.