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Hey guys I have been doing quite a bit of searching through the forums and still have a couple questions about custom roms and rooting. Forgive the noobness but the droid incredible is my first android device and I only recently got it.
1. My first question is what is the simplest way (rom + root I assume) to get a stock version of android on my incredible? Also what rom would you recommend (I have seen a pretty big list but know nothing about them)?
2. What is the difference, if any, between a kernel and a rom? Ive seen both words used a lot and have seen kernels that are stock and roms that are as well. Which would I use between the two?
I know these questions may be dumb but I have been searching for a couple days and have gone through hundreds of threads trying to find the definitive answer (there were some benefits though, I use launcher pro and the droid x's keyboard now) any help would be appreciated.
1. You are right in assuming that the quickest (and only) way to get a stock version of Android on your phone is to root your phone and install a custom recovery that will allow you to flash a rom. It is not really possible for me to recommend a rom because rom's are all about personal preference and my preference may be different from yours. That being said, if you are interested in stock Android, check out Cyanogenmod. The biggest thing right now is that for the Incredible, Cyanogenmod is the only true stock Android that is compiled from AOSP (Android Open Source Project) however it is still in its early stages for our device, so it's still buggy. The other roms are modified versions of our stock sense rom, so some of the roms are modified to have the bulkier parts of of the Sense UI removed, but it is still a Sense rom.
2. I'm not going to profess to be extremely in the know about kernels, but a kernel is the go-between for the hardware and the os/applications. If you want to learn more about kernels, you can read the wikipedia page about kernels found here. Basically what you need to know is that the rom is the operating system, so if you wanted to change the OS such as from Sense to Vanilla Android, you would flash a rom. If you wanted to change the way the system runs, such as if you want your processor to be overclocked or undervolted, you would flash a kernel.
Hope this helps.
That answered everything! Thanks for the reply and I will keep checking the forums for stock roms that seem stable!
Hey guys
I'm flashing my mom's Desire (she has no need for any extra features above the desire's stock ones) so I'm wondering if you have any recomendations on a very stable and fast ROM?
I would have installed the stock desire rom, but since I rooted and s-offed the device already it seems a waste to lose it.
Thanks alot for your help
Oh and Sense is a must, she just learned how to use it, if i give her an AOSP rom she will have to learn to use it again...
USE THE SEARCH!!! This question was asked soo often.
Sent from Oxygen
LeeDroid - great rom!
New Leedroid's hd port is best for me so far.
ZedeN said:
she has no need for any extra features above the desire's stock ones.
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But if she doesn't need extra features, why do you flash it?
ZedeN said:
but since I rooted and s-offed the device already it seems a waste to lose it
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Can't you install stock s-offed and rooted?
Why would you root it at all when she doesn't need any extra functions? Also, you choose wrong timing to do so with official Gingerbread release in the upcoming weeks.
But, if I was doing so, I'd flash AuraxTSense 8.4.
sorry to barge in but i was wondering the same question! i know whats the OP need, he bought a new phone and giving the Desire to his mom. am i right?
even if you are not, i just bought SGS2 today and giving my Desire to my mum. need recommendation too. the most stock look and can be stable and no performance decrease in a long run. cuz i am gonna be away from her when college opens, so i dont want the phone to have trouble.
S-offed, rooted, Cm7 r2 hboot. but i'll go back to stock hboot maybe.
Try SGBS ROM!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1124810
Teppic74's ROM's are all stock and I started out on them. They're great and have some great power saving features hard coded in.
Would be great for your mum.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=773997 - Teppic's Thread
2.10.405.2 INIT.D ROM v2.0
This version is mostly identical to the first except it has a minor mod to enable init.d scripts. No scripts are included, so this won't affect anything in itself. However, it gives much greater flexibility for mods, and is required if you want to make some of the changes below. This version of the ROM doesn't include the radio, so you must flash an up to date version yourself if you don't have one already. You do not have to install the first ROM before this. Updates: latest Superuser app and new boot image (closer to stock).
Download ROM with init.d Support (2.0)
Radio 32.44.00.32U_5.09.05.30_2
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=422094&d=1287437934 <- Powersaving pack to flash at recovery AFTER ROM Flash
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=404595&d=1284981062 <- A2SD+ highly recommended so that your mum doesn't run out of room after a week of using the phone because contacts, emails and other app data also eat internal storage. Hit me up if you don't know how to partition her SD card to have an EXT4 partition
Basically, if you just flash the first two download links in the quote, you'll have rooted ROM that is entirely stock. No extra features or anything that isn't in the HTC RUU. Then if you flash the powersaving mod, nothing changes featurewise but internally the phone will use less power and her battery will last longer. She won't need to do a thing. With A2SD+, all you need to do is go through installed apps every now and again and move them to the internal storage (as the phone is "tricked" into installing apps on the EXT4 partition instead of on the phone itself, which means more apps available to be installed but just as fast as normal).
Wait, it's S-OFF and rooted? Why not give RCMix S Evolutionary Sense v2.0 a go?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=988570
I've been using it personally since the end of May. No problems at all, just lacking updates (but the developer is busy withj real life, so that's that)
It's using the new Sensation and 2.3.3 Android version and, it's sense, and, it looks sexy.
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Also, excuse my tutorial-like post above. If you can S-OFF and root the phone chances are you know half of that!
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Also, excuse my tutorial-like post above. If you can S-OFF and root the phone chances are you know half of that!
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I wouldn't put my money on it if I was you. Hint: check the newest Leedroid thread and see massive number of people trying to squeeze /system of 145mb on oxygen hboot. All rooted and have s-off. No offense on the op.
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But if she doesn't need extra features, why do you flash it?
Can't you install stock s-offed and rooted?
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It was my phone for less than a week over the easter, rooted, s-offed installed rcmix v8 then I got myself my new Desire HD and been using that (sig).
For the Desire I installed RCMix's rom since i didn't mind any bugs, restarts and force closes since i thought i would update it on regular basis with the new versions. But as soon as I got my new phone, I left the country (student in uk) and just came back this week for holidays, and my mom has been complaining with reliability so I'm returning her phone to the most stable build of 'stock-like' rom.
If you mean flashing a RUU and then rooting and s-offing that just seems a bit of a waste of time. Since it's already rooted and s-offed i would like to keep it that way.
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Why would you root it at all when she doesn't need any extra functions? Also, you choose wrong timing to do so with official Gingerbread release in the upcoming weeks.
But, if I was doing so, I'd flash AuraxTSense 8.4.
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Read above and the official GB for desire is unknown time away from now, HTC if i recall corectly have loads of problems with the lack of memory and they still havent given a release date. So as far as I know GB might come in months.
Thanks for the ROM name, i will check it out!
Kryten2k35 said:
Teppic74's ROM's are all stock and I started out on them. They're great and have some great power saving features hard coded in.
Would be great for your mum.
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Thanks a lot man, that sound like exactly the ROM she needs, I will check it out and thanks for the tutorial, i knew most of it but thanks for the effort
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Wait, it's S-OFF and rooted? Why not give RCMix S Evolutionary Sense v2.0 a go?!
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I might give it a try but im using sense 3.0 on my DHD and even with the newer CPU and more memory and more frequent updates it still has a few glitches. I searched through the thread and it seems that the ROM still requires some bug fixes (ppl talking about bugs with headset and other small bits and bobs)
Thanks everyone for your replies, I will check out the rom's and see which one will suit her best!
No probs.
I'm using a D2EXT modded version and I don't have any problems with the headset. The v2.0 is pretty ironed out, 2.1 is where people seem to be having issues. But for your mum I guess the Twppic74 ROM would be best, definitely!
@theguybefore Eh, but they're all pretty clear that you need the Cyanogen hboot? I guess you're right!
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Read above and the official GB for desire is unknown time away from now, HTC if i recall corectly have loads of problems with the lack of memory and they still havent given a release date. So as far as I know GB might come in months.
Thanks for the ROM name, i will check it out!
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That's old info. Latest news is that it passed QC and should be released in the next three weeks.
Forget 3.0 etc port stuff etc., you know you need rooted stock. She doesn't care for Sense 3.0 but cares if bluetooth doesn't work with handsfree.
Pretty sure bluetooth works ok with this ROM. It's hit and miss and dependant on hardware. The RCMixS ROM as I said has bee really ironed out. There's also the InsertCoin ROM which he's more up to date with advancements!
Hope you find the Teppic74 ROM well! Served me well for many months.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA Premium App
I've been using [ROM][03/06][STABLE][Sense2.1+3.0 GB]InsertCoin CM7 HBOOT/STOCK 1.0.8
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1016940
Superb ROM - Once I'd managed to install it (only recently acquired a Desire from a Hero upgrade) it's been excellent.
I can't find fault: Bluetooth (inc car kit), camera, video, iPlayer, GPS, Speed etc etc all running nice and smooth.
The only thing is that the arcade boot screen might not be to your Mom's liking - although boot time is good.
Cheers,
Rob
hey guys
Now i know you've probably heard this a million times and i do appologise but i'm not risking ANYTHING when it comes to rooting etc as ill only kick myself if i brick my device. So flame away if you feel like it but i'm simply being cautious.
I've looked through numerous guides on rooting and loading rom's but everyone is different so i just want to get it 100% right. Ill start with my phone and what i'm after when i root.
Phone: HTC One X (Tegra 3)
Unlocked on vodafone
android version 4.1.1
htc sense 4+
I'm after a rom which will get rid of most of the bloatware on my phone and give it good battery life in general but improved performance for games when needed. The best stable rom i've come to the conclusion for this is cyanogenmod 10. Is that alright for what i need?
I'd like to tweak the cpu and gpu abit to help games like nova 3 play decently, i heard the main issue is something to do with the cpu govenor? Whats the best way around this?
Bascially i'd like advice on the most simplest way of rooting my phone and then installing cyanogen mod. Do i need kernels or anything else?
Many thanks for your patience :good:
If you go to an AOSP based ROM, like CM, your GPS won't work and your battery is likely to be less good than on JB Sense ROM.
When HTC release the kernel source for JB, this situation will change.
You willl need a kernel that is non standard because you're on hboot 1.36. If I remember correctly, post 9308 of one of the CM ROMs is useful.
Thanks for the reply!
In that case i'd rather keep GPS ability as i use the sat nav alot. Could i use franco's kernel on the stock rom on my phone and just use that? That'll give me the options to tweak i need without changing roms.
No faux kernel won't work on a JB rom, there are no custom kernels yet for JB ! The custom kernels that are available only work on the older ICS roms.
Custom kernels will be available when HTC releases the source code
You can flash an older ICS rom with custom kernel that's no problem. But then you have no JB
Ahhh this is all making sense now
Fair enough, ill leave it all stock until they release the source code. I have to say, this is pretty damn confusing and i'm no amateur when it comes to tech and flashing hardware
Just want my One x to play games smoothly. Pretty pants on nearly everything i've tried so far (shadow gun MP, GTA 3, Nova 3, Battle bears)
Hi guys, I am a BASIC android user with BASIC phone needs. Unfortunately I own a HTC Desire Z with Android 2.3.3 (Gingerbread) and the very crapy HTC Sense 2.1 thats keeps on slowing down the phone and mostly rendering it beyond the point of regular usage.
I want the cleanest possible, fully functioning Android version available, like on Nexus phones. Just a plain, simple, clean and basic Android version. No need for overclocking, Sense crap, MIUI interfaces or other spectaculair may-work-may-not-work-brick-my-phone stuff, just a simple working smartphone, you can call with, send text messages with, Viber, Skype or Whatsapp with. You know, kinda like old people do with the phone
So 2 questions:
1. Which version would you guys recommend as being the cleanest one available on the forum?
2. How on earth do I get there? I have basic/bit advanced knowledge about rooting phones, Kernels, radio versions, etc, but this HTC phone is beyond me. Should I first root it, then CID Unlock/ s-Off it, do I first have to downgrade it to Froyo, etc etc etc. I know the easiest answer is RTFM, or use the search function on this forum first, but with my basic knowledge I cant seem to figure it out with the tons and tons of information thats out there on the forum.
So please, a few pointers, short first-this-then-that guidelines, and I'm sure I will get there.
Have a great weekend, DaMO
First of all, you're in the wrong section.
Second : The best rom without any trouble is this one : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242480
If you want more feature : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1714187
Both are very stable. Very fast. No problem at all.
But I have to say, these time, most of recent roms are pretty reliable.
Many thanks, overdose. As you are a mod, just move it to the right section.
And like I said, kind of a noob. So the post at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242480 is kind of a question mark for me. As far as I understand, this release is based on a CM7 Rom, with added features? And do I only need the ILWT CM7 Kernel, or also the ILWT Deamon? What is a Deamon???!?? and why would I need it? Found a downgrade/upgrade guide from Strawmetal, hopefully it won't brick my phone and I will be able to upgrade to a normal workeable ROM.
Again, many many thanks, and tonight I will either have a useless paper weight, or a normally functioning phone
DM
damo666 said:
Many thanks, overdose. As you are a mod, just move it to the right section.
And like I said, kind of a noob. So the post at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1242480 is kind of a question mark for me. As far as I understand, this release is based on a CM7 Rom, with added features? And do I only need the ILWT CM7 Kernel, or also the ILWT Deamon? What is a Deamon???!?? and why would I need it? Found a downgrade/upgrade guide from Strawmetal, hopefully it won't brick my phone and I will be able to upgrade to a normal workeable ROM.
Again, many many thanks, and tonight I will either have a useless paper weight, or a normally functioning phone
DM
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The deamon allow you to control overclocking, voltage, I/O, governors.
Witch you dont need, if you dont want to play with it.
i.e mimicry's already set to 1000 mhz cpu. You dont need to touch anything if you're satisfied with this cpu speed.
It's hard to find a complete guide for newbes. Back in years, I remember that I had to look at multiple thread to be sure how to root/backup/flash and make sure not to brick.
The major difference between the two (I was using Mimicry myself for the longest time, but I'm currently testing the Flinny Jellybean build) is one is Gingerbread (CM7) and the other is Ice cream sandwich. So if you're find with android OS 2.3, you will for the most part have the most compatibility with the phone's hardware (since all the drivers are avail), and will run better on the phone. But Mimicry will give you the features of ICS (4.0.x), but may lack in some areas like camera capabilities with 3rd party apps such as instagram (which is fixed in the jellybean rom I'm currently using).
But as a "basic" user, I think sticking with gingerbread will do you just fine.
I personally found this guide most useful and very easy to follow. The only problem might be that it needs adb and the respective drivers, but installing it should not be too difficult.
My favourite ROM, when it comes to speed and stability, is the "cm-7.2.0-vision.zip" found here. It might have some extras, but compared to everything else I tried (and I tried a lot), it worked like a charm.
Hello guys, many many thanks for all your advice. After about a day of work, I have a fully functioning Desire Z, with cyanogen 7.2.0 release. I had some difficulties getting there ( a faulty PC10IMG file, a bootloop after finally flasing the CM zip that seemed endless, a bootloader that gave up on me, etc), but learned a lot along the way. My conclusion: as enthusiastic and capable all the people at XDA are, nothing beats the official manufacterers release of the software. Sure, here and there also original roms have glitches and FC's, but basically everything works the way it should work, all the drivers are present and mostly updated. So my motto is: if it aint broken, dont mess with it
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Hello guys, many many thanks for all your advice. After about a day of work, I have a fully functioning Desire Z, with cyanogen 7.2.0 release. I had some difficulties getting there ( a faulty PC10IMG file, a bootloop after finally flasing the CM zip that seemed endless, a bootloader that gave up on me, etc), but learned a lot along the way. My conclusion: as enthusiastic and capable all the people at XDA are, nothing beats the official manufacterers release of the software. Sure, here and there also original roms have glitches and FC's, but basically everything works the way it should work, all the drivers are present and mostly updated. So my motto is: if it aint broken, dont mess with it
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I hear ya!
Which guild did you end up using? I found the one here too convoluted to take a chance on bricking my phone. Like it says to download ClockworkMod Recovery 5.0 and 5.8...well which is it? The cyanogenmod wiki instructions are easier to follow but it looks like they stopped developing at gingerbread which I already have. What I did was get the unlock code from HTC and then used busybox to install su for root access.
If CyanogenMod ever comes out with a more current version, I may give it a try but I am guessing they are only going to develop for the latest phones.
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I hear ya!
Which guild did you end up using? I found the one here too convoluted to take a chance on bricking my phone. Like it says to download ClockworkMod Recovery 5.0 and 5.8...well which is it? The cyanogenmod wiki instructions are easier to follow but it looks like they stopped developing at gingerbread which I already have. What I did was get the unlock code from HTC and then used busybox to install su for root access.
If CyanogenMod ever comes out with a more current version, I may give it a try but I am guessing they are only going to develop for the latest phones.
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I used a mix of guides, basically the procedure was: downgrade to Froyo, unlocked and temporarly rooted (S-Off), got it permanent rooted, and then installed CM 7.2.0
Thats all
Hi all,
I'm fairly new to all of this. Have been on XDA before, but that was a while ago.
I don't like my standard Desire HD with 2.3.5 Android anymore. And there is no update for this.
So I thought I'd look here for a custom ROM which could be nice.
However, I've been told that a custom ROM has it's downsides. But before I just blindly believe those claims, I'd like to ask you guys to tell me what the truth is.
1. I've been told that there is no custom ROM which gives you ALL and every function. You always either loose the use of the camera, or the speaker doesn't work.
2. I've also been told that you cannot go on Google Play store when using a custom ROM.
3. They said that you cannot go back to the original HTC Android after rooting and using a custom ROM.
4. In most cases, a custom ROM will improve performance (compared to the stock HTC ROM).
5. And finally: they claim that when using a custom ROM, certain apps or games won't work.
I've got no clue about these things really, but I'm am kinda interested in the whole concept of rooting. I'm good with computers and learn fast, so I do think I can learn how to do this (eventually ).
Thanks.
1. False. At the very least, stock rooted ROMs like Android Revolution HD has everything working. For other ROMs, it depends.
2. False. Flash gapps if using an AOSP-based ROM and Play Store will show up. It comes with Sense ROMs.
3. To some extent, true. If you unlock the bootloader, HTC will know, even if you relock. And if there is no RUU for your original ROM you can't revert to your exact original ROM.
4. True. Depends on ROM optimizations.
5. False. See #1.
Great, thanks for the reply.
Seems for me that if I wanna use a custom ROM, I just need to find a custom ROM that will allow me to use Google Play Store.
Just wondering: what does RUU mean?
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Great, thanks for the reply.
Seems for me that if I wanna use a custom ROM, I just need to find a custom ROM that will allow me to use Google Play Store.
Just wondering: what does RUU mean?
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Any custom ROM will let you use the Play Store. If one doesn't include it preinstalled, it means that it's AOSP based and you just need to flash gapps. The OP of most ROM threads will have a link to the recommended version. A RUU is a region-specific executable distributed by HTC that installs and/or updates the stock ROM, bootloader, radio, and recovery.
Well, then it seems like I just have to learn what AOSP and Flash Gapps means .
Google is my friend.
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Well, then it seems like I just have to learn what AOSP and Flash Gapps means .
Google is my friend.
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GAPPS is Google APPS. Some roms come with all the google apps bundled some dont. The ones that dont you will need to flash the Gapps.zip file straight after flashing the rom.zip file.
Start with Android Revolution v6. Its all the same as you have got now, everything works. You can try v7 which is just a sense upgrade to sense 3.5. Both have gapps included.
If you want to try something new then give jellytime r10 or unofficial CM10.1. Both need gapps downloading seperatly and is linked to in the 1st post of each thread.
Many more roms available, happy flashing
Edit: neither of the last 2 are sense roms.
Thanks for the explanation and the tips!
Am I allowed to either open a new topic where I can ask which ROM is best suited for me, OR should/can I do that in this topic?
I've been browsing the topics in the development sub-forum, and most off them look great and sound great. Just not really sure if I should look for certain things.
supervinnie40 said:
Thanks for the explanation and the tips!
Am I allowed to either open a new topic where I can ask which ROM is best suited for me, OR should/can I do that in this topic?
I've been browsing the topics in the development sub-forum, and most off them look great and sound great. Just not really sure if I should look for certain things.
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Topics like that aren't allowed by forum rules. The usual advice is to try them for yourself.