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What Do You Consider 'Good' Battery Life?

NOTE: Fourth Option Should Read 16-24 Hours of LIGHT Use!
I see a lot of people constantly talking about battery life on here and how they are disappointed by what they are seeing from ROMs, kernels, or the OTA release.
I'm interested to see exactly what sort of expectations people have on the lifetime of their phone.
I've been fairly cognizant of my phone's power consumption and have done a lot to ensure I understand how I use it and what effect that has on its life between charges.
I understand that a first generation phone with the largest screen, the fastest processor available, the most processor intensive camera, with animated wallpapers, synchronization to various web services, flash, and borderline experimental next-generation wireless connectivity that can tether to multiple devices. To have all that on a unit marginally larger than my old Palm Pre and roughly the same battery size (1150mAh stock) is going to come with some compromises.
I tend to overclock, ROM flash, and beat the snot out of my phone on a regular basis. Therefore, I have a super gigantic Seidio battery that I absolutely adore. I found that even before that, I was able to get my battery life under control if I controlled my phone properly, so I'm not sure what the problem is.
Did some people just get bad phones? Are some people just being unrealistic with their expectations? What goals do you think people should be setting for the lifetime of their phone between charges?
Its an honest question.

I used to get almost a week out of an old motorola flip style phone (v500 something).
Everything since then has been downhill.

I'm not under the false impression that these new phones are going to last as long as the older "dumb" phones, BUT.....Id like to be able to get through the day without charging my phone. I keep my screen about 40% brightness, I'm usually in an area with good reception, I only sync my Gmail, I've calibrated my battery, etc. The only real USE my phone gets is texting. I unplug my phone at 5am and its more than half gone by noon. Not real great IMO.

I think this will provide valuable insight as to expectations for this phone. Personally I have used smartphones since I can remember and I was bread to expect a nightly charge.

It may be unacceptable to some that we have to "mod" our phones to get reasonable battery life, but I really dont have too many complaints. Out of the box, the EVO is running a 1gz processor and powering a 4.3" display. Not to mention if you're running wifi and various apps. I think some people are just expecting too much from these phones. Look at laptops. When my dell was brand new, I could get 2-3 hours of steady use before it conked out. The battery life our phones are getting, modded or stock, isnt really that bad. If you're unwilling to do some research and easy mods or buy a spare $20 OEM battery off eBay please dont complain about it.

spiicytuna said:
I think this will provide valuable insight as to expectations for this phone. Personally I have used smartphones since I can remember and I was bread to expect a nightly charge.
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A nightly charge is acceptable. It's when you have to charge 2-3 times a day from moderate usage that is a little out of hand... Understandable that with heavier usage, more frequent charges would be needed.

Wat kernel is best for saving battery life.. i use CM6 NB
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Wat kernel is best for saving battery life.. i use CM6 NB
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Off Topic.

I want to power a small village from my phone please

I want my phone to last a day. And call a typical day something like:
- l/2-1 hour talk
- 12-24 text messages
- 45 minutes - 2 hours web browsing
- 2 hours music
My iPhone 3GS would do this without a problem, my wife's iPhone 4 might do 2 days like this. The EVO just barely does this.
But.. I prefer the EVO for enough reasons I just dropped $10 for 2 extra batteries and a phone-less charger on ebay, and keep chargers in the car and at my desk, and get it plugged in for like 30 minutes somewhere during the day. I rarely use the backup batteries, but it is nice to have them.
Totally worth it for a bigger screen, 4G, more open OS.

laydros said:
I want my phone to last a day. And call a typical day something like:
- l/2-1 hour talk
- 12-24 text messages
- 45 minutes - 2 hours web browsing
- 2 hours music
My iPhone 3GS would do this without a problem, my wife's iPhone 4 might do 2 days like this. The EVO just barely does this.
But.. I prefer the EVO for enough reasons I just dropped $10 for 2 extra batteries and a phone-less charger on ebay, and keep chargers in the car and at my desk, and get it plugged in for like 30 minutes somewhere during the day. I rarely use the backup batteries, but it is nice to have them.
Totally worth it for a bigger screen, 4G, more open OS.
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This definitely sounds doable. If you aren't getting that out of your phone, I'd reccomend calling support. I'm going to assume your dedication has already lead you down your own troubleshooting path.

My standard was set with my BlackBerry: less than 5% discharge rate per hour under normal use, and I am happy.
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Happy owner & don't mind the battery

Just wanted to say thank you to all who participate in this forum as it was always extremely helpful for me over the past couple of years.
I have the One X (European Version) for two weeks now and I think its a great phone! I love HTC Sense (that was a reason to go for the One X and not Samsung S III) and I find that the design, the screen etc gives nothing away to Apple or Samsung (saying this as a happy iPad and MacBook Air owner btw!)!
What bothers me slightly is all the reports about battery life and I thought I add a littlebit to it:
My first mobile was a Siemens S3 with a Ni-MH battery (many moons ago) which lasted me about a day with normal usage. I then (thanks to eBay) had many many many mobiles mainly from Siemens, Nokia, SonyEricsson and lately Apple and HTC.
With the introduction of color screens that got bigger with every new release, I saw my battery time going down. The smartphones were introduced and battery time went down further. I remember my first 3G smartphone (though not what it was) and how shocked I was that I had to charge it in the office as it didn't last a whole day. Then I upgraded to an iPhone 3G and it was only slightly better.
Now I am the proud owner of the One X with a massive screen and a quad-core processor and with medium usage it lasts one (office) day.
Am I unhappy about it? No! The reason for that is that I came to realize that while there were constant developments in smartphone technology, the Li-ion battery development is more or less still where it was about 10 years ago.
I think the battery time is the price to pay for a very very high spec phone until there is a breakthrough with fuel cell batteries and I personally are very happy to pay it esp as most of us have the ability to charge our phones at least twice a day.
Again, thanks to everyone for this great forum!
Chris

Actually a lot have happend in the battery department. We could only have one battery charge a month if we actually had in our phones. If they just could release it to the masses ....

Sckank said:
Actually a lot have happend in the battery department. We could only have one battery charge a month if we actually had in our phones. If they just could release it to the masses ....
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LOL yeah!!, the stupid dimwits dont see the market potential it seems! ;-)

Sckank said:
Actually a lot have happend in the battery department. We could only have one battery charge a month if we actually had in our phones. If they just could release it to the masses ....
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That kind of technology is not ready yet, it is not safe, lithum-ion batteries sometimes blow up destroying itself, taking down whole house in fire so what would happen to the month capacity battery if it fails ? a hand grande type of blow up i think. We cant have this for a reason, more important is how far we can push cpu clock in a given nano-micron technology before it will be too frustrating to charge every now and then.

I think the battery life on the HOX is brilliant. I had a Desire HD before, and I noticed quite a difference moving to the HOX.
I just charge mine over night and it's all good.

Northantrim said:
I think the battery life on the HOX is brilliant. I had a Desire HD before, and I noticed quite a difference moving to the HOX.
I just charge mine over night and it's all good.
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You just said my words, also once the playing time with the shiny gadget decreases the battery time automatically increases.
Coming from a heavily optimized HD2, I used to get 6-7 hours when the phone was used massively, say 1.5-2 hours of screen on time, whereas with a bigger screen and 5 times the processor and faster mind you .. HOX lasts me a day when I keep playing with it (2.5-3hrs of screen on time). Its just an upgradation from 1200 to 1800 mah . Also point to note.. my HOX is un rooted with Sense with all its glory, HD2 was on CM7.
I like to keep my charger with me, at least the cable.. it just gives me a peace of mind.

Northantrim said:
I think the battery life on the HOX is brilliant. I had a Desire HD before, and I noticed quite a difference moving to the HOX.
I just charge mine over night and it's all good.
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Wish I could say the same personally, I could always get a full days use out of my DHD including doing lots of browsing and gaming. Makes me wonder if my battery is faulty

Thanks & agree

I agree but as this thread serves no purpose the mods will close it

+1, I agree.
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I agree but as this thread serves no purpose the mods will close it
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What made you go with the Razer Phone

I am torn between upgrading my 6p to a 5t or Razer. I do play a ton of games, so the Razer phone looks amazing to me, can anyone with the phone or that bought the phone tell me why you went with it over other models? How is the battery life for the users out there? Do you get more than a days worth?

I came from a Nexus 6.
The reason I made the jump to the razer phone was mainly the price/quality ratio. Living in a world of £1000 Samsung's and iPhones just wasn't for me.
Love the phone so far.
Battery life has been superb, have had 7hrs SOT so far at the weekend and since it's been weekdays with less usage I've had around 4hrs screen on time and going to bed with 35-45% left which for me is incredible.
7hrs SOT screenshot. https://m.imgur.com/a/ivhrK

ItzMar said:
I came from a Nexus 6.
The reason I made the jump to the razer phone was mainly the price/quality ratio. Living in a world of £1000 Samsung's and iPhones just wasn't for me.
Love the phone so far.
Battery life has been superb, have had 7hrs SOT so far at the weekend and since it's been weekdays with less usage I've had around 4hrs screen on time and going to bed with 35-45% left which for me is incredible.
7hrs SOT screenshot. https://m.imgur.com/a/ivhrK
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I would like to ask one more question. I was watching a review on Youtube and the claimed the phone got warm during gaming... did you experience this? I mean I can take warm but I've had phones that got so hot that it made it super uncomfortable to hold even in Chicago winters.

It doesn't get hot. At least not like previous phones I've had. This might be dampened by the case though.
But to the op, I got it because it has better specs AND a better screen refresh rate. And that's before we even talk about the amazing speakers.
All I have to say is if this is razers FIRST phone and it beats other brands on their 5th+ generation models, uhhh, ya, I can't even imagine how Uber the 2nd gen will be.
I do believe this is where other companies are going to start putting Uber stereo front facing speakers and higher refresh rate screens on their phones.
Oh, and the stock Android experience is always a win. After having an s8 for a couple weeks I'll never buy some bloated, carrier branded crap again.

ItzMar said:
I came from a Nexus 6.
The reason I made the jump to the razer phone was mainly the price/quality ratio. Living in a world of £1000 Samsung's and iPhones just wasn't for me.
Love the phone so far.
Battery life has been superb, have had 7hrs SOT so far at the weekend and since it's been weekdays with less usage I've had around 4hrs screen on time and going to bed with 35-45% left which for me is incredible.
7hrs SOT screenshot. https://m.imgur.com/a/ivhrK
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Are you getting that SOT with fhd or qhd resolution? Once I set my default to 1080p I noticed a way better battery life. Gsmarenas battery review had me worried before I bought it. But now, with 1 hour of SOT at 87% battery I'm feeling much better.
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Depending on the game it varies, playing Kingdom Rush it doesnt even warm up at all.
Playing Asphalt or Titanfall it gets warm to failry warm.
Wouldnt describe it as hot though.
SOT was with 120hz, 1440p. Been getting such great battery life with my day to day usage that i havent seen the need to change anything.

Trying the phone with battery saver always on, 720p @60Hz, and 25-30% adaptive brightness, sometimes adjusting to 80% for outside, I'm so far hitting 5 hours screen on time with 48% battery life left. Doing a bunch of web, mail, vids, and texting, all over cell data. Launched titanfall too, to show a buddy for 5 minutes or so.

kungpaoshizi said:
It doesn't get hot. At least not like previous phones I've had. This might be dampened by the case though.
But to the op, I got it because it has better specs AND a better screen refresh rate. And that's before we even talk about the amazing speakers.
All I have to say is if this is razers FIRST phone and it beats other brands on their 5th+ generation models, uhhh, ya, I can't even imagine how Uber the 2nd gen will be.
I do believe this is where other companies are going to start putting Uber stereo front facing speakers and higher refresh rate screens on their phones.
Oh, and the stock Android experience is always a win. After having an s8 for a couple weeks I'll never buy some bloated, carrier branded crap again.
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Yeah, I've heard a ton of people complain about the waterproof or the phone jack but honestly, I have never plugged in headphones to any of my phones in like the past 3 years. I also don't go swimming or in the shower with my phone so that didn't matter to me. What I really love is that sound and that 120hz refresh rate. I know I might be one of the kind too, but the block look is so much sexier to me than the rounded features of some of the other phones. I am so on the fence between this phone and the 5t from OnePlus. I think what scares me the most about this phone is that its Razer's first phone, so I don't know how it will be or how the support from the community will be in terms of roms/kernels/etc.

Ya, waterproofing and headphone jacks I'll gladly trade for the crazy awesome experience I'm having so far. The screen is awesome, even with the defective bottom speaker (which it only took a day for Razer to send me the RMA email) it still gets louder than comfortable lol...
Premo multimedia, internet, and gaming experience. I would still like it if they gave it a 6-7" screen, but this is great!!!!!

Lots of streaming video time so far, web time, 5mins of titanfall to show someone. Battery saver on the whole time, [email protected], Bluetooth on for a bit, emailing, lots of texting...

Xeraphim98 said:
Yeah, I've heard a ton of people complain about the waterproof or the phone jack but honestly, I have never plugged in headphones to any of my phones in like the past 3 years. I also don't go swimming or in the shower with my phone so that didn't matter to me. What I really love is that sound and that 120hz refresh rate. I know I might be one of the kind too, but the block look is so much sexier to me than the rounded features of some of the other phones. I am so on the fence between this phone and the 5t from OnePlus. I think what scares me the most about this phone is that its Razer's first phone, so I don't know how it will be or how the support from the community will be in terms of roms/kernels/etc.
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That’s what I’m worried about also, I’m still stuck between the 5t or this phone. Such a hard decision to make. ( first world problems lol)
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Hands down this phone is a beast! Spec wise it has everything the rest do but with better screen and speakers.. 120hz screen is just amazing, and a first.. Plus how many phones these days still have expandable storage? Sure the software is light of some features but you know that's just a matter of time to fix. IMHO the only thing holding this phone back atm is waiting on razer to release code and factory images.. Once that happens you will see alot more developers jumping onboard. It's as near pure android as can be without being a google phone and alot of developers like that as it makes it easier to work with.

Xeraphim98 said:
Yeah, I've heard a ton of people complain about the waterproof or the phone jack but honestly, I have never plugged in headphones to any of my phones in like the past 3 years. I also don't go swimming or in the shower with my phone so that didn't matter to me. What I really love is that sound and that 120hz refresh rate. I know I might be one of the kind too, but the block look is so much sexier to me than the rounded features of some of the other phones. I am so on the fence between this phone and the 5t from OnePlus. I think what scares me the most about this phone is that its Razer's first phone, so I don't know how it will be or how the support from the community will be in terms of roms/kernels/etc.
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I also like the "block look" as you mention...and that is why I went with the Sony XZ Premium. I do not have the Razer phone but I am looking hard at it because I need loud stereo speakers for outdoors video presentations. I do wish they had a headphone jack though because I do like being able to listen to whatever while having the phone plugged in to recharge the battery at the same time. I do not use Bluetooth at all, much less for headphones. So this is what hold me back for now.

Anyone holding out for incentives/etc..... Razer is currently throwing in a pair of Hammerhead V2 earbuds (use Discount Code PHONEUP at checkout:
https://www.razerzone.com/promos/gift-guide-17#razer-phone
https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-audio/razer-hammerhead-v2
I know,a bit of irony/WTH here,as the 3.5mm jack is MIA (I don't mind the dongle,but,in no way am I speaking for all here,I know I'm likely in the minority).
A choice between this or a case combo pack woulda been a nice option,but,there ya go.....................................
....................................................................PSST,hey Santa Razer,a temporary price cut woulda made a nice gift for the season !

This makes me smile
https://www.androidbenchmark.net/passmark_chart.html

Question Pixel 6 Pro 5005 mAh vs. iPhone 13 Pro Max 4352 mAh

I'm trying to decide between these two and and battery life (SOT) will be the deciding factor for me. I've never owned an iPhone or a Pixel before so I'm not sure what to expect with the Pro's battery life while the Max has been getting universal accolades for its SOT. I've always been an android guy (galaxy notes mostly) and don't like apple (variety of reasons) but the new 13 pro max has set the standard when it comes to hardware with the best camera & video capabilities and now battery life so I'm reluctantly considering it.
I understand in some ways it's not fair to compare these two flagships considering their price difference so I don't expect the 6 pro to match the Max toe to toe with and that's ok. Since they both utilize an LTPO display though I guess it all comes down to software utilization when it comes to their SOT. On paper and looking at the battery specs- the 6 pro should wipe the floor with the Pro Max but since I've never owned a google phone I'm not sure how that'll translate in real life.
Past Pixel and future 6 Pro owners- what are your expectations when it comes to battery life/ SOT once you get your 6 Pros? Do you expect to come close to a full 2 days battery life before having to charge it? If anyone has owned/ will own both please feel free to share your your SOT experience and which one you feel is better.
In short will the Pixel 6 Pro match or even exceed the 13 Pro Max's battery life?
Thanks!

Android over IOS for me any day,daughter has iPhone 13 pro ,be carefully some features only available if you buy the larger storage options

Wait till the reviews on monday

combat goofwing said:
Android over IOS for me any day,daughter has iPhone 13 pro ,be carefully some features only available if you buy the larger storage options
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you mean for the iphone 13 pro has limited features due to large storage?

dj24 said:
I'm trying to decide between these two and and battery life (SOT) will be the deciding factor for me. I've never owned an iPhone or a Pixel before so I'm not sure what to expect with the Pro's battery life while the Max has been getting universal accolades for its SOT. I've always been an android guy (galaxy notes mostly) and don't like apple (variety of reasons) but the new 13 pro max has set the standard when it comes to hardware with the best camera & video capabilities and now battery life so I'm reluctantly considering it.
I understand in some ways it's not fair to compare these two flagships considering their price difference so I don't expect the 6 pro to match the Max toe to toe with and that's ok. Since they both utilize an LTPO display though I guess it all comes down to software utilization when it comes to their SOT. On paper and looking at the battery specs- the 6 pro should wipe the floor with the Pro Max but since I've never owned a google phone I'm not sure how that'll translate in real life.
Past Pixel and future 6 Pro owners- what are your expectations when it comes to battery life/ SOT once you get your 6 Pros? Do you expect to come close to a full 2 days battery life before having to charge it? If anyone has owned/ will own both please feel free to share your your SOT experience and which one you feel is better.
In short will the Pixel 6 Pro match or even exceed the 13 Pro Max's battery life?
Thanks!
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Gapps, by far, are the worst offender when it comes to battery life. With a little bit of effort and root, you can tame them to a significant degree. With some determination, you can replace them entirely with something that is more supportive of your freedom (I've *completely* replaced all goog with a self-hosted instance of Nextcloud and I don't install gapps -- not even microG).
But here is the thing about battery life. Its not even reasonable to measure it in ways its usually presented, because what it really comes down to is (a) usage, and (b) network connection. Screen on, but doing nothing, will use a lot less battery than screen on, and running video gamez.
As far as camera and video capabilities go... apple people will praise apple. Look for INDEPENDENT and CRITICAL reviews to get something more honest. I really doubt that they have anything on the P6's. Google's been ahead in photography for years now, and its really burning the fruit company since in the before-time, its the ONLY thing they actually had. Now they don't even have that.

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Yes if you get the standard storage the cinematic mode doesn't record in 4k ,there's a couple of other little things like that

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Yes if you get the standard storage the cinematic mode doesn't record in 4k ,there's a couple of other little things like that
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Without really giving a crap, I'm going to guess that they are going to claim that its because the flash chips are in RAID-0 so won't be fast enough without the bigger (more chips) option.

96carboard said:
Gapps, by far, are the worst offender when it comes to battery life. With a little bit of effort and root, you can tame them to a significant degree. With some determination, you can replace them entirely with something that is more supportive of your freedom (I've *completely* replaced all goog with a self-hosted instance of Nextcloud and I don't install gapps -- not even microG).
But here is the thing about battery life. Its not even reasonable to measure it in ways its usually presented, because what it really comes down to is (a) usage, and (b) network connection. Screen on, but doing nothing, will use a lot less battery than screen on, and running video gamez.
As far as camera and video capabilities go... apple people will praise apple. Look for INDEPENDENT and CRITICAL reviews to get something more honest. I really doubt that they have anything on the P6's. Google's been ahead in photography for years now, and its really burning the fruit company since in the before-time, its the ONLY thing they actually had. Now they don't even have that.
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I agree with most of what you said. Pixels have undoubtedly been the camera champs maybe equaled by more recent Huawei flagships. However there's no question that iPhones have had the best video quality of any one out there for a while now. This is all here and there and I don't really care that much anymore because the gap isn't that big unless you're an enthusiast or someone zooming or pixel peeping (which I'm not... for the most part }
I also agree with you about apps in general but you can nowadays put them in deep sleep so they barely use any in the background for the most part. I don't use a lot of apps but it's interesting since you bring up a good point as to whether ios does a better job than android when it comes to battery optimization. I'll have to do more research on that.
I think different companies like Motorolla, Realme and others have great battery optimization while the mainstream ones less so. Now Apple seems to have made a leap in this regard too. Gsmarena has a great tool to measure overall battery life and just look at this list where android phones (mostly not found stateside) dominate.

Previous Iphones weren't any good when it came to battery life. Apples forum is flooded with people complaining about battery life which is why they spent a lot of time talking about the improved battery life on the iPhone 13. My last iPhone was the iPhone X and it would only last me 6 hours of medium usage.

hello00 said:
Previous Iphones weren't any good when it came to battery life. Apples forum is flooded with people complaining about battery life which is why they spent a lot of time talking about the improved battery life on the iPhone 13. My last iPhone was the iPhone X and it would only last me 6 hours of medium usage.
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That's why they call it Iphonie!

Why bother so much about the battery if both phones have a fast charger!!

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Why bother so much about the battery if both phones have a fast charger!!
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Because youre not always near a plug socket

hello00 said:
Previous Iphones weren't any good when it came to battery life. Apples forum is flooded with people complaining about battery life which is why they spent a lot of time talking about the improved battery life on the iPhone 13. My last iPhone was the iPhone X and it would only last me 6 hours of medium usage.
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You're right but talking strictly flagship they've been incrementally improving since the 11 Pro Max. The 13 Pro Max has taken a drastic step forward even more so where I feel mainstream android in general (like Samsung) have to respond or they're going to lose potentially more people like me.
Anyways I see so far no one is predicting how the 6 pro's battery life will compare to the 13 max Pro.
I'll take a leap and say I think the tensor chip coupled with the LTPO display with google's clean android overlay will match the iphone 13 max's battery life

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Why bother so much about the battery if both phones have a fast charger!!
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In this COVID day and age where everyone is staying home mostly- not so much. But once you start going outside more you'll need it. Especially if you're an outdoors person like me.
I'm still nostalgic for the days where i use to carry 1 or 2 extra batteries in my wallet and pop off the back to switch them out which literally took 5 seconds. There was a time during a camping trip back in the day when out in the middle of nowhere, everyone's phone died after the first day. Everyone used mine for the next few days. I got lucky when a certain gorgeous gal walked in my tent in the middle of the night to use it and decided to stay after.... aah those were the days
Sorry... friday afternoon and I just popped open my 4th beer

The iPhone 12 lineup has problems with its quick battery drain as compared to other models. The 13 has improved quite a bit, but still not on pair with the s21u

hello00 said:
The iPhone 12 lineup has problems with its quick battery drain as compared to other models. The 13 has improved quite a bit, but still not on pair with the s21u
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Wait, you can't be serious? The S21 ultra can't hold a candle to the 13 Pro Max and it's not even close. It might compared to the lesser iPhone 13 models but that's not a fair comparison by any sense of the imagination.

I almost went Iphone 13 pro max this gen. Almost. You know why I didn't? No fingerprint sensor. I'm not about to go back to entering my pin every time I want to open my device and masks make face recognition worthless.

Well, the pixel has a lot to live up to. I think it'll beat the iphone in pics. But battery life? I'm getting 2 hours screen on time every 10 percent battery used. Ridiculously good. I hope the pixel can get near that. Doubt it though

lawtq said:
Well, the pixel has a lot to live up to. I think it'll beat the iphone in pics. But battery life? I'm getting 2 hours screen on time every 10 percent battery used. Ridiculously good. I hope the pixel can get near that. Doubt it though.
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Do you have the 13 pro max?

dj24 said:
I'm still nostalgic for the days where i use to carry 1 or 2 extra batteries in my wallet and pop off the back to switch them out which literally took 5 seconds.
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We all missd these days
For me, there will be no difference in battery life if there is an hour or hour and a half increase
I won't be outside for 24 hours and when I go out I don't use the phone for more than 6 hours

Question S22 or S21

Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards

if battery is the only concern. s21. or better yet. another brand

Nil96 said:
Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards
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I've not been into Samsung for years, as I don't like their software and often find their hardware substandard for the price. MIUI/Xiaomi offers a choice between modern status bar/notifications, modern app recents and improves upon stock Android without bloating it up.
Three hottest phones right now
Xiaomi Poco F3
Realme GT Neo 3
Xiaomi Redmi K50/K50 Pro (2k display)
I'm usually a snapdragon fan, but this snapdragon gen 1 has overheating and high power consumption issues.

had s21 and it had better battery life

I've got the 8 Gen 1 S22 and it's sufficient to say it's a terrible phone. It overheats, it gets stuttery most of the time probably because it's getting throttled, and the battery is bad. From 100 to 50% it's bad and from 50% and below it's terrible because it drains faster. And it's even worse when the phone runs hot, which is pretty much gonna be the norm in a hot summer environment. Then there's the last 5% which is non-existent because it's basically like a countdown in seconds from 5 to 0%. In other words, if your phone hit 5% it's gonna turn off in a matter of seconds if you don't plug it in ASAP.
So the math is kind of like this and note that I'm gonna talk about a period of 24h of use, both active and idle:
- you've got a battery of 3590mAh, the real capacity. I'm gonna cut that 5% right now because that simply doesn't exist. That means 180mA, which leaves you with just 3410mAh.
- 25-30% is the idle drain, and it's gonna stay in this range no matter what you're gonna try to do. Believe me, I tried EVRYTHING, even turning off cores and so on. The damn thing finds a way to drain battery with the screen off somehow.
- you're now left with only 65% of actually battery for SOT. That translates into ~2216mAh. That is all you have from a full charge.
- now the active drain is gonna be ~20%/h no matter what any battery monitor app tells you. That is 682mA/h.
*** This is all with normal use, which includes more than just watching videos, scenario in which the lack of touch events + the screen on will count towards that SOT recording and of course that's gonna increase the SOT. But that's kind of like fake SOT. When you start swiping up and down within apps, switching between them, browsing the web, which all means that you're getting the CPU to go from a range of frequencies, is when the actual real usage happens, so that's the true SOT of a phone.***
So, to get back to the math part, you're gonna get 3h15m. You're gonna watch some videos, I don't doubt that and that's gonna reduce that 20%/h to something lower, as long as there are no touch events. That's gonna get you over 3h30m. If you're watching a lot of YouTube and such, you can hit 4h SOT. But the average SOT for this phone is 3.5h.
That is terrible battery life for a phone in 2022. Samsung's node for the 8 Gen 1 was a complete fail and that is why Qualcomm went back to TSMC for the 8 Gen 1 Plus, and the efficiency gains for just a refresh of the same CPU, are insane. We're talking about 30% more efficiency. Insane! The 8 Gen 1 is pathetic and it's rarely gonna run the way it was meant to because it can't due to the heat it constantly produces. Paired with the small S22, there's not enough phone to dissipate that heat more efficiently, and therefore you're left with a choked out "beast". I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure that if I choke out The Rock and make him run with me on his back, he's not gonna perform very well, no matter how buff he is.
The bigger brother though, the S22+ is not gonna have the same issues. There's more material to dissipate the heat more efficiently and there's also a considerably larger battery inside. Not a lot bigger but big enough. You've got the same screen so the power consumption is gonna be different. Now all those percentages I mentioned above are gonna be based on the bigger battery. The idle drain is gonna stay the same but instead of 30%, that value would be ~24%. If that 5% issue is the same, you're left with ~3100mAh for SOT. The active drain would then be 16%/h. If my math is correct, with some room for error, you'd be able to get 4h40m with the same usage I initially mentioned for the smaller phone. With those reduced touch event during the videos, you'd be able to get over 5h out of it on a 24h charge. And if that 5% issue is not present, you've got ~200 more mA which would give roughly 20 more minutes over 5h, for SOT. Not that bad.
That's why I regret getting the small phone. Not as much as getting rid of the 13Pro I used before it, which offered me the best battery life I've ever had in a phone, but I still regret it.
In conclusion, you either go big in the Android world, or suffer. Or you can get the S21 and have better battery life than the S22. Your choice.

did you get latest June updates installed on it? I have already returned my galaxy s22 but another person who i know who was using his s22 on power save mode turned off after the latest update. He said it helped a lot?

S8_guy said:
did you get latest June updates installed on it? I have already returned my galaxy s22 but another person who i know who was using his s22 on power save mode turned off after the latest update. He said it helped a lot?
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Don't be fooled by any claims. The battery is simply too small to have noticeable gains. One moment you think it's doing great and suddenly the table turns. For instance you'd think 2h50m SOT at the 50% mark is great and you'll get at least another 2.5h out of it considering how much battery you still have, but then later that day you see that you just hit 3.5h SOT and the battery is now at 15%. So the stats are very tweaked to mislead you and not show the real SOT. It's kind of what Apple does with the percentage that's over 90% where the battery drops very slowly but then it starts to get faster.
With Power Saver mode at all times, Google's services freak out a lot more frequent because they can't send and receive data at any time without interruptions. That results in even higher idle drain. You virtually gain no additional battery life, or something small that you can barely call gains.
So you gotta use the phone as is, without any interventions this way allowing it to perform anything it needs to do in the background. After getting mine to stock, I've been getting that 3.5, 4h SOT which is pretty consistent right now. I don't look at the drain or how much per hour gets wasted, etc. I just use it as a regular folk who doesn't know about these more in depth stats. This way I only got used to charging it a certain way and not caring about the rest. If by any chance I notice a higher drain than usual, again, I don't investigate because I know it'll only get me depressed or something. I just reboot the phone and thing settle for a while.
It's the best way to use this terrible phone. You were very inspired when you decided to return it. Literally ANYTHING on the market is better than this thing.

dragos281993 said:
Don't be fooled by any claims. The battery is simply too small to have noticeable gains. One moment you think it's doing great and suddenly the table turns. For instance you'd think 2h50m SOT at the 50% mark is great and you'll get at least another 2.5h out of it considering how much battery you still have, but then later that day you see that you just hit 3.5h SOT and the battery is now at 15%. So the stats are very tweaked to mislead you and not show the real SOT. It's kind of what Apple does with the percentage that's over 90% where the battery drops very slowly but then it starts to get faster.
With Power Saver mode at all times, Google's services freak out a lot more frequent because they can't send and receive data at any time without interruptions. That results in even higher idle drain. You virtually gain no additional battery life, or something small that you can barely call gains.
So you gotta use the phone as is, without any interventions this way allowing it to perform anything it needs to do in the background. After getting mine to stock, I've been getting that 3.5, 4h SOT which is pretty consistent right now. I don't look at the drain or how much per hour gets wasted, etc. I just use it as a regular folk who doesn't know about these more in depth stats. This way I only got used to charging it a certain way and not caring about the rest. If by any chance I notice a higher drain than usual, again, I don't investigate because I know it'll only get me depressed or something. I just reboot the phone and thing settle for a while.
It's the best way to use this terrible phone. You were very inspired when you decided to return it. Literally ANYTHING on the market is better than this thing.
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I am thinking about switching over to iphone. My existing galaxy s8 is old. I really like to iphone 13 mini, but not sure about its battery life. I guess it has a 14 day return period as well.
If that doesn't do it, then i might go for the regular iphone 13.

S8_guy said:
I am thinking about switching over to iphone. My existing galaxy s8 is old. I really like to iphone 13 mini, but not sure about its battery life. I guess it has a 14 day return period as well.
If that doesn't do it, then i might go for the regular iphone 13.
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This is how it goes. Small Android devices will NEVER give you great battery life, and I'm talking about the likes of S22 and such in terms of size and also with the title of flagship device. You just can't have both. I learn it the hard way, which is wasting money on devices for the past 3 years to reach this conclusion.
So if you want a powerful Android device with more than good battery life, you gotta go big. No way around it. If someone claims that they're getting great SOT on their small Android phone, that's because they're very light users, mostly watching videos. That means no touch events and that translates into very few frequency rampups and that in its turn means lower CPU usage that gives you longer SOT, but that's not representative of the regular usage which involves a lot more than that.
Only Apple offers great battery life in a smaller form factor and that's mainly because it's a hell of a lot easier job to optimize the software for a handful of devices which have the most important pieces of hardware inside built inhouse. It's just the absolute best situation for them.
However, going for the smallest phone would be a mistake. You'd get decent battery life for that size but it's still bad. The regular 13 is the best choice if you still want a small phone. I'd personally get the 13 Pro which has even better battery life than the regular variant plus the 120Hz screen. And let me tell you, the level of smoothness you get from 120Hz iOS is on a whole another level than on 120Hz Android. iOS has a lot less frequent frame drops, and by that I mean they're almost non existent. On Android, framedrops are everywhere and anywhere, no matter how "buttery smooth" people claim it is. It's not. The frame dips, the so called stutters, are noticeable and they occur most of the time no matter the app, when you scroll up and down. It's always been there.
But yeah, get an iPhone and you'll see what I'm talking about. After selling my 13 Pro to go back on Android because I got bored of iOS, I regretted it when I saw the battery life on my S22, not to mention overheating and overall poor performance because of that.
Something else to consider is how much better iPhones hold their value compared to Android phones. I can get a brand new S22 for $570 from the trading market in my country. I paid $1040 for my current crap of a phone. It's nearly half the price now. At the same time, I can buy a brand new 13 Pro from the same place for $1025, the cheapest one. I paid $1250 for mine when I got it last year in October. That's just $225 value lost in 8 months. The S22's price dropped to nearly half in just 3 months. It's just insane.
So get a 13 or 13 Pro, or if you can wait a little longer, get a 14. I'm getting the 14 Pro Max, without thinking twice. It's a brick but I don't want to have to worry about battery life ever again, to force close apps and services and constantly check on the background activity so I can try to save some juice.
My POV though. Android has always been letting me down

My galaxy s8 used to last two full days when i got it new. Nowadays, it last me a full day with regular use, keep in mind that i put a new battery in it and did not update to the latest firmware. It has only two year of update and it killed the battery by one day.
Those updates age the phone, doesn't matter which OS it is ( android or ios). I am going to do a trial on the 13 mini, and if that doesn't work i am going to go for the iphone 14 pro ( not the max). the pro models will ditch the notch as well. It would be one hell of an upgrade from my s8.
Not sure, why you didn't return your galaxy s22 during the trial period?

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My galaxy s8 used to last two full days when i got it new. Nowadays, it last me a full day with regular use, keep in mind that i put a new battery in it and did not update to the latest firmware. It has only two year of update and it killed the battery by one day.
Those updates age the phone, doesn't matter which OS it is ( android or ios). I am going to do a trial on the 13 mini, and if that doesn't work i am going to go for the iphone 14 pro ( not the max). the pro models will ditch the notch as well. It would be one hell of an upgrade from my s8.
Not sure, why you didn't return your galaxy s22 during the trial period?
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When I ordered this thing, I also put in the cart a white Samsung bumper case too. When I received the package, I unboxed the phone and the case, put the phone in it then booted up the device. It was a pretty tight fit. After 4 days I decided that nope, I'm not keeping this pathetic thing. So I already had a few tabs open with some guys selling their Pixel 5 phones. I just needed to choose one.
So I take out the S22 out of the case and surprise! Micro scratches all around the frame from when I inserted the phone in the case. Because the damn case is made of a hard material and the plastic inside wasn't completely smooth at the edge, all the tiny imperfections left a mark on the supposedly military grade aluminium the frame is made of, when I inserted it in it. Marketing at its finest. I then emailed the store I ordered the phone from and they asked the department in charge how it would go from there if I returned the phone in that condition. They tagged it as "non-returnable" because it's not in the same condition and cannot be sold as new anymore. OR they could deduce a tax that consists of replacing the frame with a new original one. That also includes the display and the whole restoration of the device would mean -400 euros from the initial price. Just from those micro scratches around the frame.
So that's why I'm now stuck with this thing. I even took it out of the case, removed the screen protector and I'm using it naked. It's all scuffed and scratched from just using it like that, without dropping it or anything. The durability of this thing is absolutely pathetic, a complete joke.

dragos281993 said:
When I ordered this thing, I also put in the cart a white Samsung bumper case too. When I received the package, I unboxed the phone and the case, put the phone in it then booted up the device. It was a pretty tight fit. After 4 days I decided that nope, I'm not keeping this pathetic thing. So I already had a few tabs open with some guys selling their Pixel 5 phones. I just needed to choose one.
So I take out the S22 out of the case and surprise! Micro scratches all around the frame from when I inserted the phone in the case. Because the damn case is made of a hard material and the plastic inside wasn't completely smooth at the edge, all the tiny imperfections left a mark on the supposedly military grade aluminium the frame is made of, when I inserted it in it. Marketing at its finest. I then emailed the store I ordered the phone from and they asked the department in charge how it would go from there if I returned the phone in that condition. They tagged it as "non-returnable" because it's not in the same condition and cannot be sold as new anymore. OR they could deduce a tax that consists of replacing the frame with a new original one. That also includes the display and the whole restoration of the device would mean -400 euros from the initial price. Just from those micro scratches around the frame.
So that's why I'm now stuck with this thing. I even took it out of the case, removed the screen protector and I'm using it naked. It's all scuffed and scratched from just using it like that, without dropping it or anything. The durability of this thing is absolutely pathetic, a complete joke.
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Absolute tragedy! Sounds like your just stuck with this phone for sometime or your other choice is to sell for a loss in the used market.
On a side note, I ordered a case and screen protector online for the galaxy s22. It arrived a month after i returned the phone. I lost about $15 on it. I was too cheap to order it from samsung directly.
The regular iphone 13 looks like the phone to get for me, I guess i will wait for iphone 14 to launch and buy the iphone 13 on a discount.

S8_guy said:
Absolute tragedy! Sounds like your just stuck with this phone for sometime or your other choice is to sell for a loss in the used market.
The regular iphone 13 looks like the phone to get for me, I guess i will wait for iphone 14 to launch and buy the iphone 13 on a discount.
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Good idea. The regular 14 I believe the rumours say will look identical to the 13 too.

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Good idea. The regular 14 I believe the rumours say will look identical to the 13 too.
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lol...also has the same processor. Not sure, what would the upgrade really be.

Nil96 said:
Hi,
I am quite aware that S22 has the new chipset and a beast, but my only worry is battery.
S21 has 4000mAh and S22 has 3700 mAh. Confused as to which serves the best when it comes to usage. Did search a lot for drain test between these two and never found one.
Any suggestions please.
Cheers and Regards
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I don't think the the battery will be that much of an issue for S22 because the phone itself is more efficient then the S21. So technically you should get more out of the smaller battery.

S20 or S20 Ultra will be a better option then S22.
I bought the S22 only because my old phone died and the S22 was on sale and in stock.
Other wise I would have bought the S20.

The S22 series are new with a lot more great specs so you can get any S22 series model!