I currently have NB4.
What's new in NF4? I know it has the VoLTE but that's not in my area so nothing for me(yet).
Are there any improvements?
I guess what I'm trying to ask is. What are the pros and con's of upgrading from NB4 to NF4?
I also run w03 slimkat. Is it compatible? It shows its compatible with 4.4 BL. Just not sure if that's updated to include NF4 BL.
thanks and sorry for being a noob.
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Rick7C2 said:
I currently have NB4.
What's new in NF4? I know it has the VoLTE but that's not in my area so nothing for me(yet).
Are there any improvements?
I guess what I'm trying to ask is. What are the pros and con's of upgrading from NB4 to NF4?
I also run w03 slimkat. Is it compatible? It shows its compatible with 4.4 BL. Just not sure if that's updated to include NF4 BL.
thanks and sorry for being a noob.
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I have no idea as to what exactly is "new" in NF4 but take it from me,
if there wasn't any improvements then why would Samsung waste their
time, money and effort with the NF4 or any other future updates?
There are no "cons" to upgrading NF4 or any future official updates.
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I have no idea as to what exactly is "new" in NF4 but take it from me,
if there wasn't any improvements then why would Samsung waste their
time, money and effort with the NF4 or any other future updates?
There are no "cons" to upgrading NF4 or any future official updates.
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Of course there can be cons. Thats a laughable statement. Until it's reported the update is fine, you can have broken root, locked down bootloader (not as likely on T-Mobile) a bad build that causes bad battery drain. You must be new to the phone rooting and roming world to say "There are no "cons" to upgrading NF4 or any future official updates"
I don't want any fights started. Please keep it casual.
With that being said. Yes there can be some pros and con's.
Like I said before I know that it includes VoLTE. That's the main feature. However That is not available in my area.
What I would like to know. Is there better internet connectivity? How's battery life. My biggest problem with T-Mobile in my area is it keeps dropping from H+ to 3G. 3G and below are like being in airplane mode. I end up having to disconnect and reconnect to get H+ back. Does NF4 fix this? If not Is there any tricks/mods to help with this issue. Or is it just ****ty network in my area?
and again I will continue to use W03 SlimKat. currently running V23 waiting on V25.
I'm looking for people who have personally updated there phone to NF4 and can give me details on how well its running.
Thanks
Rick7C2 said:
I don't want any fights started. Please keep it casual.
With that being said. Yes there can be some pros and con's.
Like I said before I know that it includes VoLTE. That's the main feature. However That is not available in my area.
What I would like to know. Is there better internet connectivity? How's battery life. My biggest problem with T-Mobile in my area is it keeps dropping from H+ to 3G. 3G and below are like being in airplane mode. I end up having to disconnect and reconnect to get H+ back. Does NF4 fix this? If not Is there any tricks/mods to help with this issue. Or is it just ****ty network in my area?
and again I will continue to use W03 SlimKat. currently running V23 waiting on V25.
I'm looking for people who have personally updated there phone to NF4 and can give me details on how well its running.
Thanks
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For me, battery performance increased noticeably and it seems like connectivity is better. At my house it used to always switch from 4glte to 4g and since the update it holds the lte connection better. Sunday morning there was a quake in the bay area and since then data has been weird. ..but up to that things where just buzzing along. I came from NB4 and like i said i noticed worthy improvements.
***BTW i did a full wipe in recovery, powered down, pulled battery, booted into download mode and odin'd the full firmware file, everything except External SD.
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For me, battery performance increased noticeably and it seems like connectivity is better. At my house it used to always switch from 4glte to 4g and since the update it holds the lte connection better. Sunday morning there was a quake in the bay area and since then data has been weird. ..but up to that things where just buzzing along. I came from NB4 and like i said i noticed worthy improvements.
***BTW i did a full wipe in recovery, powered down, pulled battery, booted into download mode and odin'd the full firmware file, everything except External SD.
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Thanks, Based on this information I have decided to go ahead and update to NF4. Running W03 SlimKat V24 sofar so good. Once Google gets done restoring my apps I will turn off WiFi and update this thread with my findings.
I know many people claim better battery life after updating to 4.4, but I don't see it. I just updated about a week ago from 4.3 (MI7) to 4.4 (NF4) and battery life is similar at best, but mostly worse.Not only that, but charging also takes much longer. Normally my battery would fully charge in about 2.5 hours, but couple nights ago it took 5 hours to go from 10% to 82%. I went back to sleep and finally was fully charged after additional 3 hours, but then as soon as I turn it on, went down to 97%. I never seen that before. I run 0228 code and discharged to 0 and then back to 100%, so hopefully that will calibrate battery better, but still just last night phone was at 100% before sleep and in the morning down to 80%. Normally on 4.3 I would loose 3% to 4% overnight. I just hope it's temporary and will improve after settling down, otherwise i will need to run some serious diagnostics and fix it. Antutu also seem slower, last time I run it on 4.3 I got 37083, under 4.4 I barely got 35000.
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I know many people claim better battery life after updating to 4.4, but I don't see it. I just updated about a week ago from 4.3 (MI7) to 4.4 (NF4) and battery life is similar at best, but mostly worse.Not only that, but charging also takes much longer. Normally my battery would fully charge in about 2.5 hours, but couple nights ago it took 5 hours to go from 10% to 82%. I went back to sleep and finally was fully charged after additional 3 hours, but then as soon as I turn it on, went down to 97%. I never seen that before. I run 0228 code and discharged to 0 and then back to 100%, so hopefully that will calibrate battery better, but still just last night phone was at 100% before sleep and in the morning down to 80%. Normally on 4.3 I would loose 3% to 4% overnight. I just hope it's temporary and will improve after settling down, otherwise i will need to run some serious diagnostics and fix it. Antutu also seem slower, last time I run it on 4.3 I got 37083, under 4.4 I barely got 35000.
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Not my experience at all. Battery drops maybe 2-3% overnight. Stays at 100% longer than it had and charges plenty fast from 1% to 100% way under 5 hrs, but i never really timed it yet i can say it was under 3 hrs and i remember being surprised at how quickly it got to 80' something percent. Every month or so I run my phone down to 1% just to help the battery cause I'm usually on a charger and rarely get below 50%. Maybe a good wiping might tune things up for you.
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Not my experience at all. Battery drops maybe 2-3% overnight. Stays at 100% longer than it had and charges plenty fast from 1% to 100% way under 5 hrs, but i never really timed it yet i can say it was under 3 hrs and i remember being surprised at how quickly it got to 80' something percent. Every month or so I run my phone down to 1% just to help the battery cause I'm usually on a charger and rarely get below 50%. Maybe a good wiping might tune things up for you.
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Heres some pics....stock kernel fyi
I believe you, you're not the first person claiming better battery. I don't want to wipe, too much headache to restore and settings and games in progress, also my kids are on my account, so either no automatic reinstall (BTW how do I stop it), or a lot of deleting kiddie games, already went with this process once before, not fun. Probably something simple, since I'm stock rooted and always been on my Note3.
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I believe you, you're not the first person claiming better battery. I don't want to wipe, too much headache to restore and settings and games in progress, also my kids are on my account, so either no automatic reinstall (BTW how do I stop it), or a lot of deleting kiddie games, already went with this process once before, not fun. Probably something simple, since I'm stock rooted and always been on my Note3.
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yup, its a coin toss.....once I saw the stability that comes with full wiping I can't not do it, stopped me from being a flashaholic. Titanium Backup can backup/restore your apps but settings/shortcuts/widgets etc have to all be set back up....I take screen shots of all my home screens to aid the process of getting back to normalcy....gotta weigh the pros and cons
Hello,
I'm still using jellybean 4.3 worth the upgrade to Kit Kat?
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Hello,
I'm still using jellybean 4.3 worth the upgrade to Kit Kat?
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That is extremely debatable, there are plenty of people who feel either way, i suggest reading what different people have to say to help base your opinion.
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I run 0228 code
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What code is this? I don't see it among the list of "secret" codes entered for Samsung devices.
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What code is this? I don't see it among the list of "secret" codes entered for Samsung devices.
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it shows battery info, also there is a button on bottom, if pressed it changes battery charge level, so it was speculated it does some quick recalibration, but as with all other codes no one knows for sure. Sure this is in some secret code lists, but i don't think there is a list that have them all, otherwise they wouldn't be secret anymore. LOL
There were few threads about this code in past, but i don't remember where now.
Well sofar everything is great. Network still gets stuck in 3G and I have to airplane mode to get H+ again. However it seems like its not doing this as often.
Better life is the same which is good because battery life was awesome before the update.
I will update if anything changes.
Eric214 said:
Of course there can be cons. Thats a laughable statement. Until it's reported the update is fine, you can have broken root, locked down bootloader (not as likely on T-Mobile) a bad build that causes bad battery drain. You must be new to the phone rooting and roming world to say "There are no "cons" to upgrading NF4 or any future official updates"
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That is exactly why I froze my updater and stayed on jb4.3.
Now that KK has been out for a while and should have bugs fixed, what are the pros for updating from jb to kk?
I didn't update for long time mostly because of SD card issues, which could be fixed, but needed root, but again, root would trip knox. Now that we can root without breaking knox, I finally updated. Personally didn't see much: people claimed better battery, for me is little worse, many claimed faster snappier response, I don't see that either, on the other hand, so far haven't seen any SD card issues neither, so didn't even need the fix yet. One advantage, I already made my first VOLTE, so it works and it's on in my area and you need KitKat for that.
Add to this probably few security fixes and some tweaks under the hood and probably that's it. IMO, the update did not fix any issues for me, except wifi calling that broke recently, but I didn't have any other issues as well, but at the same time the update didn't break anything major either, so it's pretty much wash, unless you need VOLTE.
Note 4 comes out in few weeks, so that was my backup plan in case update was messed up, but as it is Note4 needs to win my heart on it's own merits.
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[sorry for the HUGE post!! tl;dr at the end!]
Hi everyone, I am having a really REALLY bad problem managing my battery once I updated to 4.0.4. Now this is really weird because before deciding to flash the OTA (didn't get it myself, flashed it manually from a thread here) I was hearing how the battery is a lot better for some people and some lag issues were fixed. However, I'm noticing that these things actually got worse for me... maybe someone can help? I'm still on yakjuux (don't know why I didn't switch to yakju yet lol), and I'll start listing some of the issues I'm coming across...
Before manually flashing (when I was on 4.0.1), I used to leave home in the morning with ~85% battery and listen to music for my 1.5 hr commute to campus, and end up charging some time in the day from 30% to 70% before heading back home, listening to music again and then charging before I sleep from around 20% to 90%, and this repeated every day. My usage wasn't light either - I constantly text (and whatsapp), browse, make calls, check twitter, browse the 9gag app, listen to music, etc (no wifi, screen with 1 notch above the lowest brightness) and this worked for me every day. My phone only heated up slightly while charging while using it or after playing games for some time. I'm guessing this is normal for everyone. I never really encountered system lag either.
Now that I've switched to 4.0.4, I have to charge my phone on campus twice and both times to nearly max if I want to use my phone for anything on my return home, and before leaving home I need almost a full charge to not hit the red zone in my battery before getting to my campus. I noticed from the night I flashed it that my phone started warming up with the SLIGHTEST usage, and I mean like almost nothing.. having my screen on with the same brightness and wifi on at home warmed my phone up. Listening to music with the screen off on my train warmed the phone up. Reading a few tweets on wifi at home with the lowest brightness warms my phone. I don't get it... Due to all this my usage is severely reduced, and sometimes my phone is turned off for a few hours just to be able to make a call if I need to at a later time. I notice a lot of people are managing better battery than previous ota's but mine is significantly worse. I've literally watched my phone drain 5% battery while walking between two classes (not even a few minutes of walking..). Right now my brightness is at 0 (lowest), wifi is only on when I'm at home. I know some people have a battery drain issue related to losing their mobile signal but mine works fine. Even on idle, my phone drains quickly. In my first week on 4.0.1 I pulled 16 hours on semi-heavy usage and with maybe half of that I can't even do 2 hours with 4.0.4.
That is just the battery... there is lag for some apps now too. Temple Run used to lag when it was first released, and after an update it worked buttery smooth while on 4.0.1. Now, I'm lucky to avoid the obstacles because there is intense lag and freezing. The phone also heats up a ton while doing this (or anything else). A few days ago I had massive lag while texting, there was no haptic/visual feedback or response for 3-4 seconds then things started showing up... since then I think this has gone or maybe I notice it less with my reduced usage. I've also noticed that I get 1-2 less bars in wifi and 3g reception in my bedroom (where I used to get max usually before). I'm not sure if this is misrepresented or if I am actually accessing less of my available networks... although I never do lose my mobile network entirely. The performance of all my other apps is to the same level as before, or unnoticeably different. In my battery statistics I notice that the screen is using a lot less of the battery (compared to 4.0.1), but the android os takes about 40%. Is that normal?
I'd like to know if these issues are common for 4.0.4 (or is it because I'm on yakjuux?). I would try re-flashing the ota and see if it would get fixed but I kind of screwed up and didn't unlock my bootloader (didn't know the benefits of it at the time) and now I have no root. What fixes are available to me? I do not mind unlocking the bootloader now, I have all important things backed up anyway (its only media, lol).
I was thinking about using the GN Toolkit, but I figured I'd rather ask first (also gives others who might have this issue something to refer to). I guess I could use the toolkit to put 4.0.1 yakju on it and check for ota in settings, or just put 4.0.4 yakju right away if these issues are not present. At this point I do regret changing to 4.0.4, because I have to reduce my usage just to keep my battery going.. after not really gaining much, it was not worth it.. unless this can be fixed. I was thinking of re-rooting and flashing my original yakjuux 4.0.1 and staying there, or eventually change to yakju, but my bootloader is locked so that option is not available right?
Thanks in advance for any help anyone can provide, especially after reading this novel of a post.. lol I lost about 11% of my battery while typing this post, so yeah it is a big dumb problem.
tl;dr -- after switching from yakjuux 4.0.1 to 4.0.4 yakjuux, my battery is really crappy, maybe half as good as it was before. I am not rooted and my bootloader is locked still. What can I do?
I do not believe the yakjuux 4.0.4 is a final version.
I guess you're right since only 1 person reported getting it? Oh well, what should I do? Can I use the GN Toolkit to flash the yakju 4.0.4, and do these issues exist there?
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As long as you do not suffer the data drops that some GSM users are seeing ( I am not, on LTE), then it should be better on battery life.
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I guess you're right since only 1 person reported getting it? Oh well, what should I do? Can I use the GN Toolkit to flash the yakju 4.0.4, and do these issues exist there?
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From what we have seen so far, there is no benefit whatsoever to being on any build other than yakju (for maguro devices). Back up as much of your data that you can off of your device and follow the steps here.
Same problems
I'm having the same issue except I am unlocked and rooted. Losing about 10-15% battery life every hour since the update. On yakjuux. Guess I'll go ahead and put on the "official Google" yakju.
I'm on 4.0.4 yakju and have noticed a significant increase in battery life. I think both of you should follow efrant's suggestion (backup as much as you can and flash to yakju).
I'm also in Canada and did not flash the 4.0.4 radio (optional in efrant's awesome post), and have no complaints so far for radio/signal.
Thanks everyone for the replies. Efrant I followed your instructions, everything seems better now 4.0.4 yakjuux with unlocked bootloader, guess I'm still unrooted but I can use the toolkit to root right? Or is there some other method? Like the one used to root without unlocking the bootloader but just to do it normally now.. can't really explain it but I'm sure someone will understand what I'm talking about lol
ZafarHSayed said:
Thanks everyone for the replies. Efrant I followed your instructions, everything seems better now 4.0.4 yakjuux with unlocked bootloader, guess I'm still unrooted but I can use the toolkit to root right? Or is there some other method? Like the one used to root without unlocking the bootloader but just to do it normally now.. can't really explain it but I'm sure someone will understand what I'm talking about lol
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Just follow the instructions in my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24599812
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Just follow the instructions in my post here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=24599812
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Got it, thanks!
It worked
anonymou38 said:
I'm having the same issue except I am unlocked and rooted. Losing about 10-15% battery life every hour since the update. On yakjuux. Guess I'll go ahead and put on the "official Google" yakju.
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Finally went ahead and did this today. Everything's working awesome again. Thanks
Hello
I have a AT&T Note2 that I got late November. Battery Performance was fabulous. I just recently got the update to 4.1.2 OTA and there was some sort of upgrade or maintenance just prior to the 4.1.2 update.
I immediately noticed a difference in battery performance. It was substantially less than what I had on 4.1.1. I cant get any straight answers from Samsung or AT&T, there is no comprehensive log for the update so its hard to figure out whats going on.
Same software load as on 4.1.1. I did notice that after the update to 4.1.2 there were substantially more items in manage apps> running than what was in 4.1.1.
Samsung claims the root cause is the update to the OS and a change to the wifi radio and software.
Does anyone know what really is going on. At&T is a lost cause and no help whatsoever.
Thank you
I will be interested what you find out as I am experienceing the same issue. I went from 95% to 65% overnight doing nothing (WiFi on). Earlier today I was losing about 2-3% battery every 15 minutes doing nothing and did some research. All I could find out was to turn off all location services and since I don't get Wifi at work, turn off WiFi while here. This helped some, but still would like to find out what is going on. My iphone was a battery hog in the end of its life and my new GN2 lasts barely as long as my 2 year old iphone did. Not a happy camper right now.
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I will be interested what you find out as I am experienceing the same issue. I went from 95% to 65% overnight doing nothing (WiFi on). Earlier today I was losing about 2-3% battery every 15 minutes doing nothing and did some research. All I could find out was to turn off all location services and since I don't get Wifi at work, turn off WiFi while here. This helped some, but still would like to find out what is going on. My iphone was a battery hog in the end of its life and my new GN2 lasts barely as long as my 2 year old iphone did. Not a happy camper right now.
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Hi, I'm hopeful one of the Senior Members or Mod's will run down a answer as well as a comprehensive change add-delete and enhancement log regarding the 4.1.2 update. All I can say is I have not added anything my daily use is the same..no games. I disabled all the att bloat wae other than hot spots. I sort of paid attention to my running apps in 4.1.1, and now in 4.1.2 there are many more things theree that wernt prior to this update. I didnt have to disable anything prior to this update.
The answer is not in disabling bloat apps. The answer is in the log that shows what was done with the update.
I hope someone can get that because it holds the key to the answers we are looking for.
Who knows maybe one of the developers will read this thread and be able to help.
try a battery pull and obviously reboot. Download the Gsam battery monitor from the market. I think it is free. It dumbs down a lot of stuff and pretty much tells you what is taking up your battery. It does a much better job than the stock battery checker. After an hour or so, the longer the better, it will show you some apps or processes that are the culprit.
Battery stats app is a paid app in the market but I think it is free on this xda site somewhere for members. That appears to be a very comprehensive battery monitoring apps with wakelocks and it gets very complicated for a novice such as myself.
can you provide additional details on your situation, for example:
what's your baseline comparison, e.g., before: 18 hrs use with 4 hours screen time, after 13 hours use 4 hours screen time
are you rooted (i suspect not)?
have you gone into Settings->Battery to see which apps, etc., are using your battery?
do you have a lot of music, pictures, etc on your phone?
not an answer to your question, but... have you considered performing a hard reset on your device and then testing battery life with at clean slate?
looking at your battery stats is a better indicator of what could be causing poor battery life. i'm on the same release as you and my battery life has been the same if not better. also download better battery stats to see if you have wake-lock issues. i'm averaging 16-20 hours per charge with 6-9 hours screen time, about 150 emails daily and 35-90 minutes in phone calls.
So yesterday at 19 hours of use (maybe 2 hours total of emails, web surfing, and using a couple apps, music for an hour at the gym) I still had 32% left. Not bad. However, my wifi was off all day, even at home, and I kept my location services turned off. So tomorrow I am going to test it with Wifi on at home and my location services and see what happens. The Gsam battery app i used yesterday was pretty cool although at first I wasn't sure because it said that the app was using 15%. But as the day progressed it never went over 4%. Still new to the android platform, but learning.
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So yesterday at 19 hours of use (maybe 2 hours total of emails, web surfing, and using a couple apps, music for an hour at the gym) I still had 32% left. Not bad. However, my wifi was off all day, even at home, and I kept my location services turned off. So tomorrow I am going to test it with Wifi on at home and my location services and see what happens. The Gsam battery app i used yesterday was pretty cool although at first I wasn't sure because it said that the app was using 15%. But as the day progressed it never went over 4%. Still new to the android platform, but learning.
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I APPRECIATE the response however I would like to know what was done with the 4.1.2 upgrade, what changed, enhanced or whatever as well as the AT&T maint just prior to the 4.1.2 upgrade. Nothing was disabled, I was runn8ng the same exact software load, same apps, no games, and wifi wS constantly on. While disabling bloatware, shutting down this and that, turning off wifi at this point is helpful, its not a acceptable answer as to what happened.
This forum has some of the most respected developers and computer genius's around. Whenever you ask for something and everyone else comes up empty, the first thing you hear is go to XDA.
My Galaxy Note2 had the most incredible battery time of any device I've ever owned prior to the updates. Im also pissed because I didnt even know that the red and grey arrows and the connecting to dnr server was AT&T doing a update. There was no forewarning.
The Note2 is still fabulous to me, I just want to understand what has happened and why. I am not asking for a say in what they did, certainly this is my phone, I believe that I should be entitled at least to know what transpired.
There should be no problem producing a comprehensive change log with a lay person level explanation.
I was getting 2 days off charger with 8 hours of screen time and suddenly the battery doesn't seem to charge past 50% and I didn't do a single thing to it but tonight I am cleaning everything out and starting fresh because something odd is going on
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I was getting 2 days off charger with 8 hours of screen time and suddenly the battery doesn't seem to charge past 50% and I didn't do a single thing to it but tonight I am cleaning everything out and starting fresh because something odd is going on
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I think the key to many answers is 2 items.....a log and explanation of what occurred in simple terms regarding the 2 updates. There was a no warning automatic att update done just prior to and then the actual 4.1.2 update itself. My gut opinion is something was changed with wifi and how its handled along with some other software changes.
I feel like. Dog chasing my own tail...disable this, disable that...bull...nothing was disabled and wifi was always on prior the updates.
Just as a preface, wasn't sure if this should go in this section or the general section, but figured since this was Q&A I'd pick here. Anyways, I just got my HTC One today and am coming from Samsung Galaxy S3 (droid 3 and OG before that) and had them all rooted with custom roms, but have been reading about the process to unlock/root/s-off this device. I downloaded rumrunner and tried to run the program once already and got a "........f******" error and it closed without working, but that's not what I'm making the thread for. I'm really terrified of messing up the phone because I'm broke and can't afford to pay the insurance deductible if I break it and have to claim it was stolen. All of this back story to ask the question of: Is this one of those phones that NEEDS to be rooted to be worth using or can I expect acceptable battery life, speed, & use by simply disabling as much bloatware as possible and keeping the phone stock? Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it!
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Just as a preface, wasn't sure if this should go in this section or the general section, but figured since this was Q&A I'd pick here. Anyways, I just got my HTC One today and am coming from Samsung Galaxy S3 (droid 3 and OG before that) and had them all rooted with custom roms, but have been reading about the process to unlock/root/s-off this device. I downloaded rumrunner and tried to run the program once already and got a "........f******" error and it closed without working, but that's not what I'm making the thread for. I'm really terrified of messing up the phone because I'm broke and can't afford to pay the insurance deductible if I break it and have to claim it was stolen. All of this back story to ask the question of: Is this one of those phones that NEEDS to be rooted to be worth using or can I expect acceptable battery life, speed, & use by simply disabling as much bloatware as possible and keeping the phone stock? Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it!
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Honestly, based on what you wrote I'd say just disable the apps you don't want showing up and call it good. The Sense based ROMs are actually quite nice and HTC has been good about timely updates. Turning things off like Facebook notifications, weather updates, location service, and Google Now if you don't need it will all help. Enjoy your new phone.
I agree with mmuzy. I got my One right after they blocked HTCDev on this phone and the phone it worked perfect with out root. Speed was good, battery life was ok considering the size of the battery. My only reason for being hell bent on rooting this phone was ads on YouTube lol Pretty sure you already know this but disabling the animations in the developer settings speeds up the phone just a tad as well.
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Just as a preface, wasn't sure if this should go in this section or the general section, but figured since this was Q&A I'd pick here. Anyways, I just got my HTC One today and am coming from Samsung Galaxy S3 (droid 3 and OG before that) and had them all rooted with custom roms, but have been reading about the process to unlock/root/s-off this device. I downloaded rumrunner and tried to run the program once already and got a "........f******" error and it closed without working, but that's not what I'm making the thread for. I'm really terrified of messing up the phone because I'm broke and can't afford to pay the insurance deductible if I break it and have to claim it was stolen. All of this back story to ask the question of: Is this one of those phones that NEEDS to be rooted to be worth using or can I expect acceptable battery life, speed, & use by simply disabling as much bloatware as possible and keeping the phone stock? Thank you for your advice, I appreciate it!
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First things first, with the latest 4.3 update rumrunner doesn't work so even if you wanted to root and s-off it wouldn't be possible yet. Second, unlike Samsung devices, this thing is buttery smooth with or without the bloat so honestly your experience will still be excellent either way. I had an S4 before this phone that was rooted, all bloat removed, ad blocking, greenify, etc and I can tell you right now that right out of the box the HTC One was STILL way smoother than the S4 with NOTHING done to it. I'm running BoneStock at the moment which is basically just a stock rom, so I think HTC did an excellent job with Sense 5 on this phone.
I'm not going to try to sway you one way or another, just sharing my story. I've had the VZW HTC One since launch (Aug 22nd) and never saw a need to root or unlock it out the box. Everything was running great, the phone was smooth.
Suddenly, the 4.3 update arrived and my previously (close to) perfect phone has been plagued by issues. Multiple FCs from core and basic apps, piss poor data connectivity, and worst of all, terrible battery. Since accepting the update, my phone radio has been sucking roughly 45-60% battery at all time. Now I'm growing desperate for a way to unlock my device and control it. I went from around 14-16 hours of medium to heavy usage to barely getting 8 hours from light use. Once again, this is only my story, but, I know that having more control over my device will give me the ability to change my radio and fix my issues. So I vote yay to unlock/root.
LightAeterna said:
I'm not going to try to sway you one way or another, just sharing my story. I've had the VZW HTC One since launch (Aug 22nd) and never saw a need to root or unlock it out the box. Everything was running great, the phone was smooth.
Suddenly, the 4.3 update arrived and my previously (close to) perfect phone has been plagued by issues. Multiple FCs from core and basic apps, piss poor data connectivity, and worst of all, terrible battery. Since accepting the update, my phone radio has been sucking roughly 45-60% battery at all time. Now I'm growing desperate for a way to unlock my device and control it. I went from around 14-16 hours of medium to heavy usage to barely getting 8 hours from light use. Once again, this is only my story, but, I know that having more control over my device will give me the ability to change my radio and fix my issues. So I vote yay to unlock/root.
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Try a factory reset. I was running the 4.3 OTA rom for a few days and I didn't experience any of the issues you just mentioned. I'm now on 4.3 BoneStock with zero issues as well.
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Try a factory reset. I was running the 4.3 OTA rom for a few days and I didn't experience any of the issues you just mentioned. I'm now on 4.3 BoneStock with zero issues as well.
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I agree with this. OTAs are nice in that we don't lose all our apps and settings but they're kind of like dirty flashing a custom ROM. If you have a gremlin infestation with the OTA then I'd start with a factory reset and see if things run better when you clean install your apps.
Well, after a few days of time to test after the full wipe and manual restore I'm still experiencing terrible battery life. As I stated before, it was mainly phone radio taking the brunt of the battery, and that still seems to be the case. On the positive side of things, I do have twice the free space available now.
Should I update from where im at? I haven't updated my phone since I took it out of the box. All I did was root to install wanam expose, xposed installer and region lock away. What do you guys recommend? What's the easier way to update without installing a custom recovery.
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Yes and use my guide here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54787998
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Should I update from where im at? I haven't updated my phone since I took it out of the box. All I did was root to install wanam expose, xposed installer and region lock away. What do you guys recommend? What's the easier way to update without installing a custom recovery.
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No i wouldnt stay on jellybean too many problems with kitkat.
The only "problem" i can come up right away is apps using extSDcard issue... which is already solved if root. What other problems are there?
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Yes and use my guide here... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=54787998
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Thanks i updated to NF9 using your method, i then rerooted my phone. Lot faster than before. Thank you very much
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Sure there are other problems, in my case I can't get the battery usage under control. I'm rooted and freeze whole bunch of stuff, more so than under Jelly Bean and it's still not what it used to be. I even did full factory reset, which is a huge pain all by itself (car BT pairing took 3 days alone, it wouldn't auto connect, lost few games progress despite restoring from backup, needed to restore AC3 again etc.) and still battery usage is much higher now than before. I really see no improvement whatsoever, oh wait I see that new volte message sometimes popping up, big deal, I can make phone calls just the same as before . Did I mention I lost region unlock? Not sure about SIM lock, I know it got unlocked with region, but now, after update probably locked again. To be fair Effortless method worked great, but for me it was all downhill afterwords and I'm not sure I would upgrade knowing what I know now. Maybe my experience is isolated and due to something particular I did or not do, but the old saying "don't fix it if it ain't broken" rings in my ear over and over again.
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Sure there are other problems, in my case I can't get the battery usage under control. I'm rooted and freeze whole bunch of stuff, more so than under Jelly Bean and it's still not what it used to be. I even did full factory reset, which is a huge pain all by itself (car BT pairing took 3 days alone, it wouldn't auto connect, lost few games progress despite restoring from backup, needed to restore AC3 again etc.) and still battery usage is much higher now than before. I really see no improvement whatsoever, oh wait I see that new volte message sometimes popping up, big deal, I can make phone calls just the same as before . Did I mention I lost region unlock? Not sure about SIM lock, I know it got unlocked with region, but now, after update probably locked again. To be fair Effortless method worked great, but for me it was all downhill afterwords and I'm not sure I would upgrade knowing what I know now. Maybe my experience is isolated and due to something particular I did or not do, but the old saying "don't fix it if it ain't broken" rings in my ear over and over again.
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If your having issues you might want to try reflash. I didn't loose any apps or games, my car bt connected the same, remember that now your phone uses volte which could be a cause for more battery drain so why don't you try turn it off after reflashing. My only complaint is that while your on a voltle call you can conference as many calls you want but don't have the option to drop a specific line so only option is to end all call. I just went to volte settings and changed it to do not use volte and now i got back my conference call button back when on multiple calls.
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If your having issues you might want to try reflash. I didn't loose any apps or games, my car bt connected the same, remember that now your phone uses volte which could be a cause for more battery drain so why don't you try turn it off after reflashing. My only complaint is that while your on a voltle call you can conference as many calls you want but don't have the option to drop a specific line so only option is to end all call. I just went to volte settings and changed it to do not use volte and now i got back my conference call button back when on multiple calls.
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Thanks for ideas, but It's not volte, when home i"m always on wifi and for example just last night lost 20% charge overnight, wakelock shows nothing, the only time I had anything like that on JB was when I switched off wifi power save in secret menu long time ago when troubleshooting wifi calling. BT first wouldn't connect at all, then connected, but wouldn't reconnect again next day, finally on third day it held. I think I read somebody was claiming SD card fix breaks BT, or something like that, but now finally seems to be working. I'll probably freeze/disable everything at some point and then start enabling few apps at the time, to see when it starts blowing battery again, but this will take forever.. Update itself went fine, I even verified firmware's checksums, like first time ever and I have no reboots, no crashes, no freezing. Actually let me check that stupid wifi save mode, maybe it turned itself off.
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Sure there are other problems, in my case I can't get the battery usage under control. I'm rooted and freeze whole bunch of stuff, more so than under Jelly Bean and it's still not what it used to be. I even did full factory reset, which is a huge pain all by itself (car BT pairing took 3 days alone, it wouldn't auto connect, lost few games progress despite restoring from backup, needed to restore AC3 again etc.) and still battery usage is much higher now than before. I really see no improvement whatsoever, oh wait I see that new volte message sometimes popping up, big deal, I can make phone calls just the same as before . Did I mention I lost region unlock? Not sure about SIM lock, I know it got unlocked with region, but now, after update probably locked again. To be fair Effortless method worked great, but for me it was all downhill afterwords and I'm not sure I would upgrade knowing what I know now. Maybe my experience is isolated and due to something particular I did or not do, but the old saying "don't fix it if it ain't broken" rings in my ear over and over again.
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Ok first of all the reason why I'm responding is purely to try and help, and I know some people can be sensitive to criticism so I just wanted to clarify that my intentions are not to flame you. With that being said I know that I don't "know" so I'm only basing this from your post, but you seem to be extremely negative about the entire process in general. I also understand that it may be overwhelming for people who aren't technically "in to" rooting or even customizing their phones, which is why I often consider rooting to be a double edged sword for a lot of people.
This is why basically imo it's a complete waste for someone to "pay" someone else to root or customize their phone for them (I'm definitely not implying that's what you did or anything just to clarify), because it's not in the least bit a one time thing where once it's done it'll just be smooth sailing from there on out. It takes a huge amount of upkeep and dedication to get and enjoy the most out of what rooting and customizing has to offer, and for some people the trade off just isn't worth the overall amount of work which involved with it. It always just depends on the person, how they use and how much they use their phones, the amount of work they are willing to put into it, and what exactly they expect to get out of it, to determine if it's even worth the process to begin with.
As far as what you were talking about with wiping the phone, having to set everything up again, and losing some of your game data, it kinda sounds like that was along the lines of a traumatic experience for you especially when compared to others who might actually go through that same process 10 or more times a day and really enjoy it.
Also as far as your battery life goes there's so many different variables that can determine whether you'll have killer battery life or struggle to make it through the day kinda battery life, but the beauty of root and the ability to customize is that you never have to just settle for one or the other. One thing I'd strongly suggest is to look into different Kernels depending on which rom you're on, because it's amazing how much difference the right kernel for your device alone can make with battery. Every single device is different in it's own tolerances and even if you pull 2 of the same phones that are back to back off of the assembly line, one might work better with a specific kernel/rom combination than another, one could have better stock battery life than the other, and so on. So I always try to take others experiences with certain Kernels or Roms kind of lightly, because that doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to have the same results with my specific device.
Another to keep in mind is that whenever you flash a new rom, kernel, or even flash a new ota, it'll always take at least 3 or 4 days before the kernel will fully settle in and start to show the "true" battery life and performance that you can expect. So if you flash a new rom or kernel and then decide after just one day that the battery life sucks or that the performance isn't what you were expecting and then flash something else, you literally have no idea how that rom or kernel would've truly performed because it didn't even have enough time to settle in. For example I flashed a kernel one time and for the first 3 days the battery life was 10 times worse than what I was getting, and then half way through the 3rd day I started to notice it getting better and better until it wound up literally being the best battery life I had ever had at that point. So if I would've said screw it and automatically decided it was going to be terrible based on what it did at first, I would've screwed myself out of the best battery life I'd ever had up until then. It just takes a lot of patients and I'm not saying this is what you did at all, but I think a lot of people simply don't wait long enough to actually see the "true results" before deciding something is good or bad.
Anyway I waited awhile before doing the update as well because my phone was running almost exactly how I liked it, and when I finally did do the update I wasn't getting the same results at first which can always be discouraging. I'm glad now that I did do the update though because it took some tinkering with but now it's running even better than it was before. Good luck with your phone though and I guess my point is that you don't have to settle for anything if you don't want to, that's the beauty of being able to do all of this on the first place!
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Thanks for the advice, but to clarify things: there are many posts on this forums and T-mobile forum complaining about poor battery life after updating to KK, so I'm not alone. It's been close to 2 months since I updated and I still can't get my phone to run as efficiently as it was, so I'm frustrated since nothing shows up in wakelock or any other program I tried. One time I can loose 20% overnight, other time 2%, never had anything like that before. I have no idea what are you talking about people paying for rooting their phone, so I just leave it at that. I have few games that have many levels, where you can't go to next level before finishing the lower one, I backed up all programs and data with Titanium and some games didn't restore properly, even with multiple tries leaving me at level one, no big deal since I'm not hardcore gamer, but things like that do happen. As far as updates in general go, I had a lot of bad experiences, once I even lost my desktop computer after updating manufacturer released faulty BIOS and had to buy video card to fix it, even recent Apple's ios 8.01 update was faulty and they had to release update to update, next day, so things not always go as planned. I do not see any visible benefits in KK, all I see is broken SD card access, gone per apps permission settings, patched up root exploit (thank you towelroot for new one, which is already patched in the latest release BTW) and in my case poor battery life, so I'm not impressed and not quiet sure it was worth for me to update. I felt OP should have been warned, that there are some people having some issues after the update. Maybe because I like my Note3 a lot and want it to be perfect, this battery issue annoys me more than it should, but it seems the harder I try, the worst it gets.
I have been getting an extreme battery drain for the past few days and cannot tell what is causing it other than a signal issue on T-Mobiles end.
First let me start by saying I came from the 5.1 leak that was out and then ODINed the latest official 5.1 (after wiping all partitions). Everything ran fine for a while until a few days ago. Noticed that my signal would change from 4GLTE to just plain 4G and my phone would get reaallly hott and burn through battery real quick. All apps closed, no background apps consuming too much data. It's gotten to be really bad I can't go anywhere now without a charger handy. I paid 800+ for this phone and I am super pissed that I'm having this issue. It would go from a full battery to dead within 3-4 hours with very little use at all.
Has anyone else been experiencing this? My next step is to try factory reset and if still no luck try re flashing the official through ODIN again and if still nothing try exchanging through T-Mobile...
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I would recommend factory reset and start from scratch.
I'm still running stock setup with a bunch of junk apps disabled and I get great battery life and not once has this phone gotten warm let alone hot. I also did the ota update when it was released with no side affects what so ever.
We shouldn't bash the phone or Samsung if we're messing with the phone and then complaining about it not been worth the money we paid for it, all I can say is that this phone is perfect out of the box as is. Its up to the development community here on XDA to improve on what Samsung has done.
But everybody's rushing to flash and shortcuts are being taken and the end result is a bunch of people grumbling about the phone.
For this reason I'm waiting for the perfected root procedure that involves one file in Odin and your done. Root without side affects, custom recovery I can live without.
Try going back to stock and run the phone for a 24hr period and then you can figure out if its the phone or something you did.
Pp.