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The Note 3 is rumored to have 3GB of RAM. I believe that is a first for smartphones. But does it actually mean anything for real world performance or is it just for the spec sheet. Are there any use cases where 2GB is not sufficient?
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The Note 3 is rumored to have 3GB of RAM. I believe that is a first for smartphones. But does it actually mean anything for real world performance or is it just for the spec sheet. Are there any use cases where 2GB is not sufficient?
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You know, since we do not have any phone with 3GB we really don't know that?
But we can speculate, and 2GB did bring marked difference to the table with more apps that can stay suspended in memory so we can easily come back to them @ later time. Basically, there will be no other bonus beside better multitasking, unless someone figures a way to run 2 systems @ once (for whatever reason that may be) or we get into very advanced gaming (that GPU performance would not allow anyway) with huge framebuffers and AA. To date, I have not found any case where 2GB was not enough, no single app that would eat more than 1GB of ram - supposedly you can write an app that would use all available memory as storage for levels and textures and whatever just to increase smoothness of gameplay, but that would not make it a requirement, only an added option, since the game must be designed to run on some lowest common platform (within reason).
So in a way it will certainly mean "something" for a smoothness, just how much depends on your uses and application developers, for now I don't think you will see any difference from more memory, because it will be dwarfed by faster CPU and GPU speeds.
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The Note 3 is rumored to have 3GB of RAM. I believe that is a first for smartphones. But does it actually mean anything for real world performance or is it just for the spec sheet. Are there any use cases where 2GB is not sufficient?
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well ram does make little significant in multitasking and gaming but apart from it there is no much gain as of now 2gb is enough to perform all task and it works great as of now. we rather need more ram demanding games and apps to utilize the power of it, so yes as of now its a co. specs sheet to launch a new smartphone , its future proof but to catch up with it we need a more demanding android platform,games and app.
Samsung are only doing it for the sake of the specs bump. I'm probably going to wait for the Note 4 myself, maybe we will need more ram by then.
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You never needed more than 2GB of RAM because the system is optimized to leave certain ammount of free RAM thereby closing applications designated as "unused",which might not be regarded so much unused by us after all.So in my opponion a device with 3GB of RAM will be significantly faster and smoother.
I have more than 1GB of ram free in 90% of the cases so 3GB is overkill for now.
3GB won't really make a huge difference since we already have 2GB memory on our Note2...
I have no money so I guess I'll just wait for Note 5.
Nothing better, no difference !
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When earlier everyone has 1 gb.. people use to say 2 gb wont make any difference.. bt now a days 2 gb is necessary... so i think 3 gb will soon come into action...
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taran181 said:
When earlier everyone has 1 gb.. people use to say 2 gb wont make any difference.. bt now a days 2 gb is necessary... so i think 3 gb will soon come into action...
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The more the merrier!
1 gb was fine but with the s3 it did get hogged up.
2 seems good but its stretching it!
plskillme said:
3GB won't really make a huge difference since we already have 2GB memory on our Note2...
I have no money so I guess I'll just wait for Note 5.
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Watch it will make a difference. When we get 4.3 from Sammy our beloved Note 2 will seem to get slower and laggy. With each new firmware update, the files get bigger and also the apps need more memory.
If the rumors are true then I will be the first in line for the new note 3
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taran181 said:
When earlier everyone has 1 gb.. people use to say 2 gb wont make any difference.. bt now a days 2 gb is necessary... so i think 3 gb will soon come into action...
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I had far lesser RAM on my DHD last year and I was contended even if the games load a tad slower compared to higher tier phones.
IMO The huge bump for the RAM is to accommodate a heavier version of any given UI.
jetbruceli said:
The more the merrier!
1 gb was fine but with the s3 it did get hogged up.
2 seems good but its stretching it!
Watch it will make a difference. When we get 4.3 from Sammy our beloved Note 2 will seem to get slower and laggy. With each new firmware update, the files get bigger and also the apps need more memory.
If the rumors are true then I will be the first in line for the new note 3
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I'm trying to save for a lot & house so having a new phone for me might get irrelevant for my needs in my new house. But anyways, Good luck on your future phone
I think right now 3GB of RAM is just future proofing. Nothing ever challenges the Note II's 2GB.
With that said, the more the merrier.
IMO, it will increase performance ..Personally, I need 3 Gb.. I have more than 400 app which all have at least one function I want. I multitask a lot. Moreover, I have more than 10 background running apps Eg. Gmd gesture control, Gmd s pen control, swipepad, swipapp, air control, control center,magic unlock, lmt pie control, ..... Blah blah.
So, if I start to run more other apps, I always got over 90 % of my 2 Gb and I sometimes feel my phone become sluggish though not always .. So 3 Gb will be perfect for me
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Samsung might be planning for things to make use of the 3GB .. If they didn't make that much difference, it's always good to have them ^^ with hopefully the snapdragon 800 2.X GHz .. I don't know if it will be worth upgrading from note 2, we'll just wait and see.
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I regularly see free RAM drop to under 200MB, though I do have quite a few apps running. I see this more as Android effectively utilising RAM than anything else.
But with RAM being so cheap, why not have more and keep more in memory? Reduce I/O delays and flash wear, reduce battery use, and with higher and higher res screens, app assets will just keep increasing in size (4.3 supports up to 600+ DPI for example).
crizolli said:
I think right now 3GB of RAM is just future proofing. Nothing ever challenges the Note II's 2GB.
With that said, the more the merrier.
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A year ago 1Gb ram was said to be enough, now 2 Gb is enough so if we are going yo run note 3 for a year then it is going to be enough cz we all know that samsung is going to put a lot of bloat in note 3.
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Also, from 1 to 2 it is doubling it. 2 to 3 is only 50%.
Beside this, sometimes the time will come android being a fat memory wasting pig. But this won't be happening within the next some years.
They will improve stats and will make you believe you need them, so you hang on buying the latest ****.. Over and over again. That's like modern economy works .
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Also, from 1 to 2 it is doubling it. 2 to 3 is only 50%.
Beside this, sometimes the time will come android being a fat memory wasting pig. But this won't be happening within the next some years.
They will improve stats and will make you believe you need them, so you hang on buying the latest ****.. Over and over again. That's like modern economy works .
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Yeah exactly. The specs get bumped to create the impression that your current device is sub par. Even 1gb ram would be enough if Samsung didn't keep adding more and more useless features in every new device. Things like smart pause and s health are totally unnecessary for most people.
The only reason I even run TouchWiz is that the battery life is better than aosp. If it wasn't for that then I'd be totally happy with boring old vanilla Android on my note. This is the first phone I've ever had that I can feel free to use as I please and be confident that it will easily get me through the day and even well into the next.
Yeah the Note 3 may improve on that slightly but it's still not much of a reason to upgrade. Unless it has some miracle feature which significantly changes the way I use my phone, I'll wait for the Note 4 or 5. I just can't see it though. A minor spec bump and a raft of useless bloat just aren't getting me excited.
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Lol. May be the new touch wiz with Android 4.3 is going to be 2gb in itself. ?........
I was updating my brothers nexus 4...4.3 is a 160 MB OTA update.... almost the size of a full aosp rom. So may be Samsung 4.3 rom is going to be 2gb....
Note 3 will be having 3gb ram!
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Anyone have experience using both? I have a 1gb version and I am pretty happy with it other than the performance sometimes. Ram can go below 100mb and then lag will kick in... I love the screen size and battery. Sticking with stock b221 as well cos I find this to be best for 1gb so far.. Other custom roms shoes down the phone after a while for me.. Since mate is around usd 199 now.. Was thinking getting a 2gb version as spare and sell off the 1gb.. I was hoping 2gb will give a much smoother experience.
Anyone?
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Anyone have experience using both? I have a 1gb version and I am pretty happy with it other than the performance sometimes. Ram can go below 100mb and then lag will kick in... I love the screen size and battery. Sticking with stock b221 as well cos I find this to be best for 1gb so far.. Other custom roms shoes down the phone after a while for me.. Since mate is around usd 199 now.. Was thinking getting a 2gb version as spare and sell off the 1gb.. I was hoping 2gb will give a much smoother experience.
Anyone?
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i didnt get to use both, but for the past 1 year and 10 months, my 2gb mate never dissappoint me. now with helps from our great devs here, i will keep huawei phones till i feel i cant no more
i suggest you take the 2gb amd it will be a different experiences considering the ram improvement over the 1gb you hv now.
ps: i even bought another huawei ; Honor 3C H30-U10...
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go for it, it's a world of difference.
Thanks.
I was hoping for this answer. I find the speaker and screen to be very good. I dun mind the 720p at all. I have a z ultra and if the performance is at par, I wouldn't mind using HAM at all. But the responsiveness with 1GB is starting to get unbearable.... I remember I was at a Huawei shop and saw the 2gb version and just check out the ram use.. It's at about 700+ free ram with pretty much only stock apps. So I figured for my 1GB to be able to function, there must be some serious performance tone down...
If only the LTE band would work here, I would have gotten the mate 2... Hoping for mate 7 to be announced soon to see how thing goes.
Hello. I am debating between the Nexus 5X and 6P. I come from a Galaxy S4. I prefer the size of the Nexus 5X, and I am fine with the Snapdragon 808 and 1080p display, but the 2 GB RAM worries me. I know that 2 GB RAM will be enough for today, but will it be enough 3 years from now? Will it slow down or not be able to get Android version upgrades due to having less RAM? Is Android becoming more demanding of RAM, or less demanding? Is it worth it to get the 6P for the "future proofing"? Am I being paranoid? Thank you.
It will be OK untill next year I think. Still the more ram the merrier, as always. Today 3 gb is ok for skinned oem and I think a barebone nexus takes less ram initially than ex Samsung or LG. My Z5c has two ram and you can't open very many apps before you have to reload, and Sonys ui has less bloat than many others.
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Gobbling_Monkey said:
Hello. I am debating between the Nexus 5X and 6P. I come from a Galaxy S4. I prefer the size of the Nexus 5X, and I am fine with the Snapdragon 808 and 1080p display, but the 2 GB RAM worries me. I know that 2 GB RAM will be enough for today, but will it be enough 3 years from now? Will it slow down or not be able to get Android version upgrades due to having less RAM? Is Android becoming more demanding of RAM, or less demanding? Is it worth it to get the 6P for the "future proofing"? Am I being paranoid? Thank you.
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RAM on smartphones these days is a completely different beast to just a few years ago. The OS is much better at optimizing and using what is available and works in a different manner to to desktops and laptops.
Have a read:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ram+on+phone
The Nexus 5 is still a well loved and well used device and 2GB ram is not a problem there.
I had no hesitation about the 5X and have come across no issues yet.
I'll tell you what, my S6 edge had 3gb of RAM and the available RAM on that phone is the same as my 5X. Unused RAM is wasted RAM. But if you want to future proof your phone, find one that offers 4gb of RAM and has good development for 3rd party ROMs.
So you think you'll keep the nexus 5x for three years? Also it would get at least 2 major updates so I wouldn't be worried about ram.
One of the reasons i got a 6p and not 5x was the 2GB of ram.. And max 32GB space. My nexus 5 has 2 & 32.. I am almost out of room for files.. And my available ram is 150MB.. I think it was causing slowness i had to constantly close apps. So to answer your question YES it is an issue. I am shocked and disappointed that after 3 years they came out with a device with pretty much the same specs
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One of the reasons i got a 6p and not 5x was the 2GB of ram.. And max 32GB space. My nexus 5 has 2 & 32.. I am almost out of room for files.. And my available ram is 150MB.. I think it was causing slowness i had to constantly close apps. So to answer your question YES it is an issue. I am shocked and disappointed that after 3 years they came out with a device with pretty much the same specs
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The storage space is a legit concern, but unused RAM is wasted RAM. If you have 150 MB free of RAM, then 2 GB is more than plenty.
I agree.. But i was starting to experience mini crashes in camera app.. And sluggishness in general.. Closing background apps helped fixed it... So i assume 150 Ram left is not enough
I would say it's fine as long as you don't play RAM hungry games and expect to multi-task (ie. your apps are still loaded after starting the game, your game is still running if you check a couple of other apps). If you do expect to multi-task like this you'll be disappointed.
That 150-300MB free is 'wasted' if you don't have anything else to do on your phone, but if you want to open a 500+ MB game on top of that then things are going to get booted and then the game will get booted if/when you open those things again.
Also even if the phone needs to dump a few small apps when things get full most things like camera or browser or reddit app reload quickly, games can take forever to load so that when I was playing one (Uprising) I was loath to switch away from it in case it would get closed and need to load again.
I'm thinking about finally buying a new phone to replace my old nexus 5x... Pixel 2 XL is definitely on my list, as well as V30.
But I've looked at the speed tests on YouTube from the phonebuff guy and it struck me that all the Android phones with less than 6gb ram struggle greatly with the test in opening all the apps for the second time. For me it's really close to daily usage test and I must say that I notice it more and more switching from different apps. None of the phones with 6gb (oneplus 5, P10, s8+) as well as iPhone 7 / 7 plus had any issues in that manner. On the other hand side I'm not a gamer so not sure whether I will notice that problem at all with a 4Gb phone...
I also don't think that the oreo will bring any improvement (at least it didn't to my 5x).
Not sure what to do now... I'll also wait for the huawei mate 10 and then make a decision...
Any thoughts?
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I have a Nexus 5X as well and while 2GB isn't enough in my experience it's just barely not enough. I personally am not concerned at all that 4GB isn't going to be enough.
I had a regular xl and it was really smooth on Oreo. I'm not really worried about 4 gb
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4 GB is plenty of horsepower! ????
Lol.. Like Gates... 640KB ought to be enough for anybody
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If 4GB Ram is enough for Galaxy S8+, which it is, I have one! With all TW nonsense,
it'd surely be enough for Pixel 2/XL devices as well!
samteeee said:
If 4GB Ram is enough for Galaxy S8+, which it is, I have one! With all TW nonsense,
it'd surely be enough for Pixel 2/XL devices as well!
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Agreed. My Galaxy S8 ran buttery smooth with 4GB RAM, even with the obnoxious amount of bloatware Samsung puts on the phone. I used the S8 as my daily driver for 4 months and never had a hiccup/stutter. So the Pixel 2 XL should be perfectly fine with 4GB RAM.
Oddly enough, my 4 day old LG V30 with 4GB RAM stutters/lags all over the place. However, I truly believe this is due to LG's software needing some significant performance optimization, rather than the phone having 4GB RAM.
I can't wait to get my Pixel 2 XL and turn this V30 back into T-Mobile.
I ran every single app on my phone back to back while setting up my 2XL. I have over 100 apps installed. At one point I needed to go back to play something I had left running on the Xfinity streaming app. When I used the app switcher, it was like I never unloaded the program, and I was something like 20-30 apps deep at that point. It loaded exactly where I left it and exactly where I paused it.
Whatever they're doing with the software is great and 4 gigs seems like more than enough.
On every phone I've owned I'm always most interested in performance so this is great to hear.
I know I'm going to be happy with the screen, I know I'm going to love the camera and I've already held the phone in a verizon store, so I know I love the look and feel. The performance seemed terrific in the store but I couldn't really put it through its paces so thanks for the update.
xybur said:
I ran every single app on my phone back to back while setting up my 2XL. I have over 100 apps installed. At one point I needed to go back to play something I had left running on the Xfinity streaming app. When I used the app switcher, it was like I never unloaded the program, and I was something like 20-30 apps deep at that point. It loaded exactly where I left it and exactly where I paused it.
Whatever they're doing with the software is great and 4 gigs seems like more than enough.
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I have a OnePlus 3 I'm coming from and have literally never seen more than 4GB RAM in use
Yes l have a op5 yes l have 8GB of ram yes it's better than only 4GB of ram .
Hope this helps ?
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a g bell said:
Yes l have a op5 yes l have 8GB of ram yes it's better than only 4GB of ram .
Hope this helps
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How is it better? I have OP3 with 6GB and don't notice much of a difference with RAM on Nexus 6P already which has 3GB
I guess it just boggles my mind that 4gb can somehow not be "enough" on a phone today when 4gb can most definitely be "enough" when using a full desktop PC.
And yes I get it.....8gb is preferable on desktop PC's now. I understand. But if you ONLY used a desktop PC for the exact same things you use a phone for, 4gb is not an issue. At all.
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Seems that a EU version of the A50 has only 4gb ram and 128gb model.
Was sort of interested in the a50 but would have certainly liked the extra Ram,
Wonder when this thing hits the UK and what sort of variants will it have then
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Seems that a EU version of the A50 has only 4gb ram and 128gb model.
Was sort of interested in the a50 but would have certainly liked the extra Ram,
Wonder when this thing hits the UK and what sort of variants will it have then
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Doesn't matter that much, Pixel phones and iPhones also have only 4GB ram but they are fast enough due to their software optimizations
ThatZenon said:
Doesn't matter that much, Pixel phones and iPhones also have only 4GB ram but they are fast enough due to their software optimizations
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Having owned both 2gb,4gb ,and 6gb phones,I can tell you it definitely makes a difference to performance and memory management
manus31 said:
Having owned both 2gb,4gb ,and 6gb phones,I can tell you it definitely makes a difference to performance and memory management
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It depends upon the processor not the ram, compare it with iPhone or pixel
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It depends upon the processor not the ram, compare it with iPhone or pixel
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Yep, processor is important but most processor s these days are adequate enough for most users
The more ram you have though does help performance because it means your phone can hold more apps in memory and bring those apps up quicker when needed,
Software and Ram management plays a role here also,
But your phone will definitely be a nippier better performer all things considered
manus31 said:
Yep, processor is important but most processor s these days are adequate enough for most users
The more ram you have though does help performance because it means your phone can hold more apps in memory and bring those apps up quicker when needed,
Software and Ram management plays a role here also,
But your phone will definitely be a nippier better performer all things considered
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Yeah I agree , more ram let's you store more apps in memory so that you can open them quickly without the need to load, Software optimizations also play an important role so it varies across different manufacturers according to their software optimizations, Currently all flagships mostly start with 6GB RAM in base variant, so there is no need to worry if you change your phone like every year or two, but if you want to keep it for more than two , you can consider a higher RAM variant.
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manus31 said:
Yep, processor is important but most processor s these days are adequate enough for most users
The more ram you have though does help performance because it means your phone can hold more apps in memory and bring those apps up quicker when needed,
Software and Ram management plays a role here also,
But your phone will definitely be a nippier better performer all things considered
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Yeah I agree , more ram let's you store more apps in memory so that you can open them quickly without the need to load, Software optimizations also play an important role so it varies across different manufacturers according to their software optimizations, Currently flagships mostly start with 6GB RAM in base variant, so there is no need to worry if you change your phone like every year or two, but if you want to keep it for more than two , you can consider a higher RAM variant.
Does the EU model A50 have NFC?
I find different information...
Yes it does. Using it many times a day to make payments.
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Hi,
Anyone that has DEVELOPED using JAVA knows that the RAM HEAP is the MOST relevant issue for performance. So 6GB instead of 4GB makes a BIG DIFFERENCE.
Read more in this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-a50/help/6gb-ram-128gb-flash-t3907146