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Is 2 GB of ram really necessary for android ?

You guys think the next Google phone will have 2GB of RAM? LG just announce their new phone and it has 2GB of ram 0_o man are they crazy? Lol
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My galaxy note always consumes not less than 650MB even though I always kill game apps but I don't want to always kill apps. So yes, 2GB is a big plus and would be necessary especially for hardcore users.
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Yes most likely. games and apps will get better and need better hardware

Sure. Why not include it if the price of the phones will be the same price?

More ram is always good. I'd never encountered a situation where it isn't (desktop). Besides, ram is cheap and if it won't hurt the price I'd take it.
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I dont understand why...I barely use up 1GB and thats just becoming a Standard. I'd think the Dec. '13 Nexus might have it. Definitely not in 2012 though.

Depends on how hard core you're muti-tasking. I can easily hit the 2GB limit if I'm multitasking like crazy (i.e. swtiching between XDA, the web, another forum app, gmail, music, youtube, twitter, google currents, all within a matter of minutes).
Android is so seamless though that I rarely recognize when an app has been closed down.

But couldn't android be more optimize instead? I mean no even Google uses that much ram for their device( and I don't think they will this year) and what's up with quad core ? You think that's necessary ? I haven't rooted my galaxy nexus cause I will go crazy flashing rooms like before but stock feels fast without lag with a duel core
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Why does it matter if a phone has 2GB or 3GB of RAM?
Computers... who needs 16GB of RAM? who needs 32GB of RAM?
.... we can because we can. More RAM the better, especially if it's at the SAME PRICE. This is innovation. As Android advances, it'll definitely be using more RAM. So why complain if a manufacturer will give you more RAM?
Makes no sense. It doesn't matter if it's necessary or not. That's like saying, are quad cores necessary on phones / tablets? Not really, is it nice to have? hell yeah. This the basic fundamentals of innovation and competition.

Lol is it necessary? It isn't necessary, but god knows Android can use all the help it can get before any further optimization. Plus, what the poster said before me - why not?
Damn, what a drag it is to be able multitask more. Sucks having that choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jzfni1oFNY

The voltage draw on 2gb of ram would be crazy. Battery life will suffer
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I say the next one will have 1.5GB, not more.

malibu_23 said:
The voltage draw on 2gb of ram would be crazy. Battery life will suffer
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Exactly why 1GB has been the standard...anything more and expect a huge impact on battery
Would it be nice to have a quad core phone with 2GB ram? Sure...would it be nice to have about 1 hour on screen time or less? I don't think so...

metalspring said:
Exactly why 1GB has been the standard...anything more and expect a huge impact on battery
Would it be nice to have a quad core phone with 2GB ram? Sure...would it be nice to have about 1 hour on screen time or less? I don't think so...
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That's like saying NVIDIA Tegra 3's Quad-Core will use more processing power.
It's obvious that mAh batteries are kind of outdated and there needs to be something done with battery to improve its usage.
the 2GB ram could be ondemand RAM or something of that sort. all im saying is that, hardware should not be limited due to battery usages. look at verizon, they're pumping out 4G LTE at the cost of battery life

EVERYONE!
Dalvik VM.
No need for 2GB of RAM. I totally forgot about that.
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2gb ram is itself not enough dude !!!!!!!!!!! and more over armv7 processors r not built for it yet........... any how if 2gb ram is allocated in the phone there must be compitent gigs ... to maintain it i guess 2.0ghz will be enough ..........its practically impossible till date to built phone with 2gb ram
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The voltage draw on 2gb of ram would be crazy. Battery life will suffer
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yes u r correct the battery will drain faster than even u charge it before hand

Smokeey said:
EVERYONE!
Dalvik VM.
No need for 2GB of RAM. I totally forgot about that.
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Virtual memory is not as efficient as physical memory (its slower).... but I do agree 2gb of ram is a little overboard... maybe for tablets with native ubuntu/linux booting, but not android.
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Necessary? No, probably not. Welcome? Yes.

Provided the battery life and device price don't suffer, the more ram the better.
"So much more ram for activities"
However I'm worried that if hardware innovation moves too fast then people won't know what's actually necessary to run Android with standard apps/games. If everyone is talking about 2GB of ram in Android devices people will think that 1GB or less won't be enough. Similar to how people started understating single core processors once dual core came out.

Converting from a Sony Xperia Z1 Compact

I'm planning to sell my old Z1C for a 5.5 inch Zenfone 2 (2gb)... Will it be worth it? How's overall performace on this? App compatibilities (the mobile Intel processor is foreign to me)? Official and dev support?

2k14 said:
I'm planning to sell my old Z1C for a 5.5 inch Zenfone 2 (2gb)... Will it be worth it? How's overall performace on this? App compatibilities (the mobile Intel processor is foreign to me)? Official and dev support?
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I happen to love my ZF2 ZE551 4/64 since it can run Windoze 7 & 8 w/ a custom kernel supporting kvm. Just my 2 cents

ycavan said:
I happen to love my ZF2 ZE551 4/64 since it can run Windoze 7 & 8 w/ a custom kernel supporting kvm. Just my 2 cents
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Woah! Windows Phone roms??! That sounds fantastic... But compared to your 4gb device, how will the 2gb one fair? I do basic multitasking, multimedia browsing and my Z1C's 2gb has served me well though...
P.S. My budget doesn't grasp the 4gb model

2k14 said:
Woah! Windows Phone roms??! That sounds fantastic... But compared to your 4gb device, how will the 2gb one fair? I do basic multitasking, multimedia browsing and my Z1C's 2gb has served me well though...
P.S. My budget doesn't grasp the 4gb model
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lol, no desktop Windoze... not windows phone Please see this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299
tbh? I'm sure the 2gb phone will be fine for most anything. I have yet to find any apps that don't work on my ZF2 & most Android apps are NOT going to use 2 gigs of ram.

Don't think you'll have any problem with the 2GB version. Is it the 1.8ghz or the 2.3ghz model? Again, it shouldn't make a huge difference - the two chips have identical architecture, the same base speed and the same gpu. The only difference is the higher spec one can turbo higher in bursts. There are some corners cut to sell a device as cheaply as the Zenfone range, but powerful performance isn't lacking, and though it is a low to mid-range device I believe you get more than you pay for and it punches above it's weight. I came from an iPhone 5 to my Zenfone ZE550ML and I love it.

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Don't think you'll have any problem with the 2GB version. Is it the 1.8ghz or the 2.3ghz model? Again, it shouldn't make a huge difference - the two chips have identical architecture, the same base speed and the same gpu. The only difference is the higher spec one can turbo higher in bursts. There are some corners cut to sell a device as cheaply as the Zenfone range, but powerful performance isn't lacking, and though it is a low to mid-range device I believe you get more than you pay for and it punches above it's weight. I came from an iPhone 5 to my Zenfone ZE550ML and I love it.
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I understand the ZF2's stance in the high-mid range of the market however I'm concerned whether the ZF2 will be a downgrade from my Z1C... I'm particularly hoping the ZF2 as similarly snappy and capable as my Z1C but with the advantages that come as a phone thats released this year as opposed to the 2013 Z1C.
Also the Z1C has an amazing camera that has served me well. How's the ZF2's camera?

Well, benchmarks suggest the Zenfone 2 has quite a big performance advantage over your Z1C, and most users on here will probably tell you that it is very smooth and snappy to use in real everyday usage too. The camera on the Zenfone has its detractors, but mostly they are comparing it to things like the Galaxy S6 or iPhones. It is not perfect by any means, but a capable camera given the price. All reviews I have read pretty much slate the Z1/Z1C's camera though, so you might find that the Zenfone's is at least on a par.

is this phone junk

i was planning to buy one of these phones but what ive read it seems like alot of issues with it.any imput would be appreciated

For me, it's the best phone i bought. I had a iphone 4s and the Zenfone 2 rocks.
Fast, great screen, 64gb plus another 64gb micro sd, i love the camera quality. The only downside is the battery size. I wish that it would last longer but right now, it's not a big issue for me.
Definitely a great phone to buy.
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Extremely happy with this phone. Battery life could be better but hey, its not that bad

thanks for the replies i just may buy one

I highly recommend getting one
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Best dual SIM I have ever used.
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This is a flagship phone with a small price...
There are little problems here and there but that can be said about ALL phones... Battery is always a problem with the newer phones, the higher screen resolution really eats up battery, and the memory leak from Android 5. 0 probably doesn't help. But saying that, we have 4gb of ram that pretty much kicks arse and, when it came out, was the largest amount of ram in a phone...

I be had my 4g/64 model for 3 months and I can honestly say it is a great deal for the price. Very fast and responsive.
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hey thank you guys thisnreally helped

Easy to root and by the magic of Linux Deploy I'm running 64-bit ubuntu 15.04 alongside android. I can take notes in emacs while talking on the phone.
I do recommend upgrading to a quick-charge charger wherever you can. I'm having good success with the tronsmart chargers on amazon.

ultramag69 said:
This is a flagship phone with a small price...
There are little problems here and there but that can be said about ALL phones... Battery is always a problem with the newer phones, the higher screen resolution really eats up battery, and the memory leak from Android 5. 0 probably doesn't help. But saying that, we have 4gb of ram that pretty much kicks arse and, when it came out, was the largest amount of ram in a phone...
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Before my phone went brick, I was not happy with its memory management. I was starting to run slow after a couple of hours of usage, and it didn't help much after killing apps. Is that the memory leak from Android you refer?
I was just using the stock ROM.
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I got the 128 gig version and honestly have not been happier. Battery life is decent, camera is so so, but multi-tasking is really awesome. The UI is a bit bit cartoonish in parts, but with Nova launcher and some judicious changes in Nova/Dev settings (minor), it never lags, never stutters and is the only android phone outside the nexus family, where twitter for android scrolls properly.
It's an incredible device, for its price point. Enough said

thunder45 said:
Before my phone went brick, I was not happy with its memory management. I was starting to run slow after a couple of hours of usage, and it didn't help much after killing apps. Is that the memory leak from Android you refer?
I was just using the stock ROM.
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What model?
The 551ML 4gb ram model I use has no issues with memory management and seem to power through anything but there was a few people saying their 550ML model was a little piss poor due to the 2gb they have.
If you have the 550ML then you probably aren't going to have anything improve much due to the physical limitations...

Certainly not junk! I only got the 550 (720p, 1.8 GHz processor, 2 GB RAM, no NFC and although fast-charging capable, no fast-charger). But even with this cheaper, lower-spec model, and inspite of some software niggles and could-be-better battery life, I am really enjoying this device. Love how it feels in the hand, love the big screen, love how smooth it is to use. It benchmarks on a par with last-gen flagships but I think the Intel SOC actually performs even better than those figures suggest in actual real-life use. A higher mid-range device's power for low-budget device bucks! The camera is very good, not great but way better than it should be considering the price. As I said, there are little niggles and problems and things which could be better, but they all seem very insignificant when you take into consideration the price. The cost performance ratio of this phone is pretty mind-blowing! It is also great that we have an active xda community and plenty of dev support for our device. I enjoy both the stock ASUS experience (tweaked to my satisfaction, naturally) and the CM experience - so much that I have been flitting back and forth from one to the other with regularity. Overall, not a device I'd recommend to luddite noobs who aren't prepared to put some effort in to get it set up right for them, but for anyone who actually knows a little or is prepared to learn it is a fun device and a great value proposition!

I'm very happy with my Z008
Definitely a great phone to buy.

ultramag69 said:
What model?
The 551ML 4gb ram model I use has no issues with memory management and seem to power through anything but there was a few people saying their 550ML model was a little piss poor due to the 2gb they have.
If you have the 550ML then you probably aren't going to have anything improve much due to the physical limitations...
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Actually, my cell phone has ressurected today. And I have the rare 551ML with 2gb ram. It has only 400mb of free RAM right after booting up. So, 1.6gb is consumed with "basic" (bloat) stuff. My phone came rooted. I'm trying to stop and uninstall some stuff, but I didn't have much luck yet.
Thanks

Just watched a "speed test" of the HTC 10

So yeah, the speed test was in another language so o don't know what he was saying. He basically set up a timer and spammed the phone with a load of apps. The HTC ended up coming in last against the Samesung S7 and G5. My question is, sure it came in last, but who the hell is really gonna use their phone like that?? It's not realistic in the slightest. On top of that the 10 is still pre release which makes me think this could have been done deliberately to try and make the 10 look bad and the S7 look good as most reviewers do. What do you guys think? I'll update the post with a link to the video

Those types of tests come up from time to time. Most of the time they should just be ignored because they're not really indicative of anything. Maybe the S7 had everything already cached in RAM, or maybe the G5 had fewer background apps. Either way for 99.98% of people all three phones are basically identical in terms of performance, and really performance hasn't really mattered for a long time in Android. These days, there are more important things to look for than SoC.

I thought I read that the S7 is faster at multitasking whereas the HTC 10 is faster at single tasks.
In the end, jcracken is correct. The 10, S7, and G5 are pretty much the same. All fast.

I agree, they have similar internals. Make your choice on real things like LCD vs AMOLED, modular vs enclosed, wireless charging with micro USB vs USB C, heavy android skins vs minor customizations and the list goes on. These are the things that will identify if a phone is best for you (notice I didn't say best, there is no best just best for you). Not opening and closing apps. If you don't have multiple phones you won't even notice the millisecond difference.

The post about the s7 being faster at multi tasking and the 10 being faster at single tasks... Unless you are talking about the s7 with the Exynos processor, the s7 and the 10, and the g5 for that matter, are all running the exact same processors, that means same amount of cores, same amount of threads, same amount of onboard cache... The only thing I could see making a big enough difference to be noticeable would be the amount of cached processes after a fresh boot, meaning how much junk did the manufacturer and or carrier add to the device such as bloatware. In this situation the 10 has been noticeably lighter than the others in terms of skin mods and bloat, it is the closest to pure Google edition or straight android experience as you can get from these 3. However as others have said, these processors have been so fast in the last few years that it really doesn't make any noticeable difference for daily use because they are all ridiculously fast. This fact that this person used a test that can't be reproduced exactly, and can't be compared to a baseline or huge database of identical tests, shows that he has no idea what he is doing and leads me to believe his results will be biased towards his personal preference. The real results you are looking for will be from a benchmarking software, not from a user opening endless amounts of apps with a stopwatch. Look at Antutu and 3dMark... There may be better ones around now but for me these have been good reliable data. Keyword being DATA. Hope this helps.

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The post about the s7 being faster at multi tasking and the 10 being faster at single tasks... Unless you are talking about the s7 with the Exynos processor, the s7 and the 10, and the g5 for that matter, are all running the exact same processors, that means same amount of cores, same amount of threads, same amount of onboard cache... The only thing I could see making a big enough difference to be noticeable would be the amount of cached processes after a fresh boot, meaning how much junk did the manufacturer and or carrier add to the device such as bloatware. In this situation the 10 has been noticeably lighter than the others in terms of skin mods and bloat, it is the closest to pure Google edition or straight android experience as you can get from these 3. However as others have said, these processors have been so fast in the last few years that it really doesn't make any noticeable difference for daily use because they are all ridiculously fast. This fact that this person used a test that can't be reproduced exactly, and can't be compared to a baseline or huge database of identical tests, shows that he has no idea what he is doing and leads me to believe his results will be biased towards his personal preference. The real results you are looking for will be from a benchmarking software, not from a user opening endless amounts of apps with a stopwatch. Look at Antutu and 3dMark... There may be better ones around now but for me these have been good reliable data. Keyword being DATA. Hope this helps.
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How would it help me open up applications faster on my PC if I were to upgrade from a 2008 i7-920 to a 2015 i7-6700K (+50%-+120% faster) if I'd still be using a hard drive for my operating system and applications?
It would still have the slow hard drive, despite upgrading to a significantly faster CPU, which would be the bottleneck when opening programs or booting the operating system itself.
The SoC is irrelevant in this discussion if the app is not already in memory. If it's not in memory, it's going to be loaded from the internal NAND, which is what will make the difference.
And if the recently opened app is not in memory, then they're doing something wrong. 4GB's of RAM is a ridiculous amount and with zRAM enabled you can fit loads of stuff there.
Last year the M9 was faster than the S6 (and G4 if memory serves correct) in this kind of a test, sure the first round of app opening was slower on the M9 but the M9 held the apps in memory where as the S6 dumped them almost immediately and on the second round M9 blasted past the S6 because M9 was opening the apps from memory (fast) while the S6 was opening them from the NAND (slow).
Because of that, the M9 was one of the best phones for multitasking. Looks like Samsung learned their lesson.
The HTC 10 uses iNAND 7232 (TLC + ~0.5-1GB SLC cache, eMMC5.1) from Sandisk.
Where as the S7/S7E and LG G5 use UFS storage.
Whether or not the eMMC5.1 is a serious enough bottleneck compared to the UFS in regard to opening apps etcetera remains to be seen.
I haven't seen any reliable random 4K read/write numbers (which are important when opening apps, updating them etc from NAND) of the HTC 10.
I'm waiting for Joshua Ho from Anandtech to release his review, which will unfortunately take a while as he's got exams and as a cherry on top they've been doing a major overhaul to their WiFi testing. His S7/S7E review part 2 will arrive first though.
Thankfully I'm not in a hurry to order this phone

This review shows how slow the HTC 10 is at opening certain apps. All down to storage performance?

Does anyone know how much of a performance impact using adoptable storage would have on the phone? Would love to have one 128gb partition rather than the internal memory plus SD card. But just unsure about how if affects performance.
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mahdibassam said:
Does anyone know how much of a performance impact using adoptable storage would have on the phone? Would love to have one 128gb partition rather than the internal memory plus SD card. But just unsure about how if affects performance.
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Well what do you think? Not every SD card is created equal.
If you buy a SD card with really slow random 4K read/write speeds, yes it will impact it a lot.
If you buy a fast one, not that big of an impact*.
Most of the time SD cards have lousy random 4K speeds because the best of the best, crem de la crem NAND chips end up in SSD's and phone NAND storage and so on, SD cards get the lowest quality.
Also SD card manufacturers don't advertise these random 4K numbers so you're going to have to be the Sherlock Holmes yourself and do the research into what is the best product for me.
SD card manufacturers only boast about the sequential read/write speeds which are only relevant with 4K recording or downloading/transferring large files and so on where as opening apps and updating apps and doing this and that stuff on your phone is not sequential so don't focus on those numbers, they're irrelevant with adoptable storage..
Take a look at the page 1 of "MicroSD speed spec" thread over in the "HTC 10 Questions & Answers" subforum, I talked more about this over there and don't feel like typing all of that again.
Here's a direct link to my post there.
*This of course depends on how fast the HTC 10 iNAND 7232 is in regard to random 4K read/write, haven't seen any reliable numbers yet.

lagittaja said:
How would it help me open up applications faster on my PC if I were to upgrade from a 2008 i7-920 to a 2015 i7-6700K (+50%-+120% faster) if I'd still be using a hard drive for my operating system and applications?
It would still have the slow hard drive, despite upgrading to a significantly faster CPU, which would be the bottleneck when opening programs or booting the operating system itself.
The SoC is irrelevant in this discussion if the app is not already in memory. If it's not in memory, it's going to be loaded from the internal NAND, which is what will make the difference.
And if the recently opened app is not in memory, then they're doing something wrong. 4GB's of RAM is a ridiculous amount and with zRAM enabled you can fit loads of stuff there.
Last year the M9 was faster than the S6 (and G4 if memory serves correct) in this kind of a test, sure the first round of app opening was slower on the M9 but the M9 held the apps in memory where as the S6 dumped them almost immediately and on the second round M9 blasted past the S6 because M9 was opening the apps from memory (fast) while the S6 was opening them from the NAND (slow).
Because of that, the M9 was one of the best phones for multitasking. Looks like Samsung learned their lesson.
The HTC 10 uses iNAND 7232 (TLC + ~0.5-1GB SLC cache, eMMC5.1) from Sandisk.
Where as the S7/S7E and LG G5 use UFS storage.
Whether or not the eMMC5.1 is a serious enough bottleneck compared to the UFS in regard to opening apps etcetera remains to be seen.
I haven't seen any reliable random 4K read/write numbers (which are important when opening apps, updating them etc from NAND) of the HTC 10.
I'm waiting for Joshua Ho from Anandtech to release his review, which will unfortunately take a while as he's got exams and as a cherry on top they've been doing a major overhaul to their WiFi testing. His S7/S7E review part 2 will arrive first though.
Thankfully I'm not in a hurry to order this phone
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Whoa thanks for sharing Anandtech with me, I had no idea such a thorough reviewer existed.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results
So thanks.
And here's a quick quote from Anandtech
In this test at least, write performance of the HTC 10 is 75% greater than the Samsung MLC UFS solution in the Galaxy S7 due to the use of an SLC write cache. However, sequential reads on the Galaxy S7 are about 35% higher than what they are on the HTC 10.
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It's not that bad.

Quick question, can you set pictures to save to sd card but everything else on internal?

Phil750123 said:
Quick question, can you set pictures to save to sd card but everything else on internal?
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yes you can
theres an option to save to external storage in the default camera app

The one area HTC's been getting flak in the benchmark wars? Storage. HTC opted for a SanDisk part for internal storage, and that part is an eMMC 5.1 chip versus the objectively faster UFS 2.0 found in the Galaxy S7 and LG G5. Testing bears this out - in the Androidbench storage benchmark suite, the HTC 10 is very clearly slower than its rivals from Samsung and LG. Here are my abbreviated results.
Sequential read: 435MB/s (S7), 251MB/s (10), 459MB/s (G5)
Sequential write: 150MB/s (S7), 74MB/s (10), 134MB/s (G5)
Random read: 121MB/s (S7), 32MB/s (10), 88MB/s (G5)
Random write: 17MB/s (S7), 14MB/s (10), 16MB/s (G5)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/0...good-phone-but-one-that-costs-too-much-money/
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I came across this, seems very different then the anandtech one. Would really like to get a clearer picture to the performance of the storage.

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I came across this, seems very different then the anandtech one. Would really like to get a clearer picture to the performance of the storage.
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Looks to me like they're using AndroBench's default settings.
Comparing those to Ars Technica's numbers, looks like Android Authority didn't even bother changing the sequential to 256KB from the default 32768KB...
Anandtech is a website that does objective, thorough testing and for example uses settings in AndroBench that actually reflect how real world applications on Android read or write to/from the NAND.
I'll just leave these here
Hunt3rj2 a.k.a. Joshua Ho from Anandtech said:
I don't enjoy calling out other sites for poor testing methodology but I can at least explain how Ars Technica arrived at those results.
In short, they're using AndroBench's default settings other than changing sequential to 256KB.
The default settings are designed to give a huge advantage to UFS in ways that real apps generally do not.
By default, AndroBench uses 8 IO threads for all of its tests.
This behavior showed up with AndroBench 4 and continues in AndroBench 4.1.
eMMC is half-duplex, and designed for single-threaded IO tasks.
It's not the greatest system, but it is the most common storage in use in Android phones, so applications are going to be designed for eMMC storage instead of the 5 or so phones that are shipping with UFS storage.
Multi-threaded IO actually can negatively affect storage performance with eMMC because of resource contention issues, so in general it's rare to see multi-threaded IO in real apps.
This leads to the results that Ars Technica is seeing.
There's also an element of variability with AndroBench out of the box because the file size is 64MB.
I've found that in the move from AndroBench 3.6 to 4.1 that the test has become far less stable and results can vary significantly from run to run, so I usually take the mode of multiple runs to get a result to report.
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I can confidently say that almost no app developer designs their app based on eMMC or UFS storage. No one cares what kind of storage is in a phone.
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That's fair, but generally speaking it's more difficult to implement multithreading than not. Using 8 threads for IO is going to be a rare situation at best.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/4erulh/htc_10_a_quick_look_at_battery_life_storage/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/htc-10-review-htc-builds-the-best-android-flagship-of-2016/
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results
Here's Anandtech's Galaxy S7 (SD820) numbers
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10120/the-samsung-galaxy-s7-review/3

If the guy in the video isn't speaking English, he probably has the exynos. The video that was posted is also an exynos. It's widely known that the exynos is a beast, but the US variant will have SD 820.

I want to see the speed test that runs an app requiring root on both phones.

Possible to change from 4GB ram to 6GB ram on Pixel 3XL?

I'm a Pixel 3 XL user.
Generally speaking, the phone have been doing pretty great, I really enjoy using it. However, there's one major thing that really makes me feel frustrated, which is the "Ram management".
4GB ram is just not enough for handling multiple background apps running, especially when I open the camera, spotify will always get closed automatically. Therefore, I'm just curious is that possible to remove the 4GB ram and replace it with the 6GB ram, just like someone put the LG V10 4GB ram on a Nexus 5X a few years ago.

Carson Cheung said:
I'm a Pixel 3 XL user.
Generally speaking, the phone have been doing pretty great, I really enjoy using it. However, there's one major thing that really makes me feel frustrated, which is the "Ram management".
4GB ram is just not enough for handling multiple background apps running, especially when I open the camera, spotify will always get closed automatically. Therefore, I'm just curious is that possible to remove the 4GB ram and replace it with the 6GB ram, just like someone put the LG V10 4GB ram on a Nexus 5X a few years ago.
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I doubt whether the RAM on the Pixel 3 can be upgraded. Have you tried the Kirisakura kernel? It has improved memory management compared to stock. As a Pixel 3 owner using this kernel, I have never had application performance issues. Requires ROOT which is less intrusive than changing a memory chip.

swieder711 said:
I doubt whether the RAM on the Pixel 3 can be upgraded. Have you tried the Kirisakura kernel? It has improved memory management compared to stock. As a Pixel 3 owner using this kernel, I have never had application performance issues. Requires ROOT which is less intrusive than changing a memory chip.
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Sounds great! So after installing the Kirisakura kernel, could I still install the OTA monthly security updates like before...? Or I have to wait for the kernel update?