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[Q] Best corner drop protection

So I read all fo the forums and reviews and went through different ones. The thing is, I'm curious about a specific use case - personally, I had bought my N4 3 times over because I'd dropped it (interestingly, twice on the same corner) and I'd have to re-buy the digitizer + glass. I know in this phone the digitizer works even with broken glass (which means I'm hoping that eventually, glass repair will be $40 the way it is for an iPhone) but that said, I'm curious if anyone's got anecdotal or test-based evidence of which case would offer the best hope of protection.
It's more than likely I'll end up cracking it at some point, especially given that it's edge-to-edge (I'm not buying that the glass is so fragile that people are breakign them with carpet drops or placing them on desks or whatever - unless maybe there was a bad badge of glass in the first shipment) - so anything I can do to mitigate it would be a good thing. I loved using my phones without a case but with the advent of edge-to-edge (or potentially future wrap-around) glass as mainstream, I'll have to suck it up. So - what do you guys like best?
--Dan

bfettd said:
So I read all fo the forums and reviews and went through different ones. The thing is, I'm curious about a specific use case - personally, I had bought my N4 3 times over because I'd dropped it (interestingly, twice on the same corner) and I'd have to re-buy the digitizer + glass. I know in this phone the digitizer works even with broken glass (which means I'm hoping that eventually, glass repair will be $40 the way it is for an iPhone) but that said, I'm curious if anyone's got anecdotal or test-based evidence of which case would offer the best hope of protection.
It's more than likely I'll end up cracking it at some point, especially given that it's edge-to-edge (I'm not buying that the glass is so fragile that people are breakign them with carpet drops or placing them on desks or whatever - unless maybe there was a bad badge of glass in the first shipment) - so anything I can do to mitigate it would be a good thing. I loved using my phones without a case but with the advent of edge-to-edge (or potentially future wrap-around) glass as mainstream, I'll have to suck it up. So - what do you guys like best?
--Dan
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Have you seen zedomax's video with the cruzerlite case?
As a new user i cant post a link to the video. Still you should be able to find it without much efforts. Just Youtube "Zedomax cruzerlite".
Cheers. I hope it helped.
I think at least after seeing the video that the cruzerlite(he's probably using the androidified) should be a good one.I'm still without a case as of yet.

[Q] Screen protector in the box?

Hi all,
I absolutely just got my Z1c (didn't even turn it on yet), and the first thing that called my attention is that there is a screen protector on the box... so, a few questions:
1) Does this mean that there is no screen protector already installed on the screen?
2) Is it worth installing it or not? I've read that on the regular Z1, the protector is only for shatter protection, but is actually not scratch resistant... if this is also the case for the Z1c, I guess that I will do without the protector... any other reason to install it?
PS: this baby just arrived after pre-ordering it at Sony Mobile Italia...
Thanks,
Leo.

Put it on, should it ever be scratched it is way easier to replace than the original anti-shatter-film mounted on the display panel. And don't forget to protect the back as well, it's only plastic...
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​i almost forgot about that. was too excited to finally be getting a proper phone to be looking at what was in the box.
if you look up where the notification light is, and hold it against the light in a certain way you should be able to see it. they did a neat job of it. i still dont understand why it is there really. if my screen shatters im not going to be able to use the phone any more. maybe they are worried about glass going all my pocket if i break it. umm thanks sony. how thoughtful of you

Need some advices before buying Z1c

I want to buy second-hand Xperia Z1 Compact because it's price is 50% of new one.
Can anyone tell me some common hardware issues, and something i should pay attention at before I buy this used phone?
And what about that "self cracking screen" problem that many people talks about?
Thanks in advance

I'm not sure about the "self cracking" problem, but the anti shatter film is very weak. It was covered in scratches after two weeks of very gentle care (the back less so, but it had some small scratches). It's easy enough to remove, though, and I replaced mine with a glass screen protector which is way better than the ASF (you could use it just without the ASF, but it feels weird, and if you damage that, you're damaging the real screen). Otherwise, I'd check to make sure the battery still holds a good charge and that the headphone jack works. I haven't had any hardware issues besides the ASF since I got mine.

I bought mine about 3 months ago from ebay also here in the UK and i find it has alot of scratches to the back and some also to the front. I havent yet changed the back but it doesnt look too difficult. The phone does scratch easily though. Regarding the battery life i have found it to be the best battery life i have ever seen on a phone i manage to get a day and half even with heavy use it just goes on and on. I would definetly buy one again or maybe the z3c.

@maclynb if i remove that anti shatter film from screen and put tempered glass protector instead, will level of protection remain the same?
What is actually that anti shatter film?
And will screen work if i put tempered glass protector over film (will that be so thick that screen became unresponsive?)
Sorry for such a noob questions, but i need to know if it will survive my careless way of use (My ex-android Galaxy Ace 2 survived everyday droping on concrete for about two years xD )

I can't be sure if it's as safe on drops, but it feels a lot safer to me (I also put the phone in a case, so I haven't impacted the screen directly yet). The ASF is a sort of rigid screen protector Sony used to put on its phones that scratches quite a bit and can be removed with a knife pretty easily, although it might void any warranty you have (seeing as you're buying used, I doubt it'd be an issue). The screen works great with a tempered glass protector; as good if not better than when I had the ASF on.

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I can't be sure if it's as safe on drops, but it feels a lot safer to me (I also put the phone in a case, so I haven't impacted the screen directly yet). The ASF is a sort of rigid screen protector Sony used to put on its phones that scratches quite a bit and can be removed with a knife pretty easily, although it might void any warranty you have (seeing as you're buying used, I doubt it'd be an issue). The screen works great with a tempered glass protector; as good if not better than when I had the ASF on.
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And what color do you recommend?
I can choose between white, black and green... And can't decide :/

I can't speak to more than the one I own, but the yellow-green color is quite nice. Otherwise, the black is going to give you good compatibility between cases (neutral color cases don't clash with black).

maclynb said:
I can't speak to more than the one I own, but the yellow-green color is quite nice. Otherwise, the black is going to give you good compatibility between cases (neutral color cases don't clash with black).
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btw, how's battery life on lolipop?
mine (i mean, device i want to buy) is a year old, and i dont know it's battery life and how much battery is weak after a year of usage...

Maybe about 25-30 hours on CM12.1? I was getting very good (35-40) battery on stock, but it started degrading in terms of performance so I switched to CM. When it's working well, it's more than enough on moderate usage, although I wouldn't expect more than 4-5 hours on intense screen on time.

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Maybe about 25-30 hours on CM12.1? I was getting very good (35-40) battery on stock, but it started degrading in terms of performance so I switched to CM. When it's working well, it's more than enough on moderate usage, although I wouldn't expect more than 4-5 hours on intense screen on time.
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i will then stick to stock-based one... my previous phone had 5 hours of screen time and it was so frustrating, because i need phone with minimum 7 hours of SOT

soko3 said:
i will then stick to stock-based one... my previous phone had 5 hours of screen time and it was so frustrating, because i need phone with minimum 7 hours of SOT
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If you want such a good SOT, you will need to run KitKat with custom kernel. Lollipop on almost all phone does battery draining.

Back glass

In Google's launch day blog post, it stated that both the front display and the back glass are constructed from 2.5D Corning® Gorilla® Glass 4.
There seems to be a large number of people who have received their devices complaining that the back glass scratches surprisingly easily, and a number of reviews (both written and video) cite the same, such as shown in JerryRigEverything's video review at 1:44.
This has me concerned that we're not actually getting Gorilla Glass 4 for the back glass, or if we are, it may be a defective batch. I'll be the first to proclaim my lack of knowledge on the stuff, but shouldn't the actual hardness, i.e. resistance to scratching, be the same regardless of shape, thickness, etc? I could easily understand a difference in brittleness if it is thinner, for example, but these reports have me concerned.
Any thoughts?

well i case my phones right away and have never had any scratches on the back of my phones .... jump to today i too my pixel out of my otterbox defender case to return the case for a slightly thinner case and guess what the back glass has a scratch in it that wasn't there before it went in, i checked the inside of the case and couldnt find anything that would have done that. not a big deal since its going back in a case but im a little ocd so it does bother me a bit that its there

Yeah I had heard the same thing in some reviews.
I can tell you first hand that it does seem to mark easily. I have two fine hairline scratches on the back on min. I assume from keys in my pocket.
I have been using it without a case because I can't seem to find one I like. They all seem too bulky.
My front glass also has a tiny mark on it, from a key I assume. My Note 7 had the same thing within days as well. First time in the last several phones that have gotten scratches in the glass. I either have a really hard and sharp new key or the properties of the glass has changed. I know that impact resistant does not mean scratch resistant. Take a look at the Moto Z force to find that out! For what it is worth I do not think you are alone.

I understand that scratch-resistant ≠ scratch-proof, but for those who prefer to carry a phone naked (I'm talking about the phone!) it would be a pretty big letdown to find out Google didn't provide the product as it advertised it, whether it be failure on part of someone responsible for final production spec letting the marketing group know if there were a change in the glass, an issue of Corning sending the wrong glass, a defective production run, etc.
I suppose my concern is that if there is, as there appears to be, some legitimate issue, they 'fix' it with later production runs and ship the phone with glass to spec going forward, with my only recourse being to deal with it or maybe have them replace it with what would likely be a refurbished phone, either event seriously deteriorating the phone's residual value down the road should I choose to sell it.

Just putting it out there, I have Google Clear cased my phone from new, and I a few small marks now. Assume it's bits caught in the case.

jp712 said:
Yeah I had heard the same thing in some reviews.
I can tell you first hand that it does seem to mark easily. I have two fine hairline scratches on the back on min. I assume from keys in my pocket.
I have been using it without a case because I can't seem to find one I like. They all seem too bulky.
My front glass also has a tiny mark on it, from a key I assume. My Note 7 had the same thing within days as well. First time in the last several phones that have gotten scratches in the glass. I either have a really hard and sharp new key or the properties of the glass has changed. I know that impact resistant does not mean scratch resistant. Take a look at the Moto Z force to find that out! For what it is worth I do not think you are alone.
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I cringed twice while reading this. I too carry my phone in my left pocket, which is exclusive. I don't even stick my hand into the pocket if my hand is dirty. I also don't wipe off the screen on my shirt. Sand is a killer!
Also on that note higher number Corning Gorilla glass doesn't necessarily mean it's "better" more resistant..

jeremy8000 said:
I understand that scratch-resistant ≠ scratch-proof, but for those who prefer to carry a phone naked (I'm talking about the phone!) it would be a pretty big letdown to find out Google didn't provide the product as it advertised it, whether it be failure on part of someone responsible for final production spec letting the marketing group know if there were a change in the glass, an issue of Corning sending the wrong glass, a defective production run, etc.
I suppose my concern is that if there is, as there appears to be, some legitimate issue, they 'fix' it with later production runs and ship the phone with glass to spec going forward, with my only recourse being to deal with it or maybe have them replace it with what would likely be a refurbished phone, either event seriously deteriorating the phone's residual value down the road should I choose to sell it.
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I completely agree with you. I had hoped to carry the phone without a case since it was't as slippery as the all glass Samsung.
I usually keep it in its own pocket but not a particular one, its a product of having your hands full put the keys in the same pocket long enough to walk to the door. I try to keep it separate, but screw it up from time to time. Like with gym shorts, does it go with the magnetic money clip or the keys? Keys don't go with the magnet bc I don't want to kill the battery in my truck remote.. Talk about 1st world problems

jp712 said:
I completely agree with you. I had hoped to carry the phone without a case since it was't as slippery as the all glass Samsung.
I usually keep it in its own pocket but not a particular one, its a product of having your hands full put the keys in the same pocket long enough to walk to the door. I try to keep it separate, but screw it up from time to time. Like with gym shorts, does it go with the magnetic money clip or the keys? Keys don't go with the magnet bc I don't want to kill the battery in my truck remote.. Talk about 1st world problems
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I don't think magnets mess with batteries but if that were true the magnet would mess with your phone's battery plus its internal components

Question The inner screen protector

So been looking for an answer to this wondering questions for awhile now, basically can i add a screen protector on top of the already existing one installed by Samsung, or do i have to remove before installing another one, and let's assume i can install a new one on top of the one installed already, when removing the one that i placed will it cause the screen protector that was installed by Samsung to peel or you know 10.0.0.0.1 192.168.1.254?

Haven't heard of people putting another screen protector on top of the factory one. I had to have the original replaced about two weeks ago from Asurion. The girl really didn't do a good job because there a few specs of dust and bubbles underneath but she told me prior that it wouldn't be as great as the one from Samsung. Mine had come up all down the crease, replaced under warranty. I ordered the ZFold4 so it will be going back in trade-in. I would think having two screen protectors, might have to press more on the screen to use it.

Don't. Putting one on top of the sucky one that comes from the factory will do NOTHING. As soon as the inner one starts peeling, anything on top of it will peel too. Not to mention that you can ruin your inner screen with the extra bulk.
NEVER, no matter what kind of phone, folding or not, so NOT NOT NOT stack screen protectors on top of one another.

bakarnoma said:
So been looking for an answer to this wondering questions for awhile now, basically can i add a screen protector on top of the already existing one installed by Samsung, or do i have to remove before installing another one, and let's assume i can install a new one on top of the one installed already, when removing the one that i placed will it cause the screen protector that was installed by Samsung to peel or you know ?
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I would suggest to never ever do that. I guess, it is called a "Screen" Protector for a reason - to protect the screen and definitely not a protector. Also with folding screens, even the minutest addition of thickness into the folding region will ruin/damage the screen forever.
Had a very bad experience while I was using a Moto Razr 5G last year where in I added a membrane/film screen protector (on the inner folding screen directly of-course not on a protector ). It was a little thicker than usual protectors and this eventually damage the screen at the folding region. No better teacher than a bad experience, so please don't.

bakarnoma said:
So been looking for an answer to this wondering questions for awhile now, basically can i add a screen protector on top of the already existing one installed by Samsung, or do i have to remove before installing another one, and let's assume i can install a new one on top of the one installed already, when removing the one that i placed will it cause the screen protector that was installed by Samsung to peel or you know ?
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Damm. Believe me or no i just asked the same question on fold 4 forums lol. Case my fokd 3 factory protector oleophobic coating got weared off in first 3 months its self and it felt rough to touching or scrolling. So this time i want install a new one on top of factory one so that i can change it every 4 months or so. But after reading all these replies i worried to do it now. Such a bummer

bakarnoma said:
do i have to remove before installing another one
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No No NO. don't do that! do you remember the z fold there it was a peelable screen protector they thought? It completely destroyed the whole phone/tablet! And I feel like something has to happen badly if you put another one on...

YES YES and YES. You CAN and SHOULD remove the old peeling screen protector. No harm will happened to your phone screen if you remove it, but if you leave it and some sand grains or dust will catch between the screen and protector, you will have scratches for sure.

i thought u couldnt.

Evie103818 said:
i thought u couldnt.
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Okay, this is a mess of a subject. You are going to read a LOT of posts where people say that Samsung Reps told them that removing the inner screen protector voids the warranty. This may have been the case with the Fold 1, but not anything after that. If you read the fine print... nowhere, does it state that removing the factory installed protector voids the warranty, and if it does, please show me.
I left mine on for months before it started bubbling and peeling. I went and removed it and installed the White Stone Dome PET Film (under $20 USD on Amazon) and it feels just as good as the original and has lasted MUCH longer than the original.
If removing this inner protector voids the warranty, then why can we remove them off ANY OTHER PHONE and install one we like without issue?

Idk

Talderon said:
Okay, this is a mess of a subject. You are going to read a LOT of posts where people say that Samsung Reps told them that removing the inner screen protector voids the warranty. This may have been the case with the Fold 1, but not anything after that. If you read the fine print... nowhere, does it state that removing the factory installed protector voids the warranty, and if it does, please show me.
I left mine on for months before it started bubbling and peeling. I went and removed it and installed the White Stone Dome PET Film (under $20 USD on Amazon) and it feels just as good as the original and has lasted MUCH longer than the original.
If removing this inner protector voids the warranty, then why can we remove them off ANY OTHER PHONE and install one we like without issue?
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I was told by Samsung customer care that removing the inner protector does not void the warranty. It is our risk - but it doesn't void a warranty claim. It does increase our own risk of screen damage, which isn't covered by warranty by default. I have a transcript of the online chat.

m_w_clarke said:
I was told by Samsung customer care that removing the inner protector does not void the warranty. It is our risk - but it doesn't void a warranty claim. It does increase our own risk of screen damage, which isn't covered by warranty by default. I have a transcript of the online chat.
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OH ok. I like seeing the progress even I don't have the phone.

I rang samsung support and they said removing the screen protector does NOT void the warranty but if you cause any damage to the display while trying then that's not covered....

tigsandmitch said:
I rang samsung support and they said removing the screen protector does NOT void the warranty but if you cause any damage to the display while trying then that's not covered....
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The adhesive on the factory screen protector is so bad that it's not hard to pull off the inner screen. Especially once it starts to peel anyway.
However, do take care and don't just rip it off like band-aid. Just be mindful and take your time. This isn't a rigid glass screen like we are used too. As stated above, taking it off does not void the warranty, but damaging the screen while doing so does.

If you need to add new screen protector, then remove the old one.