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It is funny how everyone worried about...

the amoled screen eligibility under direct sunlight...but almost nobody said anything about it after we get our phones...at full brightness, I can see so damn clear everything on my screen...looking at the screen while taking picture while under the sun was trouble free...it is clear! so anyone got complaints of the desire screen under direct sunlight?
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Nope. The auto brightness is great. No trouble seeing anything on the screen.

That's a very good point, I've been using it outdoors and could see it perfectly!

so why go super amoled when amoled is enough? I mean they made super amoled to also curb the sunlight eligibility problem but after using my desire, I say "what problem are u talking about?" ...I was using a Samsung innov8 before and it was so much worse which is wat I call, looking at myself on the screen under direct sunlight....
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Perhaps it has been extra sunny recently, but even on full brightness I find it hard to see much detail on the screen

it's definitely harder to see in sunlight than an LCD screen (for example the iPhone's screen)
Desire screen maximum brightness: 229 cd/m2
iPhone screen maximum brightness: 428 cd/m2
The Desire display is also "glossier" than the iPhone's:
Desire screen reflectance of ambient light: 15.5 percent
iPhone screen reflectance of ambient light: 9.2 percent
Theres no question about it really, it's much harder to see in sunshine. (But the price is worth paying IMO)

I've had a couple of times I've needed to hold the phone at a bit of an angle to see some text properly, but it's not really been much more of an issue than LCDs on phones I've had in the past.

Blimey, I see night and day difference. The amoled screen in bright sunshine is pretty useless. Amazing indoors, perhaps equal in the shade, but something needs to be done for proper sunshine .

It does seem brighter when taking photos (in sunlight) than viewing apps

In my opinion, I think it IS harder to see in sunlight but it's not impossible and it's certainly not as bad as sites like engadget were making out.

I took my touch hd (lcd) and desire for a walk in typical extra sunny italian day, at 1PM: they both are hard to see if tilted so that the screen reflect the sky, they both have the same degree of reflection.
It's not impossible to see stuff but it is hard, by titling the phone so that it basically reflects your face it becomes quite bearable. Perhaps the desire can show a bit more detail if using black and white screens because of the higher contrast.
Regarding the previous comment about LCD being better than AMOLED in sunlight, I partly doubt it, since you used an iPhone as comparison which is well known to have a particularly bright and readable LCD screen (can't remember the technology now) basically like super-amoled stands to normal amoled.
I would have gladly taken super-amoled if it came on the desire even if it made the price a bit higher, that said the screen is so superb in normal conditions that I really can't complain...

get an anti glare screen protector but no more phone mirror if you do ofcourse
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not trying to be ignorant, but have you guys tried full brightness on the setting for the desire screen and go under sunlight?
i did some typing(well normal use test), and i can see the screen clearly actually...maybe i have bionic eyes

Yes have done and still find it relatively dim to see. Worse say that a camera LCD screen.

Desire IMHO already fares much better compared to Nexus One because the Light sensor is less prone to fluctuations, maybe at the expense of a little more battery juice but at least I am going ape-crazy with a glary reflection + incorrect screen brightness like on N1.
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I have hd2 and desire side by side, and desire is slightly less readable on direct sunlight.
But it is perfectly readable, there is no room for panic.

I have seen HD2 under sun, and it's far from perfectly readable. Actually, my Kaiser is better, and I am not happy how it looks under sun, so if Desire is even less bright I don't see how it can be good.
So far iPhone is really good under sun, every other phone is just more or less bad.

There was a video on youtube where they've put some 8-10 phones together on a table outside in a sunny day and the camera would sweep over them to see the degree of reflection and readability. It wasn't very accurate because it took some phones more tilted than others but it showed pretty clearly that the desire wasn't very different than most and that the iphone was quite better than the rest.
There is another video which compared super-amoled samsung to an iphone in direct sunlight and in that comparison the iphone seemed poor.
Cranking the brightness up to max I think doesn't have much difference than leaving the light sensor on, especially here in Italy where sun is quite strong. I've also done some comparisons and didn't see much difference.
Last thing: I have a Martin Fields screen protector on my touch hd and a cheap one on my desire and they both work equally well, so I really can't see the 13€ difference

I've never had a peroblem viewing the screen. My previous handset (Samsung i8910) also had an amoled screen and I didn't have any problems viewing the screen on that handset either.

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the amoled screen eligibility under direct sunlight...but almost nobody said anything about it after we get our phones...at full brightness, I can see so damn clear everything on my screen...looking at the screen while taking picture while under the sun was trouble free...it is clear! so anyone got complaints of the desire screen under direct sunlight?
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auto brightness is good enough for me :]

Outdoor brightness

What is the screen like outdoors?
I find the S3 very hard to use outdoors even with brightness on max. I'd read a lot of people saying this before I bought it but couldn't believe how bad it actually was.

That's always been and issue with Samsung displays.
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YMMV, but I'm pretty happy with it.
I have been doing hikes lately, and using my phone to hold the trail map and gps with google maps.
I don't recall any problems at all.
- Frank

I don't have a problem with outdoor brightness either.

No probs here too. Even when set to minimum with auto ticked, in bright daylight, the display is very clear and bright.
Cheers!!!

Are any of you old S3 users?
It sounds more positive at least.

My Note 2 has a matt screen protector which makes viewing it outside much easier as there is significantly less reflection.
I tried using my friends SIII with just the stock screen and it was like looking at a mirror, so much reflection that using it was impossible.
I should point out that I was sitting by the pool in Bangkok where the sun is extreme
Depending on the intensity of the sun wherever you are, your experience may be different.

Note's display is brighter than the S3 display by specs.

Washed Out Screen Color?

I'm writing to see if anyone here might have the same issue I'm having with my Note 4.
When it's bright outside, sometimes, the screen not only amps up the brightness, but for some reason all the colors on the screen appear really washed out. Facebook's logo is now neon blue, Evernote is like a pale lime, etc. All the colors are horribly ugly. If I open an app, or the drawer, the screen goes back to normal color, still bright though.
This ONLY happens (thus far) when I've turned the phone on while being in direct sunlight.
If I manually turn my brightness level ALL the way up, the colors still appear fine, I can't make the screen wash the colors out like that manually (not with brightness levels or adaptive display modes).
This also doesn't happen every time I wake the phone up while in direct sunlight, but about 50% of the time.
So, anyone else have this problem? Is it normal, or should I try to get a replacement? Course, since I can't replicate it on demand that will be a PITA.
Thanks

Happens to me as well. I even went to far as to disable the "dynamic screen adjustment" or whatever it is, and it still happens. Just like you said, only in direct sunlight.

It's too make the screen more viewable in direct sunlight.

washing out the colors is normal in order for the phone to be bright enough to see in direct sunlight. I, for one, love that they did this because i can see the screen perfectly in bright sunlight.

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washing out the colors is normal in order for the phone to be bright enough to see in direct sunlight. I, for one, love that they did this because i can see the screen perfectly in bright sunlight.
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I'm with you on this one, I think it's an awesome function. Heck when I found out it did I was showing everyone lol I have noticed that it's only sunlight cuz I tried using my note 3 flash light to do the same thing but to no avail.
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Yes if you have your note 4 set to auto brightness, in direct sunlight the phones backlight will push the brightness all the way up to 750nits of brightness. It will wash out the colors, but it makes the screen very visible in direct sunlight. I personally love the feature, no need to cover your hand over your phone to see a text message or something else anymore. If you don't like, like myself, I manual adjust brightness myself. Half brightness is plenty bright for any other time of the day.

This happened to me yesterday and I thought my phone was going bad. It was a wtf moment for sure. Glad to know it's a feature and not an issue with the screen. I turned the screen off then on and it went away (might have been walking indoors).

I had this happen in the day time while I was in the car multiple times, so I just turned off the automatic brightness, solved my issue.

This is the first phone that has ever been bright enough for me to read books with in the noon day sun. So I'm loving this feature bigtime. I think the automatic feature could use some fine tuning because indoors it dims the brightness too much for me but otherwise... loving it.

Freaked me out the first time it did that to me outside, but quickly realized it was on purpose to make it more viewable since it was so bright outside. Love that feature tho

nyydynasty said:
washing out the colors is normal in order for the phone to be bright enough to see in direct sunlight. I, for one, love that they did this because i can see the screen perfectly in bright sunlight.
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I love that they did this. 1st phone I've had that I can easily see the screen in direct bright sunlight. Good job Samsung.

I was shocked when I first saw it this morning... then did a google which led me here... thank God it aint faulty...

I was shocked when I first saw it this morning... then did a google which led me here... thank God it aint faulty...

I think I have this issue but idk. Dark pictures on my screen show horrible and like blocky when there's blacks. The Samsung boot screen has a yellowish greenish tint to it. My colors look washed but it isn't horrible just the dark colors and blacks get to me

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I think I have this issue but idk. Dark pictures on my screen show horrible and like blocky when there's blacks. The Samsung boot screen has a yellowish greenish tint to it. My colors look washed but it isn't horrible just the dark colors and blacks get to me
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For example this is how my blacks show

weird problem

I don't know if this is some kind of new thing to make the screen easier to see in sunlight, but every time my phone is exposed to full sunlight the screen goes super high contrast, now I know the back light goes full brightness to help viewing the screen in full sunlight, but this is totally different, it only happens when the sensor is exposed to the sun, anyone else noticed this, or do I have a faulty auto brightness sensor, super high contrast, turns my fb messenger blue color a light blue etc etc.

yep it's normal. does it to make it easier to see. only works on auto brightness mode.
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Nevermind, it's normal lol found a review mentioning it! Moderator delete this thread!

Considering a return because of the ambient screen :(

It's a shame really, since I love EVERYTHING else about this watch - good price, snappy processor, GPS, WiFi (not even sure what that will bring eventually), NFC.
But with this thing serving primarily as a watch on my wrist, I just can't stand the ambient screen. From pretty much any angle it is a low-contrast, mustard-y yellow.
I'm looking at the LG R watch now. It's $50 more, and is missing a bunch of features, but the screen is GREAT. :'-(
I really wanted to like this watch! Please XDA, talk me into keeping it!!

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loneBoat said:
It's a shame really, since I love EVERYTHING else about this watch - good price, snappy processor, GPS, WiFi (not even sure what that will bring eventually), NFC.
But with this thing serving primarily as a watch on my wrist, I just can't stand the ambient screen. From pretty much any angle it is a low-contrast, mustard-y yellow.
I'm looking at the LG R watch now. It's $50 more, and is missing a bunch of features, but the screen is GREAT. :'-(
I really wanted to like this watch! Please XDA, talk me into keeping it!!
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The LG P-OLED screen can burn in... Otherwise I possibly had bought it aswell.
I love the sw3 and especially the ambient mode screen and GPS. Its looks like a compromise between a e-ink and LCD..
But maybe it's a kind of different tastes.
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The LG P-OLED screen can burn in... Otherwise I possibly had bought it aswell
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Good point about the burn-in. I just searched over on the LG R watch forums and there's some horror stories of burn-in after just a week. :-o That may be a deal-breaker for me.
Hah! You may have talked me into staying on SW3 just as I requested - thanks! :highfive:

It's a garbage screen on a first-gen looking product. I returned mine for the same reason.

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It's a garbage screen on a first-gen looking product. I returned mine for the same reason.
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I haven't gotten mine yet but have played with it in store. I wouldn't say it's garbage. Is it on par with other android wear devices? Probably not. However, just as another user stated above, its sort of a mix between e ink and color. It seems to be helping to deliver great battery life with it too. Also, with the update it seems you guys can turn off the feature of activating the screen arm movement. So with this screen you can leave it on always on mode and still be able to see the screen without killing battery. All the android wear devices are first gen tech, but the Sony SW 3 still offers so much more than any of the other watches. For that, I can certainly deal with the screen negatives. Even though it does offer positives so its not completely bad, therefore back to my point that I wouldn't call it garbage.

I like the screen...in my office or while outdoor, I can look at it at any time and almost any angle and can see the time w/o artifiially tilting my arm, or pressing a button. The screen is always on and I get easly 2 days...that is worth a lot to me. My 2 cents....

No matter how you look at it the pro's outweigh the con's.And if you can't live with then just return it and I'll keep mine.

techrider6262 said:
No matter how you look at it the pro's outweigh the con's.And if you can't live with then just return it and I'll keep mine.
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+1 :good:
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The LG P-OLED screen can burn in... Otherwise I possibly had bought it aswell.
I love the sw3 and especially the ambient mode screen and GPS. Its looks like a compromise between a e-ink and LCD..
But maybe it's a kind of different tastes.
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Good point. It's a major flaw of OLED screen. SW3's transflective screen is the perfect choice for ambient mode. It's more readable in bright sunlight. Honestly, transflective LCD is born for outside activities.
I got my first SW3. The screen is too yellow with a small dark spot at the bottom of the screen. I returned it immediately and now the 2nd one is really good.

I disagree. Try taking your smartphone and let the sun shine on the screen (or a bright lamp) and lower the brightness. The whites and blacks will be very similar in color to the SW3's screen. I'm currently using the Odyssey watchface and sometimes it takes a while for the full watchface to turn on so I get the opportunity to seen the ambient screen with the backlight on. Whites are white on it. What I would like is for the ambient light sensor to turn on the backlight at minimal brightness in low light conditions.

my device is very white. It is of course no OLED screen that are over saturated mostly but i definetly see no yellow tint there on white (maybe a really tiny bit more yellowish but really nothing i notice at all in normal use).
And having the watch always on is such a huge + in my opinion. Yes you can't see the screen in low light situations. But honestly.
People are never happy. When the backlight would be always on some people would complain that the watch is always making light in the dark.
(which would annoy me probably more)
If you want correctly displayed colors you would need to calibrate your screens.
Who does that for home usage here?

It's definitely not first gen. I had first gen smartwatch from Sony, this one is ten times better

I would like the option for a low backlight on low light (current low backlight settings are too bright to begin with). I suppose that's what custom ROMs/root apps are for.

I like it on mine. The default faces are pretty bad on it in ambient mode, but I built ones for it on Facer that make it really easy to read.

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I would like the option for a low backlight on low light (current low backlight settings are too bright to begin with). I suppose that's what custom ROMs/root apps are for.
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I'm not sure if you had something like this in mind ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=57615301 ) ...but I'm using this app and it lets me lower the brightness down to where it's much more comfortable for using my watch in bed at night. The developer is letting us try it out for free until 12/21... but I went ahead and bought it for a buck from the Play Store.

Grown to love ambient mode, except for complete darkness I can read the watch fine.
I have a Gear Live, try to go out in the sun and read the time, this watch no problem.
I purchased Facer, made myself a digital watch face with huge numbers that makes the watch even more visible in direct sun

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I disagree. Try taking your smartphone and let the sun shine on the screen (or a bright lamp) and lower the brightness. The whites and blacks will be very similar in color to the SW3's screen. I'm currently using the Odyssey watchface and sometimes it takes a while for the full watchface to turn on so I get the opportunity to seen the ambient screen with the backlight on. Whites are white on it. What I would like is for the ambient light sensor to turn on the backlight at minimal brightness in low light conditions.
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Agreed! I live in Florida (the sunshine state) and spend lots of time outdoors. Our days are long, it's almost always sunny, and the sun is INTENSE! I got this watch specifically because of this display. Try reading an OLED display outdoors in Florida sun. Even my Note4 with its high-brightness outdoor mode is barely readable. Yet my SW3 is clear as day, with or without the backlight. Yes, it definitely doesn't look as pretty indoors as the OLED screens, but for my use its perfect. Not like I'm watching movies on it or anything. I'm glad Sony decided to carry over the transflective tech from the SW2...it was a bold move but it's one of the things that sets this product apart. If you don't like it, there are plenty of competing products on the market.
I just wish there was a way to disable the backlight under any ambient light conditions, like my SW2. One of the firmware updates for the SW2 introduced a smarter backlight that stayed off, even when in use, when there was enough ambient light, like outdoors. While it makes no difference in appearance, it helps conserve battery.

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Good point. It's a major flaw of OLED screen. SW3's transflective screen is the perfect choice for ambient mode. It's more readable in bright sunlight. Honestly, transflective LCD is born for outside activities.
I got my first SW3. The screen is too yellow with a small dark spot at the bottom of the screen. I returned it immediately and now the 2nd one is really good.
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Transflective screens are also installed on all Garmin outdoor standalone GPS: if you want a well readable screen on EVERY situation you need a transfective.... NOT a AMOLED.
Amoled is much contrasted and wonderful on artificial light or on low natural light, but is a pain during summer outdoor activity (and need maximum power consumption to be barely readable)

heavyhms said:
Transflective screens are also installed on all Garmin outdoor standalone GPS: if you want a well readable screen on EVERY situation you need a transfective.... NOT a AMOLED.
Amoled is much contrasted and wonderful on artificial light or on low natural light, but is a pain during summer outdoor activity (and need maximum power consumption to be barely readable)
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The transflective display is one of the big selling points of this watch if you ask me. It's visible in pretty much any light except very low. I don't have to turn the backlight on to see it (saves battery) and it's viewable in direct sunlight. This is a huge plus for anyone taking this thing out for runs or bike rides. I'm a long distance runner and use this watch exclusively for tracking and music, it works great!

The screen on the Sony Smartwatch 3 is the best, hands the fak down!! Always on and viewable, just as watch suppose to be.
Its comical sporting a watch thats turned off until you put it up in front of your grill to turn ON...gayness to the fullest.