the amoled screen eligibility under direct sunlight...but almost nobody said anything about it after we get our phones...at full brightness, I can see so damn clear everything on my screen...looking at the screen while taking picture while under the sun was trouble free...it is clear! so anyone got complaints of the desire screen under direct sunlight?
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Nope. The auto brightness is great. No trouble seeing anything on the screen.
That's a very good point, I've been using it outdoors and could see it perfectly!
so why go super amoled when amoled is enough? I mean they made super amoled to also curb the sunlight eligibility problem but after using my desire, I say "what problem are u talking about?" ...I was using a Samsung innov8 before and it was so much worse which is wat I call, looking at myself on the screen under direct sunlight....
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Perhaps it has been extra sunny recently, but even on full brightness I find it hard to see much detail on the screen
it's definitely harder to see in sunlight than an LCD screen (for example the iPhone's screen)
Desire screen maximum brightness: 229 cd/m2
iPhone screen maximum brightness: 428 cd/m2
The Desire display is also "glossier" than the iPhone's:
Desire screen reflectance of ambient light: 15.5 percent
iPhone screen reflectance of ambient light: 9.2 percent
Theres no question about it really, it's much harder to see in sunshine. (But the price is worth paying IMO)
I've had a couple of times I've needed to hold the phone at a bit of an angle to see some text properly, but it's not really been much more of an issue than LCDs on phones I've had in the past.
Blimey, I see night and day difference. The amoled screen in bright sunshine is pretty useless. Amazing indoors, perhaps equal in the shade, but something needs to be done for proper sunshine .
It does seem brighter when taking photos (in sunlight) than viewing apps
In my opinion, I think it IS harder to see in sunlight but it's not impossible and it's certainly not as bad as sites like engadget were making out.
I took my touch hd (lcd) and desire for a walk in typical extra sunny italian day, at 1PM: they both are hard to see if tilted so that the screen reflect the sky, they both have the same degree of reflection.
It's not impossible to see stuff but it is hard, by titling the phone so that it basically reflects your face it becomes quite bearable. Perhaps the desire can show a bit more detail if using black and white screens because of the higher contrast.
Regarding the previous comment about LCD being better than AMOLED in sunlight, I partly doubt it, since you used an iPhone as comparison which is well known to have a particularly bright and readable LCD screen (can't remember the technology now) basically like super-amoled stands to normal amoled.
I would have gladly taken super-amoled if it came on the desire even if it made the price a bit higher, that said the screen is so superb in normal conditions that I really can't complain...
get an anti glare screen protector but no more phone mirror if you do ofcourse
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not trying to be ignorant, but have you guys tried full brightness on the setting for the desire screen and go under sunlight?
i did some typing(well normal use test), and i can see the screen clearly actually...maybe i have bionic eyes
Yes have done and still find it relatively dim to see. Worse say that a camera LCD screen.
Desire IMHO already fares much better compared to Nexus One because the Light sensor is less prone to fluctuations, maybe at the expense of a little more battery juice but at least I am going ape-crazy with a glary reflection + incorrect screen brightness like on N1.
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I have hd2 and desire side by side, and desire is slightly less readable on direct sunlight.
But it is perfectly readable, there is no room for panic.
I have seen HD2 under sun, and it's far from perfectly readable. Actually, my Kaiser is better, and I am not happy how it looks under sun, so if Desire is even less bright I don't see how it can be good.
So far iPhone is really good under sun, every other phone is just more or less bad.
There was a video on youtube where they've put some 8-10 phones together on a table outside in a sunny day and the camera would sweep over them to see the degree of reflection and readability. It wasn't very accurate because it took some phones more tilted than others but it showed pretty clearly that the desire wasn't very different than most and that the iphone was quite better than the rest.
There is another video which compared super-amoled samsung to an iphone in direct sunlight and in that comparison the iphone seemed poor.
Cranking the brightness up to max I think doesn't have much difference than leaving the light sensor on, especially here in Italy where sun is quite strong. I've also done some comparisons and didn't see much difference.
Last thing: I have a Martin Fields screen protector on my touch hd and a cheap one on my desire and they both work equally well, so I really can't see the 13€ difference
I've never had a peroblem viewing the screen. My previous handset (Samsung i8910) also had an amoled screen and I didn't have any problems viewing the screen on that handset either.
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the amoled screen eligibility under direct sunlight...but almost nobody said anything about it after we get our phones...at full brightness, I can see so damn clear everything on my screen...looking at the screen while taking picture while under the sun was trouble free...it is clear! so anyone got complaints of the desire screen under direct sunlight?
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auto brightness is good enough for me :]
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I did not see anywhere with this information. I would like to know if it is easy to see outdoors. This has been a problem for some devices and I thought that AMOLED was going to be better at this so I am surprised that this is TFT.
Thanks in advance to those lucky enough to have one.
Zar
Actually, it is the opposite. The TFT LCD screen is easier to see in sunlight than the AMOLED. The HTC Incredible is very bad in the sunlight. My iPhone with it's LCD was perfecftly readable in direct sunlight and I suspect the Evo will be as well.
with brightness on full, i am able to read it in direct sunlight, but it's kind of hard to see.
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Actually, it is the opposite. The TFT LCD screen is easier to see in sunlight than the AMOLED. The HTC Incredible is very bad in the sunlight. My iPhone with it's LCD was perfecftly readable in direct sunlight and I suspect the Evo will be as well.
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Not necessarily, your iphone has a transflective like display, making it superior for outdoor view-ability. Most LCDs are not transflective/similar. I have a similar post asking the same general question here:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=693013 if you watch the video from 2:20 on, you will see the iphone in general is 100x better than most LCD and OLED screens currently being used. But what the Evo has I don't know.
Thanks
Thanks for answering my question and the additional info regarding Transreflectinve LCD's.
All in all, I don't think that this will prevent me from getting one. My current WinMo phone already has this problem.
Regards,
Zar
i love HTC but all their device are horrible in sunlight including the SUPERSONIC.u'll c when u get one.
I had it in bright sunlight the other day. It is definitely not bright like inside, but definitely readable (way better than my old Tilt). But you do still have to deal with glare on that super shiny screen, so adjusting the angle a little may be necessary sometimes.
I'm sure similar questions have been asked already but I find myself in a fairly unique position whereby my old phone was SLCD and Three UK replaced it with an AMOLED Desire under warranty. I can now either keep this one or complain and get it replaced. Which would be the better option in this scenario?
Thanks
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Depends on you, AMOLEDS draw approx 3x more power when displaying white pixels, has a higher chance of getting a burn-in, but they use virtually no power when displaying black/ dark colours. SLCDs performs better under sunlight when compared to AMOLEDs, and they don't use Pentile matrix.
I would never do it... Images looks more beautiful on the AMOLED, believe me...
unnddd said:
I'm sure similar questionable have been asked already but I find myself in a fairly unique position whereby my old phone was SLCD and Three UK replaced it with an AMOLED Desire under warranty. I can now either keep this one or complain and get it replaced. Which would be the better option in this scenario?
Thanks
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Since you live in the UK where there is not much bright sunlight, you may as well stick with the AMOLED.
Engadget recently did a comparison of the SLCD and AMOLED desires and the AMOLED one came out with the better battery life. If I had both in my hands I would just pick the one which has the most honest colours.
The colours aren't really of much concern. There seems to be a slight pinkish tint on the AMOLED but it really isn't that bad. Nor do I care about seeing it in sunlight (I live in the UK). The only thing that slightly bothers me is the fuzzy text, but since I don't have them both side by side I can't do a proper comparison. What do others think of the layout of the pixels on the AMOLED display as compared with the SLCD?
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Having held them both side by side today I would still pick the amoled, the low black levels make for am immense movie watching and e- reading experience ( white text on a black background is really restful foot the eyes to read) the only time text trading is a problem is the SMALLEST red text on a black screen, so hardly ever!
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Having held them both side by side today I would still pick the amoled, the low black levels make for am immense movie watching and e- reading experience ( white text on a black background is really restful foot the eyes to read) the only time text trading is a problem is the SMALLEST red text on a black screen, so hardly ever!
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Hmm... I guess I'll just go to a Three store tomorrow and compare for myself. I'm very picky about this sort of thing and I don't want to have a phone I'm not happy with for the next 1 1/2 years or so. In a way I could be considered lucky being able to pick, but I find it's usually more of a misfortune in my case.
Anyway, thanks for the help.
how many have devices like this? It doesnt seem to disappear on mine until about half brightness up.. and even there i can slightly tell. is this a problem on most phones or only some? Also with light usage i'm losing over 10% per hour, doesnt seem right at all
All AMOLED screens have that issue at low brightness, it just varies from phone to phone. Give it a few charge cycles before you start looking at the battery. The battery on my Nexus drained extremely quickly when I first got it but it's been lasting longer and longer with each passing day (3 so far)
My screen is the same, you need to be at half brightness to get a decent image. Auto brightness in full darkness makes you think that the screen is totally broken.
yours has like bands of a different shade too? mine has one thick one on the right of the screen and it's pretty annoying.. about to go into the city tomorrow to exchange it but if there all like that then i dont know
I went in to the store, and they said that they wouldn't switch it out.
Mine looks fine at lowest brightness. I use mine mostly at.about 10% brightness and look great.
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Yes ! I thought that mine was also broken. It is good to know i am not alone .
can we get a screenshot?
Would it even show in a screenshot? Yes, it's AMOLED... that's the way it is. More than worth it.
It wouldn't show in a screenshot since this is a hardware related issue. And I don't think it's normal if it has brighter spots like explained. Mine isn't as smooth as you would expect either at lower brightness levels but it is not like explained by the OP.
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All SAMOLEDs sacrifice clarity and color representation for slightly better black levels. Just the nature of the screen technology. All 4 Samsung models (and all 7 phones) I've come across have it.
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Mine looks fine at lowest brightness. I use mine mostly at.about 10% brightness and look great.
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in denial???
I've never seen the banding effect before, and this is coming from someone in a household with two out-of-commission Galaxy S', two GSIIs, a Focus, and my Nexus. The PenTile screen door effect can get to me if I'm looking for it, but that's the only SAMOLED issue I'm familiar with.
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I actually like the slightly grainy look mine has at lower brightness levels
Would Voodoo Control be compatible with this? It was an awesome feature that my Nexus S had!
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Not only is mine grainy at low brightness, it also has a pink and green tinge (in opposite sides of the screen)
It doesn't seem to happen on the 1st gen AMOLED (Nexus one, not grainy at low light) or S-AMOLED (Galaxy S, it did have an overall blue tint, but it was on the WHOLE screen)
Not completely noticeable, but would have expected better. At 40% or higher, its barely noticeable.
Got the same problem 40-50% and its barely noticable, any lower and i can see much distortion.
I know its a hardware thing but is this something that might be fixed with a future update or are we stuck with this?
The screen will look grainy on white/grey backgrounds at lower brightness settings, but there should not be any vertical/horizontal banding on the screen.
My first phone had a vertical bar of banding going down the entire screen, and bothered the crap out of me. Went in this morning and had it swapped with a Nexus that has no issues. For the price that we're paying for this phone (especially those with International unlocked imports) it better be perfect.
yup, i only ever see it in one place (the grain), and thats on the store before anything loads (an all gray background). Don't see it on white or anything else... that i know is pentile.
Galaxy Note is similar at lower brightness levels, must be AMOLED.
iPhone 4S is best if reading at lowest brightness levels is very important,
but in brighter light the Nexus and Note look amazing.
Does anyone else experience eyestrain with devices that have the HD Super Amoled screen?
I notice after about 10 - 15 mins of use, I get dizzy and my eyes hurt like they are being crossed or something when using the galaxy s3 or galaxy note, my old galaxy s2 skyrocket doesn't bother me though....
I've tried to turn the brightness down all the way, using the device at different distance to no avail.
Any possible solutions to remedy this? or am I going to have to sell my new S3 like I did my galaxy note? :/
depends on 2 very important factors...
1- how much cheese I've smoked
2- what was the question again?
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I've actually noticed a decrease in eye strain coming from an LCD screen on my atrix. LCD screens are constantly flashing, and the screen on my galaxy s3 is super clear for me almost no eye strain. Its probably personal preference though.
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I've actually noticed a decrease in eye strain coming from an LCD screen on my atrix. LCD screens are constantly flashing, and the screen on my galaxy s3 is super clear for me almost no eye strain. Its probably personal preference though.
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I've actually experienced the opposite as my first android device was an atrix....
I think it may have something to do with the 1200 x 800 resolution on such a small screen because If I turn up the resolution on my PC HD monitor to something like 1600 x 1200 for example, my eyes start to hurt.
I was actually going to post a new great until I saw this. I came from retina displays and my eyes are sore after I look at the screen for over 10 minutes on my GS3. Kinda concerning!! Might have to switch back to an apple product. I was getting use to droid too. :-/
its because of the screen size/pixels. Your eyes still needs to be adjusted to the new screen lol... obv
Yes!
I got vertigo/migraines about a month after getting my S3. I had a number of medical tests to see what was causing it - but even after new glasses I've narrowed it down to the S3 display being too strong for my eyes. I'm going to sell mine and get a replacement with a duller screen.
Try this...
Try changing the Screen Mode to 'Natural' or 'Movie". Helped a bit.
I also immidiately noticed eye fatique after getting Galaxy s3, particularly in my right eye. It started only getting worse, and coincidently only when I was using Galaxy. Other lcd devices such as older 3gs never bothered me at all. Surpisingly majority of reviews call the display stunning quality, but its pretty dim, practically unusable outside and colors are unnaturally oversaturated, all of which didnt bother me that much as long as my eyes wouldnt hurt so much. I started reading more about specs in Super amoled technology, but nothing pointed out to potensial issues, than I googled galaxy s3 refresh rate, and the first video from the search result comparing s3 to the iphone, provided a major clue. The poor quality camera was picking up horrible flickering from galaxy, but iphone screen didnt flicker at all. It instantly brought me back to old CRT days, and I also remember getting dizzy from such displays running at low refresh rates of 60mhz. Back than bumping up refresh rate to 75mhz conciderably dicreased eye strain. I took the video to the store, sales person was suprised that I was returning such popular product, but its been a day since my exchange for another brand and eye strain is gone. The issue maybe overlooked as it affects low percentage of people, but if you have sensitive vision, than you'd be much better off with non hd amoled technology
Could it be the brightness?
I'm sure your not holding it against your nose while watchin you tube, but maybe its the overall brightness of the screen thats getting to you? I use a powersaver app that has a black screen filter that dims it out a good little bit, maybe something like that could help, or a matte finish screen protector...the anti glare ones I think.
Use the "Screen Filter" for use at nights.
Set brightness to 0, and enable filter. I set mine at 48.6% and 36.9% (created two widgets with these percentages) and use either as needed.
Set your brightness lower. It's the brightness of your screen. I have the same problem before turning down the screen
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Keep phone at safe distance from face. Try a dark theme or inverted apps, or both they will most likely reduce eyestrain as well as save battery.
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Seems ok to me with brightness anywhere from dimmest to 50%.
hmm, can't say I've experienced any strain.
The cm10 rom is extremely bright too, at half, I started getting headaches but on stock, I can state at near brightest all day.
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Hi all,
There are a lot of users who feel uncomfortable with AMOLED displays (not all of them, for example sgs2 is not affected). They can struggle with head ache and eye strain. You can google "galaxy s3 eye strain" for example or watch how AMOLED blinks through photo/video camera (there are tons of youtube videos). This effect apperars only when screen brightness is not at maximum level. The nature of that is the mechanism used for brightness control. Instead of forcing the pixels to glow at less brightness they force them to blink very fast. The faster pixel blinks - the brighter it seems to the user. The downside of this is that the whole screen blinks as an old CRT monitor which causes this negative effect.
I found an app which could help us to workaround this issue. I filed a feature request. So if you are interested you can add yourself to wathcher list and post a comment here - https://bitbucket.org/VitoCassisi/lux/issue/38/lux-auto-brightness-feature-request-for
This should not take a lot of time since you can authorise there with your google/facebook/twitter or other account.
Wow! I switched the screen to "natural", the problem with oversaturared, too rich colors was solved. I had to keep the brightness low so color pictures aren't too bright, but this made reading text on white backround unpleasant. Of course now I have to find new brightness levels (what brightness levels do you guys use for day and night?)
PS: Samsung has been doing similar tricks with the colors in their TVs. Some series 6 TVs made the picture look like it was from a heat sensor in dynsmic mode, and this was their default mode.
PPS: Mobile screens suck. LCDs have washed out blacks which strains the eyes, and AMOLEDs don't care about correct colors which makes you duzzy.
S3 screen flickers!
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I also immidiately noticed eye fatique after getting Galaxy s3, particularly in my right eye. It started only getting worse, and coincidently only when I was using Galaxy. Other lcd devices such as older 3gs never bothered me at all. Surpisingly majority of reviews call the display stunning quality, but its pretty dim, practically unusable outside and colors are unnaturally oversaturated, all of which didnt bother me that much as long as my eyes wouldnt hurt so much. I started reading more about specs in Super amoled technology, but nothing pointed out to potensial issues, than I googled galaxy s3 refresh rate, and the first video from the search result comparing s3 to the iphone, provided a major clue. The poor quality camera was picking up horrible flickering from galaxy, but iphone screen didnt flicker at all. It instantly brought me back to old CRT days, and I also remember getting dizzy from such displays running at low refresh rates of 60mhz. Back than bumping up refresh rate to 75mhz conciderably dicreased eye strain. I took the video to the store, sales person was suprised that I was returning such popular product, but its been a day since my exchange for another brand and eye strain is gone. The issue maybe overlooked as it affects low percentage of people, but if you have sensitive vision, than you'd be much better off with non hd amoled technology
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You are absolutely right. S3 screen flickers a lot. Try to move it quickly in front of your eyes, move your eyest when looking at it, or move your finger fast in front of the screen. I certainly do notice it.
What other phones have better displays? Sony? HTC?
I have a solution to resolve galaxy S3 scren flickering: set brightness to max in settings, install an app like "Screen Filter" (one with black-white rectangle) and decrease brightness there, in the app.
Flickering gone!
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You are absolutely right. S3 screen flickers a lot. Try to move it quickly in front of your eyes, move your eyest when looking at it, or move your finger fast in front of the screen. I certainly do notice it.
What other phones have better displays? Sony? HTC?
I have a solution to resolve galaxy S3 scren flickering: set brightness to max in settings, install an app like "Screen Filter" (one with black-white rectangle) and decrease brightness there, in the app.
Flickering gone!
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Most of phone LCD screens are not affected by flicker. Even some amoled displays too. For example old HTC Legend and galaxy S2.
Galaxy note 3, 4, Galaxy s4, 5 are also affected. I strongly recommend you not to buy any new samsung phones equipped with AMOLED screens.
Now with this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vito.lux software you can get rid of screen flickering issue. Automatic brightness adjust will also work.
I recently got an evo lte for my son basically to use as a small tablet. I cant help notice that the screen is way brighter. Now ive always seen the evo people use this as a defense when someone says an s3 is better then the evo but i just always brushed it off. Its not just mine either my gf is the same way. The brightness on both phones is turned all the way up. Ill post sy side pics shortly
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Its well known. Different screen technology. I have both phones and was one of the folks that prefer the EVO screen, at first. Now I prefer the deep blacks of the SG3.
Trade-offs.
Personally, I don't use my phone outdoors much in the direct sunlight, so this definitely isn't a requirement for me.
Bear in mind the SGS3 uses actually a technically superior technology to LCD... an LCD has a backlight, with pixels that are flipped on and off and the backlight shines through them. So black couldn't be farther from black - it's grey at best, as you could use an LCD screen to light your way down a darkened hallway even with a fully "black" screen. This also makes contrast ratio pretty bad.
The AMOLED (key letters in there being OLED) display by contrast has pixels that light - little LED's. There's no backlight, so black is black - like phone off black. It's a much, much better picture.
I have my brightness set to "auto", so I haven't noticed it being any dimmer than my older HTC phones, but I definitely appreciate the picture and contrast.
I guess i just love my s3 so much i thought it was invincible lol
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