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the amoled screen eligibility under direct sunlight...but almost nobody said anything about it after we get our phones...at full brightness, I can see so damn clear everything on my screen...looking at the screen while taking picture while under the sun was trouble free...it is clear! so anyone got complaints of the desire screen under direct sunlight?
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Nope. The auto brightness is great. No trouble seeing anything on the screen.
That's a very good point, I've been using it outdoors and could see it perfectly!
so why go super amoled when amoled is enough? I mean they made super amoled to also curb the sunlight eligibility problem but after using my desire, I say "what problem are u talking about?" ...I was using a Samsung innov8 before and it was so much worse which is wat I call, looking at myself on the screen under direct sunlight....
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Perhaps it has been extra sunny recently, but even on full brightness I find it hard to see much detail on the screen
it's definitely harder to see in sunlight than an LCD screen (for example the iPhone's screen)
Desire screen maximum brightness: 229 cd/m2
iPhone screen maximum brightness: 428 cd/m2
The Desire display is also "glossier" than the iPhone's:
Desire screen reflectance of ambient light: 15.5 percent
iPhone screen reflectance of ambient light: 9.2 percent
Theres no question about it really, it's much harder to see in sunshine. (But the price is worth paying IMO)
I've had a couple of times I've needed to hold the phone at a bit of an angle to see some text properly, but it's not really been much more of an issue than LCDs on phones I've had in the past.
Blimey, I see night and day difference. The amoled screen in bright sunshine is pretty useless. Amazing indoors, perhaps equal in the shade, but something needs to be done for proper sunshine .
It does seem brighter when taking photos (in sunlight) than viewing apps
In my opinion, I think it IS harder to see in sunlight but it's not impossible and it's certainly not as bad as sites like engadget were making out.
I took my touch hd (lcd) and desire for a walk in typical extra sunny italian day, at 1PM: they both are hard to see if tilted so that the screen reflect the sky, they both have the same degree of reflection.
It's not impossible to see stuff but it is hard, by titling the phone so that it basically reflects your face it becomes quite bearable. Perhaps the desire can show a bit more detail if using black and white screens because of the higher contrast.
Regarding the previous comment about LCD being better than AMOLED in sunlight, I partly doubt it, since you used an iPhone as comparison which is well known to have a particularly bright and readable LCD screen (can't remember the technology now) basically like super-amoled stands to normal amoled.
I would have gladly taken super-amoled if it came on the desire even if it made the price a bit higher, that said the screen is so superb in normal conditions that I really can't complain...
get an anti glare screen protector but no more phone mirror if you do ofcourse
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not trying to be ignorant, but have you guys tried full brightness on the setting for the desire screen and go under sunlight?
i did some typing(well normal use test), and i can see the screen clearly actually...maybe i have bionic eyes
Yes have done and still find it relatively dim to see. Worse say that a camera LCD screen.
Desire IMHO already fares much better compared to Nexus One because the Light sensor is less prone to fluctuations, maybe at the expense of a little more battery juice but at least I am going ape-crazy with a glary reflection + incorrect screen brightness like on N1.
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I have hd2 and desire side by side, and desire is slightly less readable on direct sunlight.
But it is perfectly readable, there is no room for panic.
I have seen HD2 under sun, and it's far from perfectly readable. Actually, my Kaiser is better, and I am not happy how it looks under sun, so if Desire is even less bright I don't see how it can be good.
So far iPhone is really good under sun, every other phone is just more or less bad.
There was a video on youtube where they've put some 8-10 phones together on a table outside in a sunny day and the camera would sweep over them to see the degree of reflection and readability. It wasn't very accurate because it took some phones more tilted than others but it showed pretty clearly that the desire wasn't very different than most and that the iphone was quite better than the rest.
There is another video which compared super-amoled samsung to an iphone in direct sunlight and in that comparison the iphone seemed poor.
Cranking the brightness up to max I think doesn't have much difference than leaving the light sensor on, especially here in Italy where sun is quite strong. I've also done some comparisons and didn't see much difference.
Last thing: I have a Martin Fields screen protector on my touch hd and a cheap one on my desire and they both work equally well, so I really can't see the 13€ difference
I've never had a peroblem viewing the screen. My previous handset (Samsung i8910) also had an amoled screen and I didn't have any problems viewing the screen on that handset either.
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the amoled screen eligibility under direct sunlight...but almost nobody said anything about it after we get our phones...at full brightness, I can see so damn clear everything on my screen...looking at the screen while taking picture while under the sun was trouble free...it is clear! so anyone got complaints of the desire screen under direct sunlight?
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auto brightness is good enough for me :]
Has anyone else noticed that the ET4G's screen isn't that great when it comes to the color white?
When compared to my Evo4G,
pictures and video - ET4G wins - main colors are "colors"
websites with white backgrounds, pdfs etc - Evo4G wins
To me it looks like the white just isn't as bright, kind of like how the Evo's black isn't as black as the ET4G's black... if that makes any sense.
Is it just my eyes or my device?
ps I love this thing, not trolling, just trying to figure out if this is just me
Par for the course on SAMOLED screens. On SAMOLED vs. LCD, blacks are better but whites are worse, generally speaking.
I only notice it with my brightness turned down. Looks better at dull brightness (of course)
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Has anyone else noticed that the ET4G's screen isn't that great when it comes to the color white?
When compared to my Evo4G,
pictures and video - ET4G wins - main colors are "colors"
websites with white backgrounds, pdfs etc - Evo4G wins
To me it looks like the white just isn't as bright, kind of like how the Evo's black isn't as black as the ET4G's black... if that makes any sense.
Is it just my eyes or my device?
ps I love this thing, not trolling, just trying to figure out if this is just me
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That is kinda a thing, yes. Though I have seen some very abused (S)AMOLED(+) screens and a couple unlucky new ones where the white isn't white and just sucks. That's what you call a bad screen.
the "O" in SAMOLED+ stands for "organic" and over time these organics do degrade faster than your average LCD. They have a type of compensation built into the circuitry to accommodate for this, but, in the limited amount of time most people have a phone they shouldn't notice it...though there are also bad screens that deteriorate rapidly and some that even burn in.
So, yes, AMOLED technology isn't known for having the whitest whites but they should still be bright white, if not you may either have a bad screen or a fantastic eye....hope for a bad screen cuz you can replace that, but a very good eye for these things may drive you fncking crazy.
samoled screens are like that.... yellowish tint for whites but the blacks are BLACK.
Interesting, thanks for the replys everyone
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That is kinda a thing, yes. Though I have seen some very abused (S)AMOLED(+) screens and a couple unlucky new ones where the white isn't white and just sucks. That's what you call a bad screen.
the "O" in SAMOLED+ stands for "organic" and over time these organics do degrade faster than your average LCD. They have a type of compensation built into the circuitry to accommodate for this, but, in the limited amount of time most people have a phone they shouldn't notice it...though there are also bad screens that deteriorate rapidly and some that even burn in.
So, yes, AMOLED technology isn't known for having the whitest whites but they should still be bright white, if not you may either have a bad screen or a fantastic eye....hope for a bad screen cuz you can replace that, but a very good eye for these things may drive you fncking crazy.
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I'll see if I can get a good picture comparing it to the Evo. The site I really noticed it on was slashdot. Looks like crap on the epic compared to the evo
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Interesting, thanks for the replys everyone
I'll see if I can get a good picture comparing it to the Evo. The site I really noticed it on was slashdot. Looks like crap on the epic compared to the evo
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Then something might be wrong. Slashdot is my homepage and I've been going there since...I can't even remember when, over 10 years...12?
Either way, I know that color scheme like the back of my hand. I see it in my sleep. It has been my homepage for 10 years now. I've seen it on everything from a smart phone to projected on the side of my neighbors white house....Slashdot should look normal.
I'd investigate further if I were you.
Just switch it to dyanmic
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Just switch it to dyanmic
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I'm sorry, dynamic what
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The whites are fine. I believe your eyes are playing tricks on you. The blacks being so deep give it somewhat a darker tint to the whites, but in truth, it's there.
The whites are good on the SAMOLED+ screens. Just because they a brighter on another screen doesn't mean anything. Personally, super strong white would bug my eyes after a while.
I have a 'Mel Gibson' type "Conspiracy Theory" about this whole issue....
I think that Samsung, though they use exactly the same sourcecode as all the other manufacturers, might simply insert a piece of code that inverts the colors that they want, at a certain time.
For example:
Every other phone on the planet has no problem producing a vibrant "white" color....
Every other phone on the planet has a REAL problem producing a vibrant "black" color.
Samsung basically 'flip-flops" this, and I wonder if it's not just a well-placed piece of "inversion" code....
The results would be incredible blacks, and so-so whites...
Does anyone understand what I'm getting at, and care to comment?
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Sht I thought that I was only one on xda that has yellow tint problem.
Its not just our Epics,tmobile gs2 and nexus prime have same problem.
And no-they are not supposed to be like that!
I looked at epic touch at sprint store and their epic was cool temperature white not like mine which is straight yellowish-orange.
I bought mine on amazon and im on my second return.My second phone was litle better but still orange-yellow compared to one at sprint store or my old Epic 1.
To sum this up:
Whoever has yellow tint on their epic touch or other galaxy s2 variants-they have defective phone.And its gonna get worse because in amoled screens blue colors deteriorate quicker than reast,so if your phone is yellowish now it will be red in a year or two,lol.
Its better to get a phone with bluish tint because overtime it will go away,while yellow will only get worse.
yeah u guys arent kidding... The blacks on this screen are effin black. lol.
Every other phone on the planet has no problem producing a vibrant "white" color....
Every other phone on the planet has a REAL problem producing a vibrant "black" color.
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Yes it is..and samsung gave u a bonus..amazing rgb colors..
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What's the contrast ratio of our phones? I did a search but all that was said is that "it's high", didn't give exact numbers.
That being said is there a color calibration app, much like one's for tv's & pc monitors, that can be used on our smartphones?
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What's the contrast ratio of our phones? I did a search but all that was said is that "it's high", didn't give exact numbers.
That being said is there a color calibration app, much like one's for tv's & pc monitors, that can be used on our smartphones?
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Yeah there is an app in market check my other thread for the name.It want fix yellow tint issue but will make it better.
Hi all. Few days ago, i've made a pure black image on my PC and set it as wallpaper on my Gnex. But when i view that photo in gallery (in full screen mod) i realize that screen is not 100% black, it's super strong gray but not black. I'm confuse that the screen is really Super AMOLED or a kind of LCD?
Its superamoled
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Although its true that in theory there would be no backlight for an OLED screen, there is still a small amount of current that goes through just below the threshold of on/off for no lag when going from black to something else. Unfortunatly, the tjreshold will not be common for every led, so some leds will be lit. Thats what produces the small backlight even when displaying true black
Its super amoled (or amoled HD or whatever they call it) and is able to produce true black.
Xda dark theme shows no color difference between it and the nav buttons on the bottom.
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Its super amoled (or amoled HD or whatever they call it) and is able to produce true black.
Xda dark theme shows no color difference between it and the nav buttons on the bottom.
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There is no difference because the soft buttons are part of the display. Turn off the lights and you will see the entire 4.65" display glow a dark grey. It's a bit of a disappointment actually, I have a Samsung focus and galaxy S2 and the displays are BLACK. Side by side you can definitely see the difference, in the dark I cannot even find my Focus, the nexus on the other hand glows bright enough to notice.
You guys need to remember also that this is a PENTILE display, in order to get the 720P res, Samsung went with a pentile display. There is a big difference between the Super AMOLED displays on the other samsung devices and the nexus. The not really pure black blacks is one of the cons of the nexus' pentile display along with a slight yellow hue, viewing angle and a few others covered in many online articles.
Don't get me wrong, the display is still very beautifull in comparioson to most other phones. The resolution is amazing, I played a 4.2GB MKV of Avatar with MX player and it played flawlessly and the full screen (4.65") video was gigantic and absolutely crisp. But it's still not the AMOLED that Samsung customers are used to seeing.
so pentile or not if it displays black all led is turned off and thus dark no?
i understand pentile may affect other color reproduction but true black must be true black coz led is turned off right?
my previous phones were a gs2 and vibrant, blacks are blacks on all of them including this gnex
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It's a PenTile Super AMOLED screen. This is as opposed to the Galaxy S II and Droid Charge which use Super AMOLED+ screens-- which use the traditional RGB stripe sub-pixel arrangement.
Looking at the button bar in the dark on my gnex, I can safely say mine is true black.
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No. Like the guy before said, there need to be still a low current on the display so that there would be no lag when switching from black to other colors because it takes longer to switch on the display than changing the color.
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For some reason these new HD amoled screens aren't showing total black like previous amoled screens. There are already threads we talked about theorizing why this is. Put next to the nexus one or galaxy s and its not as black. Perhaps its due to higher pixel density, or maybe a change in the technology. But you're not alone, just have to live with it.
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For some reason these new HD amoled screens aren't showing total black like previous amoled screens. There are already threads we talked about theorizing why this is. Put next to the nexus one or galaxy s and its not as black. Perhaps its due to higher pixel density, or maybe a change in the technology. But you're not alone, just have to live with it.
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Put the phone next to a Note and you'll cry foul. Colors, brightness, and everything look like crap when held side-by-side.
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Put the phone next to a Note and you'll cry foul. Colors, brightness, and everything look like crap when held side-by-side.
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I don't get it, since they are using the same screen (except the resolution), shouldn't they be the same?
There are some defective screens out there.
My blacks are black. Not grey, not almost black.
Black.
Is pure dark so important? How often we stare at our phone with a pure dark picture in a pure dark room?
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Is pure dark so important? How often we stare at our phone with a pure dark picture in a pure dark room?
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It's more of saving battery. When it's pure dark, the individual OLED's are almost completely turned off. I say almost because some current still runs through it but nothing like what an LCD would.
And it's better for contrast?
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LOL. Best. Comedian. On. This. Planet. Period.
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LOL. Best. Comedian. On. This. Planet. Period.
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LOL.
Learn to type, that is annoying. If that was an intentional lulz, you failed.
The blacks are pretty damn black on my phone, comparing with my gs2 if anything its just as black?
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Higher resolution will most likely result in more possible backlight from true black. (Because of the greater amount of leds being over the threshold)
And i cant says my screen is totally absent of any light, but it is damn friggen close.
Any AMOLED screen will beat the crap out of LCDs. The contrast is an order of magnitude higher thanks to the screen generating its own light, thus being able to shut down fully (or almost fully) to provide no light.
Why do you complain that there is a minuscule amount of current going through the current with a barely noticeable in pitch black amount of light being emitted, when any other screen will be VERY noticeable at night when displaying black?! This phone's screen is amazing. Yes, it's not perfect, but it's better than most (all?) other phones' screens out there. You know, screw that, this thing is probably SEVERAL THOUSAND TIMES BETTER THAN THE MONITOR YOU ARE CURRENTLY STARING AT.
I was under the impression that oled screens were capable of extremely deep blacks, to the point of there being no light produced at all. I just got my Play nexus, and I'm not seeing that at all.
Black on this screen is bright, just as bright as the LCD on my old G2x. Is this normal or is my device defective?
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Not normal. Make sure the color you're looking at is actually completely black, and not black-adjacent.
We've already discussed this. For some reason the new amoled screens don't display black like previous amoled screens from Samsung. We don't know why, maybe the HD. My nexus one is way darker side by side. Oh well.
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check the brightness of your screen or set it to auto, it might work
good luck
Get app "Draw!" from Google Play and check it out.
On my Galaxy Note 2, if I display a pure black screen in a completely dark room, I can see that first of all, the "black" is not really black, but somewhat pinkish. And second of all, there are "really black" dots and lines across what is supposed to be "pure black" but is somewhat pinkish (like i said). Also, this effect, of having a darker line, can also been seen with say, dark blue on screen in a completely dark room.
This effect is not noticeable when white or other colours are on screen. I'm really sorry but I can't show you a picture of this because obviously a screenshot captures the digital signal and not the physical output and I don't have a good enough camera to take pictures of what I'm saying in complete darkness.
Is this a defect or just an unavoidable "feature" of Samung AMOLED screens?
you did not use the search function: i personally wrote a huge amount of posts regarding this, also in the note1 section!
search for "black blotches" or take a look at my posts. really lots of them are about this!
in short:
its manufacturing dependant and its luck of the draw to get a "good" screen!
samsung lives with this as not many customers complain(ed) about it, as most of them do not even notice it!
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On my Galaxy Note 2, if I display a pure black screen in a completely dark room, I can see that first of all, the "black" is not really black, but somewhat pinkish. And second of all, there are "really black" dots and lines across what is supposed to be "pure black" but is somewhat pinkish (like i said). Also, this effect, of having a darker line, can also been seen with say, dark blue on screen in a completely dark room.
This effect is not noticeable when white or other colours are on screen. I'm really sorry but I can't show you a picture of this because obviously a screenshot captures the digital signal and not the physical output and I don't have a good enough camera to take pictures of what I'm saying in complete darkness.
Is this a defect or just an unavoidable "feature" of Samung AMOLED screens?
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Mine is pure back at full brightness when seen in a dark room (no pinkish hue or any line that you mention). And Note 2 screen doesn't even have the infamous black clipping/crushing issue like its predecessors! Blue colour also good, no issues for me.
No, it is definitely not an AMOLED feature or drawback (never seen it on any other AMOLEDs either)! Of all other aspects samsung SAMOLED screens are known to have the deepest blacks (with best contrast ratio). Sure, it sounds like you have a defective screen, and my suggestion would be to get it checked up at SC for replacement.
i also have a similar issue on my note 2. a black screen is not completely black, but a brownish black. And i can see 3 (or more) dots which are completely black.. i can see this only in a dark room, so normally this is not an issue. But when i read kindle in my bed with dark background, this really bothers me. initially i thought this was some smudge on the screen. im sad to hear that other people are also having this issue..
I had the black dots on my galaxy s2 ... but not my note ... The screen on my note has none of that sooooooo happy about that it really is just luck of the draw ....
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Same issue here. But it does not bother me that much, and if I get it replaced, the next one might have worse issues.
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im only worried if it will grow in time. like a dead pixel in an LCD screen, if this phenomenon spreads to the neighboring pixels over time, then its a very bad thing... otherwise, i am not bothered at all..
We need this thread each time there is a new phone which amoled screen? ..
The sgs2 has this as well as the sgs3 the note 1 etc.
it's not a defect, it's a limitation of amoled screen production.
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Mine is pure back at full brightness when seen in a dark room (no pinkish hue or any line that you mention). And Note 2 screen doesn't even have the infamous black clipping/crushing issue like its predecessors! Blue colour also good, no issues for me.
No, it is definitely not an AMOLED feature or drawback (never seen it on any other AMOLEDs either)! Of all other aspects samsung SAMOLED screens are known to have the deepest blacks (with best contrast ratio). Sure, it sounds like you have a defective screen, and my suggestion would be to get it checked up at SC for replacement.
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Sorry, what you say here its not possible! EVERY amoled 'suffers' from this ('cause it CANNOT display 100% blacks, due to it's active matrix)! If you won't see it it's because of a wrong method or your eyes!
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