I just found this lurking around on Indiegogo.
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gecko-make-your-smart-phone-smarter
An excellent product. Puts those other smart bluetooth fobs to shame. Amazing design, amazing features and amazing price.
Gecko is a Bluetooth Low Energy (Bluetooth Smart) device.
TI CC2541 SOC
LED indication
Buzzer for audible alerts
Accelerometer Sensor for motion detection
Removable battery
Coin cell - CR2032, 3V, Average Battery life to be 1 year (however, Battery life depends on the actual usage scenario and other sensors or triggers used with the Gecko too)
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Mister_Simon said:
I just found this lurking around on Indiegogo.
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gecko-make-your-smart-phone-smarter
An excellent product. Puts those other smart bluetooth fobs to shame. Amazing design, amazing features and amazing price.
Gecko is a Bluetooth Low Energy (Bluetooth Smart) device.
TI CC2541 SOC
LED indication
Buzzer for audible alerts
Accelerometer Sensor for motion detection
Removable battery
Coin cell - CR2032, 3V, Average Battery life to be 1 year (however, Battery life depends on the actual usage scenario and other sensors or triggers used with the Gecko too)
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Great, but i think it will be low value for money...
One thing that bothers me is ONLY support of 4.3? And only tested now with S4. What happened to those with older android version or old devices? With it work work with my Note 2 since it supports bt4.0 although we are still on 4.1.2.
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vectron said:
One thing that bothers me is ONLY support of 4.3? And only tested now with S4. What happened to those with older android version or old devices? With it work work with my Note 2 since it supports bt4.0 although we are still on 4.1.2.
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The reason for Android 4.3 and Samsung S4 support is BLE sdk availability. Other phones that do not run Android 4.3, even if they have BT 4.0 support, cannot be used as a BLE device because the OS does not support BLE technology.
Definitely an intriguing prospect.
pretty nice concept i must say
What's the catch?
I would wait until it release and watch the receptions for it. I mean such a great concept for such an versatile multi-functions product, how would you fail even if you didn't fundraising for it?
Hi all
Really fancy buying the moto 360 but most of the reviews slate the old processor that is inside the watch, and they say because of this it's not really future proof.
Can anyone else see this watch struggle to use the new apps that come out for Android wear in say a years time?
The watches interface feels fine and snappy. Most apps I believe will really run on your smartphone and output its results to your watch. So the watch is really acting like a terminal to your phone and this is the way it should be. I know for a fact Google now voice recognition works this way on the watch.. Newer versions of Android Wear will be rolling out optimizing battery and performance, this has already made great impact on the Moto 360 since it came out.
How much processor does it need? Seems like just a bluetooth interface with a phone to me.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say if you like the design of the watch, buy it.
I think it will be more than a year before a better round smartwatch comes along.
Why? Motorola designed their ass off with this one: http://youtube.com/Nz7MjoCykNU
The processor is a trade-off, by going with the older one they simplify design and lower the price point. But it's like a computer, if your processor is fast enough so that memory is your bottleneck there is no reason to upgrade.
The only so-so thing about it was battery life, and the update basically solved that... With future updates it's only going to get better, and it's already great!
Omap ti is the same processor that was used for galaxy nexus.. Its a dual core processor and does a decent job on the 360.. Its not laggy by any means, especially after the recent update
It's more than enough processor for the current state of Android Wear. It may not support the bells and whistles of 2nd and 3rd gen watches, but should remain as usable in 1-2 years as it is today.
My hunch is that for most folks the physical abuse the watch takes will reduce it's life span more than anything. At the current price point (and what I would assume would be cheaper watches down the road) I don't see it being practical to repair/replace anything (except the band) on anything except a very new device.
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Omap ti is the same processor that was used for galaxy nexus.. Its a dual core processor and does a decent job on the 360.. Its not laggy by any means, especially after the recent update
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Cores are somewhat irrelevant. Even the "better" processor used in other watches are limited to running one core only.
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I was concerned about this too. I ordered my 360 the day they released and over the following days read reviews mentioning the weak CPU used in it. I was pretty annoyed, especially since I already owned the cheaper G Watch, which had a much better CPU in it. Over the first couple weeks of owning it, i went back and forth between "Man, the G Watch animations were noticeably smoother, better battery life... " and "How much does the CPU/animation smoothness really matter in the end?".
After the most recent update, the battery life and animation smoothness have both improved, and I rarely find myself resentfully thinking about the older CPU in my watch. It just works, and well.
In short: I wouldnt let the comparatively weak specs put you off - it is more than enough to power the current functionality of Android Wear (and I cant imagine what else they would add that you would need "future proofing" for in the smart watch, aside from the independent GPS and music playback features theyre supposedly going to be adding, which TBH i wouldnt even use or want, unnecessary battery drain). If you want a smart watch, this is the one to get.
Wait for the lg watch R. ..its coming out next week
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pakure said:
Wait for the lg watch R. ..its coming out next week
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not in the US...
The Verge said:
LG's round-faced G Watch R smartwatch was only announced back in August, but it's coming out next week — if you live in South Korea. LG yesterday confirmed the new Android Wear device will be launching in its home country on October 14th, for a price of 352,000 won, which at current exchange rates, clocks in at a tax-inclusive price of around $328. There's still no release date or price for the device in the US or Europe, but LG's cheaper G Watch was originally priced at 277,000 won in Korean and $230 in the US, meaning the G Watch R is likely to cost around $290 before taxes are added for US sales.
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http://www.theverge.com/2014/10/8/6944273/lgs-g-watch-r-is-the-most-expensive-android-wear-watch-yet
pakure said:
Wait for the lg watch R. ..its coming out next week
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That's what I thought at first but, man, that HUGE bezel.
Do you like what it does? How it looks? That should drive your decision. If you're not sure, you can wait until something better comes out. Of course there will always be something better over the horizon, but the 360 can be had today. Is that worth anything to you?
How it looks was enough to cause me to skip over the earlier watches and wait for the 360. I have not been disappointed. It is a little irritating that Moto chose not to go with the latest and greatest processor. But screen probably dominates battery life and whereas the processor would be dated for a modern phone but seems like it performs adequately in a watch.
no buyer's remorse here!
To be honest, I now appreciate what Motorola did with the 360, processor-wise.
The Snapdragon 400 chip used in other wearable devices is heavily crippled (3 out of 4 cores disabled) and also I believe that the graphics engine is heavily underclocked in order to preserve battery. And there is no way for the cores to be "unlocked" in future updates since the battery has limited capacity. So the S400 is only a name, but it has nothing to do with the S400 from the smartphones.
The problem today, that all the manufacturers have, is that there is no processor truly designed for wearable devices, which means low computing power, low graphics power, small footprint (to allow for larger battery) but with very low power requirements. I suppose these will come in 1-2 years, hopefully sooner.
What Motorola did was to choose the right processor for the right job (the latest battery-improving update shows this too), and especially for the right price. Many people think that the $250USD / 250EUR / 200GBP is more than fair price, and the continuous lack of stock also shows that this is true.
Why use a quarter of a Snapdragon 400 and unnecessarily increase the overall price (example: the LG G Watch R will be priced at 300EUR) ? Remember, there are (much) fewer than 330x290 pixels to drive, and a very simplified OS to run.
I think this whole processor discussion is much to do about nothing. I don't believe that hardly anyone, if they hadn't been able to see the processor on a spec sheet, would even complain about the processor because I don't see that it has any impact on the use of the device.
People forget that OMAP 3630 in moto 360 clocked at 1ghz runs Android 4.4 in Motorola Defy with 480x854 pixel without a hiccup today.
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What Motorola did was to choose the right processor for the right job (the latest battery-improving update shows this too), and especially for the right price.
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Not everybody is reporting improvements, or at least not to the level of this thing actually being usable.
So far, I have been unable to get below 4% an hour consumption with light to light-moderate usage and almost no app usage on the latest update, and if the thing is used much at all, consumption is more like 8% an hour. In two of the last four days, I have been unable to get through a single day of light to light-moderate usage without running out of battery altogether, to where the watch powered off completely.
Part of the reason for that is down to Motorola's choice of processor. There is a lot more to it than just performance; the processor Motorola chose is using 8-9 year old process technology, and one core on this processor is using far more power than one core on a more modern processor. In the process, it is wasting battery life simply generating heat.
If the unneeded cores in other smartwatches are completely disabled so as not to waste power, then chances are they will use less power. And if the individual cores are faster, those cores will be active for less time to complete any given task, which will allow them to return to sleep sooner.
There's a lot more to this than simply which is newest or which is cheapest. It's far more subtle than that, and I'm not convinced Motorola has made a smart decision.
Really. What do you plan on doing with your Moto360? HD video editing or large format image processing? C'mon, man.
Much like current phones, the processing power FAR outpaces any software you're going to run on this device. CPU power on a smart watch is a total non-issue.
And for the record, since the last update I take my watch off of the dock at 0730 daily. When it hits the dock again at 2300 I never see less than 30% remaining.
Dusty Rhodes said:
Really. What do you plan on doing with your Moto360? HD video editing or large format image processing? C'mon, man.
Much like current phones, the processing power FAR outpaces any software you're going to run on this device. CPU power on a smart watch is a total non-issue.
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As I just said, it has nothing to do with CPU power. A CPU made on a smaller process will waste less power as heat. A CPU that is faster will be in operation for less time, so may actually use less power on a given process size.
And for the record, since the last update I take my watch off of the dock at 0730 daily. When it hits the dock again at 2300 I never see less than 30% remaining.
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You're lucky. I'd love for that to be the case. Right now, I'm tending to think that there are either batches of watches out there with fundamental problems, or some people just use their smartwatches exceptionally little.
I am a huge Motorola fan but no matter what anyone says the processor in the 360 does limit it. It is fast enough to do the job but when it is really working it eats up the battery at an insane rate, and you can really feel the heat it generates. I think the Moto 360 is great for basic notifications and as a fun watch you can change faces on daily but it will never excel at running apps as it is just too power hungry. I suspect Android Wear itself also isn't as optimized as it could be.
I have no problems with battery life using it for notifications through out the day. I generally have 30 to 40% left at the end of the day(8:30am to 1 am) while using Facer for my watch faces. If I was to start swapping faces for a bit though the battery will take a major hit. And in an ideal world I would have preferred to have the display always on.
I'm currently in the midst of an experiment with my watch. I have:
* The latest firmware
* Used it for a full week already, so battery life should be fine as the battery has been through a bunch of charge cycles
* No apps of any kind that interact with Wear installed
* Watch completely reset after apps were uninstalled
* Watch charged overnight after being reset (showed 99% when taken off the charger)
* No custom watch face (I'm on the default)
* Developer mode not enabled
* Notifications from Tapatalk muted as I get a lot of those
* Only received two notifications today, and set one alarm
* Checked the time twice
* Checked battery level twice
* Been sitting still working at my desk all morning
* Only had the watch further than three feet from my phone (which supports Bluetooth Low Energy) one time, for perhaps 60 seconds
* Screen set to the dimmest level (level 1)
* All other settings at default except Ambient mode enabled
After 3.25 hours, my battery has already fallen by 24%. That's 7.4% an hour, or enough for a 13 hour, 32.5 minute battery life when almost completely unused.
There is literally nothing I can do to improve battery life at this point other than to disable ambient mode, take the watch off my wrist, put it on my desk, and not use it at all.
I am floored by how spectacularly bad the battery life can be on this thing, and how much it varies. When idle, my watch apparently uses four times more power than other people are reporting with active usage and all sorts of apps installed.
I just saw the review from gsmarena the S6 with lower mah battery could get 74H of Battery life and our G3 with 450+mah only 63H....Im pretty pissed off for LG right now even i just hate samsung devices...but im wondering is AMOLED so great at battery consumtion.
Both phones have the same resolution screen but G3 has 5.5" and S6 has 5.1"
pikachukaki said:
I just saw the review from gsmarena the S6 with lower mah battery could get 74H of Battery life and our G3 with 450+mah only 63H....Im pretty pissed off for LG right now even i just hate samsung devices...but im wondering is AMOLED so great at battery consumtion.
Both phones have the same resolution screen but G3 has 5.5" and S6 has 5.1"
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I think its because of the LG G3's IPS display?
The G3 is almost a year old now. Of course the S6 will wipe the floor with it. Hopefully the G4 will get close to the S6 and the other 1440p phones
Technicolors said:
The G3 is almost a year old now. Of course the S6 will wipe the floor with it. Hopefully the G4 will get close to the S6 and the other 1440p phones
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Screen cpu what's so big change...with smaller battery
pikachukaki said:
Screen cpu what's so big change...with smaller battery
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CPU isn't 'The big change"?.. It's built on newer architecture (ARM8-A), has 4 low-power cores and made by more power-efficient techprocess (14nm vs 22 of 801).
The phone itself has better electric schematics, newer components (touchscreen, sensors, radio, etc), and, most probably, better firmware.
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My guess is the arm core with big.LITTLE architecture is helping a bunch. For the most part the phone will use the lower clocked A53 cores until it gets a "big job" (based on ARM's scheduling algorithm), then the A57 cores kick in. Also I'm not sure, but I have a hunch that the process node might be smaller and/or the core was implemented with a higher emphasis on low power.
Anyway ARMs sales pitch can be seen on their website just google "big.LITTLE Architecture" to find it. Sorry "new" here so I cannot post links.
(sorry YaDR, I didn't see your post. He basically said what I said first. At least I'm not the only one who knows about the new arch.)
you think LG decision to put 808 instead 810 was successful?
808 s Fast enough , and no heating up issues
Not entirely.. It can still heat up somewhat and it defintely suffers in the speed department. With extended use the Snap 810 CPU's do perform worse, but something like the Galaxy S6 pretty much stomps. It's a better choice than the 810, but considering it's their flagship phone for the year I think they could've done better.
Yes. No heat here at all.
Depends on what you use the phone for.
Gaming? I wouldn;t even consider the G4. GPU is on the weaker end and it puts a massive strain on the phone.
General use? You're solid. In my usage it never heats up.
G4 will heat up if that google photo is syncing. And running multi tasks with Chrome Beta too. Well I just got a G Flex 2 H959 OTA 5.1.1 its seem to solve the heating issue and faster than my G4 with 2GB. Too many background system apps are running on G4 as compare to G Flex 2.
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Depends on what you use the phone for.
Gaming? I wouldn;t even consider the G4. GPU is on the weaker end and it puts a massive strain on the phone.
General use? You're solid. In my usage it never heats up.
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I'm pretty sure it's among the best in terms of performance (top 5 atm). Anything with a Snap 810 will perform worse for gaming after playing 5-10 minutes, simply because it heats up so much the performance drops significantly.
At worst my G4 heats up to around 45 degrees Celsius, which is more than touchable. But most of the time it tops out at about 41 or so degrees.
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Nice - i can confirm that the battery is great. Never has a phone with such good battery life.
But sometimes i wish i could deactivate all energy saving options, because from time to time it seems that some apps lost the possibly to wake up from standby.