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Really fancy buying the moto 360 but most of the reviews slate the old processor that is inside the watch, and they say because of this it's not really future proof.
Can anyone else see this watch struggle to use the new apps that come out for Android wear in say a years time?
The watches interface feels fine and snappy. Most apps I believe will really run on your smartphone and output its results to your watch. So the watch is really acting like a terminal to your phone and this is the way it should be. I know for a fact Google now voice recognition works this way on the watch.. Newer versions of Android Wear will be rolling out optimizing battery and performance, this has already made great impact on the Moto 360 since it came out.
How much processor does it need? Seems like just a bluetooth interface with a phone to me.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say if you like the design of the watch, buy it.
I think it will be more than a year before a better round smartwatch comes along.
Why? Motorola designed their ass off with this one: http://youtube.com/Nz7MjoCykNU
The processor is a trade-off, by going with the older one they simplify design and lower the price point. But it's like a computer, if your processor is fast enough so that memory is your bottleneck there is no reason to upgrade.
The only so-so thing about it was battery life, and the update basically solved that... With future updates it's only going to get better, and it's already great!
Omap ti is the same processor that was used for galaxy nexus.. Its a dual core processor and does a decent job on the 360.. Its not laggy by any means, especially after the recent update
It's more than enough processor for the current state of Android Wear. It may not support the bells and whistles of 2nd and 3rd gen watches, but should remain as usable in 1-2 years as it is today.
My hunch is that for most folks the physical abuse the watch takes will reduce it's life span more than anything. At the current price point (and what I would assume would be cheaper watches down the road) I don't see it being practical to repair/replace anything (except the band) on anything except a very new device.
EnIXmA said:
Omap ti is the same processor that was used for galaxy nexus.. Its a dual core processor and does a decent job on the 360.. Its not laggy by any means, especially after the recent update
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Cores are somewhat irrelevant. Even the "better" processor used in other watches are limited to running one core only.
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I was concerned about this too. I ordered my 360 the day they released and over the following days read reviews mentioning the weak CPU used in it. I was pretty annoyed, especially since I already owned the cheaper G Watch, which had a much better CPU in it. Over the first couple weeks of owning it, i went back and forth between "Man, the G Watch animations were noticeably smoother, better battery life... " and "How much does the CPU/animation smoothness really matter in the end?".
After the most recent update, the battery life and animation smoothness have both improved, and I rarely find myself resentfully thinking about the older CPU in my watch. It just works, and well.
In short: I wouldnt let the comparatively weak specs put you off - it is more than enough to power the current functionality of Android Wear (and I cant imagine what else they would add that you would need "future proofing" for in the smart watch, aside from the independent GPS and music playback features theyre supposedly going to be adding, which TBH i wouldnt even use or want, unnecessary battery drain). If you want a smart watch, this is the one to get.
Wait for the lg watch R. ..its coming out next week
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Wait for the lg watch R. ..its coming out next week
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not in the US...
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LG's round-faced G Watch R smartwatch was only announced back in August, but it's coming out next week — if you live in South Korea. LG yesterday confirmed the new Android Wear device will be launching in its home country on October 14th, for a price of 352,000 won, which at current exchange rates, clocks in at a tax-inclusive price of around $328. There's still no release date or price for the device in the US or Europe, but LG's cheaper G Watch was originally priced at 277,000 won in Korean and $230 in the US, meaning the G Watch R is likely to cost around $290 before taxes are added for US sales.
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pakure said:
Wait for the lg watch R. ..its coming out next week
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That's what I thought at first but, man, that HUGE bezel.
Do you like what it does? How it looks? That should drive your decision. If you're not sure, you can wait until something better comes out. Of course there will always be something better over the horizon, but the 360 can be had today. Is that worth anything to you?
How it looks was enough to cause me to skip over the earlier watches and wait for the 360. I have not been disappointed. It is a little irritating that Moto chose not to go with the latest and greatest processor. But screen probably dominates battery life and whereas the processor would be dated for a modern phone but seems like it performs adequately in a watch.
no buyer's remorse here!
To be honest, I now appreciate what Motorola did with the 360, processor-wise.
The Snapdragon 400 chip used in other wearable devices is heavily crippled (3 out of 4 cores disabled) and also I believe that the graphics engine is heavily underclocked in order to preserve battery. And there is no way for the cores to be "unlocked" in future updates since the battery has limited capacity. So the S400 is only a name, but it has nothing to do with the S400 from the smartphones.
The problem today, that all the manufacturers have, is that there is no processor truly designed for wearable devices, which means low computing power, low graphics power, small footprint (to allow for larger battery) but with very low power requirements. I suppose these will come in 1-2 years, hopefully sooner.
What Motorola did was to choose the right processor for the right job (the latest battery-improving update shows this too), and especially for the right price. Many people think that the $250USD / 250EUR / 200GBP is more than fair price, and the continuous lack of stock also shows that this is true.
Why use a quarter of a Snapdragon 400 and unnecessarily increase the overall price (example: the LG G Watch R will be priced at 300EUR) ? Remember, there are (much) fewer than 330x290 pixels to drive, and a very simplified OS to run.
I think this whole processor discussion is much to do about nothing. I don't believe that hardly anyone, if they hadn't been able to see the processor on a spec sheet, would even complain about the processor because I don't see that it has any impact on the use of the device.
People forget that OMAP 3630 in moto 360 clocked at 1ghz runs Android 4.4 in Motorola Defy with 480x854 pixel without a hiccup today.
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What Motorola did was to choose the right processor for the right job (the latest battery-improving update shows this too), and especially for the right price.
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Not everybody is reporting improvements, or at least not to the level of this thing actually being usable.
So far, I have been unable to get below 4% an hour consumption with light to light-moderate usage and almost no app usage on the latest update, and if the thing is used much at all, consumption is more like 8% an hour. In two of the last four days, I have been unable to get through a single day of light to light-moderate usage without running out of battery altogether, to where the watch powered off completely.
Part of the reason for that is down to Motorola's choice of processor. There is a lot more to it than just performance; the processor Motorola chose is using 8-9 year old process technology, and one core on this processor is using far more power than one core on a more modern processor. In the process, it is wasting battery life simply generating heat.
If the unneeded cores in other smartwatches are completely disabled so as not to waste power, then chances are they will use less power. And if the individual cores are faster, those cores will be active for less time to complete any given task, which will allow them to return to sleep sooner.
There's a lot more to this than simply which is newest or which is cheapest. It's far more subtle than that, and I'm not convinced Motorola has made a smart decision.
Really. What do you plan on doing with your Moto360? HD video editing or large format image processing? C'mon, man.
Much like current phones, the processing power FAR outpaces any software you're going to run on this device. CPU power on a smart watch is a total non-issue.
And for the record, since the last update I take my watch off of the dock at 0730 daily. When it hits the dock again at 2300 I never see less than 30% remaining.
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Really. What do you plan on doing with your Moto360? HD video editing or large format image processing? C'mon, man.
Much like current phones, the processing power FAR outpaces any software you're going to run on this device. CPU power on a smart watch is a total non-issue.
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As I just said, it has nothing to do with CPU power. A CPU made on a smaller process will waste less power as heat. A CPU that is faster will be in operation for less time, so may actually use less power on a given process size.
And for the record, since the last update I take my watch off of the dock at 0730 daily. When it hits the dock again at 2300 I never see less than 30% remaining.
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You're lucky. I'd love for that to be the case. Right now, I'm tending to think that there are either batches of watches out there with fundamental problems, or some people just use their smartwatches exceptionally little.
I am a huge Motorola fan but no matter what anyone says the processor in the 360 does limit it. It is fast enough to do the job but when it is really working it eats up the battery at an insane rate, and you can really feel the heat it generates. I think the Moto 360 is great for basic notifications and as a fun watch you can change faces on daily but it will never excel at running apps as it is just too power hungry. I suspect Android Wear itself also isn't as optimized as it could be.
I have no problems with battery life using it for notifications through out the day. I generally have 30 to 40% left at the end of the day(8:30am to 1 am) while using Facer for my watch faces. If I was to start swapping faces for a bit though the battery will take a major hit. And in an ideal world I would have preferred to have the display always on.
I'm currently in the midst of an experiment with my watch. I have:
* The latest firmware
* Used it for a full week already, so battery life should be fine as the battery has been through a bunch of charge cycles
* No apps of any kind that interact with Wear installed
* Watch completely reset after apps were uninstalled
* Watch charged overnight after being reset (showed 99% when taken off the charger)
* No custom watch face (I'm on the default)
* Developer mode not enabled
* Notifications from Tapatalk muted as I get a lot of those
* Only received two notifications today, and set one alarm
* Checked the time twice
* Checked battery level twice
* Been sitting still working at my desk all morning
* Only had the watch further than three feet from my phone (which supports Bluetooth Low Energy) one time, for perhaps 60 seconds
* Screen set to the dimmest level (level 1)
* All other settings at default except Ambient mode enabled
After 3.25 hours, my battery has already fallen by 24%. That's 7.4% an hour, or enough for a 13 hour, 32.5 minute battery life when almost completely unused.
There is literally nothing I can do to improve battery life at this point other than to disable ambient mode, take the watch off my wrist, put it on my desk, and not use it at all.
I am floored by how spectacularly bad the battery life can be on this thing, and how much it varies. When idle, my watch apparently uses four times more power than other people are reporting with active usage and all sorts of apps installed.
I have a few questions about this phone. So far the s5 has been impressive as far as camera, battery life, speed, etc. The one problem? Its got a locked bootloader and there is no sign of it being unlocked any time soon.
The G3 has unlock method and several ROMS and development which is important to me(previous phone was s3 with plenty of ROMS).
So, does the g3 have good battery life and features similar to the s5?
Not much development,ok battery life with normal usage.Features wise doesn't have gestures,heart rate sensor,have multi windows,quick case circle,knock code.Probably best for you will be nexus 6
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I have had the S5, HTC One M8 and Now the G3, in my opinion it is a better phone that the two mentioned before, battery life is solid and improved through moding, good camera, I would definitely choose this one, but I would take the 3 GB variant because the additional ram goes a long way. Everything works well the way it should be no gimmicks like the S5 and a much louder speaker than the M8.
Ive used many flagships over the last year (s5, note 3, htc m8, xperia z1, lg g2,); The G3 is my favorite phone so far. Minor issues are the dim backlight, mediocre battery, oversharpening. But overall, best phone.
If I could have any phone now however, Id choose the Note 4.
I had the S5 for a few months. What surprised me was that I was not impressed with it at all. It is not a terrible phone. It was okay. My issues...For one, despite the claims, I found the battery life and overall experience with the G2 to be MUCH better. The G2 was much smoother. So I was disappointed with the GS5 coming from the G2.
I was intrigued by the G3, but was worried about that display and 801 processor, dimmer display, battery life etc. However, I couldn't stomach the GS5 anymore and I took the plunge and after rooting the G3, I find the battery life to be better than the GS5 . The G3 is better for making phone calls (better audio quality), and has better speakers. There are some lags. But I think those aren't so bad in general and can be improved with a different launcher or Rom (if you are into that). The camera is about the same (the GS5 takes better daylight photos). I have't really played with the modded cameras available for the G3, so I cannot comment on that.
Definitely I would go for the G3. For me, the G3 has been a better experience.
I have both phones SG5 and G3. Love G3, everything stock and still better for customising than GS5. If only battery life could be better on G3.
I heavily use SG5 and battery will last all day on G3 it goes to 50 % within 6 hrs.
Can't decide too which to keep.
My wife got the S5 about a week ago, and I'd been on the fence for a while, most because I'd been spooked by all the posts & threads about G3 glitches. I got my G3 today, and I gotta tell ya, I don't see ANY of the glitches I've been reading about. No overheating, no force closes, no over-sharpening... nothing. It's only been a day, but I've been pushing this thing all day.
I am going to have to spend some time working on the battery life, because it does go through it fast. But, I'm rooted on Barrin, so I'm hoping I have some options to disable some of the hogs. I typically go from home to my car to work and back where I always have a power source, but there will be times when I'm not. That will be rough, unless I find effective adjustments.
I went from the S4 to the G3. Not quite the same as you, but similar.
Here's what I've found in the 4 months of using the G3.
My list of cons looks a little big, But they are small things in comparison to the Pros, I just wanted to share my experience.
I'm currently a proud owner of the G3 and despite running everything stock due to lack of development for my model (D852), The G3 at stock is still better than most other heavily modified phones.
G3 Pros:
~ Best form factor in any phone bar none, The screen size is perfect for the size of the phones body, Very compact for a 5.5" screen and 1 handed use has never been an issue for me on this phone. (My hands are about medium size) (This is my main reason for keeping this phone.)
~ The bezels on this phone are the smallest nicesest looking bezels on any phone out there. (Without these super skinny bezels we wouldn't be able to get this small form factor with this huge of a screen, Looking really good is just a bonus hahaha.)
~ This phone is probly the nicest looking phone on the market, looking at it from the front with the screen off. (with the exception of the grey bottom bezel, The grey bezel kinda wrecks it's super sleek sexy look. But it still looks really good)
~ Super sexy UI, Especially the notification menu on this phone is THE NICEST looking of any android device in my opinion. (Which is kinda funny considering the G2 had the UGLIEST notification menu out of any android device I've ever seen.)
~ 1440x2560p resolution. <--- This is the first resolution that I've ever seen where I feel it's a retina display (Everyones eyes are different), To my eyes this resolution is a REAL retina display, Meaning my eyes can't see pixels anymore, After owning a 1440p phone i can totally notice 1080p isn't even retina Although some would disagree. Let's not even talk about what steve jobs thought was a retina display hahaha, Your eyes would melt out of your head seeing those resolutions now days. Although I could see how an iphone can be a retina display... at 5 feet away...
~ You can install custom roms & kernels via bump method.
~ Extremely good standby battery life on my Canadian model (D852). (5h20m per 1% battery drain, From what I've seen most US models seem to only get 1-3 hours per 1% depending on the circumstances, But as you can see it can be a lot higher depending on the circumstances.)
~ My first battery cycle on my G3 was an impressive 13.5 DAYS with just under 3 hours SOT on LTE 100% of the time. (100% of the SOT was texting)
~ Screen on time is really good, At stock on my G3 I get a slightly less SOT than my S4 that was heavily modified towards power savings
(Using auto brightness with slider at 0 & optimized options on stock I average around 11.5h screen on time (most of my SOT is texting) over the course of 3-4 days on most cycles on my G3, If I don't do any webbrowsing.) (The webbrowser on this phone DESTROYS my battery life)
~ I left my screen on for a full cycle without touching it just to see what kind of screen time the device is capable of and it went for 15h35m screen on time, autobrightness was on with slider at 0. I also tried the same test with the only custom kernel that exists for my model (D852) and my battery life only did 10 hours unused vs the (11.5h avg) I get WITH usage on the stock kernel. Lack of kernel support on the D852 does make me consider trying another phone.
(It also might be fair to say that most other users average 3-5h SOT, which I don't even know how is possible to get so little unless you were playing a game the whole time with max brightness, but it's reality for some. But just know you can EASILY exceed 3-5h SOT)
G3 Cons:
~ If I turn my brightness above 50-60% I can start to see little squares on the screen, I usually run really low brightness and just noticed this a couple days ago. (I will likely RMA because of this.)
~ The glass on this phone is prone to coming slightly lose from the screen around the edges, Just enough to make the glass stick up higher than the actual bezel itself, Just like the S4's screen. (This of all things pisses me off more than anything) (I exchanged my first G3 back to the carrier for a new G3 because I had this issue & my phone was really hot, The second device was solid until I noticed the little squares on my screen as mentioned above.)
~ Can't fully disable touchboost. (This phone is clocked at 1.5ghz on 2 cores when your finger is touching the screen because of touchboost, So just to swipe your screen consumes ALOT of power and causes lags due to cpu ramping up on the stock cpu governor) (Even with a custom kernel I was only able to disable touchboost on 3 of 4 cores on my D852, So even when I'm texting on my phone my cpu has to hit 1.5ghz on 1 core to press a letter on my keyboard which is BS, And if on stock kernel it ramps up 2 cores to 1.5ghz just to type a letter) (touchboost is one of the biggest causes for keyboard lag & battery drain when the screen is on.)
~ Signal reception is not near as good as my S4, My S4 was always full bars, This phone is lucky to have half my bars. (Calls are nice and clear without any background noise, Probly the best I've ever heard on any cellphone so far but the data connection is a little flakey)
~ The top bezel is very uncomfortable on my ear when making a phone call. (I always find myself using speaker phone a lot because of this) (Despite the S4 having the same bezel design, The S4 didn't hurt my ear)
~ I have a buzzing sound in my left headphone IF there is no audio playing AND the cpu is under load.
~ This phone isn't as responsive as my S4 was. (One of the reasons for this is the combination of the stock cpu governor + touchboost, The stock cpu governor doesn't ramp fast enough for the touchboost causing a noticeable delay everytime you touch your finger to the screen while using the stock cpu governor, Especially noticeable when scrolling web pages on the web browser.)
~ Web browsing is alot slower than my S4 was, Sometimes I even get "Connection timed out" while trying to load web pages on WiFi, LTE, HSPA+, HSPA. All networks appear to be affected. (Using stock browser, Haven't tried other browsers yet)
~ The webbrowsing on the stock browser drains battery REALLY fast. (But it's the only 2k browser, Atleast it was the last time I checked) (I believe LG's sandbox security is to blame for the stock webbrowsers bad battery life/bad performance)
~ Very little development on lots of models, It seems unless you get a D855 you probly won't get much development. As of right now for my Canadian D852 there is only 1 custom rom and only 1 custom kernel in existence for my model. (Both of which are the same or worse in battery life than stock)
~ If your really into battery savings and are stuck with a crappy model like my D852 model the only custom kernel for my model is the Rin kernel and that makes my phone die FASTER than stock kernel even when it's completely tweaked for max battery life. Completely tweaked Rin kernel gives me same battery life as stock kernel but with TONS of stutters & lags (Stock rom + stock kernel gives me the best battery life & performance on my D852)
~ Phone is hot out of the box without disabling a bunch of things.
~ Color is washed out. (Especially the color red, Red looks like orange that is trying to be red, like it's almost red, but still orangeish.)
~ Color is REALLY washed out at high brightness. (At really high brightness black isn't even black, it's grey)
~ (I don't know if you would call this last one a con, But it sure is disappointing none the less) All the space on the inside of the phone to the left and right of the battery is hollow plastic that coulda been used for a much larger battery, But because this phone was made in korea it was designed this way to accommodate the TV antenna on the Korean version, In the non Korean version it's just air filling this same space.
Excellent
I go for all the latest phones. Have had the s4 m7/8 z2. This is my first lg and am very impressed by it. Easy to use, excellent display. Really cant fault it. Get good battery life and am constantly using it. At the end of the day choice is yours but i dont think you'll be disappointed.
you think LG decision to put 808 instead 810 was successful?
808 s Fast enough , and no heating up issues
Not entirely.. It can still heat up somewhat and it defintely suffers in the speed department. With extended use the Snap 810 CPU's do perform worse, but something like the Galaxy S6 pretty much stomps. It's a better choice than the 810, but considering it's their flagship phone for the year I think they could've done better.
Yes. No heat here at all.
Depends on what you use the phone for.
Gaming? I wouldn;t even consider the G4. GPU is on the weaker end and it puts a massive strain on the phone.
General use? You're solid. In my usage it never heats up.
G4 will heat up if that google photo is syncing. And running multi tasks with Chrome Beta too. Well I just got a G Flex 2 H959 OTA 5.1.1 its seem to solve the heating issue and faster than my G4 with 2GB. Too many background system apps are running on G4 as compare to G Flex 2.
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Depends on what you use the phone for.
Gaming? I wouldn;t even consider the G4. GPU is on the weaker end and it puts a massive strain on the phone.
General use? You're solid. In my usage it never heats up.
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I'm pretty sure it's among the best in terms of performance (top 5 atm). Anything with a Snap 810 will perform worse for gaming after playing 5-10 minutes, simply because it heats up so much the performance drops significantly.
At worst my G4 heats up to around 45 degrees Celsius, which is more than touchable. But most of the time it tops out at about 41 or so degrees.
I know that the battery in the 6X and 7X are the same size, but between the 7X's larger screen and its supposedly "more efficient" processor, is there a notable difference in battery life/SOT between the two?
I'm looking for a replacement for my aging LG G3, which has infamously suffered from overheating/poor SOT due to its inefficient processor and QHD screen. My priority for a new phone is solid battery life, and the 6X/7X are in my budget.
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I know that the battery in the 6X and 7X are the same size, but between the 7X's larger screen and its supposedly "more efficient" processor, is there a notable difference in battery life/SOT between the two?
I'm looking for a replacement for my aging LG G3, which has infamously suffered from overheating/poor SOT due to its inefficient processor and QHD screen. My priority for a new phone is solid battery life, and the 6X/7X are in my budget.
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Getting above 7 hours SOT all time... I have posted some screens in battery sot section. Check
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Getting above 7 hours SOT all time... I have posted some screens in battery sot section. Check
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7 is a lot, wow.
Honor is rely doing great
Well I am honestly shocked by this. I sort of expected the S20 Ultra not to meet my standards but not the Note 20 Ultra! Decided to stick with my Note 10+ for a bit until maybe Z Fold 2 or Note 20 Ultra drops in price or for another who knows how long.
Anyways thought I would share with you guys why I decided to stick with Note 10+ over the Note 20 Ultra.
First off the Note 20 Ultra is nowhere near a bad phone, much of an improvement over the S20 Ultra which I thought was junk. The main highlights of the device just didn't seem worth $1300+ to me.
Screen overall is literally just a hair bigger and actually a hair less vibrant and saturated then the Note 10.
Screen refresh rate still not sure why this is such a huge deal. Can you tell a difference? Yes slightly depending on what you are doing. Sort of like 4k on a tablet or small laptop really just not worth it imo
Cameras, oh yes the cameras. Glad to see the autofocus issue was fixed from the S20 Ultra and photos are great no matter what camera but the main sensor unless you are using the 108 mp for extreme detail and then you lose HDR look very similar to the Note 10. Only huge difference is the zoom lens on the Ultra and it is a big one. 5x zoom looks great and even 10x in most cases looks very good and usable. This is the only thing that made me actually want to keep the 20
Everything else is pretty much the same again as Note 10+ nothing else worth mentioning really
Few photos of the differences in whites and camera bumps and the pretty much same screens
Note 10+ physically looks a lot better to me.
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Note 10+ physically looks a lot better to me.
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Yeah I was reading reviews and wasn't pleased with what Samsung did.
The variable refresh rate is cool especially if it save battery, kudas there.
The cam has laser assist AF lock too I believe, well done.
5 G, good.
The fastest Snapdragon yet yields a real performance boost although the 10+ never seems slow.
The bad, price tag is through the roof for the 512gb model.
This Note is even harder to protect than the 10 due the cam hump. That also means it really needs a case. Reports of no factory screen protector, not good especially since you'll want to lay it face down because of the cam hump.
Doesn't hardware support AptX HD bluetooth, very disappointing.
Not enough gain to replace the Note 10+ however a good upgrade maybe for a Note 8 or older.
However the Note 10+ is still a viable option especially if you want Pie.
In 2 months my Note 10+ will be a year old and it's still looking great, running strong in fact better then it ever has. Truth be told I'm still learning to use many of its features... not bored or tired of it by a long shot.
Samsung gave nothing much new for HD audio in the 20; AptX HD should have been present... a 3.5 mm jack been nice too.
Samsung needs a top shelf flagship model to get many people to upgrade from the 10+; this isn't it.
Add to that the world economy is a mess.
Samsung should have tried harder and catered more to the performance crowd to set this new Note further apart from the 10+.
Part of the reason for the fail is Samsung doesn't listen to its customers very well. Oh well... I'll wait.
On my Note 10+ I want:
A) Better battery.
B) Better fingerprint sensor. I see new pixels keep them to the back side. Well done Google.
C) Get rid of the silly front camera hole.
As long as these don't change, there is no reason to upgrade for me. Software updates, unnecessary camera and screen changes does not attract me. Especially with that price tag.
Speaking for those of us who get the Exynos chipset... Samsung sucks balls...
Thery are selling INFERIOR hardware for the same price, this relegates the 120Hz refresh rate to HD+ only and NOT to UHD, not because the phone can't handle it but because the Exynos chipset can't. They can't give part of the world this and leave everyone else out in the rain as that would highlight the inadequacies of the Exynos.
Exynos throttles, is a bigger drain on battery, it alters the picture quality of photo's taken and Samsung have the balls to charge us the same as the Snapdragon 865+ chipset...
For this the can shove the Note 20 Ultra, big camera bump and all, where the sun don't shine...
The price is just pure GREED! Useless money spent on creap publicity!
Any "high end" phone with Exynos cpu is ****.
However 120hz screen is fine. For me. Don't care much for qhd+/8k bull****. On a phone screen ?!?
I like Note 10+ 5g for the square screen (very rare these days) and the design. Only minus for me is that the display could be at least 90hz.
A good thing on 10+ and 20 ultra is sd card slot.
I will never buy 20 ultra even if the price will be 500 euros with exynos cpu!
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Maybe enough returns will get Samsung's attention to listen to what their customers what... and don't want.
The large storage is great but not without easy 24 bit audio output. The 3.5 mm jack, there's room for it and spend the extra few cents for the bt chipset that supports AptX-HD.
Sad because this fix was easy and cheap to do.
This very expensive phone should have the best and latest chipsets in it, it doesn't. A locked bootloader doesn't give me any thrills either, Samsung Pay and Knox grrrr.
Fail, again.
As for the cams, at this price point buying a dedicated Canon for shooting makes more sense; much better interchangable optics and dedicated AF/image processors.
I use my 10+ more like a laptop than a cam...
That cam hump sucks and I see it as a major liability from a damage stand point. The Note 10+ is hard enough to protect, the 20 U is far worse.
Then there's wittle Bixby... other than it's cam smart functions it's completely worthless to me and a huge privacy invasive.
Wearables have the same privacy issues and need all the permissions under the sun to even load, really?
Samsung is very hard of hearing.
Kudos for jamming their Note 20 U were it belongs...
The only thing I wish Samsung would do for their camera is when you turn off hdr it actually turns off. So ridiculous. Hdr is always on no matter what you do. Besides switching to pro mode.
I'm sticking with my Note 10+. Am very pleased with it and I've only suffered 2% battery degradation in the first year of use. Using it daily 4 to 12 hours screen on time.
I love how thin the device is and the camera bump on the Note 20 Ultra is not acceptable to me.
Agreed, the Note 20 Ultra is a bit too overpriced, $1300 for almost no improvement over the previous year's device? No thanks.
Raydianze said:
I'm sticking with my Note 10+. Am very pleased with it and I've only suffered 2% battery degradation in the first year of use. Using it daily 4 to 12 hours screen on time.
I love how thin the device is and the camera bump on the Note 20 Ultra is not acceptable to me.
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How is it possible to measure that? Battery degradation, I've been curious lately about that
TonyGzl92 said:
How is it possible to measure that? Battery degradation, I've been curious lately about that
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Using AccuBattery. Installed it first thing when I bought my Note 10+
Raydianze said:
Using AccuBattery. Installed it first thing when I bought my Note 10+
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When you first set it up, the battery estimate it gives is from the Android system's battery degradation estimates. I have another app that can see it as well.
It's overlay ma meter is useful.
Raydianze said:
Using AccuBattery. Installed it first thing when I bought my Note 10+
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Seriously bro?
Accubattery isn't accurate at telling you the battery health on current devices. Its a known common fact on here.
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Seriously bro?
Accubattery isn't accurate at telling you the battery health on current devices. Its a known common fact on here.
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I consider it more a battery charging tool.
It's useful as a charge alarm, for it's milliamp overlay usage and battery temp info.
It's charge history is useful unfortunately it's highest resolution is in minutes.
I divide the total about of milliamps absorbed during the charge cycle by the time it took to gauge battery health. I consider anything above 85 [email protected] good in the 30-70% range.
As the battery degrades I expect this value will decrease.
Lol, the phone's battery life estimate isn't any better.
The app is glitchy, it stops recording charge history.. A reload every now and then solves that. This would make it's long term wear estimates inaccurate even if it's wear curve is accurate.
Short term though it's wear graph gives a good comparative indication of how much you're degrading the battery.
Graphically illustrates why you don't want to charge above 80% or go below 30% very often.
blackhawk said:
I consider it more a battery charging tool.
It's useful as a charge alarm, for it's milliamp overlay usage and battery temp info.
It's charge history is useful unfortunately it's highest resolution is in minutes.
I divide the total about of milliamps absorbed during the charge cycle by the time it took to gauge battery health. I consider anything above 85 [email protected] good in the 30-70% range.
As the battery degrades I expect this value will decrease.
Lol, the phone's battery life estimate isn't any better.
The app is glitchy, it stops recording charge history.. A reload every now and then solves that. This would make it's long term wear estimates inaccurate even if it's wear curve is accurate.
Short term though it's wear graph gives a good comparative indication of how much you're degrading the battery.
Graphically illustrates why you don't want to charge above 80% or go below 30% very often.
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Indeed. As bad as some of it's functionality is, I still use it and have done so since my Note 4 days. This and GSAM are normally the first two apps that get installed on any new Android device that I use.
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Indeed. As bad as some of it's functionality is, I still use it and have done so since my Note 4 days. This and GSAM are normally the first two apps that get installed on any new Android device that I use.
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Going to start unplugging the charger right after a battery percentage point flips to try to get better than a 60 second resolution for the charge history.
Lol, the first app I install is the package disabler.
Going to try Gsam, Thanks.... see how well it's battery tracker does.
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Going to start unplugging the charger right after a battery percentage point flips to try to get better than a 60 second resolution for the charge history.
Lol, the first app I install is the package disabler.
Going to try Gsam, Thanks.... see how well it's battery tracker does.
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Just make sure to remove it off battery optimization. Similar to accubattery pro.
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Just make sure to remove it off battery optimization. Similar to accubattery pro.
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The only things I have toggle in Device Care are Optimize for power setting and fast charging.
Then I disable Device Care.
Using the old factory load Pie version which has 360° on it. I use it's cache cleaner as it cleans well but I put in airplane mode first.
All buckets show as active in standby apps; no power management is active other than the embedded Android ones. Runs great