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There are a lot of lag fixes, and their differences are beyond 'this one is better'.
So in the end it's down to personal preference and the way you use your phone.
I personally like supercurio's Project Voodoo lagfix the most. He will release a public version (beta2) pretty soon .
If you want a lagfix right now, use One Click Lag Fix. If you can wait, wait for supercurios Voodoo lagfix beta 2.
There is a tiny battle going on between filesystem of choice - EXT2 or EXT4 - for lagfix. This is good for us users for speed and stability of the fix. I would suggest you wait for a couple of days to see if Voodoo Beta 2 fits you. Else you have OCLF which yields a lot of Quadrant scores and keeps a lot of people happy here already.
Personally, I am on JM7 with Voodoo Beta 1.
I have JM7 with the One Click Lag Fix, suits me perfectly, the phone just "flies". Also, the ease of install is the best - just install it from the market.
I have a couple of questions. Do I need to root in order to do the lag fix? I noticed that the One Click Lag Fix app can root my device too.
Also, how will my phone react when Froyo is released? Can I upgrade my phone through Kies without doing anything, or do I need to somehow get rid of root/lag fix?
Tried all the lag fixes EXCLUDING Voodoo. I can say my phone is better off them even when it WORKS. While they do some "cosmetic" speed improvement, I find them actually INCREASING lag in some typical activities like installing, uninstalling apps, multitasking, etc.
Latest I tried OCLF 1.6 and finally revert the lag fix to see my phone working "normally". Hope you could read through the punctuations
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Tried all the lag fixes EXCLUDING Voodoo. I can say my phone is better off them even when it WORKS. While they do some "cosmetic" speed improvement, I find them actually INCREASING lag in some typical activities like installing, uninstalling apps, multitasking, etc.
Latest I tried OCLF 1.6 and finally revert the lag fix to see my phone working "normally". Hope you could read through the punctuations
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what version rom are u using??
The easiest lagfix (which also greatly improves GPS (in my opinion) as a side benefit) is to just upgrade your firmware to one of the following: XFJM6, HVJH1, or XWJM7. Note the bolded F in the JM6, XWJM6 is not lag-free.
Those three firmwares seem pretty lag-free out of the box, though after a lot of up time, you might get some lag, but that took a couple of days for me, and a reboot fixes.
The next easiest lag-fix is to disable all the fancy animations and window transitions in the GUI. Do this in Settings.
The next easiest lag-fix is to get AutoKiller from the Market and use one of the medium to aggressive settings in the pre-sets. This works well at reducing some lag, and has the benefit of being easy to uninstall if you're not happy with it for some reason.
Now, if those three things don't give you a happy phone experience, personally I am in the Voodoo (by curio/supercurio) camp to be the BEST experience so far. Easy to install, best overall reduction in lag (as in I have ZERO lag even after 90+ hours of uptime and heavy usage), no Market install/download issues, no random freezes. EVERY OTHER lag-fix, from Mimocan to RyanZA's OCLF have those issues still, Voodoo does not, for me.
If I couldn't use Voodoo, I would use the mimocan fix, specifically by using the Samset/mimocan kernel.
I won't get into the ext2 vs ext4 debate that the supercurio and ryanza camps have fallen into.
My advice right now, try the first three things I suggested and WAIT until the end of the week to try supercurio's Voodoo Beta 2 when he goes public with it.
As of right now, I am on XWJM7 firmware with voodoo beta 1, and installing voodoo beta1 is the first time since buying this phone that I have been satisfied with its performance. YMMV, of course.
edit: ps - to be clear, I have tried just about all of them...
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The easiest lagfix (which also greatly improves GPS (in my opinion) as a side benefit) is to just upgrade your firmware to one of the following: XFJM6, HVJH1, or XWJM7. Note the bolded F in the JM6, XWJM6 is not lag-free.
Those three firmwares seem pretty lag-free out of the box, though after a lot of up time, you might get some lag, but that took a couple of days for me, and a reboot fixes.
The next easiest lag-fix is to disable all the fancy animations and window transitions in the GUI. Do this in Settings.
The next easiest lag-fix is to get AutoKiller from the Market and use one of the medium to aggressive settings in the pre-sets. This works well at reducing some lag, and has the benefit of being easy to uninstall if you're not happy with it for some reason.
Now, if those three things don't give you a happy phone experience, personally I am in the Voodoo (by curio/supercurio) camp to be the BEST experience so far. Easy to install, best overall reduction in lag (as in I have ZERO lag even after 90+ hours of uptime and heavy usage), no Market install/download issues, no random freezes. EVERY OTHER lag-fix, from Mimocan to RyanZA's OCLF have those issues still, Voodoo does not, for me.
If I couldn't use Voodoo, I would use the mimocan fix, specifically by using the Samset/mimocan kernel.
I won't get into the ext2 vs ext4 debate that the supercurio and ryanza camps have fallen into.
My advice right now, try the first three things I suggested and WAIT until the end of the week to try supercurio's Voodoo Beta 2 when he goes public with it.
As of right now, I am on XWJM7 firmware with voodoo beta 1, and installing voodoo beta1 is the first time since buying this phone that I have been satisfied with its performance. YMMV, of course.
edit: ps - to be clear, I have tried just about all of them...
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I agree completely with you, except about waiting for Voodoo BETA 2 at this point. Please note the BETA - even though it will be pretty heavily tested, please don't jump onto these lagfixes until they are out of beta, especially if you don't know what you're doing. There may be complications, especially if you grab it as soon as it's released.
Please, this type of thing is marked BETA for a reason! When it goes to RELEASE, then you can jump on it!
Of course if you want to test stuff out, then please try the betas, but things can and do go wrong!
As far as the OCLF fix, it has proven so far to be very safe, with thousands of people using it without issue so far. Comments and stats available here, and this only includes market downloads: http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.rc.QuickFixLagFix
The general consensus is that OCLF does make your phone faster, but these types of things are very subjective. It also doesn't use custom kernels or similar, and works on all firmwares, which is a plus for some.
Your point that Voodoo is in beta, make that BETA, is well taken. Supercurio won't release it to public until it's well tested. Some of the other methods released here weren't approached so conservatively in their early days, but anyone in this particular forum should be aware of the risks.
Please note that the original poster said "I want the best/newer one (in terms of speed and stability), I don't mind if its not the easiest to install," which implied to me he's up to some beta stuff.
That said, your method's lack of needing custom kernels being a plus is spot on as well, but it also opens the door to the whole ext2 vs ext4 debate, since you're using ext2 and that's why it doesn't need a custom kernel, and I specifically said that I wasn't going to step into that one...
Anyways, I think your method has some plusses, of course, and it turns in some amazing Quadrant scores, for whatever that's worth, but in every day use, lag and GUI freezes still exist occasionally with it, and that is not my experience with voodoo. Voodoo also turns in some great Quadrant scores (about right in the middle of what mimocan and OCLF give me (mimo-1400, Voodoo-1800, OCLF-2200)).
Voodoo works best for me in every day "feel" of the phone. It's my recommendation to anyone if they can get into the beta. It's truly lag-free. And free space on the device is accurately reported.
Mimocan works well and is based on the apps2sd concepts that have been tried and tested over many devices and firmwares and mods like Cyanogen's. It's mostly lag-free.
OCLF is super easy to install with apps from the app store and batch programs for Windows users and has a very dedicated and respected devs behind it. It's mostly lag-free, but I'm not comfortable with the whole ext2 loop mount business it uses and the last time I used it had the disadvantage of inaccurate free space reporting, and the huge file it creates makes clockwork backups very slow and very large. I'm not recommending against OCLF, It's just not my first choice.
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I agree completely with you, except about waiting for Voodoo BETA 2 at this point. Please note the BETA - even though it will be pretty heavily tested, please don't jump onto these lagfixes until they are out of beta, especially if you don't know what you're doing. There may be complications, especially if you grab it as soon as it's released.
Please, this type of thing is marked BETA for a reason! When it goes to RELEASE, then you can jump on it!
Of course if you want to test stuff out, then please try the betas, but things can and do go wrong!
As far as the OCLF fix, it has proven so far to be very safe, with thousands of people using it without issue so far. Comments and stats available here, and this only includes market downloads: http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.rc.QuickFixLagFix
The general consensus is that OCLF does make your phone faster, but these types of things are very subjective. It also doesn't use custom kernels or similar, and works on all firmwares, which is a plus for some.
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That said, your method's lack of needing custom kernels being a plus is spot on as well, but it also opens the door to the whole ext2 vs ext4 debate, since you're using ext2 and that's why it doesn't need a custom kernel, and I specifically said that I wasn't going to step into that one...
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Not true at all, EXT4 is very easily added to the running kernel as a module. Tayutama has an EXT4 version that works fine on the stock Samsung kernel. People just don't use it very much because it's slower. *shrug* I haven't had any requests to include EXT4 in my app either, so I haven't done it yet. And you stepped into it, but I needed to clear it up.
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Anyways, I think your method has some plusses, of course, and it turns in some amazing Quadrant scores, for whatever that's worth, but in every day use, lag and GUI freezes still exist occasionally with it, and that is not my experience with voodoo. Voodoo also turns in some great Quadrant scores (about right in the middle of what mimocan and OCLF give me (mimo-1400, Voodoo-1800, OCLF-2200)).
Voodoo works best for me in every day "feel" of the phone. It's my recommendation to anyone if they can get into the beta. It's truly lag-free. And free space on the device is accurately reported.
Mimocan works well and is based on the apps2sd concepts that have been tried and tested over many devices and firmwares and mods like Cyanogen's. It's mostly lag-free.
OCLF is super easy to install with apps from the app store and batch programs for Windows users and has a very dedicated and respected devs behind it. It's mostly lag-free, but I'm not comfortable with the whole ext2 loop mount business it uses and the last time I used it had the disadvantage of inaccurate free space reporting, and the huge file it creates makes clockwork backups very slow and very large. I'm not recommending against OCLF, It's just not my first choice.
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Unfortunately, both mimocan and voodoo (BETA1, hopefully fixed in BETA2) have very annoying battery issues, and bad battery life is worse than occasional lags. Your experience with it might have varied though.
I'm currently trying to get a fix similar to voodoo going that won't need a custom kernel, but it unfortunately needs gnu parted to do that. And gnu parted is proving to be horribly difficult to port to Android.
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Not true at all, EXT4 is very easily added to the running kernel as a module. Tayutama has an EXT4 version that works fine on the stock Samsung kernel. People just don't use it very much because it's slower. *shrug* I haven't had any requests to include EXT4 in my app either, so I haven't done it yet. And you stepped into it, but I needed to clear it up.
Unfortunately, both mimocan and voodoo (BETA1, hopefully fixed in BETA2) have very annoying battery issues, and bad battery life is worse than occasional lags. Your experience with it might have varied though.
I'm currently trying to get a fix similar to voodoo going that won't need a custom kernel, but it unfortunately needs gnu parted to do that. And gnu parted is proving to be horribly difficult to port to Android.
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No, I still haven't stepped into the ext2 vs ext4 debate, but I stand corrected that you don't need a custom kernel to use it. Is that a recent innovation?
I'm specifically avoiding the speed and potential for data loss argument. It's debated ad nauseum in several other threads.
I suspect the reasons you didn't see requests for ext4 in your own apps are two-fold. 1- you are very clearly against it, and argue strongly that ext2 is faster and that that is part of the reason your fix works and that ext4 would slow things down *shrug* and 2- many, like me, incorrectly assumed you needed a custom kernel for it. Go figya!
I've heard battery complaints about your fix method as well. I do not experience them at any noticeable rate with any of the methods. I've never made it through a full day without using up most of battery with any smartphone since my first iPhone; others claim to make it for 2-3 days. Who knows what we all do different that impacts this. It's a cheap and easy shot to take at any app or rom or mod, and for every one complaint of "drains my battery faster" there's usually a post from someone who says "doesn't affect mine."
Battery complaints are such a sore spot in the Android community. Every new custom ROM for the Nexus One, the first thing you'd see is dozens of complaints of battery life sucking. It's the same with the SGS, and now the various lag-fixes.
I'm not sure which is more obsessed about with SGS owners; lag, GPS, or battery life.
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No, I still haven't stepped into the ext2 vs ext4 debate, but I stand corrected that you don't need a custom kernel to use it. Is that a recent innovation?
I'm specifically avoiding the speed and potential for data loss argument. It's debated ad nauseum in several other threads.
I suspect the reasons you didn't see requests for ext4 in your own apps are two-fold. 1- you are very clearly against it, and argue strongly that ext2 is faster and that that is part of the reason your fix works and that ext4 would slow things down *shrug* and 2- many, like me, incorrectly assumed you needed a custom kernel for it. Go figya!
I've heard battery complaints about your fix method as well. I do not experience them at any noticeable rate with any of the methods. I've never made it through a full day without using up most of battery with any smartphone since my first iPhone; others claim to make it for 2-3 days. Who knows what we all do different that impacts this. It's a cheap and easy shot to take at any app or rom or mod, and for every one complaint of "drains my battery faster" there's usually a post from someone who says "doesn't affect mine."
Battery complaints are such a sore spot in the Android community. Every new custom ROM for the Nexus One, the first thing you'd see is dozens of complaints of battery life sucking. It's the same with the SGS, and now the various lag-fixes.
I'm not sure which is more obsessed about with SGS owners; lag, GPS, or battery life.
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I get tons of emails and messages every day about OCLF, and none have mentioned EXT4 or battery that I can think of. About a million other issues though! Mostly getting to recovery console though.
I haven't heard any battery complaints about OCLF so far, but I may have just missed em. Anyway, my complaints with battery life on custom kernels are entirely that - my complaints. Whenever I use a custom kernel and leave my device overnight, it drains around 30% of the battery or more. With a Samsung kernel, it usually drains at most 10%. This seems to be mirrored by others I talk to as well. I believe it may be wifi-driver related - the GPLed driver may not be as good as the proprietary driver or something equally bizarre.
I agree with the fact that RyanZa's solution is by far the simplest of the methods available. You can easily make out that me is a still a noob....
I don't speak for others, but my best guess is for some the ease of use matters, and for some, regardless of the complexity involved, the other methods work just fine. It usually really is a personal choice and an equally personal experience. What works best for some, does not necessarily work best for others. Some like a mild fight put up by the hardware, some dont (I dont. Yet!! )
Not wanting to get caught in you folks exchange here, but I guess the saying sums it all.
To each, his own....
P.S.: Dont flame for it...
Cheers....
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Some like a mild fight put up by the hardware, some dont (I dont. Yet!! )
P.S.: Dont flame for it...
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Gonna flame you! What are you doing here if you don't like messing with your phone/toy?!
But yeah, that's the whole point of computers, phones, and almost everything else. Making it easier for others.
Wow! Thanks for the answers guys!
I think I'm gonna wait 1 or 2 weeks... maybe the 2.2 update comes to change all of this.
Regards!
Paulo
I won't go into saying which method is best, definitely not, nor will I mix myself into ext2 vs ext4.
However, I have seen some people claim both in this thread and in other threads that upgrading firmwares alone is enough. I assure you it isn't. Whether you use mimocan's, mine, Ryan's, curio's, etc fix they all result in having a much faster device. Sure, each of the fixes has their own quirks, con's and pro's, but give it time, one of us will get this exactly right, sooner or later. If not, mayhaps Samsung will.
To be honest, I didn't notice _that_ much difference in speed initially either. And indeed noticed that in some places it was occasionally a tad slower (though with the latest versions of the various fixes I haven't personally experienced this). The only place where I noticed an amazing difference was the email app (5 exchange accounts synced, with 100's of messages a day, on 30-day sync). The difference just blows you away - with setting up the accounts too, not just using them.
But today I had the greatest notice of all. By now some of my coworkers have SGS's as well, but I'm the only one running a lagfix at the moment. It's in the small things: when I put my lagfixed device next to one of their non-lagfixed devices, even with the latest firmwares, it's just amazing how much faster mine is, how much more responsive. Simple taps that resond twice as fast. Granted, theirs aren't usually slow, but mine is just noticably faster, to a level where I'm annoyed by the few millisecond delays when handling their devices.
At the moment, I would say curio's method is the most promising, though certainly not what I would advise just anyone to use. And by curio's method I mean converting the flash itself to a filesystem, instead of using a filesystem image inside an existing filesystem. If his implementation will be the best, remains to be seen
Don't make the "n00b" mistake: I don't see a difference, I'll uninstall. Because probably, your device is fresh and clean. Once it gets cluttered a bit the lagfixed definitely help!
I currently use official JM1 firmware with OCLF apk and find it still lags a bit although not as much. I'm a little worried about the custom kernel fixes not working once froyo comes out as it's mere weeks away.
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I currently use official JM1 firmware with OCLF apk and find it still lags a bit although not as much. I'm a little worried about the custom kernel fixes not working once froyo comes out as it's mere weeks away.
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Like most, I would say wait till Curio's beta2 is released later this week (hopefully). Ive used almost every variation of every method of seen of the forums, and found the using an ext4 partition on my external sd to store my dalvik-cache and app data is the most smoothest & most reliable 'band-aid'.
Although all the loopback methods work well (EXT2 or EXT4, not getting into it), data corruption is inevitable due to the fact that our loopback partition is never getting properly unmounted on shutdown or reboot. Although the corruption may be mild, I found it eventually starts to lag again as you use the fix for a week or more (more corruption each reboot\power cycle). Even using a fschk, you eventually will get corruption
Ive used all the loopback method several times for around a week or so, and found the smoothest, most reliable method is using an ExternalSD for dalvik-cache and app data until a native EXT file system can be put on /data.
Although Ive throughly tested my conclusion (and I wish it werent true, as I love the speed immediately after installing a loopback lagfix), these are simply my observations and I'm throwing them out there for others.
Thanks to everyone who is working hard to fix the "lag" issues on Galaxy S devices. Its quite an ordeal to fix this, and IMO, not enough "thank yous" get passed around, despite differing opinions.
CM9 seems to be making good progress and seems to be generating lots of excitement.
I'm trying to decide if this is for me. I've been reading some of the threads, but can't seem to find clear answer to some basic questions:
What are the advantage of CM9 and ICS?
Is about new "killer" features which are only available on ICS? If yes, what are they?
Or is it simply about having the latest/newest thing? (A sentiment I can identify with, but which I currently don't share)
Are there any advantages/disadvantages in terms of smoothness/speed, more/less memory, better/worse battery usage, stability/instability, or other general areas which aren't necessarily associated with any one feature?
(I realize CM9 is still in alpha mode; I've read the bug list and I think I can live with that for now if there are overall positive advantages).
I thank you in advance for responding (or for pointing me to another post/thread where these questions are clearly answered).
Its really about the newest GUI that makes it to die for. Its surprisingly smooth for an alpha does a little bit more battery consumption because it is a new OS version and all new OS are going to require more resources and RAM and other things in order run so the ovbious. Its really all up to your prefrence if you want the latest and greatest go for it. If you like your current setup and don't feel like the move is that important by all means stay. Its all opinion whether or not you make the "jump" is all up to you. I tried to unbiased as possible since I'm on it
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Chabsin said:
CM9 seems to be making good progress and seems to be generating lots of excitement.
I"m trying to decide if this is for me. I've been reading some of the threads, but can't seem to find clear answer to some basic questions:
What are the advantage of CM9 and ICS?
Is about new "killer" features which are only available on ICS? If yes, what are they?
Or is it simply about having the latest/newest thing? (A sentiment I can identify with, but which I currently don't share)
Are there any advantages/disadvantages in terms of smoothness/speed, more/less memory, better/worse battery usage, stability/instability, or other general areas which aren't necessarily associated with any one feature?
(I realize CM9 is still in alpha mod; I've read the bug list and I think I can live with that for now if there are overall positive advantages).
I thank you in advance for responding (or for pointing me to another post/thread where these questions are clearly answered).
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Here's the best anyone can tell you to sum it up.
Simply test Cm9 see if you like it check features do tests etc...
Try different kernels, cpu combos (schedulers, governors).
Yadada and so forth.
Hop you find whatcha ya looking for
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Nice well written question. Couple of quick observations on my part...battery is a little worse, stability is phenomenal, it uses a little more RAM, there are apps available exclusively for ICS and there will be more, it is very quick and snappy, and definitely for me about running the latest and also not available for the non-roots out there.
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I think the real question here is why not? What advantages do you have on stock that outweighs CM9? on a more serious note, I like to stick with the herd that unifies the updating experience into one rom instead of scattered roms. Hence, Cyanogenmod for me. Stock is still awesome, expecially toadlife and other stockish roms by others. Useful for dialer codes.
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I had the same question last Saturday, so I finally decided to made the jump and I'm liking it so far. It gives u a feeling of a new phone. I'm not regretting my decision but wish the battery was better. But I think u gonna like it
if I helped u in any way pls DONT hit the thanx button... I'm not a thanx-whore.
The only 2 reasons I know of to NOT jump to CM9 is the video tearing issue and the unavoidable fact that the battery lasts for less time.
If neither of these are a major concerns, CM9 should be your go to build.
Everything seems pretty much set to go, but CM9 is missing a few elements in respect to customization, that have yet to come upstream (hence the Alpha tag), themes is an example, but you can load them the old fashioned way if you want.
I would have to say don't worry about it using more RAM and battery. I ran the v6 supercharger and my RAM consumption is super low. Juice defender has also worked great for battery life. Waaay better than the phones stock capabilities.
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Its worked great for me. I like to jump around roms and try new stuff a lot and I've stuck with cm9 for a while. Like it a lot...no crashes...no problems....only drawback might be battery life BUT I'm always around a charger so I'm not too worried about that
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Nice well written question. Couple of quick observations on my part...battery is a little worse, stability is phenomenal, it uses a little more RAM, there are apps available exclusively for ICS and there will be more, it is very quick and snappy, and definitely for me about running the latest and also not available for the non-roots out there.
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Agreed, I'm looking forward to seeing what new apps will be available with ICS.
There really are no standouts as to why cm9 is better to me, until I actually use it. Everything works better to me. Copy paste, options such as chrome browser w the sweet quick zoom option. Better t9 dialer as stock el30 only searched first or last name and cm9 searches both. There are many more little things that make it much improved to me. Folders are simple and easily organized. Very smooth w the right tweaks and overall my experience is better. I have a plethora of batteries now but battery life appears to be the same as gbread for me. I heavily use this phone for many purposes and haven't used gbread since October (had an ns4g) but for maybe a day or two. It works better for me.
I personally like CM9 due to the latest and greatest, however my biggest feature for CM9 is the bridging the gab between my laptop PC and my mobile devices. with ICS, I can natively sync chrome for example, which is a HUGE benefit for me when I have tons of bookmarks. I LOVE the UI changes in Google Apps, like GMail and Maps.
All in all, I have no problems with the build and say anyone that needs to bridge the gap between their devices should switch.
My two cents
Happy flashing!
if you want more settings control for things like app permissions then cm9 is not "there" yet (upstream issue NOT our amazing devs). Otherwise as others have said, it seems faster/more responsive. I've been using it since the first release. minimal bugs and annoyances but workable (for me at least) as a daily driver. I use zeam as my launcher so the visual diff from cm7 to cm9 did not seem all that much. It is nice to be able to take advantage of newer apps like chrome etc. I do miss the extra options/config available in cm7..
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Has development of CM7 slowed at all because of CM9?
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Has development of CM7 slowed at all because of CM9?
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To a halt.
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Thanks to all who replied.
No one has yet enumerated clearly the "killer features". But I hear it's more responsive - though it uses more juice. I'm hearing that it's a new experience. I suppose I'll have to try it out myself and decide. So far I've already converted to mtd. Now I can try it without a large time investment.
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i think the major changes are internal at this point. by using cm9 you are extending the "life" of your phone another year or so.. and by 'life' i guess i mean ability to take advantage of the wide range of new ics things (apps/improvements etc) as they come out.. the good news is you can always wait and do it later when things mature..
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Since there are similar threads in other forums around here, let's try this here. Since we now have a selection of alternative ROMs available, I do wonder which one offers the best battery life.
Stock didn't make me too unhappy in that department. Never measured it but it didn't seem too shabby. Yet as long as Sammy's stock is what it is - making an otherwise fantastic device feel slow and laggy - it's out of the question to return to it.
Running CM11 now. Makes me very happy as a whole but battery life is lacking. Getting around four hours of screen time with brightness set to the lower third of the scale. Also, I recently switched from Chrome to Firefox on all my computers including Android devices. On the 8.4 it burns through the battery like there's no tomorrow, often using more than 25 per cent. It doesn't on my other Androids.
Any experiences with Carbon, Clean or any of the de-crapwared stock ROMs?
You can just try them for yourself and see which one suits your needs.
Thank you and thread closed.
As the title states.
Personally I love this phone, it's kind of like a really cool car, like an alpha romeo which has it's faults but just for the simple fact of the way it's made and the way it feels, I wouldn't change it.
EDIT: Maybe the battery life
Feel free to have a moan
I love the case I have and the way it perfectly matches the phone. It's a body glove and the phone is the darker one.
Video won't resume when going from the recent apps. It opens then disappears.
I love the speakers on front. When HTC did that year's ago I was amazed. Then I thought everyone should. I think it's crazy stupid not to. Sounds good too.
Screen is OK. I'd like bigger though and way better viewing angle. Gets dark when it's laying flat on my bed and I'm reading the web. I don't want to always hold it.
Keyboard is terrible in my opinion. Samsung works way better for me. I want keys a bit bigger and darker with numbers on top and much better auto correction. Swiftkey didn't work well enough for me.
Performance seems iffy. I mean I don't know if this is how things should be. I had the Verizon GS5 for 6 months like the 5th of this month so I'm used to that phone. Games sometimes jerk and seem to load no faster then on my GS5. They seem to crash much more. Games like the clash games, star Wars commander etc. Those types are all I play.
I want to disable apps I won't use so they're not always running. But this can cause issues maybe.
Battery needs a ton of help. Wish all phones had the power and 5000 mah battery would give.
I prefer Sense a little to tw and others based on color and lines separating options more in setting menus etc. Seems a bit more clean.
Have couple more days to return my phone and I'm not sure if I want to keep this and exchange for another or get a g3 or gs6. G4 not out for awhile still.
@buggs1a I hear you with the battery it isn't great but then I haven't tried to optimise it very much, once I cut out all the dead wood and find the wake locks it should be a lot better. 2 days is a possibility depending on usage. Haven't noticed the playback from video as I use MX player. Give it a whirl and use auto starts to kill off apps
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I love the case I have and the way it perfectly matches the phone. It's a body glove and the phone is the darker one.
Video won't resume when going from the recent apps. It opens then disappears.
I love the speakers on front. When HTC did that year's ago I was amazed. Then I thought everyone should. I think it's crazy stupid not to. Sounds good too.
Screen is OK. I'd like bigger though and way better viewing angle. Gets dark when it's laying flat on my bed and I'm reading the web. I don't want to always hold it.
Keyboard is terrible in my opinion. Samsung works way better for me. I want keys a bit bigger and darker with numbers on top and much better auto correction. Swiftkey didn't work well enough for me.
Performance seems iffy. I mean I don't know if this is how things should be. I had the Verizon GS5 for 6 months like the 5th of this month so I'm used to that phone. Games sometimes jerk and seem to load no faster then on my GS5. They seem to crash much more. Games like the clash games, star Wars commander etc. Those types are all I play.
I want to disable apps I won't use so they're not always running. But this can cause issues maybe.
Battery needs a ton of help. Wish all phones had the power and 5000 mah battery would give.
I prefer Sense a little to tw and others based on color and lines separating options more in setting menus etc. Seems a bit more clean.
Have couple more days to return my phone and I'm not sure if I want to keep this and exchange for another or get a g3 or gs6. G4 not out for awhile still.
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I would return it if I were you. Because much of what you mention, are not real issues, but are areas that just don't meet your desires. The screen is not going to grow, the battery is not going to grow, and the keyboard is what it is. I'm surprised you couldn't find a skin for Swiftkey that satisfied your needs. Also, it sounds like you may have an issue with your phone, as mine is buttery smooth, no crashes.
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I would return it if I were you. Because much of what you mention, are not real issues, but are areas that just don't meet your desires. The screen is not going to grow, the battery is not going to grow, and the keyboard is what it is. I'm surprised you couldn't find a skin for Swiftkey that satisfied your needs. Also, it sounds like you may have an issue with your phone, as mine is buttery smooth, no crashes.
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Although the battery will get better with updates
I'm averaging close to 5.5 hours of SOT on a full charge, but I'm with AT&T and am typically always in an area with a reputable signal. Apart from actual usage, and assuming there are no wakelocks going on, a phones signal is the biggest battery drainer. No signal or a weak signal will keep the phone signal searching and cause more drain on the battery. For this reason, I agree, battery life can be improved thru updates, especially if the radio firmware sees an update.
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Keyboard is terrible in my opinion. Samsung works way better for me. I want keys a bit bigger and darker with numbers on top and much better auto correction. Swiftkey didn't work well enough for me.
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I've been using the Minuum keyboard and have grown to really like it. At times it will frustrate me with it's auto-correction, but what keyboard doesn't? They have a free version to try, so maybe give it a spin.
I'm in agreement that the battery goes quick when power saver is not active. I have a feeling that it will improve with newer versions of Lollipop, Sense and perhaps even changed HTC bits that optimize the phone's performance on the 810 chipset.
Let us know which way you go...
I really like the phone! I had the S6 Edge just prior to this and went to Verizon to turn it in as I suddenly caught the auto rotate bug. The rep said this hasnt been fixed and that if it happens again I would have to go through Sammy to get a new one. Not wanting to do that I looked at the M9 and have been really happy since. It is comparable in almost every way to the S6. I do miss the edge on the edge LOL but that is sort of gimmicky.
I bought the M9 when it first came out and was very dissapointed... the first one was returned for overheating which didnt start well, I was annoyed at myself for impulse buying,. but after picking it up again a few days ago Im actually stating to enjoy it...
The camera has been improved alot (but not amazing) through the 1st firmware update and an updated camera app from the Play Store (Raw Format added) which makes me feel better about it.. although Cam still needs work. Boomsound Music Mode is great, as good as the M8.. and not the reported tinney-ness some reviews are reporting. It just has all the things I loved about the M8. For me though that "Sense Home" widget and start screen.. I dont know how this is a good idea, I find it drains the battery like nothing else, using location and tracking...
So far, battery life seems ok, I get about 2 days on Light to Modersate use - Music, Camera, BlinkFeed, I do actually like BF.. but so far.. Im happy with my M9, really like the added "Themes" engine... a nice touch.
It wouldve been nice to see HTC bump up the screen to 5.2 or even 5.5" @ 1080p (I think QHD screens on a device less than 7" is a bit unnecessary) . Just something to seperate it from the M8 other than a camera and Themes
I just hope HTC can get through this and pull out the stops for the M10.. now that Samsung are leaping their way back from the S5 fall with the S6 and LG with the amazing G4, It aint looking good for HTC. For me, they just didnt try hard enough, they just gave into internet pressure, relaced the camera and hoped for the best.. which wasnt a wise thing to do 3 years in a row from the M7.
M9 for me is looking great, just needs some fine tuning, which will hopefully come in 5.1
I exchanged my m9 for the g3 Friday yesterday. And I don't get it how videos show it has themes, but it don't.
No complaints at all coming from Xperia Z3 to M9. Happy I made the switch.
In fact it is the same feeling
It is too powerful to be contained, which is a really good thing
From the way Htc treats its flagships via software updates, i can see that this powerful machine will be even more optimised and speedy, and will get improvement in every area!
If you are not aware, the Taiwan M9 recieved an update to its base from 1.32 to 1.40 with some massive camera improvements! And it is said that people are getting past the 6 hours screen on time with the latest update, as well as reporting that the phone is a Lot cooler than the 1.32 base
So that is very great news indeed, which makes me feel very optimistic!
You see? Improved battery life, improved thermal management, improved camera performance! This is awesome
And still android 5.1.1 will boost the mobile's general perfromance with a lot of misc bug fixes and enhancements by google. The future is bright for this phone, i see
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In fact it is the same feeling
It is too powerful to be contained, which is a really good thing
From the way Htc treats its flagships via software updates, i can see that this powerful machine will be even more optimised and speedy, and will get improvement in every area!
If you are not aware, the Taiwan M9 recieved an update to its base from 1.32 to 1.40 with some massive camera improvements! And it is said that people are getting past the 6 hours screen on time with the latest update, as well as reporting that the phone is a Lot cooler than the 1.32 base
So that is very great news indeed, which makes me feel very optimistic!
You see? Improved battery life, improved thermal management, improved camera performance! This is awesome
And still android 5.1.1 will boost the mobile's general perfromance with a lot of misc bug fixes and enhancements by google. The future is bright for this phone, i see
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Im still on 1.32 mate, I'm running Leedroid and I'd rather he got all the issues sorted prior to a release, I've heard good and bad about 1.40, some lag with proximity and opening screen. Camera is improved by all accounts. Will see what happens.
Cheers.
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Im still on 1.32 mate, I'm running Leedroid and I'd rather he got all the issues sorted prior to a release, I've heard good and bad about 1.40, some lag with proximity and opening screen. Camera is improved by all accounts. Will see what happens.
Cheers.
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I guess that's why the 1.40 isn't rolled out to the .401 region
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I guess that's why the 1.40 isn't rolled out to the .401 region
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Not entirely sure as to why it hasn't been rolled out, I can see Lee, leapfrogging this version and going for the next one, the issues at this point appear to outweigh the benefits, besides the camera ofc
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Not entirely sure as to why it hasn't been rolled out, I can see Lee, leapfrogging this version and going for the next one, the issues at this point appear to outweigh the benefits, besides the camera ofc
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That is pure speculation on your part, unless you have some concrete evidence you can link us to.
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That is pure speculation on your part, unless you have some concrete evidence you can link us to.
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Just things I've heard around the threads to be honest. Not speculating at all..
Beyond the apparently improved camera which in all fairness isn't that much of an improvement, the white balance isn't fixed and its still far too sharp, I've heard about random reboots etc, some of this is in Lees thread too
Do a bit of reading and you'll see for yourself, I don't just make things up and I'm not about to continue a heated debate especially when someone is presumptuous towards me.
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Just things I've heard around the threads to be honest. Not speculating at all..
Beyond the apparently improved camera which in all fairness isn't that much of an improvement, the white balance isn't fixed and its still far too sharp, I've heard about random reboots etc, some of this is in Lees thread too
Do a bit of reading and you'll see for yourself, I don't just make things up and I'm not about to continue a heated debate especially when someone is presumptuous towards me.
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I do plenty of reading and what I have seen is improved camera, improved battery life, and a slight improvement performance wise. I'm not looking for a heated debate. I just haven't seen much posted in the way of negatives, yet you say the negatives outweigh the positives, which is why I ask for some links. Now, I'm talking stock. If a developer takes the base and his custom rom causes reboots, that's on him.
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I do plenty of reading and what I have seen is improved camera, improved battery life, and a slight improvement performance wise. I'm not looking for a heated debate. I just haven't seen much posted in the way of negatives, yet you say the negatives outweigh the positives, which is why I ask for some links. Now, I'm talking stock. If a developer takes the base and his custom rom causes reboots, that's on him.
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Do you have a point to make about your phone? Is there something you'd like to share about the m9? Did you read the title of the thread?
You've jumped on other people and have challenged each of them towards their point. But you yourself have said nothing and contributed nothing towards the thread, that's actually trolling, this Is not a thread for that, this is for people to have their say.. How can they do that or want to with you waiting there for everyone? Move on or contribute
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Do you have a point to make about your phone? Is there something you'd like to share about the m9? Did you read the title of the thread?
You've jumped on other people and have challenged each of them towards their point. But you yourself have said nothing and contributed nothing towards the thread, that's actually trolling, this Is not a thread for that, this is for people to have their say.. How can they do that or want to with you waiting there for everyone? Move on or contribute
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I think this phone is beast mode, granted I'm coming from the EVOLTE, but I picked HTC for sound and it's GPU power which is better than its competition. Only thing that upsets me is consumer reviews and the fact that this device got bashed because of the m9+ released in the foreign market and users thinking it was so much better because of a slightly bigger screen and finger print scanner. I just hope this "hero" device they are talking about releasing doesn't deter development on the m9. Just my opinion
Coming from an iPhone 4S, I am very glad with the Sony Xperia Z1C that I bought a few months ago to replace it. The Z1C is still running on KitKat and it works perfectly fine. It is not rooted btw.
Now I am considering to update to Lollipop, but I wonder if that would be wise. On various forums, e.g. the Sony support forum, I read some "horror stories" (o.k. a bit exaggerated maybe) about decreased battery life, overheating etc. after a Lollipop update.
I already asked for an opinion on the Sony forum, but got an, imo, rather meaningless reply saying that earlier updates also had many complaints and the started thread was locked almost immediately by a moderator after that reply.
Now I hope that I can get some advice here. Is there a more or less general consensus here about updating or not ?
Thanks in advance.
I have absolutely no complains about this update. Still have great battery life, but no overheating or whatsoever. The phone is as pleasant to use use as before the update if not more
Opinions differ. Some specialists from this forum reverted from LP to KK for different reasons.
My personal opinion is that with every step ahead software becomes more complicated, investigates you and your activities in bigger grade and is more troublesome during rooting and personal modifications.
Since long ago my principal rule is: "Don't touch things which work correctly".
I am still on KK .108 however I tuned it in 100+ places to suit my needs.
I had crapy sound problem and don't recommend lollipop yet.
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"Don't touch things which work correctly".
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Exactly.
For me, update to lollipop is a completely waste of time unfortunately again on 5.1.1. Poor multitasking, camera quality worst than kitkat (whitish tone on captured pictures and viewfinder lag in medium or low light conditions), battery draining... I prefer stability, performance and battery of kitkat than smoothness or visual changes from lollipop
performance on LP is better than KK. see aututu, it got 2000-3000 points more.
remember its a phone, and its better than 90% of the phones out there. it will never be S6 edge or whatever.
i like the smoothness in 5.1.1. if it was KK it would stand still for a sec or two, makes it feel slow, like this that is covered in animations.
about multitasking, got no issues, FB and the chat are great, instagram is fast, skype and viber work nice. 2 years almost and still kicking.
5.0.2 was laggy, and poor battery life.
5.1 is quick, good battery life, good multitasking.
The only thing worse about LP is the camera refresh rate. It look lower than 20fps (with KK it looks to be 60fps).
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Coming from an iPhone 4S, I am very glad with the Sony Xperia Z1C that I bought a few months ago to replace it. The Z1C is still running on KitKat and it works perfectly fine. It is not rooted btw.
Now I am considering to update to Lollipop, but I wonder if that would be wise. On various forums, e.g. the Sony support forum, I read some "horror stories" (o.k. a bit exaggerated maybe) about decreased battery life, overheating etc. after a Lollipop update.
I already asked for an opinion on the Sony forum, but got an, imo, rather meaningless reply saying that earlier updates also had many complaints and the started thread was locked almost immediately by a moderator after that reply.
Now I hope that I can get some advice here. Is there a more or less general consensus here about updating or not ?
Thanks in advance.
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From a technical standpoint, according to munjeni, who is well recognized as very knowledgeable in these things, KK is better, (.108 firmware specifically). He has a lot to say about it in his thread for his stock based LP ROM. Personally, I don't know much about all that, so for me it's more about user experience and trying something new. I like to go back and forth. I guess it just depends on what your priorities are.
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Opinions differ. Some specialists from this forum reverted from LP to KK for different reasons.
My personal opinion is that with every step ahead software becomes more complicated, investigates you and your activities in bigger grade and is more troublesome during rooting and personal modifications.
Since long ago my principal rule is: "Don't touch things which work correctly".
I am still on KK .108 however I tuned it in 100+ places to suit my needs.
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It's exactly my opinion too buddy :good: and since, from what I read here, there is too much discordance amongst opinion, I think I'm going to keep faith to this mantra still for a long of time LOL
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Personally, I don't know much about all that, so for me it's more about user experience and trying something new.
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Well. This IS a point, especially if you have free time to spend.
Otherwise I suggest to root phone, tune sound, camera, fast dormancy, gps.conf, remove bloatware, use better battery stats to tune battery usage, install Xposed modules and do more similar actions.
No comparison to branded phone.
LP is great regarding the user experience (visuals and animations) and I was able to get rid of a couple of apps after switching from KK (lock screen notifications, bt watch keeping device unlocked -> smart lock). Performance and battery life are still ok and I can not notice any difference.
but ... if you are considering moving to cm12.1
you should wait until the wifi / bt bug has been fixed, which is a major problem
and there is an issue with AudioFX (equalizer) that keeps crashing, which is annoying
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