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SO! How are you finding your shiney new HTC M9 ?? Is it all you thought it would be?

As the title states.
Personally I love this phone, it's kind of like a really cool car, like an alpha romeo which has it's faults but just for the simple fact of the way it's made and the way it feels, I wouldn't change it.
EDIT: Maybe the battery life
Feel free to have a moan

I love the case I have and the way it perfectly matches the phone. It's a body glove and the phone is the darker one.
Video won't resume when going from the recent apps. It opens then disappears.
I love the speakers on front. When HTC did that year's ago I was amazed. Then I thought everyone should. I think it's crazy stupid not to. Sounds good too.
Screen is OK. I'd like bigger though and way better viewing angle. Gets dark when it's laying flat on my bed and I'm reading the web. I don't want to always hold it.
Keyboard is terrible in my opinion. Samsung works way better for me. I want keys a bit bigger and darker with numbers on top and much better auto correction. Swiftkey didn't work well enough for me.
Performance seems iffy. I mean I don't know if this is how things should be. I had the Verizon GS5 for 6 months like the 5th of this month so I'm used to that phone. Games sometimes jerk and seem to load no faster then on my GS5. They seem to crash much more. Games like the clash games, star Wars commander etc. Those types are all I play.
I want to disable apps I won't use so they're not always running. But this can cause issues maybe.
Battery needs a ton of help. Wish all phones had the power and 5000 mah battery would give.
I prefer Sense a little to tw and others based on color and lines separating options more in setting menus etc. Seems a bit more clean.
Have couple more days to return my phone and I'm not sure if I want to keep this and exchange for another or get a g3 or gs6. G4 not out for awhile still.

@buggs1a I hear you with the battery it isn't great but then I haven't tried to optimise it very much, once I cut out all the dead wood and find the wake locks it should be a lot better. 2 days is a possibility depending on usage. Haven't noticed the playback from video as I use MX player. Give it a whirl and use auto starts to kill off apps

buggs1a said:
I love the case I have and the way it perfectly matches the phone. It's a body glove and the phone is the darker one.
Video won't resume when going from the recent apps. It opens then disappears.
I love the speakers on front. When HTC did that year's ago I was amazed. Then I thought everyone should. I think it's crazy stupid not to. Sounds good too.
Screen is OK. I'd like bigger though and way better viewing angle. Gets dark when it's laying flat on my bed and I'm reading the web. I don't want to always hold it.
Keyboard is terrible in my opinion. Samsung works way better for me. I want keys a bit bigger and darker with numbers on top and much better auto correction. Swiftkey didn't work well enough for me.
Performance seems iffy. I mean I don't know if this is how things should be. I had the Verizon GS5 for 6 months like the 5th of this month so I'm used to that phone. Games sometimes jerk and seem to load no faster then on my GS5. They seem to crash much more. Games like the clash games, star Wars commander etc. Those types are all I play.
I want to disable apps I won't use so they're not always running. But this can cause issues maybe.
Battery needs a ton of help. Wish all phones had the power and 5000 mah battery would give.
I prefer Sense a little to tw and others based on color and lines separating options more in setting menus etc. Seems a bit more clean.
Have couple more days to return my phone and I'm not sure if I want to keep this and exchange for another or get a g3 or gs6. G4 not out for awhile still.
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I would return it if I were you. Because much of what you mention, are not real issues, but are areas that just don't meet your desires. The screen is not going to grow, the battery is not going to grow, and the keyboard is what it is. I'm surprised you couldn't find a skin for Swiftkey that satisfied your needs. Also, it sounds like you may have an issue with your phone, as mine is buttery smooth, no crashes.
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fernandezhjr said:
I would return it if I were you. Because much of what you mention, are not real issues, but are areas that just don't meet your desires. The screen is not going to grow, the battery is not going to grow, and the keyboard is what it is. I'm surprised you couldn't find a skin for Swiftkey that satisfied your needs. Also, it sounds like you may have an issue with your phone, as mine is buttery smooth, no crashes.
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Although the battery will get better with updates

I'm averaging close to 5.5 hours of SOT on a full charge, but I'm with AT&T and am typically always in an area with a reputable signal. Apart from actual usage, and assuming there are no wakelocks going on, a phones signal is the biggest battery drainer. No signal or a weak signal will keep the phone signal searching and cause more drain on the battery. For this reason, I agree, battery life can be improved thru updates, especially if the radio firmware sees an update.
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buggs1a said:
Keyboard is terrible in my opinion. Samsung works way better for me. I want keys a bit bigger and darker with numbers on top and much better auto correction. Swiftkey didn't work well enough for me.
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I've been using the Minuum keyboard and have grown to really like it. At times it will frustrate me with it's auto-correction, but what keyboard doesn't? They have a free version to try, so maybe give it a spin.
I'm in agreement that the battery goes quick when power saver is not active. I have a feeling that it will improve with newer versions of Lollipop, Sense and perhaps even changed HTC bits that optimize the phone's performance on the 810 chipset.
Let us know which way you go...

I really like the phone! I had the S6 Edge just prior to this and went to Verizon to turn it in as I suddenly caught the auto rotate bug. The rep said this hasnt been fixed and that if it happens again I would have to go through Sammy to get a new one. Not wanting to do that I looked at the M9 and have been really happy since. It is comparable in almost every way to the S6. I do miss the edge on the edge LOL but that is sort of gimmicky.

I bought the M9 when it first came out and was very dissapointed... the first one was returned for overheating which didnt start well, I was annoyed at myself for impulse buying,. but after picking it up again a few days ago Im actually stating to enjoy it...
The camera has been improved alot (but not amazing) through the 1st firmware update and an updated camera app from the Play Store (Raw Format added) which makes me feel better about it.. although Cam still needs work. Boomsound Music Mode is great, as good as the M8.. and not the reported tinney-ness some reviews are reporting. It just has all the things I loved about the M8. For me though that "Sense Home" widget and start screen.. I dont know how this is a good idea, I find it drains the battery like nothing else, using location and tracking...
So far, battery life seems ok, I get about 2 days on Light to Modersate use - Music, Camera, BlinkFeed, I do actually like BF.. but so far.. Im happy with my M9, really like the added "Themes" engine... a nice touch.
It wouldve been nice to see HTC bump up the screen to 5.2 or even 5.5" @ 1080p (I think QHD screens on a device less than 7" is a bit unnecessary) . Just something to seperate it from the M8 other than a camera and Themes
I just hope HTC can get through this and pull out the stops for the M10.. now that Samsung are leaping their way back from the S5 fall with the S6 and LG with the amazing G4, It aint looking good for HTC. For me, they just didnt try hard enough, they just gave into internet pressure, relaced the camera and hoped for the best.. which wasnt a wise thing to do 3 years in a row from the M7.
M9 for me is looking great, just needs some fine tuning, which will hopefully come in 5.1

I exchanged my m9 for the g3 Friday yesterday. And I don't get it how videos show it has themes, but it don't.

No complaints at all coming from Xperia Z3 to M9. Happy I made the switch.

In fact it is the same feeling
It is too powerful to be contained, which is a really good thing
From the way Htc treats its flagships via software updates, i can see that this powerful machine will be even more optimised and speedy, and will get improvement in every area!
If you are not aware, the Taiwan M9 recieved an update to its base from 1.32 to 1.40 with some massive camera improvements! And it is said that people are getting past the 6 hours screen on time with the latest update, as well as reporting that the phone is a Lot cooler than the 1.32 base
So that is very great news indeed, which makes me feel very optimistic!
You see? Improved battery life, improved thermal management, improved camera performance! This is awesome
And still android 5.1.1 will boost the mobile's general perfromance with a lot of misc bug fixes and enhancements by google. The future is bright for this phone, i see

Mostafa Wael said:
In fact it is the same feeling
It is too powerful to be contained, which is a really good thing
From the way Htc treats its flagships via software updates, i can see that this powerful machine will be even more optimised and speedy, and will get improvement in every area!
If you are not aware, the Taiwan M9 recieved an update to its base from 1.32 to 1.40 with some massive camera improvements! And it is said that people are getting past the 6 hours screen on time with the latest update, as well as reporting that the phone is a Lot cooler than the 1.32 base
So that is very great news indeed, which makes me feel very optimistic!
You see? Improved battery life, improved thermal management, improved camera performance! This is awesome
And still android 5.1.1 will boost the mobile's general perfromance with a lot of misc bug fixes and enhancements by google. The future is bright for this phone, i see
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Im still on 1.32 mate, I'm running Leedroid and I'd rather he got all the issues sorted prior to a release, I've heard good and bad about 1.40, some lag with proximity and opening screen. Camera is improved by all accounts. Will see what happens.
Cheers.

dladz said:
Im still on 1.32 mate, I'm running Leedroid and I'd rather he got all the issues sorted prior to a release, I've heard good and bad about 1.40, some lag with proximity and opening screen. Camera is improved by all accounts. Will see what happens.
Cheers.
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I guess that's why the 1.40 isn't rolled out to the .401 region

Mostafa Wael said:
I guess that's why the 1.40 isn't rolled out to the .401 region
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Not entirely sure as to why it hasn't been rolled out, I can see Lee, leapfrogging this version and going for the next one, the issues at this point appear to outweigh the benefits, besides the camera ofc

dladz said:
Not entirely sure as to why it hasn't been rolled out, I can see Lee, leapfrogging this version and going for the next one, the issues at this point appear to outweigh the benefits, besides the camera ofc
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That is pure speculation on your part, unless you have some concrete evidence you can link us to.

fernandezhjr said:
That is pure speculation on your part, unless you have some concrete evidence you can link us to.
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Just things I've heard around the threads to be honest. Not speculating at all..
Beyond the apparently improved camera which in all fairness isn't that much of an improvement, the white balance isn't fixed and its still far too sharp, I've heard about random reboots etc, some of this is in Lees thread too
Do a bit of reading and you'll see for yourself, I don't just make things up and I'm not about to continue a heated debate especially when someone is presumptuous towards me.

dladz said:
Just things I've heard around the threads to be honest. Not speculating at all..
Beyond the apparently improved camera which in all fairness isn't that much of an improvement, the white balance isn't fixed and its still far too sharp, I've heard about random reboots etc, some of this is in Lees thread too
Do a bit of reading and you'll see for yourself, I don't just make things up and I'm not about to continue a heated debate especially when someone is presumptuous towards me.
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I do plenty of reading and what I have seen is improved camera, improved battery life, and a slight improvement performance wise. I'm not looking for a heated debate. I just haven't seen much posted in the way of negatives, yet you say the negatives outweigh the positives, which is why I ask for some links. Now, I'm talking stock. If a developer takes the base and his custom rom causes reboots, that's on him.

fernandezhjr said:
I do plenty of reading and what I have seen is improved camera, improved battery life, and a slight improvement performance wise. I'm not looking for a heated debate. I just haven't seen much posted in the way of negatives, yet you say the negatives outweigh the positives, which is why I ask for some links. Now, I'm talking stock. If a developer takes the base and his custom rom causes reboots, that's on him.
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Do you have a point to make about your phone? Is there something you'd like to share about the m9? Did you read the title of the thread?
You've jumped on other people and have challenged each of them towards their point. But you yourself have said nothing and contributed nothing towards the thread, that's actually trolling, this Is not a thread for that, this is for people to have their say.. How can they do that or want to with you waiting there for everyone? Move on or contribute

dladz said:
Do you have a point to make about your phone? Is there something you'd like to share about the m9? Did you read the title of the thread?
You've jumped on other people and have challenged each of them towards their point. But you yourself have said nothing and contributed nothing towards the thread, that's actually trolling, this Is not a thread for that, this is for people to have their say.. How can they do that or want to with you waiting there for everyone? Move on or contribute
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I think this phone is beast mode, granted I'm coming from the EVOLTE, but I picked HTC for sound and it's GPU power which is better than its competition. Only thing that upsets me is consumer reviews and the fact that this device got bashed because of the m9+ released in the foreign market and users thinking it was so much better because of a slightly bigger screen and finger print scanner. I just hope this "hero" device they are talking about releasing doesn't deter development on the m9. Just my opinion

Where are all the ROMS?

I currently have a nexus 5 and I'm looking to upgrade. The G4 looks like a great option as it have more RAM better processor, better screen and mainly an SD SLOT!!!! I currently am getting by with 16GB which is then around 10GB usuable. My question is is this phone worth getting considering I would like a custom ROM. I'd be happy with CM12 but there doesn't look like much support, I can get this phone pretty cheap but I'm not sure as the support just doesn't seem to be here. Anyone with this phone got any advice? Look elsewhere or buy it?

cyberdude020 said:
I currently have a nexus 5 and I'm looking to upgrade. The G4 looks like a great option as it have more RAM better processor, better screen and mainly an SD SLOT!!!! I currently am getting by with 16GB which is then around 10GB usuable. My question is is this phone worth getting considering I would like a custom ROM. I'd be happy with CM12 but there doesn't look like much support, I can get this phone pretty cheap but I'm not sure as the support just doesn't seem to be here. Anyone with this phone got any advice? Look elsewhere or buy it?
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I recently switched to the G4 (H811) from the S6 Edge back in October. I would consider it a good upgrade. The official CM updates are already rolled out and I've been using it as a daily driver even through the buggy (not complaining) Alpha and Beta stages. As a lot of other users have already stated, most of us considered the stock ROM good enough, especially with Marshmallow rolling out pretty soon. The only reason I switched to CM 12.1 was for the near stock look and the lag in the stock ROM. I've heard good things about the CTT MOD, eliminating lag involving thermal throttling. I used MicroMod777's debloated stock ROM. It ran smoother than stock in my experience. I'll be happy to answer anymore questions you have, given my experience with the device.
[T-MOB H811/ INT H815] [Nightly] Cyanogenmod 12.1
CTT Mod for the G4 eliminates lag and more (10/16)
[ROM] G4 H811 10N Stock, Debloated, Rooted ROM's + Mods

KingofPineCones said:
I recently switched to the G4 (H811) from the S6 Edge back in October. I would consider it a good upgrade. The official CM updates are already rolled out and I've been using it as a daily driver even through the buggy (not complaining) Alpha and Beta stages. As a lot of other users have already stated, most of us considered the stock ROM good enough, especially with Marshmallow rolling out pretty soon. The only reason I switched to CM 12.1 was for the near stock look and the lag in the stock ROM. I've heard good things about the CTT MOD, eliminating lag involving thermal throttling. I used MicroMod777's debloated stock ROM. It ran smoother than stock in my experience. I'll be happy to answer anymore questions you have, given my experience with the device.
[T-MOB H811/ INT H815] [Nightly] Cyanogenmod 12.1
CTT Mod for the G4 eliminates lag and more (10/16)
[ROM] G4 H811 10N Stock, Debloated, Rooted ROM's + Mods
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Thanks a lot. I really like this phone however I don't like stock. I am happy with CM12 though as it has all the features I use. How stable is CM? Are the bugs ironed out now? How is battery life and heat issues? What type of lag is it? Scrolling lag or gaming? I saw the mod but didn't read too much into it, also is over clocking an option via kernels?
Thank again for answering my questions, it will save me a lot of time searching the forums

cyberdude020 said:
Thanks a lot. I really like this phone however I don't like stock. I am happy with CM12 though as it has all the features I use. How stable is CM? Are the bugs ironed out now? How is battery life and heat issues? What type of lag is it? Scrolling lag or gaming? I saw the mod but didn't read too much into it, also is over clocking an option via kernels?
Thank again for answering my questions, it will save me a lot of time searching the forums
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CM is pretty stable so far, good enough for a daily driver. Trebuchet crashes every now and then and I've noticed some issues with the camera (besides the actual camera app, that's just AOSP camera in general). I'm not complaining, nor rushing the devs, but it's easily usable as a daily driver. To sum it up, bugs are present, but not bad. Battery life is iffy, I can get through an entire day with 2 batteries and sometimes a charge. I'd say it's around 3 hours SOT. Heat issues are way worse on the stock ROM, nothing too bad so far on CM. Lag on CM is little things like scrolling or keyboard animations, and apps crashing now and then. I haven't tried much gaming. Over clocking is possible.

if you guys use CM custom rom, which app use for camera? is the CM camera apps as good as stock to use all features of the G4 camera? or you don't care about photos, you just need other features covered by CM rom?

cyberdude020 said:
I currently have a nexus 5 and I'm looking to upgrade. The G4 looks like a great option as it have more RAM better processor, better screen and mainly an SD SLOT!!!! I currently am getting by with 16GB which is then around 10GB usuable. My question is is this phone worth getting considering I would like a custom ROM. I'd be happy with CM12 but there doesn't look like much support, I can get this phone pretty cheap but I'm not sure as the support just doesn't seem to be here. Anyone with this phone got any advice? Look elsewhere or buy it?
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I think the issue is because of the bootloader and the fact that there are only 2 variants which is can be unlocked on.
I know CandySix is coming to the G4 though :good:

donkanmcklaus said:
if you guys use CM custom rom, which app use for camera? is the CM camera apps as good as stock to use all features of the G4 camera? or you don't care about photos, you just need other features covered by CM rom?
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The other features are worth losing the camera. It's still great for regular pictures but don't expect a DSLR replacement. They're still working on getting the G4 Camera ported to the ROM.

donkanmcklaus said:
is the CM camera apps as good as stock to use all features of the G4 camera?
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you can use other 3rd party camera apps but you lose some features like night shot which is used by front camera as well.
also shutter time will not be more than 0.5s, stock goes up to 30s.
Its not clear to me how CM will make use of the colour sensor and laser AF. Are shots as quick to take, are they as clear.
Low light on auto ? this is buggy right now from the few samples i saw.
Whether unlocking bootloader automatically disables these features is not clear. Because if it does then its a one way process. You lose it forever.
or you don't care about photos, you just need other features covered by CM rom?
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exactly
So much easier to just get a nexus isn't it.
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KingofPineCones said:
Battery life is iffy, I can get through an entire day with 2 batteries and sometimes a charge. I'd say it's around 3 hours SOT.
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You get 3h sot on cm or stock ?
regardless you should be getting more, on stock.
3-4h on data, 4-5h on wifi. If your brightness is 25% you can add an extra hour in there. This is normal with stock and greenify.
If you can't get that then you need a reset.
I've seen very little to no benefits accruing to battery life by rooting, roms or exposed. if you must go down that route its about features.

One Twelve said:
You get 3h sot on cm or stock ?
regardless you should be getting more, on stock.
3-4h on data, 4-5h on wifi. If your brightness is 25% you can add an extra hour in there. This is normal with stock and greenify.
If you can't get that then you need a reset.
I've seen very little to no benefits accruing to battery life by rooting, roms or exposed. if you must go down that route its about features.
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3h SOT on CM, less on stock. That's with greenify and screen at around 30% brightness. I'm not going to complain to CM development for those numbers, but I'll try one of the debloated stock ROMs and report back after a few days. Thanks for the advice.

the ROMS are here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/development
next time use search or better thread title.

paratox said:
the ROMS are here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/development
next time use search or better thread title.
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Looks like a ghost town to me. Compare that forum to the equivalent G3 forum, even at the current date in 2014, and it was way more lively.
With every passing day it looks more and more like the G4 has been abandoned. I guess you can't blame the devs, LG are being pricks about the bootloader.

paratox said:
the ROMS are here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/development
next time use search or better thread title.
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Pretty clear there is not much to choose from and even then they seem to have bugs. This was a genuine question no need to be cocky although I'm sure it makes you feel superior.

Thanks a lot guys, it was basically a choice between the G4 or a Sony Z5 both have little support, obviously the Z5 has only just been released so it's to be expected. I'm just a little disappointed as the G4 seemed so perfect for me hardware wise vs price, plus the fact the G4 uses the 808 as opposed to the 810 which has overheating problems. The Moto X pure is looking like a possibility for this reason now. I tend to keep my phones fairly long so I need something quite stable. I think I will hold off for now until support for the phones I'm interested in grows, unless I see something really cheap in the black Friday sales
Thank you for your help everyone, I appreciate it!!

cyberdude020 said:
Thanks a lot guys, it was basically a choice between the G4 or a Sony Z5 both have little support, obviously the Z5 has only just been released so it's to be expected. I'm just a little disappointed as the G4 seemed so perfect for me hardware wise vs price, plus the fact the G4 uses the 808 as opposed to the 810 which has overheating problems. The Moto X pure is looking like a possibility for this reason now. I tend to keep my phones fairly long so I need something quite stable. I think I will hold off for now until support for the phones I'm interested in grows, unless I see something really cheap in the black Friday sales
Thank you for your help everyone, I appreciate it!!
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I'm in the exact same boat man, G4 looks like the perfect phone in terms of hardware but the software situation is just depressing. We'll see how things pan out once Marshmallow has made it to all G4s, but if thing don't pick up I'll have to look elsewhere.

dogroll said:
I'm in the exact same boat man, G4 looks like the perfect phone in terms of hardware but the software situation is just depressing. We'll see how things pan out once Marshmallow has made it to all G4s, but if thing don't pick up I'll have to look elsewhere.
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The Moto X pure has very similar hardware to the G4, if it's within your budget I'd suggest looking there once the phone has been out awhile and gained support.

KingofPineCones said:
3h SOT on CM, less on stock. That's with greenify and screen at around 30% brightness.
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What's is your usage like ? if its heavy then i don't think you can do better.
I'm not going to complain to CM development for those numbers, but I'll try one of the debloated stock ROMs and report back after a few days. Thanks for the advice.
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if you can't get those figures in stock then Cm can't do more.
debloated if you have a carrier rom, its not necessary otherwise.
How long you had the device ?
People that can't get beyond 3h sot need a reset. something is running more than it needs to. a reset fixes it. dont just do a plain restore after, install apps in small batches and monitor.

One Twelve said:
What's is your usage like ? if its heavy then i don't think you can do better.
if you can't get those figures in stock then Cm can't do more.
debloated if you have a carrier rom, its not necessary otherwise.
How long you had the device ?
People that can't get beyond 3h sot need a reset. something is running more than it needs to. a reset fixes it. dont just do a plain restore after, install apps in small batches and monitor.
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Heavy usage. I got better in CM than stock. I've had the T-Mobile G4 since around late September. And yes, I need the debloated ROM because my stock H811 ROM is the carrier one. I've also noticed less lag on it with animations, particularly the keyboard pop-up ones.

KingofPineCones said:
Heavy usage.
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Ah, then 3-4hrs of sot is normal.
was testing with youtube and speakers on max. 1 hr of youtube eats up around 27%. 3hrs of youtube like that and its recharge time.
With bluetooth it drops to 20%. Must be some more savings with wired speakers.
with screen off and just podcasts its 10%/hour.
So far the heaviest usage is recoding with 4k. Do that for 90 minutes and the battery is flat.
I got better in CM than stock. I've had the T-Mobile G4 since around late September. And yes, I need the debloated ROM because my stock H811 ROM is the carrier one. I've also noticed less lag on it with animations, particularly the keyboard pop-up ones.
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How long is your standby ?

One Twelve said:
How long is your standby ?
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I'm actually not sure, I'm almost always using it. It drains around 10% over night (about 7 hours) if I forget to plug it in. That's on the CM ROM.

Bootloader is still annyoing to unlock for most models/ not possible, also this phone has so many different models.
On top of that we got from Lolipop to MM quite fast which may also be a reason for the lack of roms.
If I'd be a Dev I'd rather not put too much effort in Lolipop roms for the G4 if MM is right around the corner.
Dunno maybe it will get better now

LG G3 Marshmallow Pros and Cons

Im thinking about updating to Android 6 but im not quite sure if i should do it already.
Heard some good things about perfomance and overall feeling but also about lowered Imagequality.
What are your pros and cons about the update? Is it worth going? Pls help me

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Well thx for your response! [emoji14]
im currently on fulmics 2.7 with xceed and its feeling really smooth. There is not a real reason for me to upgrad but i feel a bit outdated if i stay on lp. I know its stupid.
Im not using the camera for high quality shots at all but i also dont want to loose some of the quality. Is there any chance that lg will update the camera problem?
and about the knock code: i think there is no way for the devs to disable the "6knocks3areas" rule? i love the knock code on lp and dont want to miss it
I think I will wait and see if LG can fix this problems or maybe a dev can

As far as I know the MM release is somewhat a beta release since it was only released in Poland. It being a beta, I guess it's normal to have a numerous amount of bugs. So better wait for the global final release before ranting out on unfinished beta software.

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Dont rly know what you talking about. Knock code for me works fine and camera FV 5 does the job well on every condition.
V30b is doing fine with and am most satisfied with batery life.
But looks like its just mz expiriance and its up to you if your going to wait for the nwxt relese or upgrade like me.
All the best .
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Ya works fine with me to. v30b is one smooth ride. knock code is only 2 more taps anyway so thats not to bad as far as camera goes it grand. Believe me LP sucks ass compared to this. do yourself a favor and flash+root v30b sure if you dont like it you can allways go back to lolipop ?

simple case of user error

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justyourimage said:
Each to their own. /TLDR. Narf.
If you come up with a claim at least try to put a reason behind it - everything else is just pure arrogance or simply said hot air venting from between the two bottom halves.
The JPG-Engine seemingly was downgraded just like the Camera is way less responsible and OIS (even while hardware-based) seems to be fcked up with their drivers introducing lag as such leading to blurry pictures under the same conditions that were absolutely fine on LP.
(And I don't have Parkinson)
Just ask kairi_zeroblade but I bet he's tired of those endless discussions with people that don't bring up reason or listen to those with more insight and technical knowledge (like him - I'm not even speaking about myself that is).
Like I said - each to their own. If you need to experience it yourselves and don't care you're free to do so.
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Heres my problem with your opinion. Which it is an opinion. As with most reviews people give on xda, people here already have a high expectation based on their technical experience or lack there of. Ive found that if i compare peoples reviews from xda to other sites or real world, youll find a really wide spread. Im not saying youre wrong but you project opinion off as fact. Even reading this reply to people you attack anyone disagreeing by saying they are sheep or arrogant. Ever heard of variance. Sure every device comea off the line "identical" but errors happen. If you have a defective phone to begin with a software update may not fix it. Its why you get people on so many places on a line. Ive been with android since the beginning and these kind of responses have always happened. Ive seen peolle post and say that "everyone " is having the issue and they should either not buy the device or not update. Xda is not representative at all of any real user base for a specific device. For anyone looking for whether or not to install something or update. Id say take everything with a grain of salt and read many reviews. In the end its hpw you see the device.
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Don't know what you're complaining about, ever since v30b was released, it completely changed my G3. The interface lags in Lollipop are gone, there was a 2sec stutter everytime I wanted to do something under 5.0. App switching is instant and the whole interface is running at 60Fps. In lollipop even the slide down menu was laggy as hell. I like the G4 UX and battery sleep time is actually a bit better than Lollipop. I'm extremely happy that LG kept updating the G3 and fixed a lot of problems, I will not update my phone this year. And I agree with @monkeypaws, a lot of people here praise stock based custom roms and kernels. The truth no one wants to hear on this forum is this : Stock based custom roms are 100% useless. You can do the debloating using Root Browser, you can install third party apps like App Ops or Kernel Auditor yourself. Custom Roms are not magic, a lot of people talk about how BUTTER SMOOTH this and SLEEP LIKE A BABY that and so on. Wake up, it's not any different than stock rom. So are custom kernels bumped to Linux 3.4.111 sources. Most of them are horrible in terms of battery saving because of 'Overclocking'. Apart from frying your already hot as a potato G3 on light use, you'll do nothing interesting to it.
The only noteworthy content in XDA are Cyanogenmods, AOSP, and the ports like on the Samsung scene, where the S6 edge features ported to the S5, or 5.1.1 ported to the S5 that was officially supported up to 5.0.2 only a few months back. There's actual work done, not some twelvie on Archikitchen feeling like a developer

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BrainlessDude said:
Well thx for your response! [emoji14]
im currently on fulmics 2.7 with xceed and its feeling really smooth. There is not a real reason for me to upgrad but i feel a bit outdated if i stay on lp. I know its stupid.
Im not using the camera for high quality shots at all but i also dont want to loose some of the quality. Is there any chance that lg will update the camera problem?
and about the knock code: i think there is no way for the devs to disable the "6knocks3areas" rule? i love the knock code on lp and dont want to miss it
I think I will wait and see if LG can fix this problems or maybe a dev can
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hi can yuo tell me which build of exceed kernel ? im also on fulmics v2.7 with exceed build 5 and somehow its a bit unresponsive or takes a few seconds to open an app or file explorer....thanks

boydb said:
hi can yuo tell me which build of exceed kernel ? im also on fulmics v2.7 with exceed build 5 and somehow its a bit unresponsive or takes a few seconds to open an app or file explorer....thanks
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For me,build 2a is still best.It's the most stable and battery friendly build for me.
Build 5 had poor battery timing for me and build 6 had several random reboots per day.Only thing I miss from latest builds is increased charging speed,but i can live without that

Gee thanks buddy...will give it a shot...

Hello everyone. I want to share with you my experience with Lg G3 2 gb version with stock android 6.0 mm. I have installed android mm on my device since 2 january. After one month of use i can say that updating to mm, for me ,was a very bad idea. I don't know how it is on other lg g3's but mine it got worse after the update. The camera is much worse than lp, memory management is just awful...multitasking became ussels...almost impossible, the phone is laggy and it stutter very bad. In my case lollipop was so much better than android mm. Only pros for the mm are the battery life and better looking UI. (sorry for my english, it's not my main language)

I find Marshmallow much better than Lollipop in the other hand.
Lollipop had bad battery life, performance was very inconsistent (sometimes it was fine, often I would get 10 second white screen hanging while launching apps like facebook, youtube, etc. ). But two worst things about Lollipop were often force closes of LG's launcher and invisible apps in Recents window. And all that was happening even though it was heavily tweaked to reduce the lag and preserve battery life. Quickcircle wasnt usable and practical at all (if you use it ofc).
Marshmallow has much better UI (all Lollipop UI bugs are fixed), performance is great and it's also CONSISTENT, just like battery life. I feel the camera is the same (IF YOU WANT TRUE CAMERA BUY A DSLR). Memory management is the same (it was good on Lollipop already). Quickcircle finally makes sense and it's practical.
If using stock roms, Lollipop is very unusable and need heavy tweaking until it's tolerable. Even then, Marshmallow is much more consistent and more responsive than heavily tweaked Lollipop and there are no random force closes.
If you are rooted, backup your existing Lollipop ROM, try out Fulmics MM ROM. If you dont like it, you can easily restore you LP ROM.

After all this different opinions i think i will wait for the global release. Fulmics 3.1 Rom seems to be good but maybe LG will fix some of their fails like knock code. LP is running pretty good for me so theres no real reason to upgrade
But thanks anyways!

I just wanted to say that xpirt managed to change the Knock Code in his MM Rom. Fulmics 3.5 has a 3 Taps Knock Code
So theres one probleme less. Maybe LG will fix their camera too

D851 worth getting today?

Hey guys, I'm not a must have flagship device or a crazy spender when it comes to phones. I tend to lean towards features, and developer support when it comes to phones. I'm still using the LG Optimus G e970 that I bought 2 years ago, and I think it's time for a change. The D851 has everything I'm looking for at a decent price, but I'm worried now after reading so many people are having boot loops, wifi issues, etc. Would it be a bad decision to buy this phone since it seems like it's facing a bunch of issues due to aging.
Thanks guys!

I just bought one last week. Refurbished. So far, so good. Still early to judge but this phone is so fast and smooth.
I am running stock with Marshmallow 6.0. I usually root but really I have no need to right now.

I got a mint used one with zero lemon 9k mah battery for 120, it's stock 6.0.1 rooted and debloated and works fantastic.

Thanks guys! I made the purchase with an extra battery!

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Thanks guys! I made the purchase with an extra battery!
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In my opinion, best phone for the price and features. I have had mine for nearly two years and it is still going strong. Just got a smart circle case with wireless charging and really happy with it. Developer support is also very good. I tried to run the Tmobile stock 6.0 but it was sluggish and Wifi calling could never connect. Using multirom, I can boot into LP for wifi calling if I need it. Fulmics is my main rom and I could not be happier with the features and performance.

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In my opinion, best phone for the price and features. I have had mine for nearly two years and it is still going strong. Just got a smart circle case with wireless charging and really happy with it. Developer support is also very good. I tried to run the Tmobile stock 6.0 but it was sluggish and Wifi calling could never connect. Using multirom, I can boot into LP for wifi calling if I need it. Fulmics is my main rom and I could not be happier with the features and performance.
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Could you tell me if bluetooth is working on Fulmics. Thanks

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Could you tell me if bluetooth is working on Fulmics. Thanks
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Bluetooth is working perfectly with the stock Fulmics kernel for me. I had tried a different kernel and it broke Bluetooth so I reverted back to avoid issues.

Everyone keeps talking about Fulmics.
May finally root my phone and try it!
How is the battery life?

My local store has one still BNIB collecting dust on the shelf, I didn't find out till after I got their last BNIB G4 and they didn't have any current price for it as corporate stopped updating that price list. I'm sort of thinking maybe I should have got it vs my G4 because of potential bootloop issues but my G4 was manufactured in April 2016 which is apparently after LG fixed the hardware problem. We'll see. I have half a mind to call them up tomorrow and see if I can get a current price on it.
I had a G3 on Verizon but didn't have it long enough to really make it shine. VZW installs so much freaking bloat that its kinda impossible to fairly judge a phone sometimes. Spec wise its honestly pretty close to the G4 although my G4 out of the box is the fastest phone I've had on an OEM rom and its not even close.

Definitely. I have had mine (bought it used) for 7 months now and have had no issues. I would recommend rooting and flashing a custom rom. Makes the phone so much better. It has the removable battery which is great, especially since the battery life is so-so. I can get through a whole day with it with moderate use so I guess it isn't that bad.

It's still a good phone, but look into the moto g4, double LTE speed capabilities. and double charging speed capabilities. Gotta keep up with the newest features
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LG G3 vs. G4 vs. G5
After watching dozens of YouTube videos making comparisons with these three phones, the G3 is still a great phone. The fact that you can buy one new very cheaply now is a plus. I am running Marshmallow now on mine with all of the latest updates. Stock 100%, but rooted and many of the apps frozen with Titanium Backup Pro. I NEVER have an issue with my phone. Battery life is excellent, I never drop calls, Wi-Fi calling works perfectly with my cable provider's router. The G4 and G5 look great but the "new improvements" are minimal at best. The newer models will cost you hundreds more, but the bells and whistles just are not there from what I have seen. An extra physical button or two would not sway me to upgrade this phone.

How did you guys root?

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How did you guys root?
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you can root 30D with Kingroot to get temporary root. Then use this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-lg-g3/development/stock-d851-30d-kdz-flashable-zips-imgs-t3367371

Pretty good.
Phone is pretty good. My main criticisms are the phones heat issue and rather dull screen. I haven't run custom ,don't know how much that helps.
Can anyone comment on what you would lose going custom ROM? Currently running stock Marshmallow 30D.

panamamike said:
Phone is pretty good. My main criticisms are the phones heat issue and rather dull screen. I haven't run custom ,don't know how much that helps.
Can anyone comment on what you would lose going custom ROM? Currently running stock Marshmallow 30D.
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As for heating issues -- only one thing will make the biggest difference: lowering the screen resolution to 1080p. That made the biggest difference in the world for me. But to do that, you would need to be on an AOSP rom.
Biggest thing you lose going custom is the camera quality. As for other things, with AOSP you lose the knock code to unlock feature (only feature from LG that I miss), and the LG apps if you actually like any of them. In general, you void your warranty by rooting, and you could run into some issues with some custom roms, Most common is lack of Bluetooth functionality, although many will have it working. It is a much greater experience than stock roms in my opinion and worth the loss. Worst comes to worst, and you go on a nice vacation where you need a good camera for pictures (i.e. hiking) then you could always restore your stock OS (backup is a must in TWRP once you are rooted) and use it for the vacation time, and go back to a custom rom once it is over

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As for heating issues -- only one thing will make the biggest difference: lowering the screen resolution to 1080p. That made the biggest difference in the world for me. But to do that, you would need to be on an AOSP rom.
Biggest thing you lose going custom is the camera quality. As for other things, with AOSP you lose the knock code to unlock feature (only feature from LG that I miss), and the LG apps if you actually like any of them. In general, you void your warranty by rooting, and you could run into some issues with some custom roms, Most common is lack of Bluetooth functionality, although many will have it working. It is a much greater experience than stock roms in my opinion and worth the loss. Worst comes to worst, and you go on a nice vacation where you need a good camera for pictures (i.e. hiking) then you could always restore your stock OS (backup is a must in TWRP once you are rooted) and use it for the vacation time, and go back to a custom rom once it is over
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Thanks for the input on what's lost. I've read about the camera issue. Good to know that's the biggest difference.
Actually if you're running Marshmallow there is a game optimizer mode that will drop the screen resolution to 1080p when gaming on stock. This is where most of the heat issues occur. There's also an option to reduce the resolution to 1080p for all apps. Both options require root.
That being said, even at 1080p the phone gets hotter than it should for gaming. The only other option I've found is the hardware thermal paste mod. Not willing to try it yet.

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Thanks for the input on what's lost. I've read about the camera issue. Good to know that's the biggest difference.
Actually if you're running Marshmallow there is a game optimizer mode that will drop the screen resolution to 1080p when gaming on stock. This is where most of the heat issues occur. There's also an option to reduce the resolution to 1080p for all apps. Both options require root.
That being said, even at 1080p the phone gets hotter than it should for gaming. The only other option I've found is the hardware thermal paste mod. Not willing to try it yet.
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For me the phone got hot even with just multitasking. I really don't game too much and it was heating up like crazy. 1080p fixed all those issues for me. I felt as though performance was slightly better on 1400p, contrary to popular belief. The antutu score also showed that as well. Still like 1080 better though

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After watching dozens of YouTube videos making comparisons with these three phones, the G3 is still a great phone. The fact that you can buy one new very cheaply now is a plus. I am running Marshmallow now on mine with all of the latest updates. Stock 100%, but rooted and many of the apps frozen with Titanium Backup Pro. I NEVER have an issue with my phone. Battery life is excellent, I never drop calls, Wi-Fi calling works perfectly with my cable provider's router. The G4 and G5 look great but the "new improvements" are minimal at best. The newer models will cost you hundreds more, but the bells and whistles just are not there from what I have seen. An extra physical button or two would not sway me to upgrade this phone.
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I love the phone too, but I don't believe there is root yet for the latest 30E update, hoping that changes soon.
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I have got to say my G3 is by far the best phone I've ever owned. I'm currently running Stock rooted 30D. I was thinking about flashing Fulmics ROM, but I read about losing of Bluetooth. I connect to my TV with HDMI Slimport adapter so I can play games on the big screen with my MOGA Power Pro gamepad. So losing Bluetooth is a deal breaker.
@aclegg2011 recently posted they're testing 30e Stock rooted.
Im still new user and can't yet post link to thread. Search Username and you should find it.

considering buying htc m9

hello,
i want something with fast up and download,
rootable for an ad free phone,
good camera
and good battery life
and dual front facing speakers
seems like the htc m9 can achieve all this with
rooting and various mods
how good can this phone become,
and will i need to keep rebuilding it every
week?
and does it have support for newer roms etc,
or will is it already "too old"?

I guess that all depends on what your previous phone is.
My previous phone was Samsung galaxy ace 2, so getting an HTC M9 is definitely a good upgrade. Performance, multitasking and pretty good camera. Mind you that it's not the best in its class but considering where I came from, it's really good.
As of software development, in terms of official support, we might get Oreo (still uncertain), but nougat is on the table.
Since there is no official support anymore most sense based custom rom developers are already hinting that there might not be any more updates. That leaves with aosp/los based custom rom, that sometimes have hiccups, and currently a bit slow in progressing.
Other than that it's quite a decent phone. I'm currently using Viperone 6.2.0 (Nougat) and it satisfies my need quite well.

current phone is an iphone5s
sick of how slow it's become
6-8 seconds to open the camera app
no more jailbreaking,
at the mercy of ads everywhere
did have an aquos once
hated
it lol
but want to go android again bc of above reasoks,
mostly i hate ads

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mostly i hate ads
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Well, if that's the criteria, any rootable phone should do it.
Xposed would enhance it further with minminguard.
Never had any issues with ads on every phone of mine with that config.

well,
i'd like a snappy camera too,
and battery life.
long pauses after a pic is taken is frustrating
and battery lasting only half a day sucks too
aftermarket waterproof cases are hard to find
for android too...

sorry if i'm too vague
how good is the htc camera after being modded/
custom rom?
comparible to iphone?
and does the battery life improve with custom
roms? how long can an htc m9 last with heavy
youtubing?

Well, the camera is decent enough, and fast enough for me. HDR is a bit slow, but most of the time it's good to take good images. Without hdr, it's really fast and not that bad.
I haven't used an iPhone thoroughly before though, so I can't really compare.
See the attached pictures from some of my shots with this phone. This is from sense-based custom roms. Aosp based custom roms is a bit worse, especially in dark conditions.
Battery life is only average on this phone. Most of the time it could last me the day on normal usage.
For exclusively YouTube, it should last 3-4 hours.
See my screenshot of battery usage, around 1 hour it drops 20%, and I was watching YouTube the whole time.

thank you for your detailed reply!

9kaze9 said:
thank you for your detailed reply!
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Well, you could always press the thanks button for a simple thanks ?