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"Don't keep activities" - anybody use it?

Love the phone but a few times the launcher has redrawn after exiting an app because of most likely memory issues. Anybody using this option? Assuming over time this would keep more memory free and reduce this issue. Any thoughts?
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mobilehavoc said:
Love the phone but a few times the launcher has redrawn after exiting an app because of most likely memory issues. Anybody using this option? Assuming over time this would keep more memory free and reduce this issue. Any thoughts?
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This is one of the reasons why I don't like that Google included these developer options pre-installed on this phone. They're developer options for a reason, we can install them if we need to.
This feature is designed so that developers can test their app to be sure that data is properly saved when is no longer in the foreground. For example, if a user receives a phone call or jumps to another app, the app needs to do what is necessary to save it's data. At times, Android can kill a process in the background. If the user plans to go back (perhaps they finished the phone call), they want to see what it is they were working on last. The developer is supposed to handle this case by rebuilding everything as it was before (to provide that seamless experience for the user when switching between apps).
This debug feature helps us test that it works.
For the average user, all you're really more likely to do is slow down your apps. As they will have to rebuild themselves when you resume them, and you may even open yourself to more quirky bugs (for those apps that didn't properly test the above scenario).
So please don't enable it unless you're doing it for development purposes. My 2 cents.
*EDIT* Here's a page from the Android Dev Guide justifying my explanation:
http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/debugging/debugging-devtools.html
Immediately destroy activities
Tells the system to destroy an activity as soon as it is stopped (as if Android had to reclaim memory). This is very useful for testing the onSaveInstanceState(Bundle) / onCreate(android.os.Bundle) code path, which would otherwise be difficult to force. Choosing this option will probably reveal a number of problems in your application due to not saving state. For more information about saving an activity's state, see the Activities document.
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(and yes, they used to call it "Immediately destroy activities")

Thanks. I turned it off. Did notice some bugs while on. I just wish with 1GB of RAM the launcher wouldnt have to reload. Hopefully things get better. Might just be my apps but it happens quite often when leaving the browser.
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mobilehavoc said:
Thanks. I turned it off. Did notice some bugs while on. I just wish with 1GB of RAM the launcher wouldnt have to reload. Hopefully things get better. Might just be my apps but it happens quite often when leaving the browser.
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weird.. how many widgets do you have on your launcher? the more widgets you have, the slower the launcher is.
Have you tried another launcher? The stock launcher has never been known for being fast and efficient, although I haven't had any issues with it (whereas I'm a LauncherPro fan on my other devices).

kwazi said:
weird.. how many widgets do you have on your launcher? the more widgets you have, the slower the launcher is.
Have you tried another launcher? The stock launcher has never been known for being fast and efficient, although I haven't had any issues with it (whereas I'm a LauncherPro fan on my other devices).
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I have quite a few Widgets but nothing too crazy I don't think. I use LauncherPro on my other devices as well but I love this new launcher so I'm going to stick it out. Like I said the most common task that causes the issue is when I'm using the web browser and then come out of it. Otherwise its been stable. I've noticed the same thing with Honeycomb on my Xoom so it might just be one of those things I have to put up with.
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i'm also noticing some redraw and occasional lag when hitting the home button.
I'm hoping that CM9's custom launcher will have an option to lock it in memory- that may increase the performance by a lot.
also when replacement launchers like go launcher start optimizing more for ICS those might be good options.

Have you tried converting your launcher into a system app? You'll need to use Titanium Backup Pro or something similar to do it for you, or simple copy the APK into your system/app folder... Really sped up my launcher!

shawnshine said:
Have you tried converting your launcher into a system app? You'll need to use Titanium Backup Pro or something similar to do it for you, or simple copy the APK into your system/app folder... Really sped up my launcher!
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Did you see the date on this thread, almost 8 months old
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95Z28 said:
Did you see the date on this thread, almost 8 months old
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... and yet people still continue to discover the thread and benefit from it.
Thanks for clarifying the meaning of "Don't keep activities"

my razr xt910 cannot be counted upon to run smoothly with all the apps simultaneously running and forcing itself to go into reboot. i then fancied an iPhone single styled system (as compared to Android multi-talks) cuz iPhone looks robust and responsive. all the killer that claimed to do the job looked more of a farce and then when i stumbled upon the destroy activity i was like OMG. srsly b4 using it I've only got just inner 100mb of ram, after using it i have a whooping 400mb ram. UI appears faster and all. regarding the relaunching of apps and battery life being used up. i think I'll start to worry about it on a later date. what say any body. ooh yes to add on, even after i deleted 40 apps on my phone it still hanged like fcuked. i guess i can reinstall them back again and not have to worry about it. btw i can't seem to root my xt910 for nuts so i can't custom ROM it along with all other fanciful mods that i hear about what others did to their phones.

Deep sleep?

How do I force my phone into the deep sleep mode. When I wake up I'd like to have a minimal drain on charge. Thanks.
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PoppaGrizzly said:
How do I force my phone into the deep sleep mode. When I wake up I'd like to have a minimal drain on charge. Thanks.
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Kill all background apps and install proper kernel, that's all you have to do.

PoppaGrizzly said:
How do I force my phone into the deep sleep mode. When I wake up I'd like to have a minimal drain on charge. Thanks.
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Put your phone on flight mode or get an app that organizes when your phone should be out of flight mode. I put mine on flight mode over night and my phone gets sleep at least 97percent of the time.
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I have everything on at night and get 1% drain maximum.
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Lukiqq said:
Kill all background apps and install proper kernel, that's all you have to do.
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I have titanium backup installed but I really don't like the freeze option due to the fact that a particular app is no longer really available in the app drawer. Is there a simple way to freeze an app?
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UtkarshGupta said:
I have everything on at night and get 1% drain maximum.
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Which rom are u on? And what exactly do you mean by 'everything'?
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Wanam2.8 and perseus32.1.
Everything means wifi gps sync or quick glance if I want it.
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Switch back to a 4.1.1 Rom

I have been saying this to each and everyone.
Don't revert to roms released before and in December.
The update in January contained a sds bug fix. It was a very critical bug.
Don't take for granted that Samsung will repair your phone in case of an sds bug issue. They may even say no and you'll be crying then. For God's sake don't downgrade.
Just imagine if you lose 5 months of messages, WhatsApp and what not.
All your pics. It's not worth not charging your phone everyday.
What's the problem. Just leave it charging overnight or when you aren't using it.
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UtkarshGupta said:
I have been saying this to each and everyone.
Don't revert to roms released before and in December.
The update in January contained a sds bug fix. It was a very critical bug.
Don't take for granted that Samsung will repair your phone in case of an sds bug issue. They may even say no and you'll be crying then. For God's sake don't downgrade.
Just imagine if you lose 5 months of messages, WhatsApp and what not.
All your pics. It's not worth not charging your phone everyday.
What's the problem. Just leave it charging overnight or when you aren't using it.
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The problem is I only got the note 2 for the battery life. I don't want to "settle" for a battery draining update. If I wanted to charge it every day then I would have got the htc one x+ or nexus 4.
Samsung better fix this soon.

Ok then you can play with it's battery when your phone dies due to sds.
Good luck and best wishes.
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UtkarshGupta said:
Ok then you can play with it's battery when your phone dies due to sds.
Good luck and best wishes.
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Mod edit: You are all great happy people

Hahahahahahaha Btw that advice is actually quiet sound, its better to be on LL7 or later with worse battery life but the sds bug fixed than being on earlier stock ROMs with cgances of sds.
Btw, I am on Indian MA6 and this works as well as the LL3 used to for me atleast.
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SacGuru said:
Hahahahahahaha Btw that advice is actually quiet sound, its better to be on LL7 or later with worse battery life but the sds bug fixed than being on earlier stock ROMs with cgances of sds.
Btw, I am on Indian MA6 and this works as well as the LL3 used to for me atleast.
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I'm still on 4.1.2 and unlikely to change back to 4.1.1. This is 99% due to the fact the browser in the older versions doesn't reflow text (like Nexus or HTC). Also, unfortunately due to the clowns at sky putting strict restrictions on their "Sky Go" app, it is not possible for me to use any of the custom roms as the app just does not work on them and there is no way around it.
I have to stick with stock and hope this drainage issue is sorted in the next update!

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fade2black101 said:
I'm still on 4.1.2 and unlikely to change back to 4.1.1. This is 99% due to the fact the browser in the older versions doesn't reflow text (like Nexus or HTC). Also, unfortunately due to the clowns at sky putting strict restrictions on their "Sky Go" app, it is not possible for me to use any of the custom roms as the app just does not work on them and there is no way around it.
I have to stick with stock and hope this drainage issue is sorted in the next update!
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I normally don't use the stock browser. Somehow have always preferred Dolphin. And as for the Sky thingy, I am actually trying to make my sister in London kick Sky away cos they so blatantly support Apple products over Android devices. I am not sure if this is the case even now but some months ago their apps refused to run on Android tabs, and worked only on Phones.
Edit : I just thought of this, you can always flash 4.1.1 stock right? It isn't as if your phone status will change on just flashing a stock ROM on an unrooted device. And even if it does, you can change it back to normal using triangle away and all. That would allow you to use sky without any prob.
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SacGuru said:
I normally don't use the stock browser. Somehow have always preferred Dolphin. And as for the Sky thingy, I am actually trying to make my sister in London kick Sky away cos they so blatantly support Apple products over Android devices. I am not sure if this is the case even now but some months ago their apps refused to run on Android tabs, and worked only on Phones.
Edit : I just thought of this, you can always flash 4.1.1 stock right? It isn't as if your phone status will change on just flashing a stock ROM on an unrooted device. And even if it does, you can change it back to normal using triangle away and all. That would allow you to use sky without any prob.
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I always used Dolphin too but doesn't support flash on JB. Have to do a titanium backup and restore of the ICS version to get it to work and it seems every so slightly buggy.
The reason I don't go back to 4.1.1 is because it doesn't support text reflow. Similarily, ive always been rooted and need to toggle it on and off because I use apps like directorybind given Samsung's idiotic decision to use the internal memory as "SDCard"

fade2black101 said:
I always used Dolphin too but doesn't support flash on JB. Have to do a titanium backup and restore of the ICS version to get it to work and it seems every so slightly buggy.
The reason I don't go back to 4.1.1 is because it doesn't support text reflow. Similarily, ive always been rooted and need to toggle it on and off because I use apps like directorybind given Samsung's idiotic decision to use the internal memory as "SDCard"
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If you are rooted, and sky does not work on modified devices, how do you get it to work? I need to get some apps feom my office to work on my root+stock device, but they normally don't start, displaying a message that 'Your device is modified'.
I tried directory bind for sometime, but found it to be a bit of a headache. Instead I use a simple script with ROM manager lite to switch external/internal storages. Found it on an external site, works flawlessly. I don't even have to backup game and audio/video data and when I flash a new rom now.
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PoppaGrizzly said:
How do I force my phone into the deep sleep mode. When I wake up I'd like to have a minimal drain on charge. Thanks.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2150322

Little off topic. My Wifi keeps On even on phone sleep. I already change the setting to never but still when I open the phone its already connected. any idea please?
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UtkarshGupta said:
I have everything on at night and get 1% drain maximum.
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I'm currently running on Omega V11 with stock kernel. If ever I flash the Persues Kernel, do i need to configure any settings of just a default in order for me to have a good battery life as you. thank you

Apps that can be safely Frozen or Removed

Thought this may be useful for everyone to have as the device does sadly have a tendency to be a bit laggy.
Have followed a few guides and got some great info from XDA so trying to give a little back if I can
From what I have done I have found no ill effects that I have noticed so far, all fairly obvious choices so early on, but will get braver as I get more used to the handset and I'm sure others have been more adventurous than me and can help bulk the list up a bit and we can do away with a whole bunch of bloat to get a smoother ride from out G3. Some of these I froze as I prefer other 3rd party apps.
Frozen/Removed
Cell Broadcast
E-Mail
Documents
File Manager
Internet/Stock Browser
LG Health
LG Search Widget Provider
LG Setup Wizard
McAfee Security
Messaging (stock)
Music
Video
Video Trim
Weather
Weather Theme
Weather Platform
If you have any other suggestions please post and and I'll add updates to Post 1 for easy reference :highfive:
Hope this helps some fellow G3 users

557953 said:
Thought this may be useful for everyone to have as the device does sadly have a tendency to be a bit laggy.
Have followed a few guides and got some great info from XDA so trying to give a little back if I can
From what I have done I have found no ill effects that I have noticed so far, all fairly obvious choices so early on, but will get braver as I get more used to the handset and I'm sure others have been more adventurous than me and can help bulk the list up a bit and we can do away with a whole bunch of bloat to get a smoother ride from out G3. Some of these I froze as I prefer other 3rd party apps.
If you have any other suggestions please post and and I'll add updates to Post 1 for easy reference :highfive:
Hope this helps some fellow G3 users
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I think you should do a different list for the Google apps, the main attention people will give this thread is to find out what LG apps they can freeze and remove, most people will not be interesting in removing the Google apps from their devices.

Lennyuk said:
I think you should do a different list for the Google apps, the main attention people will give this thread is to find out what LG apps they can freeze and remove, most people will not be interesting in removing the Google apps from their devices.
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Understood, you are most likely correct. Google Apps removed from list

If possible, can you post the real app name (the apk name in /system/app or /system/app-priv) ?
Thanks

Get my G3 later today. Thanks for the list! I'm completely new to Android, so how do I remove bloat ware?

you need to keep file manager if you wish to write to the extsd card
I've not been able to disable the mcafee software

walkerx said:
you need to keep file manager if you wish to write to the extsd card
I've not been able to disable the mcafee software
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I didn't find the apk by myself, but root uninstaller found somehow

Is freezing them through TB essentially a better version of hibernating them through Greenify?

alphamini said:
Is freezing them through TB essentially a better version of hibernating them through Greenify?
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They do different things. Freezing them is like uninstalling them - they are gone and won't work at all but can be retrieved by unfreezing. Greenifying them just hibernates them but they work as normal.

bartito said:
If possible, can you post the real app name (the apk name in /system/app or /system/app-priv) ?
Thanks
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Also in system/vendor/app. Found some stuff in there that tibu couldn't get rid of. Here's most of what I froze. If it's not in my list of frozen apps I deleted it lol
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Could we have a non-root list, and also a description of what gets disabled/broken for each one. E.g. what does Cell Broadcast do? (I've googled, I 'm now aware, not relevant currently in the UK).
ActionManager service? Board Content Provider?
I've found this list but most of the bloat on Verizon wasn't on mine, since I'm not in the US: http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-lg-g3/general/list-bloatware-safe-to-disable-t2819370

I wonder if anyone has the time, patience, and good will to compile all of these threads into one master index?
ohmegosh said:
Could we have a non-root list, and also a description of what gets disabled/broken for each one. E.g. what does Cell Broadcast do? (I've googled, I 'm now aware, not relevant currently in the UK).
ActionManager service? Board Content Provider?
I've found this list but most of the bloat on Verizon wasn't on mine, since I'm not in the US: http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-lg-g3/general/list-bloatware-safe-to-disable-t2819370
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I've noticed that the system doesn't allow you to disable everything if you're not rooted so maybe anything you are allowed to disable is safe to disable.
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drock212 said:
Also in system/vendor/app. Found some stuff in there that tibu couldn't get rid of. Here's most of what I froze. If it's not in my list of frozen apps I deleted it lol
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And how is everything working out after having disabled all those 3 weeks ago? Any anomalies or bad experiences? So far your screenshots give the best list of the removable apps (I'm completely new to LG so I don't know about their stock stuff), and I'd love to remove them but I'm afraid to experiment without a fully working recovery to restore nandroid.

Horcza said:
And how is everything working out after having disabled all those 3 weeks ago? Any anomalies or bad experiences? So far your screenshots give the best list of the removable apps (I'm completely new to LG so I don't know about their stock stuff), and I'd love to remove them but I'm afraid to experiment without a fully working recovery to restore nandroid.
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Everything is working great. Battery life is spectacular. There are 0 negative results to report.

drock212 said:
Everything is working great. Battery life is spectacular. There are 0 negative results to report.
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Awesome, thanks for the quick feedback! I just got a notification about a new downloadable software update (will not do it ofc), I suppose freezing the software update app will mean no more notifications and to setbacks either?

Horcza said:
Awesome, thanks for the quick feedback! I just got a notification about a new downloadable software update (will not do it ofc), I suppose freezing the software update app will mean no more notifications and to setbacks either?
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Correct. I have mine frozen to avoid receiving update notifications. Also this is good until you find out if the new update is rootable. If its not then its good to stick with the current software.

drock212 said:
Also in system/vendor/app. Found some stuff in there that tibu couldn't get rid of. Here's most of what I froze. If it's not in my list of frozen apps I deleted it lol
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My list is almost this one of yours. Had to unfreeze some of those because it made the home screen very lagged.

Everything Google uninstalled or frozen for over 2 weeks. No problems or complaints.

thanks the development has really taken off for this great device

So I froze most of these. Will it free up memory or do I have to delete them? Kinda scared to delete them. I have nandroid backup, just hate to possibly have to restore when the phone is running good.

New, fresh device - Extremely laggy homescreen

So I have got here a brand new LG G3 with hardly any apps installed. Even then, the default LG Home UI lags terribly. It keeps on redrawing and refreshing itself every time I exit an app and enter the homescreen. Is there a way to fix this? Thanks!

onetik said:
So I have got here a brand new LG G3 with hardly any apps installed. Even then, the default LG Home UI lags terribly. It keeps on redrawing and refreshing itself every time I exit an app and enter the homescreen. Is there a way to fix this? Thanks!
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Have you tried any of the lag fixes all around the forums?

jaimep01 said:
Have you tried any of the lag fixes all around the forums?
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Can't say I have. I am honestly just terrified at the sheer scale of the lag out of the box. Could kindly point me to some useful lagfixes? Thanks buddy!
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Don't panic , try to make a quick factory reset for your device it should solve the problem , if not and you don't want to waste more time by sending it back to the warranty , u can flash a new stock rom using either tot file or kdz , u can find both of the ways in one thread here .
keep us updated

I was about to complain about the same. I think 2gb/ 16 gb version have this launcher redrawing thing. But totally unprofessional approach for ui and launcher ram management. This is happening since d85520a what a shame.

Or, simply install Nova Launcher and have a quicker launcher with way more options as well. Win - win.
And yes, most if not all LG widgets will not work

cough LG cough. it's their launcher, don't stress about lag sir.
i'd also recommend nova launcher. :good:

onetik said:
So I have got here a brand new LG G3 with hardly any apps installed. Even then, the default LG Home UI lags terribly. It keeps on redrawing and refreshing itself every time I exit an app and enter the homescreen. Is there a way to fix this? Thanks!
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Did you update your firmware to the latest?

Rooted Users.. What have you gained?

I'm on the fence whether to root my device or not. The most alluring thing being the opportunity to get rid of Verizon's gimped note 7 software.
All those who have rooted... what have you specifically gained with your rooting? how is the sprint firmware?

Losing Samsung pay is a dealbreaker. I use it almost everyday
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androidbuff123 said:
I'm on the fence whether to root my device or not. The most alluring thing being the opportunity to get rid of Verizon's gimped note 7 software.
All those who have rooted... what have you specifically gained with your rooting? how is the sprint firmware?
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Well that's easy being able to use adblockers, greenify,and a system tuner is all reason for me to have root . Ov3rall you get a faster phone if you know what to do and better battery life as well.
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adaway...I hate ads in apps

adway alone is not a compelling reason for me. I use adguard which works fine (yes adway is free however).
Are there any specific gains on the firmware front?

Nothing beneficial. My battery is no better, I can't use Samsung pay, my gear app won't open so I can't use my promo watch.
I have no ads system wide though, but I was happier using Adguard for just chrome, package disabler to stop apps, and I was especially happier having everything everything work.

I just want the unlocked firmware so that I have samsung cloud the way samsung wanted it and not have to work around.

Still debating. Yes we get root but will be stuck with the ROM for a long time even after ota or any up to date updates. Is it worth to root now. Then unroot later? Or get used to not having root then be OK. Yes some ota might not be important but some might have issues fixed or new radio or what not but we can't move on or update the eng rom with all that. Unless I am completely wrong.
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cadcamaro said:
Nothing beneficial. My battery is no better, I can't use Samsung pay, my gear app won't open so I can't use my promo watch.
I have no ads system wide though, but I was happier using Adguard for just chrome, package disabler to stop apps, and I was especially happier having everything everything work.
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brentsalinas714 said:
Well that's easy being able to use adblockers, greenify,and a system tuner is all reason for me to have root . Ov3rall you get a faster phone if you know what to do and better battery life as well.
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Can all be done without root as seen in the post I quoted above yours. The phone has greenify built in btw lol The only one single thing I can think of that I would truly miss without root is xposed. Is it worth losing 3 other big features though? Don't know yet.

seh6183 said:
Can all be done without root as seen in the post I quoted above yours. The phone has greenify built in btw lol The only one single thing I can think of that I would truly miss without root is xposed. Is it worth losing 3 other big features though? Don't know yet.
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From what I can see, Xposed is installed through TWRP normally, but I haven't seen a way to install other than pushing through ADB.

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From what I can see, Xposed is installed through TWRP normally, but I haven't seen a way to install other than pushing through ADB.
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True. I haven't had a phone that was rooted but still bootloader locked for quite some time. They are something i associate with each other. Good catch. So for me, I essentially have no reason to root as of right now lol

For years I have rooted phones, and I have seen them get slower and slower.
I'm so happy to say that I see no real benefit to rooting anymore. Although AdGuard must be purchased, this app really eliminates the most compelling reason for me to root.
When I used Greenify and CPU Tuner on my older phones, I never saw any real benefit, and I think rooting may have done more harm than good. The only real benefit I would probably get by rooting is being able to fully remove the Verizon bloatware that I have already disabled.
Rooting is fun, it's more the pleasure of completing the process and the feel of living out of the manufacturer's boundaries. But, for once, I am happy to stay with the stock experience Samsung has cooked up.

People were saying Xposed and Viper were working which are huge. I went back because I want the old SNote functionality and this phone is so good I can live without it, but...
This just started. Every day these guys make a major improvement. A week from now we may have better than both worlds and be rooted, so withhold judgement, I would.

I've been rooting for years. It's a personal preference. I hate all the white on my phone. Using inverted apps, along with Custom Kernels really enhanced battery life for me. Of course adaway is awesome but there are alternatives. Inverted apps, Viper and status bar options are my rooting wants. Getting rid of the annoying volume warning, center my clock, ....... Damn there are a lot of reasons to root. Lol
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seh6183 said:
Can all be done without root as seen in the post I quoted above yours. The phone has greenify built in btw lol The only one single thing I can think of that I would truly miss without root is xposed. Is it worth losing 3 other big features though? Don't know yet.
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No it does not have greenify built in. Having the system only putting apps to sleep in 3 days is not greenify. Greenify is an on the fly app sleeper as well you can also greenify system apps.
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cadcamaro said:
Nothing beneficial. My battery is no better, I can't use Samsung pay, my gear app won't open so I can't use my promo watch.
I have no ads system wide though, but I was happier using Adguard for just chrome, package disabler to stop apps, and I was especially happier having everything everything work.
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Try using greenify app and a system tuner like 3c .
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cadcamaro said:
From what I can see, Xposed is installed through TWRP normally, but I haven't seen a way to install other than pushing through ADB.
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You can flash anything using flashfire.I have exposed installed using it .
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You can select or deselect apps to "optimize" at will if I'm not mistaken.

seh6183 said:
You can select or deselect apps to "optimize" at will if I'm not mistaken.
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Only puts apps to sleep if not used for 3 days minimum .
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The main reason I always rooted my phones was to use titanium backup. Had it back up the phone to the SD card every night. Saved me a couple of times. But after 2 years on the note 4 without root, I've learned to live without it. And now that I've started using Samsung Pay, I doubt I'll bother.

MSHampton said:
The main reason I always rooted my phones was to use titanium backup. Had it back up the phone to the SD card every night. Saved me a couple of times. But after 2 years on the note 4 without root, I've learned to live without it. And now that I've started using Samsung Pay, I doubt I'll bother.
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Samsung cloud backup does exactly what titanium does now. They are systematically removing all of our desires to root one by one. It's fine with me really. I just want to be able to install kernels. Then again those are getting so good it's not really a huge deal anymore.

It's a shame we lose so much with root, too much for it to be worth it IMO. Samsung/Android pay, VoLte, wifi calling, etc. The only thing I miss about root is xposed and a few of the modules, otherwise you can do most of that stuff on an unrooted phone.