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It appears that Samsung has disabled root at the kernel level on new kernels for the 9500 and 9505. It looks like Samsung is going back on developer community support in favor of enterprise security.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263788
I hope they don't do that to us in the states - originally I thought it was because of the Exynos exploits but the 9505 is a Snapdragon 600 device.
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It appears that Samsung has disabled root at the kernel level on new kernels for the 9500 and 9505. It looks like Samsung is going back on developer community support in favor of enterprise security.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263788
I hope they don't do that to us in the states - originally I thought it was because of the Exynos exploits but the 9505 is a Snapdragon 600 device.
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How can I get this phone, but I do not know if I like it very much
not have enough money to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EY3B5qG-hg&feature=youtu.be
What??
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EtherealRemnant said:
It appears that Samsung has disabled root at the kernel level on new kernels for the 9500 and 9505. It looks like Samsung is going back on developer community support in favor of enterprise security.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263788
I hope they don't do that to us in the states - originally I thought it was because of the Exynos exploits but the 9505 is a Snapdragon 600 device.
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What??
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this is also a very nice woman told
but I do not have money to take them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_HdFLYH1Vg
What?
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choto what ?
What do you think caused by continuous:cyclops:
Can we get on topic please?
This is worrisome stuff - it may not affect those of you with a device right now but if it ends up being enacted across the board, you better hope that you never break it.
This is the first time I've seen this implemented on the kernel level. It is by far the most effective way to prevent root as it keeps you from being able to switch to the root user. Without the ability to do that, all software exploits are worthless. And good luck exploiting the kernel itself.
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Can we get on topic please?
This is worrisome stuff - it may not affect those of you with a device right now but if it ends up being enacted across the board, you better hope that you never break it.
This is the first time I've seen this implemented on the kernel level. It is by far the most effective way to prevent root as it keeps you from being able to switch to the root user. Without the ability to do that, all software exploits are worthless. And good luck exploiting the kernel itself.
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Do they do this with a firmware upgrade? If so, would avoiding any OTA updates and only flashing Modded ROM's be a way to avoid it?
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Do they do this with a firmware upgrade? If so, would avoiding any OTA updates and only flashing Modded ROM's be a way to avoid it?
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I would assume yes.. and once youre rooted, you dont gotta worry about OTAs anyways....
OP suggested in another thread that this can be an issue if god forbid you need a replacement device..
I then stated that if we saved the backtostock file for the current firmware, this could possibly be avoided by flashing it through odin on a new device, but if samsung doesnt allow that by some means, were screwed
They're barring root at the kernel level on the i9500/i9505, but the difference with those models is that they have unlocked bootloaders and custom recovery with kernel source. It's possible to just install a custom recovery with ODIN and make a modified kernel (both of which are common practice in rooting anyway). They're just making it so that if you want to obtain root, you have to have physical access to the device to flash through ODIN, which is a lot safer in the long run. All this means is that Sally can't be exploited by running an APK or a malicious file to get root without her consent. (It also means that her "techy" boyfriend will have to understand ODIN to get root from now on,)
Are the phones shipping now locked?
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Are the phones shipping now locked?
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The T-Mo S4 has an unlocked bootloader. This is much ado about nothing. Read the last few pages of the thread.
i think we are flipping out over nothing. this is probably just for government phones. I think samsung is smart enough to know the heat they will get if they implement this across the board.
Worse comes to worse, carriers start to implement this, and tmobile doesnt seem interested in doing anything of the sort. the verizon and at&t guys are the ones that should be worried then.
but like i said before. making a mountain out of a molehill
It's for security reasons. You will still be able to install a custom kernel and have root. One minute people complain about an exploit the next they complain about not being secure.. it really isnt a big deal. Well I'm not a dev so I can't really say it's not a big deal but it is what it is and you'll still be able to have root.
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I'm not a dev so I can't really say it's not a big deal
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I am, I can, and I did. Truly nothing to see here folks. Mr. bird here read the thread and gets it right.
s4 is the best
For rooting purpose, not S4 but Sony Z1.
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They're barring root at the kernel level on the i9500/i9505, but the difference with those models is that they have unlocked bootloaders and custom recovery with kernel source. It's possible to just install a custom recovery with ODIN and make a modified kernel (both of which are common practice in rooting anyway). They're just making it so that if you want to obtain root, you have to have physical access to the device to flash through ODIN, which is a lot safer in the long run. All this means is that Sally can't be exploited by running an APK or a malicious file to get root without her consent. (It also means that her "techy" boyfriend will have to understand ODIN to get root from now on,)
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Come on now. How tech savvy does one have to be to use ODIN. Honestly, my MyTouch 3G was more difficult to root than this thing with ODIN. Point, click, profit. I'm sure all those "techy" boyfriends will be rooting Sammy phones just as easily as they do now. At some point someone will figure out a one click solution anyway.
I agree 100% though, this really is nothing to worry about. I welcome it honestly. Its a great bump for security. Given the current state of things with the NSA and whatever else trying to siphon data like damn vampires and hack everything in sight like Jason. Though I'd say this is more for businesses, we need all we can get. As it sits, we're about as bad off as Windows 95 would be on today's internet surfing warez sites.
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Odin Is pretty easy. I'm not that tech savvy with phones but when I had to use Odin I caught on quick.
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its a better discussion for all.....Samsung is locking out root at the kernel level
This is the first time I've seen this implemented on the kernel level. It is by far the most effective way
to prevent root as it keeps you from being able to switch to the root user. Without the ability to do that,
all software exploits are worthless. And good luck exploiting the kernel itself.
This is worrisome stuff - it may not affect those of you with a device right now but if it ends up being enacted
across the board, you better hope that you never break it.
Hi all,
So we have root and recovery now. Who is the right person to ask, in order to get a custom kernel? Perhaps someone who has developed for the Note III s800? Any ideas? :fingers-crossed:
I primarily seek fsync off, touchdemand governor and overclocking. I don't mind sacrificing battery time.
delanvital said:
Hi all,
So we have root and recovery now. Who is the right person to ask, in order to get a custom kernel? Perhaps someone who has developed for the Note III s800? Any ideas? :fingers-crossed:
I primarily seek fsync off, touchdemand governor and overclocking. I don't mind sacrificing battery time.
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Hi
Did you find a Custom Kernel for the P605 ???
I also searching for it since 2 weeks.
If it isn't on XDA than it probably doesn't exist yet. I hate it too I thought a major flagship device would get more developer love but KNOX seems to be a major deterent to the devs. Perhaps of interest is the Note 3 thread where they've raised about 3K to reset the Knox flag. If/when this happens I believe that development will startstart to take off. Just my 2¢
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LordKoga said:
If it isn't on XDA than it probably doesn't exist yet. I hate it too I thought a major flagship device would get more developer love but KNOX seems to be a major deterent to the devs. Perhaps of interest is the Note 3 thread where they've raised about 3K to reset the Knox flag. If/when this happens I believe that development will startstart to take off. Just my 2¢
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Not too likely as Chainfire and a couple other big names pretty much gave up... If, as was suspected, Knox is an eFuse than it is pretty much NOT going to get fixed.
If Samsung have an app that re-directs to a different eFuse and we got hold of this app it would still only be good for a certain amount of time... After all eFuses are burnt out there will be no way to reset Knox.. But how many eFuses might you have?
Can any one tell me if there are roms for note 10.1 2014 edition? thanks!
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Can any one tell me if there are roms for note 10.1 2014 edition? thanks!
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Check the "Android Development" section... you'll find em' there. (You might want to try searching as most topics already have threads and you can get the info a lot faster)
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ZFlip_1301 said:
Can any one tell me if there are roms for note 10.1 2014 edition? thanks!
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Do a search through the forums, and you will find your answer. Android Development has the ROMs and Original Android Development has the custom recovery needed.
Problem is that most users are skeptical about rooting since they will lose their warranty support from Samsung (trip counter). Until a root work around is found, I wouldn't expect any spectacular Roms or support..
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Problem is that most users are skeptical about rooting since they will lose their warranty support from Samsung (trip counter). Until a root work around is found, I wouldn't expect any spectacular Roms or support..
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CleanROM is on version 2.0 for this tablet and is great. Much smoother and quicker than stock, and is de-odexed so all the cool Wanam add-ons can be applied.
[ROM][1/10/14][P600] - CleanROM 2.0 R2 -★| ML1 | Aroma | Smooth | Stable | Clean |★
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2577389
Read through the thread and you will see plenty of members that rooted just for that ROM, and are very happy they did.
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Problem is that most users are skeptical about rooting since they will lose their warranty support from Samsung (trip counter). Until a root work around is found, I wouldn't expect any spectacular Roms or support..
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This is not true. You "might" not get warranty repair for software problems. If you brick your device because you don't know what you what you're doing... Do you really expect them to fix it any way?
Knox tripped or not, you will still have warranty service for hard ware related defects. Most common problems are physical buttons going bad, defective screen, etc.
Development on this device is fine, it's an expensive tab, not a ton of people have it. When the US let version comes out, my bet is you will see a lot more development
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This is not true. You "might" not get warranty repair for software problems. If you brick your device because you don't know what you what you're doing... Do you really expect them to fix it any way?
Knox tripped or not, you will still have warranty service for hard ware related defects. Most common problems are physical buttons going bad, defective screen, etc.
Development on this device is fine, it's an expensive tab, not a ton of people have it. When the US let version comes out, my bet is you will see a lot more development
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I don't know, compadre, this is a really slow start. I'm thinking that I may have bought into a flop device and that most people will be going for the PRO line.
I've also never had to warranty out any of my Sammy devices, of which I've had many. I did have to RMA my Note 10.1 due to superbrick - emmc bug though, it was so knackered they didn't even care to check the flash counter. Glad I got the new one from BB, pretty sure they wont know how or be inclined to check the Knox bit.
There is very little risk in solely rooting and installing a custom recovery, unless there is something like the aforementioned emmc bug. Voiding the manufacturer's warranty should be of little consequence and more of a forgone conclusion when modifying your device. You break it, you buy it. Everyone who mods their device, especially from the kernel down, should know and accept that responsibility.
Hi everyone, I just had my phone repaired at the factory, sent in with a stock T-Mobile 4.2.2 ROM, but came back with KNOX.
I HAVE NOT booted the phone up -- I put it into download mode only to see the KNOX flags. But it's probably been booted before for testing at the factory.
Is there anything I should/can do before I turn it on normally (to help with ridding myself of KNOX problems)?
Eventually, I want to root it and/or install a custom ROM.
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Hi everyone, I just had my phone repaired at the factory, sent in with a stock T-Mobile 4.2.2 ROM, but came back with KNOX.
I HAVE NOT booted the phone up -- I put it into download mode only to see the KNOX flags. But it's probably been booted before for testing at the factory.
Is there anything I should/can do before I turn it on normally (to help with ridding myself of KNOX problems)?
Eventually, I want to root it and/or install a custom ROM.
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You can go ahead and boot up. There's nothing you can do right now at this moment that will save you versus later in time.
If they wiped your data and you're starting fresh, you may want to look into it soon as so you don't gain personal data which then you'll need to back up (extra step).
As for rooting/custom roms I cannot speak for the S4 but I can look into it if requested. But you could (I mean hopefully..) search the forums just as well as I can, so..
Hope this helps,
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Yup, I will search away. Just good to confirm that turning it on won't do me a disservice. Thanks!!
Chainfire like usual. Custom recovery. Will trip Knox. But only problem is a warning message on boot up.
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Chainfire like usual. Custom recovery. Will trip Knox. But only problem is a warning message on boot up.
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Warnings don't bother me, but I would like to have the ability to reset the KNOX flag in case the phone needs to go back for warranty repair.
Is KNOX resettable to zero in that way or is it irreversible?
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Warnings don't bother me, but I would like to have the ability to reset the KNOX flag in case the phone needs to go back for warranty repair.
Is KNOX resettable to zero in that way or is it irreversible?
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Sadly once KNOX is tripped there is no going back
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j111 said:
Warnings don't bother me, but I would like to have the ability to reset the KNOX flag in case the phone needs to go back for warranty repair.
Is KNOX resettable to zero in that way or is it irreversible?
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It is programmatically permanent. Meaning that there isn't a method of resetting it via software but only by hardware (board replacement etc). There will soon be a Riffbox solution where you can reflash the bootloader by a serial port, you will undoubtedly have to solder the tiny wires to the microscopic solder points on the board. (Yikes) We hope to god that someone finds a knox exploit soon.
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Thanks everyone for the replies!
WOW! Hard to believe. So no one with a newer S4 or S5 can root without voiding warranty? No going back? That's terrible.
I wonder if this means less people are rooting these days. Darn, I want to get rid of bloat, but warranty is important to me.
I assumed with the advent of the S5, someone had figured it out. Here's to hoping someone does.
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Thanks everyone for the replies!
WOW! Hard to believe. So no one with a newer S4 or S5 can root without voiding warranty? No going back? That's terrible.
I wonder if this means less people are rooting these days. Darn, I want to get rid of bloat, but warranty is important to me.
I assumed with the advent of the S5, someone had figured it out. Here's to hoping someone does.
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People have been reporting that they have sent there phone in on a warranty with KNOX tripped to 0x1 and getting it back with KNOX set back to 0x0. I guess it's a hit or miss.
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People have been reporting that they have sent there phone in on a warranty with KNOX tripped to 0x1 and getting it back with KNOX set back to 0x0. I guess it's a hit or miss.
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I have yet to hear a report about warrenty being denied due to knox. So it's not a real worry. At least not yet.
If you can make and receive calls your good. It's not that bad,
Pp.
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If you can make and receive calls your good. It's not that bad,
Pp.
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Yeah Knox is like Herpes. You can't get rid of it, but its only annoying once in a while. Usually it doesn't affect you.
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How fast does KNOX increase?
Does Knox increase EVERY time you load a new ROM, or a new recovery, or re-root?
That is, once it goes to 0x1 does it stay there, or if you are playing around a lot, does it quickly go 0x2, 0x3, and up and up and up?
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Does Knox increase EVERY time you load a new ROM, or a new recovery, or re-root?
That is, once it goes to 0x1 does it stay there, or if you are playing around a lot, does it quickly go 0x2, 0x3, and up and up and up?
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It stays at 0x1. Nothing happens to your phone in general. It still operates the same.
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I think it goes up, have read in the forum about counter going up to 3+.
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I think it goes up, have read in the forum about counter going up to 3+.
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Thats a first for me. How and why would it go up? Just curious.
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Don't know, I'm on the MDL bootloader, but have heard of the count going uo.
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No. The knox counter does not go up. Its either tripped or it isnt.
The flash counter goes up everytime you flash something in odin, but not when you flash stuff in recovery.
Flash counter and knox are 2 different things
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No. The knox counter does not go up. Its either tripped or it isnt.
The flash counter goes up everytime you flash something in odin, but not when you flash stuff in recovery.
Flash counter and knox are 2 different things
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Well, if you've been flashing ROMs for a while without bricking or messing up your phone, then tripping KNOX shouldn't be an issue. All KNOX is is an alarm for Samsung to know if you've done anything to void your device. So if you ever do brick your phone or anything, even if it's hardware issue on their end, they can then say you're the blame just because they know you tampered with it. Even if it's their own fault. But if you know what you're doing, then it really doesn't matter. And they still won't really know until you try and turn it in one day and they look to see if the trip counter is 0x1 or 2 or 3. If it's 0x0 then it's good to them.
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That is just not correct. Knox is absolutely not just a way for Samsung to see if you have messed with the phone.
Its a security feature to allow the device to qualify as a secure system for business use. Some enterprise software won't work if the knox flag is tripped. That allows it to be more secure as you can't simply hide root so a root checking app will still function.
This prevents data theft for businesses. That is what knox is there for. It was not put in as a warranty check.
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Searched a little and didnt get a real answer...so im looking to do this and run a Note 5 rom.
Thanks
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Searched a little and didnt get a real answer...so im looking to do this and run a Note 5 rom.
Thanks
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Not gonna happen, so either root and rom or keep Knox.
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Not gonna happen, and aren't u already running sac's rom, u tripped Knox!
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I havent rooted yet...i want to
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Hmm ok...im on lease with phone so after 2 years i can get a new phone...so will trippong knox hurt me??
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Why do you care about tripping Knox? It doesn't do anything unless your phone is managed. Knox is good for companies that manage your phone so you can isolate company usage from personal usage. Otherwise it just sits there and does nothing. The only reason Knox complains when you root your phone is that it's no longer secure for being managed.
If you're ever in a situation where your company wants to manage your phone, just re-flash unrooted stock, and Knox will work again.
Technically, you're breaking your contract by flashing your phone, but as far as I know, nobody ever checks that at trade-in time.