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Im just using the stock gs3 from tmo.
If you all would be so kind as to give me a few pros/cons to root for this phone.
Im am not concerned about voiding warranty.
Im wondering if there are any immediate perks to being rooted:
like bypassing tmo's restriction on wifi hotspot; to my knowledge, tmo now only lets their customers use wifi hotspot with the 5gb plan and not the 2gb plan.
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I'm short on time right now but if you root your phone you can download an app called wifi tether, which requires root permission, then you use your phone data on your laptop all you want.
With a rooted phone you can also download new roms that people develope and try out a lot of new functions before the official update.
You are more exposed to security risks once you root your phone I believe, but just don't install apps from random sites
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I really see no cons to rooting except warranty which isn't really true. If you study the warranty and know your stuff you can verbally defend your right to root and not lose warranty.
Pros: everything.
I do not see the point of having a non rooted android phone with some sort of recovery.. Custom ROMs, themes and titanium backup for all your apps
here ya go http://bit.ly/UUaCxg
Don't do it and please leave.
All you need to do is read over all the great threads around here to form a decision.
To root.
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Ive rooted before and I have explored almost all the developers' work on other phones.
Just to clarify im asking about this phone specifically. The first guy already answered my biggest concern about the wifi hotspot.
If you guys can think of any other immediate perks like: unwarranted tmo restrictions that are resolved via rooting this phone.
I will never go back to bone stock gs3 because I would miss out on _________.
Im already aware of the capability to "pirate" most paid apps.
Also there's the possibility of finding a more buttery smooth rom than the stock rom of course.
Extra battery life via underclocking with an aftermarket kernel is obviously another big one, but things im looking for are things on the same level as how rooting allows me to bypass the wifi hotspot limitations that tmo put on the 2gb plan
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I'd say that if you just want a phone to work and don't get about any extra stuff, don't bother rooting it. If you're interested in modifying your phone and basically being capable of doing A LOT more than you can with stock, root it.
Just make sure you do a lot of research before you do anything. I read hundreds of pages on this forum before I did anything just in case.
Adfree app, which requires root, changes everything for the better.
I mainly use my root for ad block, titanium backup, and maybe delete gsiff_daemon (didn't delete it yet because it hasn't tried to kill my battery yet). Something else that could be useful maybe GMD gesture control
There are a lot of nice apps that require root. Even if you don't have any apps in mind now, at some point you'll probably come across one you want and you'll kick yourself for not having gotten around to rooting yet. Besides tripping the flash counter and warranties the only con is the possibility of failing miserably and bricking your phone, but as long as you follow instructions you'll be fine.
ability to flash different radios for better/worse signal.
ability to flash different roms for better/worse battery life.
I have rooted every Android I have had in the Nexus One/Mytouch4G/HTC Amaze....and have had my s3 for a good 4 months now and have yet to root it.
Just meets my current needs and runs awesome without root.
I may one day, but honestly don't have the time or want right now.
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Jesse im in the same boat, the phone is already pretty snappy...
Im considering rooting it though to bypass tmo's restriction on wifi hotspot, and to be able to use google voice as my voicemail.
When I finally do root ill be looking forward to checking out the endless development for this popular device
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I have rooted every Android I have had in the Nexus One/Mytouch4G/HTC Amaze....and have had my s3 for a good 4 months now and have yet to root it.
Just meets my current needs and runs awesome without root.
I may one day, but honestly don't have the time or want right now.
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Took me 2 months to root mine... for the same reasons. Stock runs just fine... im just too into the customizations so I broke down nland rooted
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Took me 2 months to root mine... for the same reasons. Stock runs just fine... im just too into the customizations so I broke down nland rooted
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2 months? I know better
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2 months? I know better
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It did... u know it did. U buggee me till i did only to finally root yourself just so u can stay on stock rooted as always
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I rooted my phone mostly for Sixaxis. I play a a lot of emulators. Paired with the Gameklip I'm living the dream.
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It did... u know it did. U buggee me till i did only to finally root yourself just so u can stay on stock rooted as always
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Lmao...I gave wicked a shot, along with slim bean and something else I don't recall
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It appears that Samsung has disabled root at the kernel level on new kernels for the 9500 and 9505. It looks like Samsung is going back on developer community support in favor of enterprise security.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263788
I hope they don't do that to us in the states - originally I thought it was because of the Exynos exploits but the 9505 is a Snapdragon 600 device.
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It appears that Samsung has disabled root at the kernel level on new kernels for the 9500 and 9505. It looks like Samsung is going back on developer community support in favor of enterprise security.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263788
I hope they don't do that to us in the states - originally I thought it was because of the Exynos exploits but the 9505 is a Snapdragon 600 device.
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How can I get this phone, but I do not know if I like it very much
not have enough money to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EY3B5qG-hg&feature=youtu.be
What??
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EtherealRemnant said:
It appears that Samsung has disabled root at the kernel level on new kernels for the 9500 and 9505. It looks like Samsung is going back on developer community support in favor of enterprise security.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263788
I hope they don't do that to us in the states - originally I thought it was because of the Exynos exploits but the 9505 is a Snapdragon 600 device.
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bbobarino said:
What??
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this is also a very nice woman told
but I do not have money to take them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_HdFLYH1Vg
What?
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What?
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choto what ?
What do you think caused by continuous:cyclops:
Can we get on topic please?
This is worrisome stuff - it may not affect those of you with a device right now but if it ends up being enacted across the board, you better hope that you never break it.
This is the first time I've seen this implemented on the kernel level. It is by far the most effective way to prevent root as it keeps you from being able to switch to the root user. Without the ability to do that, all software exploits are worthless. And good luck exploiting the kernel itself.
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Can we get on topic please?
This is worrisome stuff - it may not affect those of you with a device right now but if it ends up being enacted across the board, you better hope that you never break it.
This is the first time I've seen this implemented on the kernel level. It is by far the most effective way to prevent root as it keeps you from being able to switch to the root user. Without the ability to do that, all software exploits are worthless. And good luck exploiting the kernel itself.
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Do they do this with a firmware upgrade? If so, would avoiding any OTA updates and only flashing Modded ROM's be a way to avoid it?
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Do they do this with a firmware upgrade? If so, would avoiding any OTA updates and only flashing Modded ROM's be a way to avoid it?
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I would assume yes.. and once youre rooted, you dont gotta worry about OTAs anyways....
OP suggested in another thread that this can be an issue if god forbid you need a replacement device..
I then stated that if we saved the backtostock file for the current firmware, this could possibly be avoided by flashing it through odin on a new device, but if samsung doesnt allow that by some means, were screwed
They're barring root at the kernel level on the i9500/i9505, but the difference with those models is that they have unlocked bootloaders and custom recovery with kernel source. It's possible to just install a custom recovery with ODIN and make a modified kernel (both of which are common practice in rooting anyway). They're just making it so that if you want to obtain root, you have to have physical access to the device to flash through ODIN, which is a lot safer in the long run. All this means is that Sally can't be exploited by running an APK or a malicious file to get root without her consent. (It also means that her "techy" boyfriend will have to understand ODIN to get root from now on,)
Are the phones shipping now locked?
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Are the phones shipping now locked?
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The T-Mo S4 has an unlocked bootloader. This is much ado about nothing. Read the last few pages of the thread.
i think we are flipping out over nothing. this is probably just for government phones. I think samsung is smart enough to know the heat they will get if they implement this across the board.
Worse comes to worse, carriers start to implement this, and tmobile doesnt seem interested in doing anything of the sort. the verizon and at&t guys are the ones that should be worried then.
but like i said before. making a mountain out of a molehill
It's for security reasons. You will still be able to install a custom kernel and have root. One minute people complain about an exploit the next they complain about not being secure.. it really isnt a big deal. Well I'm not a dev so I can't really say it's not a big deal but it is what it is and you'll still be able to have root.
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I'm not a dev so I can't really say it's not a big deal
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I am, I can, and I did. Truly nothing to see here folks. Mr. bird here read the thread and gets it right.
s4 is the best
For rooting purpose, not S4 but Sony Z1.
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They're barring root at the kernel level on the i9500/i9505, but the difference with those models is that they have unlocked bootloaders and custom recovery with kernel source. It's possible to just install a custom recovery with ODIN and make a modified kernel (both of which are common practice in rooting anyway). They're just making it so that if you want to obtain root, you have to have physical access to the device to flash through ODIN, which is a lot safer in the long run. All this means is that Sally can't be exploited by running an APK or a malicious file to get root without her consent. (It also means that her "techy" boyfriend will have to understand ODIN to get root from now on,)
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Come on now. How tech savvy does one have to be to use ODIN. Honestly, my MyTouch 3G was more difficult to root than this thing with ODIN. Point, click, profit. I'm sure all those "techy" boyfriends will be rooting Sammy phones just as easily as they do now. At some point someone will figure out a one click solution anyway.
I agree 100% though, this really is nothing to worry about. I welcome it honestly. Its a great bump for security. Given the current state of things with the NSA and whatever else trying to siphon data like damn vampires and hack everything in sight like Jason. Though I'd say this is more for businesses, we need all we can get. As it sits, we're about as bad off as Windows 95 would be on today's internet surfing warez sites.
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Odin Is pretty easy. I'm not that tech savvy with phones but when I had to use Odin I caught on quick.
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its a better discussion for all.....Samsung is locking out root at the kernel level
This is the first time I've seen this implemented on the kernel level. It is by far the most effective way
to prevent root as it keeps you from being able to switch to the root user. Without the ability to do that,
all software exploits are worthless. And good luck exploiting the kernel itself.
This is worrisome stuff - it may not affect those of you with a device right now but if it ends up being enacted
across the board, you better hope that you never break it.
Upgraded from a note 2 to a 3 and I'm loving it. I always root and are coming from jedi roms. Is the note 3 that noticeably better rooted? I've read alot of threads where people have many problems. I genuinely wanna root asap but are hesitant. Someone help push me over the edge to flash land
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GhostZini said:
Upgraded from a note 2 to a 3 and I'm loving it. I always root and are coming from jedi roms. Is the note 3 that noticeably better rooted? I've read alot of threads where people have many problems. I genuinely wanna root asap but are hesitant. Someone help push me over the edge to flash land
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Ok. Let me push you over the edge. I had never considered rooting a phone until I got the note 3. I decided to root so I could customise the pen widow ap. It has been the best thing that I have ever done with a phone. Yes the note 3 can be a little temperamental when attempting to flash ROMS but there is a lot of support and if you need help pm me and I will help to get you going. Going to put in a plug here for my ROM of choice. JEDI ROMS are good but I have not found a better setup so far than X-Note. Any questions about it and I will be glad to answer. Don't let other people's problems change your mind about rooting. This is a must root device.
Thanks mate, is that compatible with tmobile. I checked thread and it looks pretty sweet. I liked the air command themes. I got some questions, I'll pm you
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Totally worth it man. Very easy to do as well. Not only the customizations mentioned above but also aosp roms and such are wonderful. W03 Slim is fantastic!
It's so easy to unroot the phone and go back to stock, so you might as well give it a shot and see how you like it. Unless you're completely incompetent then nothing too bad should come out of it. I personally like having my phone rooted without any custom ROMS. But that's just me, a lot of others would say different.
I am hoping to unlock SIM for a t-mobile phone / region unlock. I understand I can do that by rooting it. Can I root and leave it with stock firmware, and will I get OTA updates? Also, is it safe and easy to unroot. IF it's unrooted, will they know it was rooted (i.e. warranty void?)
Thanks
Rooting doesn't void warranty either. I was skeptical too. Rooted on 4.3 and loving it.
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Rooting doesn't void warranty either. I was skeptical too. Rooted on 4.3 and loving it.
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Waiting for my phone. Hopefully it's still on 4.3. So can someone confirm I understand everything all this correctly.
I can root with Root de vega (if still on older firmware) and it won't trigger anything to void warranty. I just want to use region unlock to try unlock the sim/region. After that...I can either unroot? or keep it root. IF I keep it root...but I want the latest firmware (not custom)...is that possible? I've seen video about flashing the firmware from Sammobile with Odin which brings it back to unroot stock...but what if I just want the newest stock firmware without unrooting? Do I need some other recovery and flash something else? Will putting in different recovery cuz the warranty tracker to trigger?
Hi everyone, I just had my phone repaired at the factory, sent in with a stock T-Mobile 4.2.2 ROM, but came back with KNOX.
I HAVE NOT booted the phone up -- I put it into download mode only to see the KNOX flags. But it's probably been booted before for testing at the factory.
Is there anything I should/can do before I turn it on normally (to help with ridding myself of KNOX problems)?
Eventually, I want to root it and/or install a custom ROM.
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Hi everyone, I just had my phone repaired at the factory, sent in with a stock T-Mobile 4.2.2 ROM, but came back with KNOX.
I HAVE NOT booted the phone up -- I put it into download mode only to see the KNOX flags. But it's probably been booted before for testing at the factory.
Is there anything I should/can do before I turn it on normally (to help with ridding myself of KNOX problems)?
Eventually, I want to root it and/or install a custom ROM.
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You can go ahead and boot up. There's nothing you can do right now at this moment that will save you versus later in time.
If they wiped your data and you're starting fresh, you may want to look into it soon as so you don't gain personal data which then you'll need to back up (extra step).
As for rooting/custom roms I cannot speak for the S4 but I can look into it if requested. But you could (I mean hopefully..) search the forums just as well as I can, so..
Hope this helps,
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Yup, I will search away. Just good to confirm that turning it on won't do me a disservice. Thanks!!
Chainfire like usual. Custom recovery. Will trip Knox. But only problem is a warning message on boot up.
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Chainfire like usual. Custom recovery. Will trip Knox. But only problem is a warning message on boot up.
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Warnings don't bother me, but I would like to have the ability to reset the KNOX flag in case the phone needs to go back for warranty repair.
Is KNOX resettable to zero in that way or is it irreversible?
j111 said:
Warnings don't bother me, but I would like to have the ability to reset the KNOX flag in case the phone needs to go back for warranty repair.
Is KNOX resettable to zero in that way or is it irreversible?
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Sadly once KNOX is tripped there is no going back
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j111 said:
Warnings don't bother me, but I would like to have the ability to reset the KNOX flag in case the phone needs to go back for warranty repair.
Is KNOX resettable to zero in that way or is it irreversible?
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It is programmatically permanent. Meaning that there isn't a method of resetting it via software but only by hardware (board replacement etc). There will soon be a Riffbox solution where you can reflash the bootloader by a serial port, you will undoubtedly have to solder the tiny wires to the microscopic solder points on the board. (Yikes) We hope to god that someone finds a knox exploit soon.
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Thanks everyone for the replies!
WOW! Hard to believe. So no one with a newer S4 or S5 can root without voiding warranty? No going back? That's terrible.
I wonder if this means less people are rooting these days. Darn, I want to get rid of bloat, but warranty is important to me.
I assumed with the advent of the S5, someone had figured it out. Here's to hoping someone does.
j111 said:
Thanks everyone for the replies!
WOW! Hard to believe. So no one with a newer S4 or S5 can root without voiding warranty? No going back? That's terrible.
I wonder if this means less people are rooting these days. Darn, I want to get rid of bloat, but warranty is important to me.
I assumed with the advent of the S5, someone had figured it out. Here's to hoping someone does.
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People have been reporting that they have sent there phone in on a warranty with KNOX tripped to 0x1 and getting it back with KNOX set back to 0x0. I guess it's a hit or miss.
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Kriptik210 said:
People have been reporting that they have sent there phone in on a warranty with KNOX tripped to 0x1 and getting it back with KNOX set back to 0x0. I guess it's a hit or miss.
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I have yet to hear a report about warrenty being denied due to knox. So it's not a real worry. At least not yet.
If you can make and receive calls your good. It's not that bad,
Pp.
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If you can make and receive calls your good. It's not that bad,
Pp.
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Yeah Knox is like Herpes. You can't get rid of it, but its only annoying once in a while. Usually it doesn't affect you.
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How fast does KNOX increase?
Does Knox increase EVERY time you load a new ROM, or a new recovery, or re-root?
That is, once it goes to 0x1 does it stay there, or if you are playing around a lot, does it quickly go 0x2, 0x3, and up and up and up?
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Does Knox increase EVERY time you load a new ROM, or a new recovery, or re-root?
That is, once it goes to 0x1 does it stay there, or if you are playing around a lot, does it quickly go 0x2, 0x3, and up and up and up?
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It stays at 0x1. Nothing happens to your phone in general. It still operates the same.
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I think it goes up, have read in the forum about counter going up to 3+.
Pp.
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I think it goes up, have read in the forum about counter going up to 3+.
Pp.
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Thats a first for me. How and why would it go up? Just curious.
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Don't know, I'm on the MDL bootloader, but have heard of the count going uo.
Pp.
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No. The knox counter does not go up. Its either tripped or it isnt.
The flash counter goes up everytime you flash something in odin, but not when you flash stuff in recovery.
Flash counter and knox are 2 different things
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No. The knox counter does not go up. Its either tripped or it isnt.
The flash counter goes up everytime you flash something in odin, but not when you flash stuff in recovery.
Flash counter and knox are 2 different things
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Well, if you've been flashing ROMs for a while without bricking or messing up your phone, then tripping KNOX shouldn't be an issue. All KNOX is is an alarm for Samsung to know if you've done anything to void your device. So if you ever do brick your phone or anything, even if it's hardware issue on their end, they can then say you're the blame just because they know you tampered with it. Even if it's their own fault. But if you know what you're doing, then it really doesn't matter. And they still won't really know until you try and turn it in one day and they look to see if the trip counter is 0x1 or 2 or 3. If it's 0x0 then it's good to them.
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Pp.
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That is just not correct. Knox is absolutely not just a way for Samsung to see if you have messed with the phone.
Its a security feature to allow the device to qualify as a secure system for business use. Some enterprise software won't work if the knox flag is tripped. That allows it to be more secure as you can't simply hide root so a root checking app will still function.
This prevents data theft for businesses. That is what knox is there for. It was not put in as a warranty check.
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hi masters. Reset method for p601 knox. Do not know?
Once tripped you can't undo
Impossible.
http://omegadroid.co/wanted-knox-void-warranty-0x1/
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Impossible.
http://omegadroid.co/wanted-knox-void-warranty-0x1/
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Not impossible. Just unknown right now. Unfortunately this device has little developer support, so we don't draw big talent like Chainfire who could probably hack it back to 0.
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Not impossible. Just unknown right now. Unfortunately this device has little developer support, so we don't draw big talent like Chainfire who could probably hack it back to 0.
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We will wait and see.
Some light in the tunnel
I have recently aqcuired a P600- and despite of being fascinated about the custom roms on other devices, loosing warranty right in the first week is still way too costly. Therefore I was wondering if KNOX could be reset- I am not sure if this has been discussed or tried on our device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52329946
There has been some progress to reset the KNOX temporarily until booting on the Note 3-- It looks promising..
Any thoughts?