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Is SDS fix in 4.1.2? Or is it just a myth?

I don't see Samsung acknowledging anywhere that 4.1.2 fixes SDS. I see a bunch of samsung/android websites ASSUMING as such, but no proof.
The exynos exploit? Yes. But I'm thinking that we're all assuming 4.1.2 is SDS safe.
I'm starting to think that there IS no fix. Samsung doesn't even want to acknowledge it. The only fix is being on the new chip (07).

No phones with dll7+ have been reported to have sds. So theoretically it does patch it.
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UtkarshGupta said:
No phones with dll7+ have been reported to have sds. So theoretically it does patch it.
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Exactly. We're just assuming. So theoretically we could be wrong, and someone could be enjoying better battery life on 4.1.1 and have the same exact risk exposure as we do.

No.
All the cases of sds have been on 4.1.1 roms. Non on dll7 ones.
4.1.1 is highly vulnerable.
Why do you even take the risk.
The glass is half full not half empty.
Be optimistic and not pessimistic.
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UtkarshGupta said:
No.
All the cases of sds have been on 4.1.1 roms. Non on dll7 ones.
4.1.1 is highly vulnerable.
Why do you even take the risk.
The glass is half full not half empty.
Be optimistic and not pessimistic.
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You're missing the point. I'm not going to downgrade to 4.1.1, because I'm worried, just like you.
The point is it seems to me that we are throwing around 4.1.2 as FIXED, when it possibly might not be. On this forum we are saying that it is FACT, when it seems to be just assumptions. I believe that's a possible false sense of security we are giving people. I feel that's harmful. We should encourage people to upgrade to 4.1.2, but we should say "it seems the SDS bug is fixed in 4.1.2", not that it IS, when we don't know for sure.

ksc6000 said:
You're missing the point. I'm not going to downgrade to 4.1.1, because I'm worried, just like you.
The point is it seems to me that we are throwing around 4.1.2 as FIXED, when it possibly might not be. On this forum we are saying that it is FACT, when it seems to be just assumptions. I believe that's a possible false sense of security we are giving people. I feel that's harmful. We should encourage people to upgrade to 4.1.2, but we should say "it seems the SDS bug is fixed in 4.1.2", not that it IS, when we don't know for sure.
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Somewhat I agree
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ksc6000 said:
We should encourage people to upgrade to 4.1.2, but we should say "it seems the SDS bug is fixed in 4.1.2", not that it IS, when we don't know for sure.
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Samsung officially never say it, so i don't think without this some one stamp it. (bcoz this time patch done by themselves, if xda developer have did that then surely they can stamp)
At least myself always use words 'its believed to be fixed for sds'
Now why should we believe
-kernel from ll7 and later have found to have that insane chip version mentioned in its source code(which was never there before) , that strongly suggest samsung have made something patch for that chip, so when kernel found such chip may block issuing such commands
-we have not seen any sds case on those latest rom which believed to have patched for.
PS : if you aware of brick bug on Note1 and s2,there was also related to mmc chip and wiping command was causing brick, samsung till today never acknowledged (or accepted) it was there and thousand bricking case reported
And there was not a single case was reported after kernel was patched by xda developer. (chainfire, philz, hydrocore, soeedmod are examples)
Ultimately when samsung released jb leak, it found samsung have patched it, and somewhat agree with developer in personal communication. So it's samsung policy, I don't expect they will ever do it. Disappointing but true.
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dr.ketan said:
Samsung officially never say it, so i don't think without this some one stamp it. (bcoz this time patch done by themselves, if xda developer have did that then surely they can stamp)
At least myself always use words 'its believed to be fixed for sds'
Now why should we believe
-kernel from ll7 and later have found to have that insane chip version mentioned in its source code(which was never there before) , that strongly suggest samsung have made something patch for that chip, so when kernel found such chip may block issuing such commands
-we have not seen any sds case on those latest rom which believed to have patched for.
PS : if you aware of brick bug on Note1 and s2,there was also related to mmc chip and wiping command was causing brick, samsung till today never acknowledged (or accepted) it was there and thousand bricking case reported
And there was not a single case was reported after kernel was patched by xda developer. (chainfire, philz, hydrocore, soeedmod are examples)
Ultimately when samsung released jb leak, it found samsung have patched it, and somewhat agree with developer in personal communication. So it's samsung policy, I don't expect they will ever do it. Disappointing but true.
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So essentially what you're saying is that it appears samsung has fixed it in 4.1.2, but they will probably never acknowledge it? Am I reading that right?

Exactly,
B'coz acknowledging it is indirectly accepting they have used faulty chip.
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Mine just died yesterday, N7105 running on 4.1.2.
Not sure the kernel though.
Passed it to Samsung care today. They said they will change the motherboard and .. it will take around 2 weeks as their motherboards are out of stock. So you can imagine the number of spoiled note 2.
From Singapore btw~

Samsung will never acknowledge the SDS issue. Doing so would open them up to one hell of a mess in lawsuits from pee'd off customers.

actually it just fixes the issue if you update before having a corrupted chip. There were lots of reports of 4.1.2 died phones but we assume that it is because, as they said, the phone was having problems before updating.
hope my explanation helped you, bests
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Samsung is locking out root at the kernel level

It appears that Samsung has disabled root at the kernel level on new kernels for the 9500 and 9505. It looks like Samsung is going back on developer community support in favor of enterprise security.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263788
I hope they don't do that to us in the states - originally I thought it was because of the Exynos exploits but the 9505 is a Snapdragon 600 device.
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EtherealRemnant said:
It appears that Samsung has disabled root at the kernel level on new kernels for the 9500 and 9505. It looks like Samsung is going back on developer community support in favor of enterprise security.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263788
I hope they don't do that to us in the states - originally I thought it was because of the Exynos exploits but the 9505 is a Snapdragon 600 device.
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How can I get this phone, but I do not know if I like it very much
not have enough money to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EY3B5qG-hg&feature=youtu.be

What??
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EtherealRemnant said:
It appears that Samsung has disabled root at the kernel level on new kernels for the 9500 and 9505. It looks like Samsung is going back on developer community support in favor of enterprise security.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2263788
I hope they don't do that to us in the states - originally I thought it was because of the Exynos exploits but the 9505 is a Snapdragon 600 device.
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bbobarino said:
What??
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this is also a very nice woman told
but I do not have money to take them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_HdFLYH1Vg

What?
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What?
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choto what ?
What do you think caused by continuous:cyclops:

Can we get on topic please?
This is worrisome stuff - it may not affect those of you with a device right now but if it ends up being enacted across the board, you better hope that you never break it.
This is the first time I've seen this implemented on the kernel level. It is by far the most effective way to prevent root as it keeps you from being able to switch to the root user. Without the ability to do that, all software exploits are worthless. And good luck exploiting the kernel itself.
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EtherealRemnant said:
Can we get on topic please?
This is worrisome stuff - it may not affect those of you with a device right now but if it ends up being enacted across the board, you better hope that you never break it.
This is the first time I've seen this implemented on the kernel level. It is by far the most effective way to prevent root as it keeps you from being able to switch to the root user. Without the ability to do that, all software exploits are worthless. And good luck exploiting the kernel itself.
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Do they do this with a firmware upgrade? If so, would avoiding any OTA updates and only flashing Modded ROM's be a way to avoid it?

gaww said:
Do they do this with a firmware upgrade? If so, would avoiding any OTA updates and only flashing Modded ROM's be a way to avoid it?
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I would assume yes.. and once youre rooted, you dont gotta worry about OTAs anyways....
OP suggested in another thread that this can be an issue if god forbid you need a replacement device..
I then stated that if we saved the backtostock file for the current firmware, this could possibly be avoided by flashing it through odin on a new device, but if samsung doesnt allow that by some means, were screwed

They're barring root at the kernel level on the i9500/i9505, but the difference with those models is that they have unlocked bootloaders and custom recovery with kernel source. It's possible to just install a custom recovery with ODIN and make a modified kernel (both of which are common practice in rooting anyway). They're just making it so that if you want to obtain root, you have to have physical access to the device to flash through ODIN, which is a lot safer in the long run. All this means is that Sally can't be exploited by running an APK or a malicious file to get root without her consent. (It also means that her "techy" boyfriend will have to understand ODIN to get root from now on,)

Are the phones shipping now locked?
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Are the phones shipping now locked?
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The T-Mo S4 has an unlocked bootloader. This is much ado about nothing. Read the last few pages of the thread.

i think we are flipping out over nothing. this is probably just for government phones. I think samsung is smart enough to know the heat they will get if they implement this across the board.
Worse comes to worse, carriers start to implement this, and tmobile doesnt seem interested in doing anything of the sort. the verizon and at&t guys are the ones that should be worried then.
but like i said before. making a mountain out of a molehill

It's for security reasons. You will still be able to install a custom kernel and have root. One minute people complain about an exploit the next they complain about not being secure.. it really isnt a big deal. Well I'm not a dev so I can't really say it's not a big deal but it is what it is and you'll still be able to have root.
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Mr. bird said:
I'm not a dev so I can't really say it's not a big deal
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I am, I can, and I did. Truly nothing to see here folks. Mr. bird here read the thread and gets it right.

s4 is the best

For rooting purpose, not S4 but Sony Z1.
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xxhorseriderxxx said:
They're barring root at the kernel level on the i9500/i9505, but the difference with those models is that they have unlocked bootloaders and custom recovery with kernel source. It's possible to just install a custom recovery with ODIN and make a modified kernel (both of which are common practice in rooting anyway). They're just making it so that if you want to obtain root, you have to have physical access to the device to flash through ODIN, which is a lot safer in the long run. All this means is that Sally can't be exploited by running an APK or a malicious file to get root without her consent. (It also means that her "techy" boyfriend will have to understand ODIN to get root from now on,)
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Come on now. How tech savvy does one have to be to use ODIN. Honestly, my MyTouch 3G was more difficult to root than this thing with ODIN. Point, click, profit. I'm sure all those "techy" boyfriends will be rooting Sammy phones just as easily as they do now. At some point someone will figure out a one click solution anyway.
I agree 100% though, this really is nothing to worry about. I welcome it honestly. Its a great bump for security. Given the current state of things with the NSA and whatever else trying to siphon data like damn vampires and hack everything in sight like Jason. Though I'd say this is more for businesses, we need all we can get. As it sits, we're about as bad off as Windows 95 would be on today's internet surfing warez sites.
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Odin Is pretty easy. I'm not that tech savvy with phones but when I had to use Odin I caught on quick.
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its a better discussion for all.....Samsung is locking out root at the kernel level
This is the first time I've seen this implemented on the kernel level. It is by far the most effective way
to prevent root as it keeps you from being able to switch to the root user. Without the ability to do that,
all software exploits are worthless. And good luck exploiting the kernel itself.
This is worrisome stuff - it may not affect those of you with a device right now but if it ends up being enacted
across the board, you better hope that you never break it.

S4 4.3 update coming in october

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Road...xy-S4-Galaxy-S-III-and-GALAXY-Note-II_id47806
So how likely are we to get this update quickly since T-Mobile seems to have forgotten about our updates so far. Really want apps2sd already with Wi-Fi calling
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TheAtheistOtaku said:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Road...xy-S4-Galaxy-S-III-and-GALAXY-Note-II_id47806
So how likely are we to get this update quickly since T-Mobile seems to have forgotten about our updates so far. Really want apps2sd already with WiJane-Fi calling
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Sorry bro but I wouldn't hold my breath for any tmobile update. They always have some lame excuse like we're testing for months and months...good news is you can have 4.3 and apps to sd NOW if you root and install a custom rom. Look in the roms change log and it will tell you if its 4.3 and all other features it has. i have apps to sd now with my current rom. So if you don't want to wait for God knows how long you can get these things you want now by rooting. Also you can change back to stock and unroot if you like so its not a permanent thing. There are some wonderful how to root threads in tmobile android development section. Look in the forum for tmobile Samsung galaxy and find the development section where the roms are kept and you should find a how to guide.read read read and when your comfortable with the procedure proceed to root your device. You won't regret it for a second. Best wishes. Otherwise you can wait on tmobile which is likely just going to frusterate you. Ive been with tmobile ten years and my only complaint is their update process.its always one excuse after another why we're not getting our update. So you do have options. You can root and run these things now or wait on tmobile. Its up to you. Best wishes. If your already rooted and just wondering when it will come out my guess is after a newer device is announced. Tmobile is awful when it comes to updates!

Surprisingly the moto x on Tmobile was the first to get the camera fix update. But I guess it's more a patch than an update.
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Sorry bro but I wouldn't hold my breath for any tmobile update. They always have some lame excuse like we're testing for months and months...good news is you can have 4.3 and apps to sd NOW if you root and install a custom rom. Look in the roms change log and it will tell you if its 4.3 and all other features it has. i have apps to sd now with my current rom. So if you don't want to wait for God knows how long you can get these things you want now by rooting. Also you can change back to stock and unroot if you like so its not a permanent thing. There are some wonderful how to root threads in tmobile android development section. Look in the forum for tmobile Samsung galaxy and find the development section where the roms are kept and you should find a how to guide.read read read and when your comfortable with the procedure proceed to root your device. You won't regret it for a second. Best wishes. Otherwise you can wait on tmobile which is likely just going to frusterate you. Ive been with tmobile ten years and my only complaint is their update process.its always one excuse after another why we're not getting our update. So you do have options. You can root and run these things now or wait on tmobile. Its up to you. Best wishes. If your already rooted and just wondering when it will come out my guess is after a newer device is announced. Tmobile is awful when it comes to updates!
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What ticks me off is that this slow update crap is one of the reasons I left Verizon, only to find out it's an issue with t mobile.
Right now I am seriously considering the Nexus 5. For now, thank God I am rooted.

Yes I understand. I went through this with my htc and it makes me furious. It is ALWAYS the same excuse. We're testing and it might take awhile. Its total bs. I honestly think its a marketing strategy of sorts to hold the update as long as possible until the latest and greatest comes out. Then we no longer even care about the update and want to move on..I just don't know why they are this way. I've been with tmobile ten years and I've seen this over and over. Always the same excuse.its really my only complaint about the company. They just won't give us our updates ever so small or large. Until we don't care anymore because we're moving on to something else anyway. Its ridicoulas. So many complain but it seems they turn a deaf ear to our pleas.i was hoping this device would be different and they would send out the update in a timely manner. But its looking like that's not the case. Very frustrating. ..

If you really want bleeding edge updates, check out what happened to the 2013 Nexus 7 and its updates: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2380866
It's bad enough when a tablet reboots randomly; I can't imagine a primary communication device like a smartphone doing the same... you know, like in the middle of a phone call.

I agree with realsis, don't count on T-Mobile. Right now you have 4.3 roms but they might not be perfect, I'm sure when Samsung releases the update with Touchwiz and everything, someone will figure out how to port the features to our S4. This seems like it's been repeated a million times, but latest updates can only come from 2 sources: XDA or directly from Google for Nexus devices.
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As soon as the internatinal i9505 galaxy s4 4.3 is realesed we will be able to install it becuase we run the same hardware so thats the good thing
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Sorry but this thread is funny and painful. We know tmobile employees are too dumb to rely on them for software

I'd honestly have a hard time believing that Samsung isn't going to be pushing the providers HARD to get the update out. They've got watches to sell...

Toleraen said:
I'd honestly have a hard time believing that Samsung isn't going to be pushing the providers HARD to get the update out. They've got watches to sell...
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That's a good point, but i dont think the carriers care.
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Pray for the update in Oct 2014

Im sure not waiting till october 2014 for this update. hopefully I'll have jumped over to something else. By that time. .in the meantime I'm going to enjoy what we have available here on xda... tmobile ALWAYS uses the same excuse every update. "Oh were testing it" or " there was a issue with it" having been with tmobile ten years ive heard this over and over. Different device SAME story. This might sound odd but I think they hold their updates as a sort of marketing strategy. They will wait till something even greater is released by the time the updates comes out its so old it does not matter and we jump ship to the latest and greatest... think about it..if they gave our updates as they should be given we might actually be happy with our device therefore less likely to buy the latest and greatest new device... I dont know I can't help but think that they hold these updstes for their OWN reasons.. hopefully I'm wrong but ive seen this before....

Correct me if I'm wrong, the "WATCH " is only compatible with the Note 3 when it's released. I could seriously see T-Mobile waiting to see how many S4 owners are desperate enough to go out purchase the N3 just to get the watch before releasing the update.
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nymikey said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, the "WATCH " is only compatible with the Note 3 when it's released. I could seriously see T-Mobile waiting to see how many S4 owners are desperate enough to go out purchase the N3 just to get the watch before releasing the update.
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No the watch will be compatible with the s3 s4 and note 2 IF they are updated by T-Mobile/Samsung to 4.3.
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They wouldn't do that as marketing strategy because the only people that care about updates are people that know a lot about the phone so if they continued to never update any phones customers would eventually go to other carriers that care about updates versus buying a new phone again that will never get updated
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nymikey said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, the "WATCH " is only compatible with the Note 3 when it's released. I could seriously see T-Mobile waiting to see how many S4 owners are desperate enough to go out purchase the N3 just to get the watch before releasing the update.
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I still think Samsung is in a nice position (in regards to market-share) to push the telcos to release the update. Seems kind of silly anyway since Samsung are the ones creating the update. One leak to SamMobile would put the pressure back on T-Mobile. Samsung has a lot more to gain from watch sales with multiple compatible devices in the wild than they would hoping that people would upgrade to a N3 AND get the watch.
I'll probably still be running CM, but it'll be nice to have an official 4.3 release

I saw a thread somewhere on xda an hour ago about a leaked Sammy 4.3 for the i9500/i9505 trying to find it again to share the link.
Edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2465713
[GT-I9505][Leaked firmware] I9505XXUEMI8 (Android 4.3) - Open Europe (OXA) [01-10-13]
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jds3118 said:
I saw a thread somewhere on xda an hour ago about a leaked Sammy 4.3 for the i9500/i9505 trying to find it again to share the link.
Edit: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2465713
[GT-I9505][Leaked firmware] I9505XXUEMI8 (Android 4.3) - Open Europe (OXA) [01-10-13]
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I saw this and was wondering is there anything special one needs to do before flashing. Like should I wait for a CWM rom or can I just use the download as is?

Dustin.M650 said:
I saw this and was wondering is there anything special one needs to do before flashing. Like should I wait for a CWM rom or can I just use the download as is?
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Not sure haven't tried it yet lol but from reading the thread I believe if u flash without the new bl file it should work maybe a more experienced dev can work their magic for us. :thumbup:
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P605: so, what to do to get a custom kernel?

Hi all,
So we have root and recovery now. Who is the right person to ask, in order to get a custom kernel? Perhaps someone who has developed for the Note III s800? Any ideas? :fingers-crossed:
I primarily seek fsync off, touchdemand governor and overclocking. I don't mind sacrificing battery time.

delanvital said:
Hi all,
So we have root and recovery now. Who is the right person to ask, in order to get a custom kernel? Perhaps someone who has developed for the Note III s800? Any ideas? :fingers-crossed:
I primarily seek fsync off, touchdemand governor and overclocking. I don't mind sacrificing battery time.
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Hi
Did you find a Custom Kernel for the P605 ???
I also searching for it since 2 weeks.

If it isn't on XDA than it probably doesn't exist yet. I hate it too I thought a major flagship device would get more developer love but KNOX seems to be a major deterent to the devs. Perhaps of interest is the Note 3 thread where they've raised about 3K to reset the Knox flag. If/when this happens I believe that development will startstart to take off. Just my 2¢
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If it isn't on XDA than it probably doesn't exist yet. I hate it too I thought a major flagship device would get more developer love but KNOX seems to be a major deterent to the devs. Perhaps of interest is the Note 3 thread where they've raised about 3K to reset the Knox flag. If/when this happens I believe that development will startstart to take off. Just my 2¢
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Not too likely as Chainfire and a couple other big names pretty much gave up... If, as was suspected, Knox is an eFuse than it is pretty much NOT going to get fixed.
If Samsung have an app that re-directs to a different eFuse and we got hold of this app it would still only be good for a certain amount of time... After all eFuses are burnt out there will be no way to reset Knox.. But how many eFuses might you have?

Note II - the 4.4.2 update - discussion thread

http://www.intomobile.com/2014/02/18/samsung-begins-rollout-android-44-kitkat-14-devices/
Aww man I cant wait im not sure if this thread has already been made but thank god they have not forgot about us. :victory:

Woohoo...Samsung finally gets around to publishing their own bloated take on something we've had for months.

If tw still look the same with nothing extra that's useful I won't Bother. I use to like Samsung but once you get to the top there's only one way to go. Hope I'm wrong and they give us something nice, if not I'll stay on stock Android.
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Already have it with CM11.. minus all the bloatware too.

Xtraordinair said:
Already have it with CM11.. minus all the bloatware too.
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can you give me the link for that thread?
TIA

na_tra said:
can you give me the link for that thread?
TIA
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SPRINT GALAXY NOTE II ONLY:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2524130

The good thing about this will be the new customization with all the KK ROM's we do have available once the developers get the KK source from the official release right?, most of them are pretty stock without as many options as my PACman 4.3.1 JB ROM has right now.

Wonder if I'll still get the ota if Knox is removed from otherwise stock 4.3 setup.
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The official kit kat tw Rom actually isn't coming with much bloat at all.. and Samsung has revamped tw to be more streamlined. I'm actually looking forward to it since I use the spen alot and upgrading to a Note 3 is really a waste of money.. I can wait for the Note 4
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johndillinger1932 said:
The official kit kat tw Rom actually isn't coming with much bloat at all.. and Samsung has revamped tw to be more streamlined. I'm actually looking forward to it since I use the spen alot and upgrading to a Note 3 is really a waste of money.. I can wait for the Note 4
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Can you uninstall all the utterly useless Samsung apps? Does the OS image weigh any less than 1GB? If not they may have made it run better, but they didn't debloat it.
And I *highly* doubt that Samsung got rid of their own useless apps they spent money developing.
Hopefully Google comes out with a phablet form device. Then I'm done with Samsung. Might go to an LG next. Screw Knox and Samsung.

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Can you uninstall all the utterly useless Samsung apps? Does the OS image weigh any less than 1GB? If not they may have made it run better, but they didn't debloat it.
And I *highly* doubt that Samsung got rid of their own useless apps they spent money developing.
Hopefully Google comes out with a phablet form device. Then I'm done with Samsung. Might go to an LG next. Screw Knox and Samsung.
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I have had only a few android devices (kyocera zio, og evo, evo 3d, note 2, and kyocera torque) and samsung has been the easiest to work with. As far as knox is concerned (on note 2) it is nothing to worry about. The first day 4.3 was out we (me and lorjay) already had knox nullified and on day 2 root was working. While the same may not be true with new samsung devices. Point is knox means nothing to xda users/devs since there will always be a way around it.
4.4 on the note 3 looks okay and should be a better upgrade than 4.3 although we will have to wait and see. For myself i like aosp better since i found most of the things i like from samsung in 3rd party apps. Only thing I miss and can't get is a feature from note 3 mods (air command).
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You've always been able to uninstall bloat.. it's one of the main reasons for having Titanium Backup. And a simple Google search will confirm my above statement. It's still gonna have bloat, just not nearly as much.
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johndillinger1932 said:
You've always been able to uninstall bloat.. it's one of the main reasons for having Titanium Backup. And a simple Google search will confirm my above statement. It's still gonna have bloat, just not nearly as much.
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Always...so long as you are rooted...

Skripka said:
Always...so long as you are rooted...
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Sure, but who would even be on XDA if they weren't rooting...
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Anyone heard any updates about our release yet? I keep seeing it for so many other phones.
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Should be ready by the end of 2015
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johndillinger1932 said:
The official kit kat tw Rom actually isn't coming with much bloat at all.. and Samsung has revamped tw to be more streamlined. I'm actually looking forward to it since I use the spen alot and upgrading to a Note 3 is really a waste of money.. I can wait for the Note 4
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I'm excited to see what it's like if this is indeed the case.

sliverr7x said:
Should be ready by the end of 2015
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By then i'm pretty sure most of us will have upgraded to a new phone but for those who keep their phones for 2+ years it will be nice to not be left out of KK update. Who knows I might keep my Note 2 for a while longer... I have no problems with it and it works just fine and does everything I need and then some.

I guess we either going to get 4.4 in April or May
http://www.ibtimes.com/android-44-k...axy-note-2-galaxy-s3-rollout-surfaces-1561321

Tha_Dynasty2049 said:
I guess we either going to get 4.4 in April or May
http://www.ibtimes.com/android-44-k...axy-note-2-galaxy-s3-rollout-surfaces-1561321
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Probably on the later side. US carriers never update to the "latest" version of Android...Google always gets another release out before carriers choose to finally re-write their ROMs to get up-to-date.