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I have just downloaded the twrp software today on my kindle fire. It wont download any of the custom ROMs so I am just stuck on this screen. I even called Amazon and they couldnt help me...
Does anybody know how to remove TWRP from the kindle and set it back to the default system and its normal setup??
You called amazon and asked about twrp? Lol.
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mtdulmag said:
I have just downloaded the twrp software today on my kindle fire. It wont download any of the custom ROMs so I am just stuck on this screen. I even called Amazon and they couldnt help me...
Does anybody know how to remove TWRP from the kindle and set it back to the default system and its normal setup??
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I'm sure that for you, this is not amusing. But for me, its funny for so many reasons. We'll fix you up, don't worry. But first let me explain a few things.
When you make any alterations to Amazon's proprietary Kindle Fire interface such as rooting or installing custom recovery, you void your warranty and in the process waive certain benefits like Amazon customer service.
But since you have already done that, you want to make sure you have good fail safes to protect your investment. Of course one of those fail safes is custom recovery (TWRP). Removing it at this point with the skill level you are at right now is a VERY BAD IDEA.
The good news is, your Kindle is not broken. In fact, its doing exactly what it was designed to do, although its pretty hard for you to see that at the moment.
So the first thing you need to do is read this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=23747567
And come back when you are done
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mtdulmag said:
I have just downloaded the twrp software today on my kindle fire. It wont download any of the custom ROMs so I am just stuck on this screen. I even called Amazon and they couldnt help me...
Does anybody know how to remove TWRP from the kindle and set it back to the default system and its normal setup??
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I'm guessing thousands of people have used TWRP successfully to get ROMs installed, so I suspect something else is going on. Maybe you'd like to give this a read...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1552547
so you can get an idea of how things work. Then if you want to explain...
1) what you did so far and how you did it
2) how you are trying to install ROMs
3) exactly what your Kindle Fire is doing
I or someone else here can help you get where you are going. Whether that's flashing a new rom or going back to stock, that's up to you.
As a side note, calling Amazon to tell them you've voided the warranty by flashing unauthorized software and then asking for help is probably not a good idea.
EDIT: There were no replies yet when I started typing.
Next Step
Alright I have read the thread from that link, now what is the next step?
It could be the cable. When you download stuff, always try at least 5 times. I always have to anyway.
Haha to calling Amazon by the way.
mtdulmag said:
I have just downloaded the twrp software today on my kindle fire. It wont download any of the custom ROMs so I am just stuck on this screen. I even called Amazon and they couldnt help me...
Does anybody know how to remove TWRP from the kindle and set it back to the default system and its normal setup??
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Lol, to calling Amazon. Stick in there buddy a few months ago I was also a totl noob. It gets easier and there are lots of peeps here that can help you with pretty much any problem. A little bit of searching help too. What I do before I even start downloading ROM's, mod's or, add-ons, I do a bit of research. That way I where to look again if I bork something.
kindle gen 1 twrp
Hey I have a KF 1st gen that I have rooted. Currently it is I guess stuck in twrp. It is holding the blue and white KF logo. I can use the power button to go into boot mode/twrp to reboot. However once past that area it will immediately power down. And truly I would liketo go back to stock rom.
lonnia said:
Hey I have a KF 1st gen that I have rooted. Currently it is I guess stuck in twrp. It is holding the blue and white KF logo. I can use the power button to go into boot mode/twrp to reboot. However once past that area it will immediately power down. And truly I would liketo go back to stock rom.
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Your in Bootloader, and Twrp is not working correctly
You will need to flash twrp to fix.
See How to flash twrp and firefirefire with a Fastboot cable
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53652317&postcount=2
Shows basic steps, you have Bootloader, so don't need the fastboot cable, so download adb files, and twrp.IMG
And use
Code:
fastboot flash recovery twrpfilename
Fastboot reboot
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KF1 flashed with TWRP 2.2.21-blaze/CM11 OtterX Nightly
Successfully flashed the above TWRP on a KF1, and then used it to install CM11 OtterX Nightly the latest (10-04-2015) build.
Now it's stuck in boot loading.
Reentering TWRP console, which I can do--I have full TWRP, but I no longer have any Zips to install from. (My SDCard was wiped.)
I've tried to use ADB to push (after struggling with the drivers) the build back to my KF1, but I find I don't have permissions set up correctly.
I did reflash TWRP as is recommended below, but that did not help the boot load freeze.
Can I use ADB to push the build back for a reinstall? Can I use fastboot to push it?
What is the proper course to recover this KF1?
BTW, I do not have a factory cable.
Thanks for the help!
sd_shadow said:
Your in Bootloader, and Twrp is not working correctly
You will need to flash twrp to fix.
See How to flash twrp and firefirefire with a Fastboot cable
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=53652317&postcount=2
Shows basic steps, you have Bootloader, so don't need the fastboot cable, so download adb files, and twrp.IMG
And use
Code:
fastboot flash recovery twrpfilename
Fastboot reboot
Sent from my Amazon OtterX using Tapatalk
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rustynail33 said:
Successfully flashed the above TWRP on a KF1, and then used it to install CM11 OtterX Nightly the latest (10-04-2015) build.
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TWRP 2.2.21-blaze is not compatible with any roms with "OtterX" , CM11, or CM12
"Otter" CM 11 requires Twrp 2.7.1.0 or newer
see Kindle Fire Flashable Recoveries/FFF TWRP/COTR/CWM
OtterX roms require OtterX bootloader, and OtterX Twrp
see [How To] Fix Otter X Install Errors, Partition sizes, Unable to Mount System.
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I no longer have any Zips to install from. (My SDCard was wiped.)
I've tried to use ADB to push (after struggling with the drivers) the build back to my KF1, but I find I don't have permissions set up correctly.
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what commands are you using? what error are you getting?
BTW, I do not have a factory cable.
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Factory cable is not needed if you have a custom bootloader
Thanks to your help SD I was able to install the Otter CM 11!
Now, I'm trying to install the ZIP of Open Gapps Nano for 11, and TWRP is reporting that I don't have enough space.
More investigation!
rustynail33 said:
Successfully flashed the above TWRP on a KF1, and then used it to install CM11 OtterX Nightly the latest (10-04-2015) build.
Now it's stuck in boot loading.
Reentering TWRP console, which I can do--I have full TWRP, but I no longer have any Zips to install from. (My SDCard was wiped.)
I've tried to use ADB to push (after struggling with the drivers) the build back to my KF1, but I find I don't have permissions set up correctly.
I did reflash TWRP as is recommended below, but that did not help the boot load freeze.
Can I use ADB to push the build back for a reinstall? Can I use fastboot to push it?
What is the proper course to recover this KF1?
BTW, I do not have a factory cable.
Thanks for the help!
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rustynail33 said:
Thanks to your help SD I was able to install the Otter CM 11!
Now, I'm trying to install the ZIP of Open Gapps Nano for 11, and TWRP is reporting that I don't have enough space.
More investigation!
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what's the full file name? size?
So, SD, I was able to install the pico Open Apps after installing gaps-kk. When that had me hanging in boot, I entered TWRP again and then did a wipe. On a whim, I rebooted into TWRP after the wipe, and tried to install the PICO OpenGapp zip. And, it installed!
I rebooted, and now I have GAPPS!
Can't explain it, but now it works. Thanks for all your help!
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what's the full file name? size?
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I purchased a Kindle Fire for my wife, I want to root it to allow Google Play to be installed
I dl'd the KFU v0.9.6, got the ADB driver, installed, showing as a android composite device
I run the utility following these instructions
from the liliputing.com
it gets to this point, screen cap attached
and dies, it leaves me at the TWRP screen, I have recovered several times using this site here
rootkindlefire.com hot to /how-to-unrootunbrick-rooted-kindle-fire
I must have read 100 threads today but nothing seems to help
Any suggestions or should I just wait for a utility update?
I'm no expert but I have rooted my phones in the past and installed custom ROMs, I'm no developer by a long shot but I'm not out in the woods clueless either.
Thanks
Hopefully you have the latest FFF installed (blue Kindle Fire logo?). If so, when you see it, hold the power button until you see the boot options appear. Select normal or reset boot mode.
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Hopefully you have the latest FFF installed (blue Kindle Fire logo?). If so, when you see it, hold the power button until you see the boot options appear. Select normal or reset boot mode.
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At the moment I am back to stock, kind of skittish as it seems I am not the only person having a similar issue
Well, looking at screenshot, I see that TWRP was installed successfully. As long as have that, you're good. You can use TWRP to install FFF and a new rom which fixes just about everything. When TWRP first installs it will reboot and leave your device in fastboot mode (stuck at boot logo). To fix it, simply change your bootmode. Using the latest FFF (blue Kindle Fire logo) is the easiest way, but it can also be done via command line.
Being "stuck" at the boot logo is a normal process of modifying the KF, it doesn't mean it's bricked. I suggest you take the time to read up on some Kindle Fire basics before you proceed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23747567
Read it, not to identify your exact problem like so many do, but to educate yourself on how this thing called Kindle Fire/Android works. If you've already read it, read it again. Doing so will help you and those trying to help you, tremendously.
I got the same screen last night as well. TWRP is installed as I can reboot into Normal/Recovery/Reset Boot..
I can use the KFU to reset the bootloader as well (normal/fastboot, etc)..
but for some reason, KFU doesn't seem to root my device when selecting option 2. I get the blue KF boot logo, can access TWRP, but then what? Do I need to install some other software?
I am soo confused...
I want to root my device so I can install programs. I would also like to install custom ROMs (which I understand that I do not NEED to be rooted to do this), but to install other programs I do.
iRock48 said:
I got the same screen last night as well. TWRP is installed as I can reboot into Normal/Recovery/Reset Boot..
I can use the KFU to reset the bootloader as well (normal/fastboot, etc)..
but for some reason, KFU doesn't seem to root my device when selecting option 2. I get the blue KF boot logo, can access TWRP, but then what? Do I need to install some other software?
I am soo confused...
I want to root my device so I can install programs. I would also like to install custom ROMs (which I understand that I do not NEED to be rooted to do this), but to install other programs I do.
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Transfer the ROM you want to your sdcard and use TWRP to install it. Be sure to "factory reset" (wipe) before you install the ROM or there will be conflicts. It is usually a good idea to wipe cache and dalvik after the ROM installation. There's no need to root a custom ROM.
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Well, looking at screenshot, I see that TWRP was installed successfully. As long as have that, you're good. You can use TWRP to install FFF and a new rom which fixes just about everything. When TWRP first installs it will reboot and leave your device in fastboot mode (stuck at boot logo). To fix it, simply change your bootmode. Using the latest FFF (blue Kindle Fire logo) is the easiest way, but it can also be done via command line.
Being "stuck" at the boot logo is a normal process of modifying the KF, it doesn't mean it's bricked. I suggest you take the time to read up on some Kindle Fire basics before you proceed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=23747567
Read it, not to identify your exact problem like so many do, but to educate yourself on how this thing called Kindle Fire/Android works. If you've already read it, read it again. Doing so will help you and those trying to help you, tremendously.
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Thanks, I reread it last night and will do so again, will likely get back to this over the weekend
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Transfer the ROM you want to your sdcard and use TWRP to install it. Be sure to "factory reset" (wipe) before you install the ROM or there will be conflicts. It is usually a good idea to wipe cache and dalvik after the ROM installation. There's no need to root a custom ROM.
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Thank you for the reply. I assume to transfer the ROM I want I'd use something like Window Explorer to drag/drop or should I use the command language?
Wiping the cache and dalvik - is that also done through TWRP?
one last thing; it is my understanding that once you install a custom ROM, you have "root" access.. will this access allow me to install the App Store/Android Market and install apps that normally require root, such as Titanium backup?
iRock48 said:
Thank you for the reply. I assume to transfer the ROM I want I'd use something like Window Explorer to drag/drop or should I use the command language?
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In TWRP you can use "abd push" or there is "mount" function that it comes with that will allow you to mount your sdcard as an external drive, much like with the stock Amazon software.
Wiping the cache and dalvik - is that also done through TWRP?
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Yes, after you install the ROM, you'll be given the option to.
one last thing; it is my understanding that once you install a custom ROM, you have "root" access.. will this access allow me to install the App Store/Android Market and install apps that normally require root, such as Titanium backup?
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Yes, but the "Market" (Google Play) must be installed in TWRP as a "gapps" package. Just Google gapps for the version of android you're installing (CM10-JB, CM9-ICS, or CM7-GB).
ye i have the same issue "mv: can't rename '/system/bin/check_rooted': No such file or directory". I'm sitting at TWRP recovery screen, so I'm guessing just download rom of choice use the mount function to transfer the rom, full wipe and install. this should solve my getting no further in rooting process problem?
radici said:
ye i have the same issue "mv: can't rename '/system/bin/check_rooted': No such file or directory". I'm sitting at TWRP recovery screen, so I'm guessing just download rom of choice use the mount function to transfer the rom, full wipe and install. this should solve my getting no further in rooting process problem?
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If your only error is "mv: can't rename '/system/bin/check_rooted': then chances are, you're already rooted. It just means there was no check_rooted file to rename, so you're good.
Not that it matters anyway because installing a custom ROM gives you "root" anyway.
So... i have rooted the Kindle many times before, all while using TWRP, But lately, KFU has not been able to remove root checker so the Kindle gets stuck in TWRP. When i try to reboot it still boots up to TWRP. The only way I can get it back to normal is flashing the update.zip rom i keep on the SDcard just in case.
Any reason on why its doing that, and why it just started recently?
notdeadyet01 said:
So... i have rooted the Kindle many times before, all while using TWRP, But lately, KFU has not been able to remove root checker so the Kindle gets stuck in TWRP. When i try to reboot it still boots up to TWRP. The only way I can get it back to normal is flashing the update.zip rom i keep on the SDcard just in case.
Any reason on why its doing that, and why it just started recently?
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KFU is broken because a key piece of software is missing from the version of TWRP it now installs. You can do one of the following...
1) Root it manually...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1638452
2) If you know what you are doing, you can edit the batch file to use this workaround...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29186989&postcount=157
3) Download the updated version of TWRP yourself and amend KFU's files\file.log text file with an updated md5 checksum...
http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/79
4) Bug the developer to update KFU to use the recent version of TWRP and hope it downloads correctly
Or you can skip most of that and just install modaco instead of bothering with the rooting process.
Thanks... What do you mean by installing modacco? I thought you needed the root to install the rom....
Sent from my unrooted Rhyme from xda premium
notdeadyet01 said:
Thanks... What do you mean by installing modacco? I thought you needed the root to install the rom....
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You're confusing "root" with having access to recovery.
Hello there, I hope you can help me completely unroot and restore my Kindle Fire (1st gen) to factory settings. As a new member of the forums, the newbie video has me terrified I've missed the one thread detailing how to do this with my current setup.
Anyway, quite some time ago now I decided to root my Kindle Fire. After a few bumps in the road, I managed to do it. Now, months and a new computer (so no more Android SDK installed) later, for various reasons, I'd like to undo it. I'd like to get my Kindle Fire back to its exact state the day it was delivered to me, right down to the stock recovery.
I've looked for tutorials on how to do this, but they all assume you have A) TWRP Recovery or B) CWM Recovery. I have neither. My Kindle Fire has "CWM-based Recovery v5.0.2.7 TouchEdition." I also am still using the stock firmware, currently at 2.6.35.7+ Lite kernel.
Being still very noobish at rooting android devices and never having unrooted one before, I figured it would be best to ask how to do this with my specific setup, rather than risk bricking my Kindle due to differences in procedure between the recovery in a tutorial and my own.
If I copy the latest firmware to my Kindle and choose "apply /sdcard/update.zip" from the recovery menu, will it completely revert my Kindle to stock settings? Would choosing "factory reset" from the menu work?
Thanks in advance for the help, I definitely need it.
Urahara said:
You should first download and install TWRP. Then wipe everything but your external storage, and then install the update.zip with TWRP(it should be the 6.3.1v) Then, of you want it completely restored, you must do a factory reset in the 6.3.1 settings menu.
Cry, Benihime!
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Will installing TWRP over my current recovery cause any problems? I didn't realize you could install one recovery over another.
Again, I'm a noob at this - I'll ask too many questions in an attempt to not screw this up.
To install TWRP over my current recovery, do I simply use the Kindle Fire Utility?
Edit: I have my Kindle plugged in and KFU up and running, and as soon as I get the go-ahead that TWRP can be installed over my current recovery, it shall be done.
Update: I installed TWRP - that was easier than expected. Wiping all but external storage now, then will attempt to install the update.
Update: I got an error when trying to install update.zip, so I'm redownloading the update and booting back into the firmware to copy the new update.zip to the Kindle. Am I correct in believing that the only thing I need to do to copy the file is open the Kindle in Windows explorer?
Final update: All is well with my Kindle. The error I got while flashing update.zip was my own mistake, not following directions to a T. The installation worked, and my Kindle is exactly as it was when I received it.
Now the question is - to root again or not to root again? I wanted to restore my Kindle to stock due to instabilities and crashes it was constantly experiencing, most likely due to a failed OTA update. Now I have to decide whether to go through rooting it again and hoping for the best. I will say, though, TWRP recovery is much more user-friendly than the CWM-based recovery I used when I rooted my Kindle, and TWRP alone nearly makes me want to root it again.
Oh, well, that can be decided later. Thank you for the nudge in the right direction, regardless.
For anyone with similar issues that might stumble upon this thread later, these are the said directions that needed to be followed to a T.
Unroot Kindle Fire 2
Can this method work the Kindle Fire 2. I have problem with its wifi when I can't turn on.
Do you think unrooting KF2 can fix it. Pls show me how to do
vinhntna608 said:
Can this method work the Kindle Fire 2. I have problem with its wifi when I can't turn on.
Do you think unrooting KF2 can fix it. Pls show me how to do
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I would suggest against it as the 2nd gen kindle fires have locked bootloaders and will most assuredly BRICK YOUR KINDLE !!!!you need to go to the kindle fire 2 hd forum and ask you questions there
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Steps I used to return to stock os from a custom rom
1) installed twrp using smirkit tool
2) factory reset and wiped data and caches ( i did not wipe system, i did that once and it bricked my kindle, had to get a factory cable to fix it)
3) downloaded latest amazon update and renamed it to "update.zip" the ,zip part is very important. The moved the update.zip to the sd card
4) flashed in twrp and wiped both caches.
5) stock amazon
6.3.1 or 6.3.2?
Will this work if my system is running version 6.3.2? (Under the Device menu in Settings, I find "Current Version: 6.3.2_user_4110520").
AND Should I install version 6.3.1 OR 6.3.2? If you could provide links to the correct version, I would be much obliged.
I already have TWRP Recovery installed, but when I reinstall the factory ROM, will TWRP be gone?
Thanks, staMerrill
Uggg.... I just want cm10.1 but I have no idea on how to install 2nd bootloader and twrp without bricking Has anyone installed twrp and 2nd bootloader successfully on 8.4.3 I know the methods, but they don't work on 8.4.3... But everyone who tries on 8.4.3 bricks. I need help!
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Brandonrz said:
Uggg.... I just want cm10.1 but I have no idea on how to install 2nd bootloader and twrp without bricking Has anyone installed twrp and 2nd bootloader successfully on 8.4.3 I know the methods, but they don't work on 8.4.3... But everyone who tries on 8.4.3 bricks. I need help!
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I can confirm for sure that it does work.
A little background first: I got my Kindle Fire HD recently and it was on version 8.4.1. I managed to root it fine using the Bin4ry root v30 method (Recent guide - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2337634)
I was then updated to 8.4.3 via an OTA update, so I had to root again using the same Bin4ry v30 method.
After that I waited and read the forums daily to see if anyone had managed to successfully install the second bootloader and TWRP on 8.4.3. Eventually I saw a post from the user: GenghisKhan67 kind of mentioning that he'd done it, but without much further detail. Soon after that I worked up the courage to try it myself. Then came the easy part...
I simply followed hashcode's original thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2128175 ) WORD FOR WORD, including the essential step 4.5. Along the way I made sure every file I downloaded had the correct md5 checksum (I just downloaded some md5 checker I found on Google). And I had previously backed up my Kindle's stock rom using KFFirstAide, but essentially it was the same process as in step one of hashcode's tutorial.
Basically, it worked as it was supposed to without any issues. I successfully got the blue logo. I had the cm 10.1 rom downloaded as a zip file onto my kindle, I booted into TWRP by holding the power and volume up buttons while the kindle was booting. I did all the required wiping via TWRP. Then in TWRP, I clicked the install button, selected the cm 10.1 zip file that was already on my kindle and it installed just fine. I rebooted into the custom rom.
After a short time though, I found that the custom rom had a few bugs and didn't work with every app. (Some games didn't work. Camera didn't work.) so I restored my original stock rom via KFFirstAide using the backup I had already made on there.
I did run into a slight problem when restoring my original rom though. The Kindle was no longer recognized as an adb device on my laptop. To fix that I simply uninstalled and reinstalled the official Kindle Fire adb driver and it worked fine.
pitcrawler said:
I can confirm for sure that it does work.
A little background first: I got my Kindle Fire HD recently and it was on version 8.4.1. I managed to root it fine using the Bin4ry root v30 method (Recent guide - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2337634)
I was then updated to 8.4.3 via an OTA update, so I had to root again using the same Bin4ry v30 method.
After that I waited and read the forums daily to see if anyone had managed to successfully install the second bootloader and TWRP on 8.4.3. Eventually I saw a post from the user: GenghisKhan67 kind of mentioning that he'd done it, but without much further detail. Soon after that I worked up the courage to try it myself. Then came the easy part...
I simply followed hashcode's original thread (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2128175 ) WORD FOR WORD, including the essential step 4.5. Along the way I made sure every file I downloaded had the correct md5 checksum (I just downloaded some md5 checker I found on Google). And I had previously backed up my Kindle's stock rom using KFFirstAide, but essentially it was the same process as in step one of hashcode's tutorial.
Basically, it worked as it was supposed to without any issues. I successfully got the blue logo. I had the cm 10.1 rom downloaded as a zip file onto my kindle, I booted into TWRP by holding the power and volume up buttons while the kindle was booting. I did all the required wiping via TWRP. Then in TWRP, I clicked the install button, selected the cm 10.1 zip file that was already on my kindle and it installed just fine. I rebooted into the custom rom.
After a short time though, I found that the custom rom had a few bugs and didn't work with every app. (Some games didn't work. Camera didn't work.) so I restored my original stock rom via KFFirstAide using the backup I had already made on there.
I did run into a slight problem when restoring my original rom though. The Kindle was no longer recognized as an adb device on my laptop. To fix that I simply uninstalled and reinstalled the official Kindle Fire adb driver and it worked fine.
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Lol that bin4ry root. Was my thread, I will install 2nd bootloader as soon as cm10.1 is stable.
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Brandonrz said:
Lol that bin4ry root. Was my thread.
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And it's a handy guide as well. Hopefully it'll help others.
pitcrawler said:
And it's a handy guide as well. Hopefully it'll help others.
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Ty. But I take no credit. )))
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