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To buy or not to buy?

Hello guys, GSM Galaxy Nexus is probably going to be my new phone these days.
Could somebody tell me what are the advantages and disadvantages of this phone?
PS I know this depends, but I ask everyone individually.

buy 9250 is good......i use 9100 me865 su640 9250,gn is best.......if u have more money,u can wait lg nexus or buy note2 now.....
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not to be rude but seriously this thread has been beaten to death...
use the search function and you will find hundreds of threads giving you the answers you seek

leajian said:
Hello guys, GSM Galaxy Nexus is probably going to be my new phone these days.
Could somebody tell me what are the advantages and disadvantages of this phone?
PS I know this depends, but I ask everyone individually.
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No, I won't buy it right now. Since the last android 4.1.2 (JB) many users (including me) are experiencing casual and frequent reboots (most likely due to the proximity sensor) and neither Google or Samsung are providing decent support or answers for this major issue (it happens very frequently during calls).
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=37485
So delay the purchase or chose another phone; take in consideration a Galaxy 3 if you can afford it, but check in advance if there are outstanding major problems, or a Galaxy 2 that you can get for a cheap price, or an HTC.
You have been warned, buy it a t your risk because Samsung/Google support sucks.

Funny post.
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I'd buy one. Mainly for the fact - 1. If the next nexus is the rumored LG one - It won't have a super amoled screen PLUS the GN looks better. 2 - Software updates would still be awesome for the nexus in spite of another one coming out. 3 - Amazingly cheap.
I broke my nexus on my birthday 2 days back and I'm thinking of buying another one. I had an option to choose between a Nexus, an S3, a note 2 and an iFag 5. I've used them all (Except the iFag) - And trust me, the feel of the GNex can never be beaten.

one2one69 said:
No, I won't buy it right now. Since the last android 4.1.2 (JB) many users (including me) are experiencing casual and frequent reboots (most likely due to the proximity sensor) and neither Google or Samsung are providing decent support or answers for this major issue (it happens very frequently during calls).
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=37485
So delay the purchase or chose another phone; take in consideration a Galaxy 3 if you can afford it, but check in advance if there are outstanding major problems, or a Galaxy 2 that you can get for a cheap price, or an HTC.
You have been warned, buy it a t your risk because Samsung/Google support sucks.
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Faceplam>.<
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one2one69 said:
No, I won't buy it right now. Since the last android 4.1.2 (JB) many users (including me) are experiencing casual and frequent reboots (most likely due to the proximity sensor) and neither Google or Samsung are providing decent support or answers for this major issue (it happens very frequently during calls).
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=37485
So delay the purchase or chose another phone; take in consideration a Galaxy 3 if you can afford it, but check in advance if there are outstanding major problems, or a Galaxy 2 that you can get for a cheap price, or an HTC.
You have been warned, buy it a t your risk because Samsung/Google support sucks.
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this is NOT a common issue... Why no threads on here about it?

Well. I just purchased my gnexus 2 days ago....I ****ing love it!!! Had an s2 before. Its easy to root and the ROMs available are quality. Loving jellybean and don't let the 5mp camera cool you its really not bad at all.
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one2one69 said:
No, I won't buy it right now. Since the last android 4.1.2 (JB) many users (including me) are experiencing casual and frequent reboots (most likely due to the proximity sensor) and neither Google or Samsung are providing decent support or answers for this major issue (it happens very frequently during calls).
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=37485
So delay the purchase or chose another phone; take in consideration a Galaxy 3 if you can afford it, but check in advance if there are outstanding major problems, or a Galaxy 2 that you can get for a cheap price, or an HTC.
You have been warned, buy it a t your risk because Samsung/Google support sucks.
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wow, basically anything you say at this point has no merit. You come to the nexus forum to talk bad about the nexus. You say 'many users' but I would like to see this data. You know this might be a shock to you but sometimes phones are faulty when they ship out and you likely have one of such phones. Contact support and get it replaced. I can only relate my experience, I haven't had a random reboot on my phone since I bought it in july. Also your speculations for the reboot issue is pretty random stabs in the dark, or just roll back to 4.1.1 instead of flashing 4.1.2 just because it's new.
Also notice every phone you list you talk bad about in your signature, im willing to bet its the hand that is holding your phones lol

Personally, the thing that's keeping me from jumping to the next phone is vast array of dev support. There's so many ROMs, kernels, mods (like PGM, trickster) to tweak and customize your phone with. Sure, the hardware is becoming quickly lackluster but in the end it should be the user experience (which can be highly tailored to your liking) that counts.
Easy to root and install roms, first in line for android upgrades for the time being and has adequate hardware. Not bad if you can get it for cheap. :good:

Buy it man, it still worth it, just bought it yesterday and hold it for 8hours no single lag so far, and you never found not working list on any rom
No reboot or anything, battery life still acceptable imo.
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Wait until that ugly LG Nexus comes out then buy the GNex as the price will probably drop.

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wow, basically anything you say at this point has no merit. You come to the nexus forum to talk bad about the nexus. You say 'many users' but I would like to see this data. You know this might be a shock to you but sometimes phones are faulty when they ship out and you likely have one of such phones. Contact support and get it replaced. I can only relate my experience, I haven't had a random reboot on my phone since I bought it in july. Also your speculations for the reboot issue is pretty random stabs in the dark, or just roll back to 4.1.1 instead of flashing 4.1.2 just because it's new.
Also notice every phone you list you talk bad about in your signature, im willing to bet its the hand that is holding your phones lol
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My comment has merit and provides, to the guy asking for support in taking a decision, a useful information. Since there are thousands of users with this outstanding major problem, I gave a suggestion based of facts. I do not speculate, me as well as other thousands users have come to this conclusion; we wouldn't guess if only Samsung or Google had provided an answer. BTW I already provided the info regarding this issue.
If you are happy with this phone, and you do not suffer this outstanding major issue, just provide a "BUY" opinion, instead of bashing others, and respect other community members.
Regarding my phones I've been a happy owner of the HD2, sadly the digitalizer broke for the 3rd time, the only reason to buy a Nexus.
The OMNIA is a crap phone ...yet another Samsung...
I'm not, luckily, one of those "fanatic" that feels enthusiastic about a phone only because they have spent some bucks on it. If something sucks, it sucks. So far is "NO BUY".
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crixley said:
this is NOT a common issue... Why no threads on here about it?
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This issue seems to affect s significant percentage of recent phones. If you look at the link provided you'll see that the thread has been opened just recently and most likely this is the reason why there is no post here.
The other reason is that is someone should ever dare to discuss it here, blaming this marvelous piece of technology, he would be banned by Nexus fanatics, instead of trying to figure out a solution

GSM Nexus:
Pros:
- gets updates immediately and supported twice as long as carrier Android phones
- not bloated
- nice development
- can use on Tmo or Att
- decent price
- carrier unlocked
- good mid-range phone
- easy to root
- can use with a pre-paid sim to save a lot of money over carriers
Cons:
- old hardware doesn't run the latest version of Android lag free IMO, but does an OK job. Even overclocked it stutters at times.
- screen has good blacks but is yellow and grainy, will have to adjust it via root
- one of the worst cameras I have ever had on a smartphone
- wifi signal is garbage
- speaker is garbage

Sure, it has quite a bad speaker, dancing battery cover, for some not-so-good screen,... But in my opinion, it's the only phone worth buying. I have it for almost a year now, and I didn't have a single problem, it works like a Swiss clock. This phone is pure magic. Just buy it.
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Joplisan said:
Sure, it has quite a bad speaker, dancing battery cover, for some not-so-good screen,... But in my opinion, it's the only phone worth buying. I have it for almost a year now, and I didn't have a single problem, it works like a Swiss clock. This phone is pure magic. Just buy it.
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I don't think it has a bad speaker at all, using some apps such as Volume+ fixes it.
Battery cover: never had a problem at all.
Screen: no problems, using a kernel with color changer support makes it even more amazing.

I know that the things I've mentioned above are fixable one way or another but it's fair to point them out. Like I said, I wouldn't buy any other phone. But still, build quality is quite poor, tbh. And that's the only thing that can't be fixed by a simple app or kernel.
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S4 that big of an upgrade?

How big of an upgrade is the American s4 over the at&t s3 I already have. Wait for something else or upgrade?
I value your opinions.
AJ
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Wait, too many gimmick features. You notice they only spent two minute on the specs and 50 minutes on features? Unless if something bad happen to your s3 or you got cash to waste I say wait. The specs not that impressive beside the s3.
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Not worth of an upgrade imo. I'll be sticking with my gs3 until gs5 comes out.

the S4 was meant for 2 categories of people:
1. a percentage of smartphone users that have heard of the galaxy model's success and are eager to transcend their mediocre non-flagship HTC, Motorola, LG 2-year contract freebie phones
2. the 30+ million Galaxy S2 users that are, coincidentally, nearing the end of their 2-year contracts.
that's an almost instant 50 million users that will adopt/upgrade to the S4

The one thing which kills it from being a good update is the Very similar design to S3 , secondly we agree that it has upgraded specs but it is more of an S3 and Note II Hybrid, and as far as i guess, people here will agree.
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xBeerdroiDx said:
the S4 was meant for 2 categories of people:
1. a percentage of smartphone users that have heard of the galaxy model's success and are eager to transcend their mediocre non-flagship HTC, Motorola, LG 2-year contract freebie phones
2. the 30+ million Galaxy S2 users that are, coincidentally, nearing the end of their 2-year contracts.
that's an almost instant 50 million users that will adopt/upgrade to the S4
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+1 on the second one. Only S3, even with nice heavy apps, I find my second core sleeping most of the time So for people on S3 its worth the wait for S5.

Capt said:
Not worth of an upgrade imo. I'll be sticking with my gs3 until gs5 comes out.
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I can imagine quite a few of them gimmicks will also come with the GS5 and then some. I'll probably join the next crowd of users, the 2014 crowd of s3 users whose 2 year contracts expire.

So many thanks to you all. I knew I would get the truth here.
Thanks my friends.
AJ
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Also just so you know, there is a new sticky called "Off-topic other device and upgrading phone discussion" in the General section so that this site will not get bogged down in the next few months about this same topic, which will be discussed many times.

Also, don't forget that Samsung did confirm that some of the software features(hardware willing) will come to the S3. Makes the decision not to upgrade even easier for me.

parsa5 said:
Also, don't forget that Samsung did confirm that some of the software features(hardware willing) will come to the S3. Makes the decision not to upgrade even easier for me.
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While that sounds great and all, AT&T will most likely ruin it even if they do let us have it. I am not getting my hopes up...hence the reason why I have rooted and started using custom ROMs. I like updates...and the lack of bloatware. Not to mention I can make the device truly mine...not how the carriers and the manufacturers think I should use my phone or that their stuff is what I really want.

Yes I agree but we are all on Xda because we stick it to the man(ATT). We get our updates from the great developers of xda and im sure once the next "premium suite" upgrade comes around, it will be ported to a custom TW rom in no time.

my s2 just failed and my upgrade is in August. but Asurion gave me a new s3 as a replacement, and i can still upgrade in August if i want. but forget the s4. only the screen has my attention. I'll be watching the Nexus and Experia lines until the s5 comes out.
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VR32 said:
my s2 just failed and my upgrade is in August. but Asurion gave me a new s3 as a replacement, and i can still upgrade in August if i want. but forget the s4. only the screen has my attention. I'll be watching the Nexus and Experia lines until the s5 comes out.
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The screen is the only thing that I'm interested in to be honest. Hell on my gs3 I'm running tasks AOKP so all the features on the s4 would probably disapear when I'm sure I'd eventually jump to AOSP once android 4.3 or whatever comes out.
The HTC One's screen is supposed to be amazing and I like how HTC sorta changed their design and ideology, I won't get one regardless.
I do like the fact of the larger battery(2,600mHw if I'm not mistaken)compared to our 2,100 I believe, because I love the fact my Galaxy Note 2 will last me 2, sometimes 3 days easily with battery to spare.

I must admit that I'm torn. I upgrade to the successor in the Galaxy S series yearly, but this year I'm leaning toward to HTC One. Samsung failed in releasing a phone which is pretty much the same as its previous years iteration. There is no true upgrade besides the screen size and resolution that of which 75% of humanity can't discern the difference. They're not Apple. They aren't in control of their OS like Apple which has no competition in hardware within iOS. That's why an incremental upgrade works for Apple. Android on the other hand has many different options and premium hardware to compete within the same OS, so Samsung basically telling customers that all you're getting is a few gimmick features and besides that this phone is really a Galaxy S3, will come back to bit them in the ass.

ErebusRaze said:
Android on the other hand has many different options and premium hardware to compete within the same OS, so Samsung basically telling customers that all you're getting is a few gimmick features and besides that this phone is really a Galaxy S3, will come back to bit them in the ass.
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While this is true for those of us who know about these things and actually pay attention to details, Samsung is banking on everyone else (which is the majority). Also if they just quit making S3s and focus on S4s then soon, there will be no S3 phones available new and people will buy the S4 due to no other alternative. It is just trying to utilize their "cash cow" line.

Poll: Reason we as people buy a new phone and whats the motive/selling point

Wanted to start a unusual Poll thread about
Why we buy the latest and greatest phones and whats the motive or reasoning behind it?
Not just about the galaxys or s4..even any device...
Whats become the selling point for you as a "INDIVIDUAL" in your case for instance?
Like many of us phone junkies admit we have had to have it the day it drops.. whats the biggest reason and is it a sickness.
Do our old phones really not do what a phones meant to do at the end of a day? just because a new one has taken its place?
Maybe its cause of the new look
Maybe it's due to the rumored batt life
Maybe its a new design
And maybe its just a habit
For me its about the always improving batt life of upcoming devices. ..
Old phones were plagued with batt life issues i believe now we are overcoming that.
Also for me and the s4 it wasnt the cam that sold me I felt the ir blaster was a very unique feature.
What's your reason?
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I'm a tech junkie so I love having the latest and greatest. I also recently became hooked to root and flashing roms/mods and the development on my previous phone (S3) slowed down a lot. So here I am lol
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lojak29 said:
Wanted to start a unusual Poll thread about
Why we buy the latest and greatest phones and whats the motive or reasoning behind it?
Not just about the galaxys or s4..even any device...
Whats become the selling point for you as a "INDIVIDUAL" in your case for instance?
Like many of us phone junkies admit we have had to have it the day it drops.. whats the biggest reason and is it a sickness.
Do our old phones really not do what a phones meant to do at the end of a day? just because a new one has taken its place?
Maybe its cause of the new look
Maybe it's due to the rumored batt life
Maybe its a new design
And maybe its just a habit
For me its about the always improving batt life of upcoming devices. ..
Old phones were plagued with batt life issues i believe now we are overcoming that.
Also for me and the s4 it wasnt the cam that sold me I felt the ir blaster was a very unique feature.
What's your reason?
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It's almost like a compulsion. I rarely impulse buy and I can take weeks to finally decide on my purchases. I read reviews, speculations, I memorize the specs of all my choices and compare them. The compulsion part comes in because once I get the idea in my head that I really want something I will find a way to get it; I'll make myself believe I need it... I actually almost hate when it comes time to buy a new toy because I put so much time into the pre-purchase. On the other hand, it's also a type of rush. As far as selling points go, it's usually something small and trivial that makes me decide which way to go. Buying my 1st droid I was torn between an LG Nitro and the GS2. I had my mind made up that I wanted the S2 and while in-store I played with both of them. I liked the LG's screen a little bit better and that was the one I bought. The whole reason I got the S4 is because around January I had decided I was going to buy the S3. I had already worked out a deal with a friend to buy his and everything; then I realized the S4's release was very near. In fact, the purchase of this device was the easiest one I've made in quite some time because I had already done the legwork and research on the S3, The hardest part was waiting for release... then deciding which carrier's version to buy, whether to switch carriers or buy outright, etc etc.

Its better to be addicted to new technology then crack. Haha really though it's a hobby for me. Something I enjoy. One can have the fastest and newest features. Plus I like to learn about new technology and development.
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My current phone, a Galaxy S 1, has super slow NAND, and that affects performance quite alot with newer apps being larger than they were 3 years ago.

I use my phone more than any other device I own. I haven't played my PS3 in months and I barely use my tablet. I chose to buy this device because I wanted to get rid of my Galaxy Nexus before it became obsolete. I work and purchasing something like this does not have an effect on my finances because I can afford my gadgets. I know some people just have to have the latest even if it they have to change their lifestyle in order to do so.
I love customizing my phone, but now that I have this device I don't feel the need to. I wish I had bought the Nexus 4 instead. They have a very active community that is all about helping each other out and they are very loyal to their brand. Seems like most of the people who I have seen in the T-Mobile section are teenagers.
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I'm buying a new phone when my old one breaks or becomes too old/slow/buggy for my needs. And I always buy the top of the line models just because I think they'll serve me longer. For example I don't really need a quad core cpu now, but in 2 years from now it might become a minimum requirement to run Google Maps.

lordcheeto03 said:
It's almost like a compulsion. I rarely impulse buy and I can take weeks to finally decide on my purchases. I read reviews, speculations, I memorize the specs of all my choices and compare them. The compulsion part comes in because once I get the idea in my head that I really want something I will find a way to get it; I'll make myself believe I need it... I actually almost hate when it comes time to buy a new toy because I put so much time into the pre-purchase. On the other hand, it's also a type of rush. As far as selling points go, it's usually something small and trivial that makes me decide which way to go. Buying my 1st droid I was torn between an LG Nitro and the GS2. I had my mind made up that I wanted the S2 and while in-store I played with both of them. I liked the LG's screen a little bit better and that was the one I bought. The whole reason I got the S4 is because around January I had decided I was going to buy the S3. I had already worked out a deal with a friend to buy his and everything; then I realized the S4's release was very near. In fact, the purchase of this device was the easiest one I've made in quite some time because I had already done the legwork and research on the S3, The hardest part was waiting for release... then deciding which carrier's version to buy, whether to switch carriers or buy outright, etc etc.
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Feel just like you man. I have had almost 40 different phones in the past few years. Any high end phone I have probably bought....drives the wife crazy. Funny thing is that I'm not an impulse shopper with anything else but phones. I can walk to the AT&T store right now and chances are I'm walking out with something new.....so I try to avoid them lol
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I bought it for the prompt and timely updates from Samsung and T-Mobile.

I'm still in therapy trying to figure out what the cause of this 'have to buy new device sickness' is. I'll post back in a couple of years when I get off the couch
But seriously, I enjoy having a newer version of my current device because it's something new, even if the changes are subtle. But I've always gotten the newer version usually months later, mostly due to not being eligible for a subsidized device under contract for 22 months, for example, with Sprint. But with T-Mobile, I'll be able to get the newer device when available due to their 'No Contract' option with annual eligibility for a new device, and twice a year eligibility for newer devices with the 'Jump' program, although newer versions of the same device, S2-S3 and S3-S4 for example, drop once a year. My last few devices have been Samsung upgrades. But I can change manufactures if the model warrants it, and then it would be possible to upgrade maybe twice a year. But Samsung Galaxy series have been berry, berry good to me
With the above being said, you'll NEVER see me waiting on a line outside the store waiting to get a new device the day it comes out, and obviously you won't see me in a tent overnight or for days on end waiting to be one of the first to get a new device. Now that's a Sickness, imho :silly:
I'll wait a few days or weeks until the device is available without the lines, or when it's back in stock.
Now back to the 'couch' already in session lol!

I bought the phone because I am a huge fan of the newest technology. I skipped on the one simply because the button layout, HTC sense, and the screen being a tiny bit smaller. Having the latest technology intrigues me (and poor impulse control lol) to buy these new gadgets.
As of now I'm really only interested in Samsung and Nexus devices unless something else over shadows those. There's no real good reason for upgrading every time a new phone is available for me. A phone from a year or two ago would suffice but I just have to have the latest and greatest. Its definitely an American mentality.
It's easier to click "thanks" than type it.

I'm still using my Galaxy S1 and after 2.5 years the battery is almost gone.
The phone has become really slow and hangs a lot.
Thus, I just ordered a new S4

I had a LG G2X for over 2 years. Always hated the camera and screen size, but when it first came out it was good. Got slower and slower over the months. Got to the point where if I downloaded an app over 30mb it wouldnt run on the phone so I gave up on it. Looked up all kind of reviews of the S4 for about 2 months before I dished out the cash for it.
The things that one me over were:
Camera
IR Blaster
Performance specs
& Support I THOUGHT it was coming with.

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Hahaha. Then you bought it for the wrong reasons. Lol

current phone g2x POS , dead pixel (so line on the screen), intermittent Bluetooth cut out when backlit buttons light up or go out. and general nvidia/lg crappy build support for drivers.
going to s4 on the 16th as soon am my contract is over. root remove bloat and be happy.
i replace a phone when it no longer dose what i need it to do. g2x issues gps / Bluetooth , forced to use stock roms if you want to be able to make calls and having working Bluetooth if you made the mistake of updating the base band to get gps working.....been waiting for my contract to be done for the last 2 months i can almost see the light at the end of the tunnel 8 more days and i can retire the g2x to become a backup mp3 alarm clock and gps nav device...

For me its a hobby to get new phones. I havent use any phone for more than 6 months.
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I LOVE tinkering and twiddling with my devices. I generally keep a phone over a year or until a badly thought out mod kills it, but last phone had next to no development. I kinda splurged on this one. It's my first very high end one and I LOVE it. Made me realize that almost all the mods I've been doing on various phones were to get them closer to the level this one is.

wanna hear a story i work at a cellphone retail store my boss love iphones
the first time i got a phone was a blackberry slow as **** then i went to sprint and got 2 option the 4s or the galaxy s2
i went with the s2 of course i hate iphones
since then i learn about rooting,flashing etc
xda has the best customer service lol
since then i had the s2,s3,note 2 and now the note 3
why i buy samsung phone easy to customize root,removal battery and sd card
im a music junkie and no other phone has what Samsung phones offer,
i play with all new device since i work in a cellphone retail but in the end samsung for me
sorry for my bad english and bad grammar

Well I have always purchased Android phones, and I picked up the Galaxy S4 after my Galaxy Nexus bit the dust.. switched to T-Mobile to get the unlimited data and I've been incredibly happy with them so far

I like to have the it phone so people admire it, and ask me to customize theirs.
To make $ rooting and flashing it has to be a phone a lot of people have.
For me it's been g1, g2, Hercules, s3, s4. Samsung will likely have the next one: s5
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JUMP!ing to Another Device, NEED HELP!

Well it has been fun guys, I have definitely loved the experience of having the Note 3, but my 6 months are up and quite frankly, I just don't want it anymore. Just wish Cyanogenmod was kept up to date as fast as the S4 or Nexus 5. Anyway, it has been a great experience, and the community has been awesome for the most part. I just have one question to ask before I go for good...
Which one do I get???
Galaxy S5 or the Nexus 5??? OR maybe something else? Please help me decide XDA! Most of you guys know me as an experienced developer, and I am leaning towards the Nexus 5, but any reason why I should go with something else???
Thank you so much!!
WDM - Korey

I've been thinking about getting the new HTC one (m8). With an SD card slot, I'm thinking about moving back to htc. With Knox and a possibility of a locked bootloader Samsung is not going to be an option for the next phone I get. But if you are more into the pure Android experience and cm the Nexus 5 is a great phone too. Though there is a GPe version of the One which will be ported to the carriers by someone here.
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Man, after finally getting my hands on the 3, I just can't imagine why anyone would want to jump ship!
It's an amazing devise and there's so much development for it!
Having said that, the GS5 is gorgeous (of course), but I think if I were in your shoes (and just wanted away from the Note) I'd go with the newest Nexus series that's out.
Talk about your deluge of roms! Not only that, but if all else fails, you've got a rock solid stock Android experience you can always return too. That's highly compelling, to me at least.
Good luck with your decision, but I just know you'll miss having that 3 in your pocket and on your desk.

I'm in the same boat. I've decided on the HTC One m8 since you can have the best of both worlds (Google Play Rom should be available soon) and the hardware is fantastic. I just hope I don't get flak for Knox being tripped and that is the reason for me giving up on Samsung devices since I like to tinker with my devices.

I wouldn't jump to the S 5 since the bootloader is allegedly locked.

mattlgroff said:
I wouldn't jump to the S 5 since the bootloader is allegedly locked.
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Damn...well I would bet a lot of money that it will be unlocked in a week after release. Anyone wanna take me up on that?
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I would have thought the same about resetting 0X1 knox, too, but we all know that hasn't happened yet.

True lol
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Pointless...
Here's a link to T-Mobile's S5 webpage with specs...
http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phones/samsung-galaxy-s-5.html
I have an honest and legit question for you, actually a question I've been thinking about as well since I am ready to JUMP as of yesterday.
Why go get a S5 that has
a. A smaller screen then the Note3
b. 2gb of ram instead of the Note3's 3gb
c. Doesn't have the S-Pen (debatable depending on your actual use)
d. Both run KitKat stock
I understand the S5 has a 2.5ghz quad core and the Note3 only (lol) has a 2.3ghz quad core but is that .2ghz really nominal? I don't personally think so. Plus you loose 1gb of ram, which to me (running lots of apps) is a big deal.
I honestly have to say after doing some research, until T-Mobile releases a phone substantially better than the Note3 I have no reason to JUMP.
Opinions?
-DJ Nuff Said

I just don't like the lack of support for the device in the Dev community. Also, I'm tired of having such a big phone. It's a little excessive IMO
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Whosdaman said:
I just don't like the lack of support for the device in the Dev community. Also, I'm tired of having such a big phone. It's a little excessive IMO
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I agree with you on the dev part in a way. Yes, we don't have as much dev support (like the s2, s3, s4) but I think the dev support we do have is very solid. Yeah the jump to KK is buggy but that will go away soon enough. and if .6" less of screen really makes a huge difference of how much space it takes up in your pocket, then maybe you should buy a larger size of pants LOL jk man

djnuffsaid said:
I agree with you on the dev part in a way. Yes, we don't have as much dev support (like the s2, s3, s4) but I think the dev support we do have is very solid. Yeah the jump to KK is buggy but that will go away soon enough. and if .6" less of screen really makes a huge difference of how much space it takes up in your pocket, then maybe you should buy a larger size of pants LOL jk man
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Lol, well like I said I'm more leaning towards nexus 5, and potentially iPhone 6 or Nexus 6 later this year. Just because I want to try the new thing
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What lurks in my gray matter
I have been in this dilemma since leaving verizon 2 weeks ago, best decision ever btw!
Here is why I have decided to get the note 3 , yet again after leaving verizon
1- S5 , from the rumors will have locked bootlaoder, I cant believe T-mobile is following the evil tracks, really upsets me , but I think in the long run, only nexus devices will be allowed to be modded without voiding warranty. S5 will also have knox, so even if we hacked the bootloader, form the look of things it will hinder your Jump program and warranty claims ( something I am pooping my pants over right now, and I am thinking of downgrading my Jump program to basic insurance ) . Aside form that S5 like stated above, has less ram, more pixel density that you will mostly not notice , no stylus, and I kinda dig the faux leather thing with note 3. The only thing I used to think has going for it is the wifi boost technology but I am on 1 gb plan and no way will I use my Lte to supplement my wifi , so its a useless feature. Also my fingers are too big for 5 inch screens, I cant tolerate having to re-write every word 3 times.
2-Nexus devices, I think are now the only developer friendly left devices, with perseverance of warranty, but again I hate 5 inch screens, I hate lack of SD cards , specially that most carriers are Data mining to make money, since all of a sudden they have enough resources for unlimited text and talk , but not data. I am seriously considering nexus if they offer bigger screen and bigger on board memory, 64 gb on board and i might even compromise on the lack of 5.8 inch screens. Also I am not sure about removable battery, but I love to be prepared, and lack of ability to change batteries on the go is a major down side for me.
3-HTC one m8: after i had the rezound i vowed to never go back to HTC, but they have improved dramatically recently. But once again, they are now all s-on , not sure unlocking them using htcdev and the voiding of warranty . but again you lose changing the battery on the fly, the massive 5.8 inch screen, a gig of ram for a unibody that will get covered in a seidio case anyway. Camera is also subpar , but thats very subjective I think.
now I am paying the devil's advocate and tell you why should run and upgrade now :
1- I am assuming your knox is tripped, I feel like over night t-mobile will stop rejecting knox phones, so get your phone turned in before they do that. I still have an entire year before i pay off half my balance, during which I am praying for a knox reset method ( yeah i know its easier to establish a colony on Mars ) or I might have to throw it under my car
2- if you are into modding, and i believe that you are if you are on this forum, bear in mind that we are only satisfied when we mod our devices, we are not apple users. Sadly, i feel like android is taking the turn towards apple's philosophy in closed sourceness ( not a word , i know ) . I even said to my self, i dont need an unlocked bootloader and a root with my verizon note 3, its a beast and it gives me option to disable progs and with 3 gigs of ram it can withstand all the bloatware verizon throws at it. BIG mistake, hence why I am on t-mobile ( among other reasons ). We will never be satisfied with stock. So seriously consider Nexus devices ( since they are Jump eligible and I dont think modding them voids Jump but who knows , )
Right now as I see it, Sony, HTC , Samsung and even LG are all locked up and you are gambling staying stock till you are able to Jump yet again. Look at verizon's and ATT bootloaders , they are still locked, and all of our knoxes are tripped. I absolutely hate saying this but the difference in modding between Apple and Android is going to get very blurred. Can you imagine yourself with an iphone?
waw , end of rant ! thanks for the thread that finally let me vent, I hope the thread wont get moved to general
let us know you decision !!

Whosdaman said:
Lol, well like I said I'm more leaning towards nexus 5, and potentially iPhone 6 or Nexus 6 later this year. Just because I want to try the new thing
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Touché.

jmichaels1982 said:
I have been in this dilemma since leaving verizon 2 weeks ago, best decision ever btw!
Here is why I have decided to get the note 3 , yet again after leaving verizon
1- S5 , from the rumors will have locked bootlaoder, I cant believe T-mobile is following the evil tracks, really upsets me , but I think in the long run, only nexus devices will be allowed to be modded without voiding warranty. S5 will also have knox, so even if we hacked the bootloader, form the look of things it will hinder your Jump program and warranty claims ( something I am pooping my pants over right now, and I am thinking of downgrading my Jump program to basic insurance ) . Aside form that S5 like stated above, has less ram, more pixel density that you will mostly not notice , no stylus, and I kinda dig the faux leather thing with note 3. The only thing I used to think has going for it is the wifi boost technology but I am on 1 gb plan and no way will I use my Lte to supplement my wifi , so its a useless feature. Also my fingers are too big for 5 inch screens, I cant tolerate having to re-write every word 3 times.
2-Nexus devices, I think are now the only developer friendly left devices, with perseverance of warranty, but again I hate 5 inch screens, I hate lack of SD cards , specially that most carriers are Data mining to make money, since all of a sudden they have enough resources for unlimited text and talk , but not data. I am seriously considering nexus if they offer bigger screen and bigger on board memory, 64 gb on board and i might even compromise on the lack of 5.8 inch screens. Also I am not sure about removable battery, but I love to be prepared, and lack of ability to change batteries on the go is a major down side for me.
3-HTC one m8: after i had the rezound i vowed to never go back to HTC, but they have improved dramatically recently. But once again, they are now all s-on , not sure unlocking them using htcdev and the voiding of warranty . but again you lose changing the battery on the fly, the massive 5.8 inch screen, a gig of ram for a unibody that will get covered in a seidio case anyway. Camera is also subpar , but thats very subjective I think.
now I am paying the devil's advocate and tell you why should run and upgrade now :
1- I am assuming your knox is tripped, I feel like over night t-mobile will stop rejecting knox phones, so get your phone turned in before they do that. I still have an entire year before i pay off half my balance, during which I am praying for a knox reset method ( yeah i know its easier to establish a colony on Mars ) or I might have to throw it under my car
2- if you are into modding, and i believe that you are if you are on this forum, bear in mind that we are only satisfied when we mod our devices, we are not apple users. Sadly, i feel like android is taking the turn towards apple's philosophy in closed sourceness ( not a word , i know ) . I even said to my self, i dont need an unlocked bootloader and a root with my verizon note 3, its a beast and it gives me option to disable progs and with 3 gigs of ram it can withstand all the bloatware verizon throws at it. BIG mistake, hence why I am on t-mobile ( among other reasons ). We will never be satisfied with stock. So seriously consider Nexus devices ( since they are Jump eligible and I dont think modding them voids Jump but who knows , )
Right now as I see it, Sony, HTC , Samsung and even LG are all locked up and you are gambling staying stock till you are able to Jump yet again. Look at verizon's and ATT bootloaders , they are still locked, and all of our knoxes are tripped. I absolutely hate saying this but the difference in modding between Apple and Android is going to get very blurred. Can you imagine yourself with an iphone?
waw , end of rant ! thanks for the thread that finally let me vent, I hope the thread wont get moved to general
let us know you decision !!
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I definitely will. No worries about that. I've had a lot of people say get the HTC one since it has Dev edition. Which makes sense because it is basically the more improved nexus.
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What are you talking about, we've got: cm, carbon ROM, temasek, will03, team gummy, probably others that I'm missing. You've only got one phone, how much flashing do you actually do? But this phone beasts every phone out there as far looks and specs go

nighthawk626 said:
What are you talking about, we've got: cm, carbon ROM, temasek, will03, team gummy, probably others that I'm missing. You've only got one phone, how much flashing do you actually do? But this phone beasts every phone out there as far looks and specs go
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Enough to know I have 2.
Besides, cm you can't even make phone calls from. And most of those you listed are cm based. The problem is that cm doesn't have active devs working on fixing the issues. We still don't have NFC, which plagues every ROM that is cm based. When the source isn't being worked on, how can you expect the rest to be any better? Really the best ROM out for the Note 3 is either carbon, if you like it, or stock KitKat. Pretty sad from what I see. Especially since I got this phone mainly for the development support and because it is so bad ass. But what good is that when you can't get consistent performance out of any of the roms, including stock.
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jmichaels1982 said:
I have been in this dilemma since leaving verizon 2 weeks ago, best decision ever btw!
S5 will also have knox, so even if we hacked the bootloader, form the look of things it will hinder your Jump program and warranty claims ( something I am pooping my pants over right now, and I am thinking of downgrading my Jump program to basic insurance )
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It won't.
I returned a Knox 0x1 Note 3 to T-Mobile under the basic manufacturer's warranty (I don't pay for insurance because I never, ever destroyed a phone in my life) and got a brand new replacement, no questions asked. Many others have reported success returning/trading in Knox 0x1 devices to T-Mobile as well; do a search.
The only things they care about are no physical damage, untripped liquid intrusion sticker, and that it turns on. T-Mobile's refurbisher resets the Knox flag back to 0x0 when they refurbish the phone anyway. Obviously, flash it back to unrooted stock and do a factory reset before you send it in.
Cost me a total of $20 for the T-Mobile warranty processing fee.
If you send it back straight to Samsung, though, they'll deny warranty service as BER (beyond economical repair). T-Mobile FTW.

This may help in your decision.
http://youtu.be/eZ5fl3cHsDY

I see your point
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It won't.
I returned a Knox 0x1 Note 3 to T-Mobile under the basic manufacturer's warranty (I don't pay for insurance because I never, ever destroyed a phone in my life) and got a brand new replacement, no questions asked. Many others have reported success returning/trading in Knox 0x1 devices to T-Mobile as well; do a search.
The only things they care about are no physical damage, untripped liquid intrusion sticker, and that it turns on. T-Mobile's refurbisher resets the Knox flag back to 0x0 when they refurbish the phone anyway. Obviously, flash it back to unrooted stock and do a factory reset before you send it in.
Cost me a total of $20 for the T-Mobile warranty processing fee.
If you send it back straight to Samsung, though, they'll deny warranty service as BER (beyond economical repair). T-Mobile FTW.
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Right that is the current situation. I am just afraid of the future since I am sure t-mobile will catch on to it with samsung denying claims for knox tripped phones. Hence my statement, go get a knox free phone that you can mod without fear of losing Jump in the future.
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Whosdaman said:
I definitely will. No worries about that. I've had a lot of people say get the HTC one since it has Dev edition. Which makes sense because it is basically the more improved nexus.
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How do you Jump to a developer edition device ? I thought these are not offered on t-mobile Jump plans

Galaxy Note 4 Root Progress

Hello everyone, I just wanted to make a thread for us to comment on the root progress for our devices. This thread is for both developers and regular people to communicate about the progress of the root. Thanks!

So far there is no progress so this thread will stay empty. If there is progress on the future then there will be a thread started in the development section I'm pretty sure.
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This thread is to mirror Verizon's side of the root topic, we need to communicate and get on top of this. I understand there is no root, but we need to discuss the path to freedom.
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Simsron1 said:
This thread is to mirror Verizon's side of the root topic, we need to communicate and get on top of this. I understand there is no root, but we need to discuss the path to freedom.
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There is already multiple threads on this... Nice attempt though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-att/general/bounty-att-note-4-root-knox-list-pledges-t2946770
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-att/general/att-petition-bootloader-t2949551

Those are bounties and petitions, I didn't want to clog that thread up with discussion, so that's what this is designed for.
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No offense but this thread is useless.

Android300ZX said:
No offense but this thread is useless.
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Yeah... I don't really see what there is to talk about either.
When a dev makes progress, they will post something. Until then threads like this are just 'chat rooms'.
But that's OK, in the end I don't have to read the thread, right? So carry on.

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This is where we are at right now. Seems as if the higher profile developers either dont want to say anything or claim they are not
working on the Note 4.
However! - Dont expect any dev to pop in with with "HIYA GUYS!, We are currently doing this, this and this and will have root soon! toodle doo!"
Root comes when it comes. we are confident it WILL come, but we dont know when,
Lets start hoping for Santa Claus.

To me the silence is not good. Every phone I've owned that's had root has had a dev at least mention they are looking into it or working on it. Even if vague there is usually something ....

What I'm wondering is why we aren't seeing progress. I have a few theories, such as is it because this is only two carriers who locked out a phone that isn't selling? Is it because everyone's waiting for L to drop which is supposed to have a magic root bypass? Is it because the big guns are waiting for a decent bounty?
Personally, the lack of actual dev discussion is troublesome. As if no one is even concerned at all.
For users, root is the ability to fix problems, is it possible that this phone just doesn't have the problems that would create a desperate need for root?
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Snarksneeze said:
What I'm wondering is why we aren't seeing progress. I have a few theories, such as is it because this is only two carriers who locked out a phone that isn't selling? Is it because everyone's waiting for L to drop which is supposed to have a magic root bypass? Is it because the big guns are waiting for a decent bounty?
Personally, the lack of actual dev discussion is troublesome. As if no one is even concerned at all.
For users, root is the ability to fix problems, is it possible that this phone just doesn't have the problems that would create a desperate need for root?
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I feel we are going to have to live without root. I have come to accept it, and actually don't think I will root it when/if it does happen.
This phone has developed nicely into a stable, functional platform for all I need it to do. With Android Lollipop I think that will be extended even further.

boufa said:
This phone has developed nicely into a stable, functional platform for all I need it to do. With Android Lollipop I think that will be extended even further.
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Android is about freedom. It's about being able to do what you want with the device you paid for.
Imagine if car dealers had the ability to lock out certain features in each automobile they sold.
I'm tired of companies like AT&T and Verizon trying to tell me what I can or can't do with something that I bought and paid for with my own hard-earned cash.
For years we were able to find ways around their restrictions and were able to keep our devices up to date and on the bleeding edge of innovation. But now for no good reason the very companies that rely on my continued patronage are locking down products that I own and it's getting harder to stay ahead of them.
For the majority of Android users, these are acceptable terms for being able to purchase the device with small payments over time. But even once the phone is paid for AT&T refuses to unlock the bootloaders.
I think it's time I start making my voice heard with my wallet by taking my business to companies that respect my freedom and leaving AT&T to the people who don't really care about theirs.
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Snarksneeze said:
Android is about freedom. It's about being able to do what you want with the device you paid for.
Imagine if car dealers had the ability to lock out certain features in each automobile they sold.
I'm tired of companies like AT&T and Verizon trying to tell me what I can or can't do with something that I bought and paid for with my own hard-earned cash.
For years we were able to find ways around their restrictions and were able to keep our devices up to date and on the bleeding edge of innovation. But now for no good reason the very companies that rely on my continued patronage are locking down products that I own and it's getting harder to stay ahead of them.
For the majority of Android users, these are acceptable terms for being able to purchase the device with small payments over time. But even once the phone is paid for AT&T refuses to unlock the bootloaders.
I think it's time I start making my voice heard with my wallet by taking my business to companies that respect my freedom and leaving AT&T to the people who don't really care about theirs.
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I agree with you, and to be honest, I don't know what I'd do when I get root. It's the fact that I can't do something right note that bothers me, in fact, I might not change anything but the fact that I can will keep me at ease and happy.
I would've switched to T-Mobile, but I just cannot bring myself to it with their bad coverage. I also find a certain thrill to breaking the rules, I find it fun to circumvent a multi million dollar companies attempt to "lock the hood of my car".
For that, I remain vigilant, I remain peaceful. But when root comes, I shall participate just because I can, just as once the government banned the sale, manufacture, distribution, and consumption of alcohol, many began drinking just because there was a ban.
I'm naturally rebellious, and I can't wait to rub it in their ignorant faces.
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I partially agree...if you completely paid for the phone out right, u should have option to void your warranty and root and what ever. But if you make payments, you shouldn't have the right to do what ever you want cause you don't own it. If you finance or lease a car you don't own it. And you leaving AT&T to make your voice me heard...this is a very old argument/threat..the rooting/development community is an extreme minority and you leaving cause you can't root your phone is soooo under their radar that it's like a grain of sand on a beach. I would love to root and get rid of the garbage apps and Carrier IQ. And I'm sure it will happen down the road. But AT&T will laugh behind your back and say good bye cause you will either pay off the remainder of your contract, pay off the remainder of your phone, or they made their profit off you buying phone out right. Either way, they win.
Snarksneeze said:
Android is about freedom. It's about being able to do what you want with the device you paid for.
Imagine if car dealers had the ability to lock out certain features in each automobile they sold.
I'm tired of companies like AT&T and Verizon trying to tell me what I can or can't do with something that I bought and paid for with my own hard-earned cash.
For years we were able to find ways around their restrictions and were able to keep our devices up to date and on the bleeding edge of innovation. But now for no good reason the very companies that rely on my continued patronage are locking down products that I own and it's getting harder to stay ahead of them.
For the majority of Android users, these are acceptable terms for being able to purchase the device with small payments over time. But even once the phone is paid for AT&T refuses to unlock the bootloaders.
I think it's time I start making my voice heard with my wallet by taking my business to companies that respect my freedom and leaving AT&T to the people who don't really care about theirs.
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tep065 said:
I partially agree...if you completely paid for the phone out right, u should have option to void your warranty and root and what ever. But if you make payments, you shouldn't have the right to do what ever you want cause you don't own it. If you finance or lease a car you don't own it. And you leaving AT&T to make your voice me heard...this is a very old argument/threat..the rooting/development community is an extreme minority and you leaving cause you can't root your phone is soooo under their radar that it's like a grain of sand on a beach. I would love to root and get rid of the garbage apps and Carrier IQ. And I'm sure it will happen down the road. But AT&T will laugh behind your back and say good bye cause you will either pay off the remainder of your contract, pay off the remainder of your phone, or they made their profit off you buying phone out right. Either way, they win.
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It's unfortunate, but true.
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Coming from a Nexus 5 with a flashing addiction I'm completely happy with my at&t edge even without root. I thought I'd get the shakes and freak out but I'm alright. I just want root for viper4android honestly and I wouldn't mind maybe a debloated slightly tweaked rom but I can live without both.

It looks like it the AT&T Note 4 is going to get root someone who is posting on these forms is going to have to learn how to do it. I have not seen anything about anyone even looking at getting root for this device.
After the problems the Note3 had on AT&T most devs just avoided this variant all together.
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It's too bad, because I really want this phone, but I want root. Otherwise it will feel like a downgrade from my Note 3. :crying:

sireniankyle said:
It's too bad, because I really want this phone, but I want root. Otherwise it will feel like a downgrade from my Note 3. :crying:
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I've seen and held my friend's Note 3, it's not a downgrade in any area :good:

Clienterror said:
Coming from a Nexus 5 with a flashing addiction I'm completely happy with my at&t edge even without root. I thought I'd get the shakes and freak out but I'm alright. I just want root for viper4android honestly and I wouldn't mind maybe a debloated slightly tweaked rom but I can live without both.
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Yeah viper, xposed, greenify, amplify is all really want from root.