Hello,
I'm using an app called RAM EXpander to increase swap in order to unlag my phone wich is running many many apps...
Since our Xperia S doesnt have much ram, this was the only solution to keep everything running and to not make lag in my phone..
So the question is, how safe can be the use of this kind of apps in relation of the flash memory usage (readings/writings)..
AFAIK it'll do some harm in the long term, but what long term means?? 2 years? 1 month and it'll kill my phone flash memory?? 10 years??
I've seen in XDA and all over the web, people that comment on how bad is using flash as a swap because of the writing limitations in flash memory, but still havent seen an actual case of a dead flash memory... LOL
thank you in advance
As far as I know the only "downside" of using Swap is that it degrades the SDcard, shortening it's life, but it's only noticeable after long periods of usage ( 5/6 years ? ) because of the constant write when swapping inactive blocks from the RAM to the swap partition. Neither you or I have seen dead SDcards because almost no one keeps the same phone for so many years, considering that those who use SWAP tends to need more performance from the phone and, consequently, ends up upgrading the phone itself in about 2/3 years maximum.
Even tho, I don't see swap as a good alternative for "better" multitasking.. sdcard has much slower write/read speeds comparing to RAM (even SSDs are much slower), so re-opening purged apps can be way faster than just swapping it back to the RAM. But it's my opinion
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Right, i have quite a bit of stuff installed, but it's all on my memory card. Yet i keep getting Low Internal Memory warnings, i've only got 32mb left. I don't know what could be taking up so much memory on the phone, is there any way to tell?
Thanks
Install DiskUsage from the market. It'll show you how your storage memory is used.
Root it with Gingerbreak, then use Link2SD, free from the Market. It's basically Apps2SD+, and moves the entirety of the app to the SD.
I've got 60 apps installed and 200mb free.
Everything's dandy, even on a crappy class 6 SD card.
Took me 5 mins in total.
I've got a Neo, but same applies to Arc.
The Xperia Arc has 1GB internal storage, however only around 300MB is actually usable. Even if you move your apps to your SD card, it will still leave traces of it on the internal memory, and thus will take up space on both your SD card and the very limited internal storage of the Arc.
love the phone but internal memory issues
I want to upgrade from galaxy S to SII, but whats holding me back is this lucrative looking beast, design and screen is simply tempting. One worry. Compared to galaxy's gigantic internal memory this beast rests in denial. Like how to manage the android OS with so less internal memory, Os is demanding.
Is there any safe work around to manage the freekiing features and independencies of the OS. I am in love with android & some how I get apps that boosts my daily life, so I use a lot of apps. Plz guide me if I can look for owning Arc. Howz the battery life, will it live upto a day (1.5hrs of music, 15mins of video, 1.5-2 hrs of calling, 45 mins browsing & always online on native Gtalk and Nimbuzz). Plz reply soon I am out of droids now.
i think with the 2.3.3 update it should leave you with more than 50-60 % charge. It also depends on the data usage (Wifi or 3g or 2g). I easily do about 2.3 hours of music 3 mins of vids watching, atleast 30 mins of gaming(2d or 3d-hd), 1 hour of talking and checking mails via 3g and from morning 6 am to night 10 pm i usually have more than 60% charge left.
Then again it differs from day to day. User to User
Hmm.. If its true i m goin to wipe my phone, cause 3 hrs of gaming thats all i get
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But What about internal memory
Friends you didn't comment on the internal memory handling. Are the apps lagging on day to day use. Plz let me know.
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Friends you didn't comment on the internal memory handling. Are the apps lagging on day to day use. Plz let me know.
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I did experience lagging. But then, I upgraded to 2.3.3 and then factory reset.
then it runs fast.
I think the RAM is too low compared to other smartphone. My Desire Z, it has only 800 MHz processor, but it has 768 RAM and 1 GB internal storage.
The more you install app, the more it consumes RAM. You should maintain free RAM at least 40% to avoid lagging. So, you have to move apps to SD, but the problem is that not all apps can be moved to SD.
Is there any way to move "all apps" to SD (not just few apps)?
Guide on buying xperia arc
For moving all the apps device needs rooting I am just scared that this doesn't ruin the basic quality features of the device like media playback like music clarity and video clarity.
For those who have not yet rooted their Tab Pro, how easy is it to identify the size of the bloatware on the tab? The 16gb seems inefficient when playing some of those gameloft titles, but I have a feeling that only 9gb or so was free (similar to S4 phone). While I do understand that their extra software takes up some space, I don't see how this can occupy various gigabytes worth of data...
(Bought 64gb extra, but due to android 4.4 limitations, you can only transfer a limited amount of data across (unless rooted))
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For those who have not yet rooted their Tab Pro, how easy is it to identify the size of the bloatware on the tab? The 16gb seems inefficient when playing some of those gameloft titles, but I have a feeling that only 9gb or so was free (similar to S4 phone). While I do understand that their extra software takes up some space, I don't see how this can occupy various gigabytes worth of data...
(Bought 64gb extra, but due to android 4.4 limitations, you can only transfer a limited amount of data across (unless rooted))
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Bloatware causes 3 major problems, it takes up space/storage capacity, uses up your RAM and runs in the background draining your battery faster. RAM is the most crucial part because it's one of the most expensive hardware component and every time it's used up, your tablet crashes. As apps becomes more and more complex, it needs more RAM to run smoothly.
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Bloatware causes 3 major problems, it takes up space/storage capacity, uses up your RAM and runs in the background draining your battery faster. RAM is the most crucial part because it's one of the most expensive hardware component and every time it's used up, your tablet crashes. As apps becomes more and more complex, it needs more RAM to run smoothly.
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is there a definite list of the apps that can be removed with confidence? I rooted the 10.1 and removed some of the things that I suspected but I think there is more to remove, the tablet almost always has 75% RAM consumed
how many mb left after you clear the RAM?
thanks
no one knows?
i just dont want to have a flagship with free ram 500mb only like S6 edge
You do know that free ram isn't a factor on performance with Android right? Also get rid of your bloat. My L90 has almost 400 free all the time and i have a gig of ram.
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You do know that free ram isn't a factor on performance with Android right? Also get rid of your bloat. My L90 has almost 400 free all the time and i have a gig of ram.
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I know
But my xiaomi redmi 1s has 400mb free ram and my super expensive S6 EDGE only has 500mb left after I clear the RAM
And no ... bloatware removal and everything don't help
It makes my Chrome browser reload reload reload reload reload the page over and over and over and over again
Wasting my mobile data plan
All i want to know is how much the free ram on the G4
Hope this helps!
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Hope this helps!
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many thanks!!
My H815 had about 1.4GB free after cleaning open apps pretty much after just starting it up and not installing much.
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how many mb left after you clear the RAM?
thanks
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free ram is wasted ram, keep this in mind if you are looking for best performance and not just for a good illusionary feeling to have a lot of capacity in reserve
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You do know that free ram isn't a factor on performance with Android right? Also get rid of your bloat. My L90 has almost 400 free all the time and i have a gig of ram.
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Wait what?
First you tell him RAM no matter for performance - which is utter nonsense & one simple bit of proof on that is the fact since day 1 of the first Droid phone - 2009 - we have gone from 256 to 512 to 1gb to 2gb to 3gb & some are about to push 4gb RAM. If it's not a performance benefit why is that 1 spec that has & does continued to grow? Because it SERIOUSLY matters for performance.
But then you contradict yourself by telling him to clear bloat... but if RAM does not matter why advise cleaning out bloatware?
Ps - do some research on the S6 memory leak... RAM matters & phones with 1gb RAM should be outlawed
Oh I'm sorry perhaps I should have just done this http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Free ram does not matter as I was saying. if your phone is laggy the main reason for this will be the BLOAT that is installed by your carrier or the os itself. Ram works differently in android than it does on windows and other operating systems. so as I said FREE RAM. doesn't matter as long as you have enough on it for whatever programs you are running. 1 gig works just fine for everything I do. Then again I don't game on my phone, I do that on a computer or a console.
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Oh I'm sorry perhaps I should have just done this http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
Free ram does not matter as I was saying. if your phone is laggy the main reason for this will be the BLOAT that is installed by your carrier or the os itself. Ram works differently in android than it does on windows and other operating systems. so as I said FREE RAM. doesn't matter as long as you have enough on it for whatever programs you are running. 1 gig works just fine for everything I do. Then again I don't game on my phone, I do that on a computer or a console.
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1. did you actually just link to a 2011 article?
2. you did not answer my question as to why RAM numbers keep going up yearly and have since the first Droid? If it is of no value, why add cost by adding more? Of all the things a phone maker can and does do, why keep adding RAM and yet, for example, drop the MicroSD?
3. And, if bloat removal is the answer.. why? I will tell you why.. they are eating RAM. If it is not that, then why worry about bloat? Of course, you can worry about bloat if you are low on storage, but assume storage is fine (you have 20 of 32gb free for example). Ok, remove bloat and then what? How did it benefit you? It benefitted you by not having apps using RAM - simply put. Which pretty much is saying performance is impacted by bloat which impacts available RAM which impacts performance so cut out your bloatware and improve performance and... free up more RAM.
ps - I don't game either, I'll take more RAM any day.
Ok I have an LG G4 ATT. Fresh factory reset. All bloatware disabled or removed if able. Nothing installed at all yet. OS updated to current release. Straight simple stock phone. No accounts set for anything. phone uses 2.7g of RAM available. Phone turned on with brand new battery dies at 7% in 10min. 3batterys all new tested. Issue is the excessive amount of RAM being used. Android os alone shouldn't kill a phone. This is point blank fact. Phone stated battery life is trashed and is pointless of even mentioning if the RAM issue doesn't matter. Bottom line. Theirs a issue. Developers or manufacturers of these phones needs to quit worrying about making all this money just by adding more RAM. RAM is used in same way as a PC. (Random Access memory) not (ready available memory)
And just a say to these companies making new phones. Make the phones for the people that's buying them not to add money to ur pockets. A non removable battery? Why even think that will make things better? Batteries go bad. We all know this. Removing the micro SD slots. Blocking us from using the SD as a write disk. Oh i forgot. Companies making these phone want only our money. Got ya. They know we have to either buy a new phone when that battery goes bad, u have to buy this 32gb or 64gb or 128gb phone at retarded added costs for more space. Stop thinking ur helping the world by making sopused better phones. Start listening to the buyers and what we want. Ur likely to actually make better devices and make more money in the long run.
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Hello, i recently bought a One Plus 3, basically because i wanted to have more RAM, but i noticed that even though i have like 6Gb of Ram to do whatever i want, the phone uses with nothing open like 1,5Gb of RAM, the 500mb of RAM doesn't bother me because they come from apps i usually use, but the fact the launcher itself uses 1Gb is like way too much, i come from a Galaxy S3 with less than 1Gb of Ram and the TouchWiz laucher which is heavy only used like 400-500mb of RAM why is this? I know the easiest answer would be that the OP3 has more things, but do we really gain a lot more of functions that justify this heavy use of RAM from the launcher, or are we looking at not-well optimized launcher?
well your gs3 couldnt really use 1gb of ram and the oneplus 3 can. easy as that.
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well your gs3 couldnt really use 1gb of ram and the oneplus 3 can. easy as that.
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that means the OP3 is not as well optimized as the touchwiz?
No.. GS3 runs older OS like kitkat but as OS Improves they require more ram OP3 is now on Nougat which is amazing so duh... It needs more ram
Unused RAM is wasted RAM. As the OP3 has 6GB of RAM, it can allocate more RAM to certain apps and the launcher to ensure that nothing is closed in the background and everything runs smooth. Don't worry about RAM usage. For example if you launch a game, the game will then have priority to ensure that it is allocated enough RAM. Android is smart in its use of RAM so no need to worry.
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Hello, i recently bought a One Plus 3, basically because i wanted to have more RAM, but i noticed that even though i have like 6Gb of Ram to do whatever i want, the phone uses with nothing open like 1,5Gb of RAM, the 500mb of RAM doesn't bother me because they come from apps i usually use, but the fact the launcher itself uses 1Gb is like way too much, i come from a Galaxy S3 with less than 1Gb of Ram and the TouchWiz laucher which is heavy only used like 400-500mb of RAM why is this? I know the easiest answer would be that the OP3 has more things, but do we really gain a lot more of functions that justify this heavy use of RAM from the launcher, or are we looking at not-well optimized launcher?
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That's why we have 6 gigs of RAM. Think little bit. They can use it as we have it. Pretty simple, right?
See its similar to methodology as if you you have larger space on bed you will occupy more space, similar to this when you have higher ram allocation to particular app is continuously decreased and increased so if no other apps are running allocation to your launcher will be higher to give it a smoother operation but as you start opening more ram hungry apps the allocation then decreases allocation for uelr launcher and allocate it accordingly
Go check how RAM and RAM management works.
It's kinda pointless to waste time explaining something here if you lack the basics about this topic.
Long story short: the more you have, the more will be used. Take the same desktop OS, install it on machines with vastly different RAM capacities and you'll see different RAM usages.
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The more used ram the better, at least in vast majority of scenarios
Hi,
My one day old LG G7 shows 2.74Gb in use and 0.99Gb free with no apps running (there's an LG Smart Doctor app I use to look at this and cleared all apps from memory).
I have very few apps installed and disabled what I could from the preinstalled ones.
This seems very high to me. Or is it normal?
Thanks
Normal
tatalor2 said:
Hi,
My one day old LG G7 shows 2.74Gb in use and 0.99Gb free with no apps running (there's an LG Smart Doctor app I use to look at this and cleared all apps from memory).
I have very few apps installed and disabled what I could from the preinstalled ones.
This seems very high to me. Or is it normal?
Thanks
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Considering the fact that's an LG phone that's pretty Normal
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NormalConsidering the fact that's an LG phone that's pretty Normal
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Not sure what it means, do customized Android is so heavy on RAM usage? Is it the same for Samsung S9 or HTC 12, for example?
How much RAM is free with no apps loaded on Google Pixel 3?
tatalor2 said:
Not sure what it means, do customized Android is so heavy on RAM usage? Is it the same for Samsung S9 or HTC 12, for example?
How much RAM is free with no apps loaded on Google Pixel 3?
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I owned an LG phone with 4GB ram and had about 700-1300 free at normal usage.
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Sidenote: Un-used RAM is wasted RAM. It's nothing to worry about.
After a restart my RAM went to 1.2Gb free and about 2.5Gb in use with no apps open. I read up a bit about how Android works but still feels like this is on a very low side. How are things on your phones with no apps opened?
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Sidenote: Un-used RAM is wasted RAM. It's nothing to worry about.
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This is the correct answer to the question of the OP. Android tries to use as much RAM as possible to avoid having to restart apps.
If you have something in RAM it's going to open faster than it will from the disk, in our case flash storage.
Phones are mostly less-affected by paging to the storage when the memory is low, which is how Windows works for example.
Because the flash storage is fast (not as fast as the RAM though) it's generally un-noticable.
If something is in RAM, it's either waiting to be used or being used. These include services from apps that might be closed but run in the background. Keeping these in RAM uses less power than asking the flash storage for the data every-time it's needed.
You don't need to worry about specifically high RAM usage. If you have the 4GB RAM model, then having about 1GB free, give or take a few hundred MB depending on your apps, is normal.
I have just under 1GB free with nothing open on a slimmed-down LineageOS V20 that only has 3GB of RAM. You can assume 2-3GB of Android system usage on a stock ROM depending on how long the device has been on for, how heavily the manufacturer has modified/bloated it, and other varying factors.
This leaves you with the remaining amount of RAM you've mentioned for you to do what you want with your apps. 1.2GB free and 2.5GB in use is roughly where it should be on freshly-booted stock ROM.
The only way to increase the RAM you have would be to root and de-bloat it by freezing the apps you don't use.
Facebook and Messenger can easily hog up to half a gig of RAM in total after a while, and using the Lite versions of apps like these can help.
I wouldn't worry at all if I was you. When my V20 was running a stock ROM, even after a week of usage I still had about half a gig of RAM left. If you're constantly cleaning it then it means apps have to stop and re-start services after the clear is complete, which wastes time, power and efficiency.
Android is good at what it does. Let it do it
Redline said:
If you have something in RAM it's going to open faster than it will from the disk, in our case flash storage.
Phones are mostly less-affected by paging to the storage when the memory is low, which is how Windows works for example.
Because the flash storage is fast (not as fast as the RAM though) it's generally un-noticable.
If something is in RAM, it's either waiting to be used or being used. These include services from apps that might be closed but run in the background. Keeping these in RAM uses less power than asking the flash storage for the data every-time it's needed.
You don't need to worry about specifically high RAM usage. If you have the 4GB RAM model, then having about 1GB free, give or take a few hundred MB depending on your apps, is normal.
I have just under 1GB free with nothing open on a slimmed-down LineageOS V20 that only has 3GB of RAM. You can assume 2-3GB of Android system usage on a stock ROM depending on how long the device has been on for, how heavily the manufacturer has modified/bloated it, and other varying factors.
This leaves you with the remaining amount of RAM you've mentioned for you to do what you want with your apps. 1.2GB free and 2.5GB in use is roughly where it should be on freshly-booted stock ROM.
The only way to increase the RAM you have would be to root and de-bloat it by freezing the apps you don't use.
Facebook and Messenger can easily hog up to half a gig of RAM in total after a while, and using the Lite versions of apps like these can help.
I wouldn't worry at all if I was you. When my V20 was running a stock ROM, even after a week of usage I still had about half a gig of RAM left. If you're constantly cleaning it then it means apps have to stop and re-start services after the clear is complete, which wastes time, power and efficiency.
Android is good at what it does. Let it do it
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Ok then, so nothing to worry here, it seems. I'll just stop checking it as long as I see no lag. Which I don't