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[Q] 30 FPS cap????

Does anyone have a work around for the 30 fps cap the Incredible has on the GPU?

What 30fps cap?
More like, it just doesn't have enough balls to hit 30+ fps, most the time

hahaha true true. I've read that HTC has capped the EVO and the Incredible at 30fps on the GPU.

No, just the Evo. Something to do with HDMI.

I would expect a higher quadrant score with the 1ghz processor the Droid X almost puts up the same numbers and it's running 2.1.

The GPU is making up for it. Quadrant is very GPU oriented.
That and the OMAP is faster. So its a lose-lose situation for us. The GPU in the X walks all over ours.
Kind of like integrated graphics vs a discrete graphics card in a computer.

Makes sense...too bad though I'm the type of guy that always has to have the latest and greatest don't get me wrong the incredible is a great phone can't beat the form factor but I wish it had a little more power under the hood in the area of graphics processing.

HeyItsLou said:
Makes sense...too bad though I'm the type of guy that always has to have the latest and greatest don't get me wrong the incredible is a great phone can't beat the form factor but I wish it had a little more power under the hood in the area of graphics processing.
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I agree 100%.

adrynalyne said:
The GPU is making up for it. Quadrant is very GPU oriented.
That and the OMAP is faster. So its a lose-lose situation for us. The GPU in the X walks all over ours.
Kind of like integrated graphics vs a discrete graphics card in a computer.
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It's pretty interesting actually. I thought the same thing, until I saw quadrant run on a droid X. It does get higher fps in most of the 3d tests, (the rotating planet/moon is really choppy and in the low teens of fps)
Anyway, because I had nothing better to spend my money on, I bought the advanced version of quadrant.
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The GPU does score a bit higher in 3d, though for whatever reason the I/O (read/write test) scores crazy high compared to anything else. That's where the most
of the score is coming from...
but on topic, there is no framerate cap. Download fps2d fro the android market and see for yourself.

It's interesting that you say that. I've been doing a lot of development work lately on the DInc and when transferring files I have been getting blazing speeds... much higher than on any other solid state/card reading device I own (why couldn't Nvidia stick a sexy little GPU in there... *sigh* just have to wait a couple years).

I think the lack of 3D performance on the Incredible is due to the drivers HTC includes for the Adreno GPU. I've read that the drivers they include aren't optimized or tweaked at all.
I remember there being a thread a while back about porting drivers from the Samsung devices using it since they were getting much better performance out of the same GPU. Anyone remember that or have any new info on that development?

I'm very disappointed with the Slackdragon chip. I hate the slow downs during game play. Asphalt consistently crashes on this phone.
The guys using the more than 3yr old HTC Vogue just got a new kernel and are enjoying over 30fps on Neocore. I have never reached 26fps. Granted they have DZO who's a brilliant programer but there is no reason why a phone that's years old and is not even an Android phone (at least not native) should be anywhere close to our phone. That phone came with a 400mhz chip and no drivers for the GPU.
I love the form factor and screen on this phone but I doubt any amount of overclocking will ever solve its problems. My next phone will definitely not have Qualcomm chip.
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I enjoy the phone for what it is.
Otherwise I would have returned it. If someone bought this phone thinking it was a gaming powerhouse...LOL?
Buyer beware, research first.
I will take a 1ghz CPU over a 550mhz CPU, even if it plays games better. I need it to be fast as a phone, not crappy slow except for games.
When Android starts being GPU driven, then I will pay more attention to faster gpus.
You can have the fastest GPU of all, and still run like crap. Ask Samsung Galaxy S owners who are suffering lag and slowness due to apps installing only to sd internal storage But hey, they run games fast!

Dude I didn't buy the phone to replace my xbox but it'd be nice if games didn't crash on my phone. On paper the snapdragon seems great but in all actuality the first Droid isn't far behind at all at half the speed and it out performs this phone when overclocked to 1.2ghz.
I still really like this phone especially now with Froyo but that doesn't mean I can't wish the snapdragon chip wasn't a slacker. I did my research and unless I went with the iphone (which I'd never get) I was not get better 3d performance...on paper. Even video slows down on this phone sometimes. That just doesn't seem right
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Take Froyo on both phones.
Run Linpack with Moto at 1.2ghz, and Dinc at 1ghz.
Chuckle at how much higher score the Dinc gets.
The game performance is about the same (with oc'ed Moto Droid taking the lead), but the rest is not even in the same ballpark as the Dinc.

It's likely capped at 30 fps to sync with display refresh rate (otherwise known as v sync ) and yes with modifications to the drivers it will be possible to increase this. But as for now I agree with adrenaline and enjoy the phone for what it is.
Don't get me wrong I'm always game for more performance but even at stock clock speeds the incredible is plenty fast. Faster gpu would be at the bottom of my list for tweaks to be made. Even so I'm sure someone will be working on it soon enough.
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Benchmark results and PC connectivity

hi. im kinda new to Lg phones . its infact my first LG phone ever.
first off, i will get something cleared out to all. im disappointed at almost no support from LG! its been a year and still 4.1? no updates what so ever? this was their flagship phone that was primarily focused to compete with Note 2 and even S4 but look where they are now! 4.4 KK!
now to the point of thread, i just got out of misery of soft brick. and just today i got the V5.5 rom of THIS rom.
out of curiosity i downloaded some benchmarks. here are my scores.
after looking at these scores i was like WTF is this??? guys any help, that are these scores NORMAL for LG OGP or is it my device???
i mean my Note 1, i remember, had better scores in Benchmarkpi than this!
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also another problem. i have installed the LG drivers for the mobile in the pc and also lg pc suite is installed. but when i connect this piece of **** to PC, it connects and disconnects continuously. it does not even show up in Computer. even after i have reinstalled the drivers like 6 times, its sitll not connecting. it connects when ever it desires. this phone is real ****. i ****ing hate it now.
pls some one help how to fix this???
pls assist.

4.4 is coming to our device. Be patient. As for the low scores, make sure quadcore management is turned off.
The heavy theming of LG's skin makes it extremely resource heavy which will "slow down" your phone.
If you're that worried about benchmark scores, try Carbon with the OC'd kernel. On Antutu, I get about 30k.
Benchmark scores are completely irrelevant. Even if your OGP scored lower than your Note 2, the OGP is still outperforming it in basically every way. Better processor and GPU.
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Have you change the Thermal Daemon Mitigation to "ON"?
And maybe you can try using other usb cable.

Neroga said:
4.4 is coming to our device. Be patient. As for the low scores, make sure quadcore management is turned off.
The heavy theming of LG's skin makes it extremely resource heavy which will "slow down" your phone.
If you're that worried about benchmark scores, try Carbon with the OC'd kernel. On Antutu, I get about 30k.
Benchmark scores are completely irrelevant. Even if your OGP scored lower than your Note 2, the OGP is still outperforming it in basically every way. Better processor and GPU.
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you are right about the performance and about the relevancy of benchmarks. i dont trust them myself but even then man, these scores are too low for Snapdragon 600 im kinda worried about my hardware. thats why asked help here.
and i just wish LG brings KK soon enough.
i will be honest, i got this phones just cause of i got LG monitor like 4 months back and i was amazed by its display! like really amazed!
it is an IPS panel and its amazing. i got so impressed i got LG OGP just cause of its "LG make".
phone is very good. and to be honest i find more potential in LG Optimus UI than samsung's touchwiz cause i have had almost ZERO lag until now. its been a week i got this phone.
the only concerns i have are batter in stock roms is ****. i got this V5.5 rom which kinda corrected the battery or its just placebo effect but i find it better.
i just wish LG brings KK sooner man.
thanks for reply though

Like I said, give Carbon and the OC'd kernel a try. I've gotten 2052MHz to run stable on here even though I prefer using 1890MHz just in case. Having the GPU bumped up to 531MHz won't impact battery life and with hardware acceleration enabled, there is no possible way for this phone to lag. :3
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Neroga said:
Like I said, give Carbon and the OC'd kernel a try. I've gotten 2052MHz to run stable on here even though I prefer using 1890MHz just in case. Having the GPU bumped up to 531MHz won't impact battery life and with hardware acceleration enabled, there is no possible way for this phone to lag. :3
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What do you mean by "hardware acceleration enabled" ?

Overall speed

Would you say that the Samsung Galaxy S7 is "fast" in day-to-day use? A higher rating indicates that you think the Samsung Galaxy S7 exhibits fantastic performance. Like, is it as fast as your tears when you watch The Titanic?
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

Speed is just awesome ... it's a flagship ... not expecting anything else

Performance is good but i think there is a problem that lags the keyboard.

I Don't know its my phone or else, but in some games, its little bit lag when loading some scene. But one thing that I notice that my S7 signal is more weak than my previous phone (on LTE), it's very noticeable that sometime I have to restart my phone or change it to 3G first than switch it back.

I have had similar signal issues while my other gs7 had a good signal. Replaced the device now the signal is good..
As far as speed, it feels slower to me then my s6 and note5 games dont run as smooth, gear vr jitters or glitches quite a lot, something the note5 never did. And it doesnt register touches well. I have had these issues on 3 separate gs7. 2 mine and the one i returned and swapped mainly because the signal and i could see glue separations and striations in sunlight between the lcd and screen. I have really come to dislike this phone, a first for me with samsung.

My S7 doesn't seem much faster than the LG G2 it replaced. Might this have something to do with the higher resolution?

Much faster and snappier than lg g3 i have ownded previously.
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Sometimes lags (barely visible)

This is my new account and was here since my galaxy s2 and I really looked deeply into the matter.
Improved to an S4 later and tuned the hell out of it. And now having an S7.
The Hardware and the processor improved really much since then, so it's not an hardware issue, it's allways a configuration and software issue, if the phone lags.
I can't understand why people are unhappy with their phones, that aren't "snappy" enought.
It's their fault, because they accept the default settings most of the time and don't care about improving their phone by themself, by optimizing settings, disable useless/unused features and remove all that bloatware and spyware crap.
Also with a good custom rom most of these problems are solved anyway, even by default if the developer did the optimization for you... lazy ass
Maybe start with something like that:
Activate Beast Mode on Galaxy S7
watch?v=nHEm50oRsNs
ps: can't post full links yet with this acc. lol

Excellent CPU ,OS,RAM optimization
superb performance,I am fully satisfied
-Device G930FD(Exynos)

The speed of galaxy s7 is awesome, you can say Much faster and snappier

speed is acceptable. Lags are experienced, but compared to S6 it is a bit better.

torr310 said:
speed is acceptable. Lags are experienced, but compared to S6 it is a bit better.
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I am running King rom with prometheus kernel with no lag and I mean absolutely no lag. Here is AnTuTu not that benchmarks mean anything right?
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Delivered by my Silver S7.

mandroid717 said:
I am running King rom with prometheus kernel with no lag and I mean absolutely no lag. Here is AnTuTu not that benchmarks mean anything right?
Delivered by my Silver S7.
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I would be much happier if our Verizon varian could be on the custom ROM/kernel too! And... also has the Exynos on board!

torr310 said:
I would be much happier if our Verizon varian could be on the custom ROM/kernel too! And... also has the Exynos on board!
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Ya that blows. : (
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arefin_sajib said:
Excellent CPU ,OS,RAM optimization
superb performance,I am fully satisfied
-Device G930FD(Exynos)
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Same phone and ditto. Then again coming from a Blackberry running 4.6 I would be very unhappy if I wasn't satisfied

mandroid717 said:
I am running King rom with prometheus kernel with no lag and I mean absolutely no lag. Here is AnTuTu not that benchmarks mean anything right?
Delivered by my Silver S7.
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Still satisfied?

Everything is super fast. apps open up instantly, I really like double tapping home button for camera. overall speed is great. been using it for few months, never had any lag.

mandroid717 said:
I am running King rom with prometheus kernel with no lag and I mean absolutely no lag. Here is AnTuTu not that benchmarks mean anything right?
Delivered by my Silver S7.
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Nice...
Prometheus out of the Box or some tuning?
If it so can you share your settings?

agree speed is top notch.

CPU performance lower than expected.

I have had my Pixel for 1 month, absolutely no Wifi nor touchscreen issues. But its cpu seems to perform worse than expected. Lately I'm getting laggy experiences and sometimes the app hangs, especially on Chrome, Android settings menu, ES file explorer and MX player.
I did some tests with geekbench 3 and it always gives between 1290-1350 single core score and 3600-4000 multicore score http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5646267 . It's way under the "official" scores in the internet: 1400 single and 4400 multi. This is how a proper score would look like
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Why the low performance? I dont have rubbish apps installed.
By the way, I'm running 6.0.1 mxb48t version.
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i do not have access to the article but off the top of my head unless it stated absolute stock a rooted pixel c could have cpu states tweaked, such as all cores to run at max frequency all the time, prior to running the benchmark which if the case would certainly outperform your device.

gtaadicto92 said:
I have had my Pixel for 1 month, absolutely no Wifi nor touchscreen issues. But its cpu seems to perform worse than expected. Lately I'm getting laggy experiences and sometimes the app hangs, especially on Chrome, Android settings menu, ES file explorer and MX player.
I did some tests with geekbench 3 and it always gives between 1290-1350 single core score and 3600-4000 multicore score http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/5646267 . It's way under the "official" scores in the internet: 1400 single and 4400 multi. This is how a proper score would look like
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Why the low performance? I dont have rubbish apps installed.
By the way, I'm running 6.0.1 mxb48t version.
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So setting mine to performance governor i get 1448 and 4386 so its just default interactive governor stuff really, that's getting lower result. i did the whole interactive governor tweaking like from 6p and 5x and got performance like ratings but as cheep5k8 pointed out on kernel thread that changing the governor break the powerHAL stuff and only be corrected with a reboot to no mods. so applying this is not recommended until bug is sorted in the kernel

Considering its only running on 4 cores it's doing all it can. A53 cores are disabled.

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Considering its only running on 4 cores it's doing all it can. A53 cores are disabled.
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but it still performs just as well as snapdragon 810 with 8 cores, so I think the A57 alone does a great job
What I would love to see what OC'ing does, at least up to the the shield TV level of 2.2Ghz

For some reason, the GPU performance on my Shield TV is about 2x faster than my Pixel C even though they have the same processor....
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What are you using to define the GPU performance difference?

On Android N beta the multicore performance is worse(3000 points) although the single core performance has increased to 1400+. The lag is completely gone.
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brando56894 said:
For some reason, the GPU performance on my Shield TV is about 2x faster than my Pixel C even though they have the same processor....
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Much higher resolution on the Pix C probably doesnt help!
*thought you said Shield tablet! Not sure what the res is on the TV

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What are you using to define the GPU performance difference?
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I was running 3Dmark on my Pixel running Xceed kernel and even 3Dmark said that my performance was lower than all the other Pixels. I was just looking at the stats of the shield tv on their chart since I was watching something on mine. Yea, I know not exact, I just found it interesting.
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Much higher resolution on the Pix C probably doesnt help!
*thought you said Shield tablet! Not sure what the res is on the TV
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This is true! My TV is only 1080P.

So all settings stock with xceed I get the following
Slingshot 3.1 unlimited 3730
Icestorm unlimited 41544
Antutu 105600

Slowness in opening the app , software or hardware problem ?

Sorry for my bad english.
I have noticed in some videos that opening heavy applications , the HTC 10 is very very slow .
link:
https://youtu.be/FB5W2DYrl5o?t=5m54s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-voDhSxF4U
More than 40 seconds to open Real Racing 3 , it is not normal for me.
Ok , Htc 10 does not use UFS memory , but even P9 (20 seconds ) or a medium- range as Meizu M3 Note ( less than 30 seconds ) . You think it is just a issues of memory , or is a software problem that over time will improve?

Another review confirms how slow it is compared to the S7 Edge. It is worrying because the difference in loading seems huge. I'm wondering as well if its down to slow storage performance.

incredible, I have no words. the gap is too large to just be a memory problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l97ZCFAqqjM
It seems to suffer from throttling

Unless the phone has an SD set to adoptable storage set.....
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DjBorna92 said:
incredible, I have no words. the gap is too large to just be a memory problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l97ZCFAqqjM
It seems to suffer from throttling
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Looking at the video...no it doesn't. Quite consistent actually.
Also could people for the love of god stop throwing the throttle word around without actually understading what is happening here..
Of course the first Antutu benchmark number was really high because the phones started off cool as a cucumber.
You know, that unibody is a huge freaking heatsink. It's able to absorb a lot of heat and gives the 10 the competetive edge in this kind of a test.
S7 has over 5% less mass vs 10 and a glass back as well. Inside you'll find a teeny tiny heatpipe which is supposed to spread the heat more evenly but there's no visible thermal interface material to actually help that process of pulling the heat away from the SoC to the heat pipe and then spread that heat to the mid frame.
Read: the S7 "throttles" right out of the gate.
Thermal interface material is used to have a better contact between two surfaces, otherwise there will be air trapped between those surfaces and air is not good at transferring heat.​Same goes with the G5, at least it has almost the same mass as the 10 but it's got that silly primer paint and whatnot covering it. LG, you're a genius, of course that's gonna help the heat get away :silly:
And no TIM goop here either, just some sort of thin heatspreader on top of the SoC/UFS NAND and some thermal tape which would then, hopefully, make contact with the metal frame. Problem here is that there's not a lot metal for the heat to transfer to. Also thermal tape < proper paste/goop or thermal pads.
Unfortunately we don't have teardown of the HTC 10 yet, I'm interested in seeing what kind of thermal solution they've got there.
If you take a look at the standard or average deviation of those results, not including test #1 which is the warm up lap, the deviation of HTC 10 scores is just as good or just as bad as the Galaxy S7. G5 being the worst of the bunch and P9 being slooow and consistent at that, doesn't surprise me when looking at the teardown of it..
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Or the geekbench numbers, this time we don't need to exclude the #1 test because the warm up was already done with Antutu.
No problem with single core, almost as good as the S7. This comes down to kernel and governor differences.
I'm not sure what happened here with the multi core numbers with the 10, if I'd got that kind of results, I would've restarted the whole test all over again. I wouldn't accept that kind of a variation, #1-2 being close to each other and then dropping by over 6% with #3-4 being close to each other again.
Just by having some random background process do "stuff" could have an effect like that, single core didn't have that where as with multicore test all of the cores are used which of course means that even if one of those is doing something else...
The P9 for example does show some signs of performance degradation here, first one being high and the following three drop off and are close to each other.
The G5 then shows a random drop as well at #3, just 2% but still a little odd.
But nevertheless. These kinds of tests are ridiculously stupid.
How about you take a look at proper testing over here.
http://anandtech.com/show/10252/htc-10-battery-storage-results
If you don't know what to look at, I'll help you.
This, is throttling. You just simply cannot have a device as small as a phone keep the GPU performance up for very long.
The Adreno 530 is ridiculously powerful and with 256 ALUS's and 600+ Mhz clockspeed, it's going to guzzle a lot of power and in the process create a lot of heat.
Apple on the other hand is obsessed with the consistency and it shows. PowerVR's architecture is just so much more efficient along with Apple's own optimizations.
But anyway, S7 and 10 show the same amount of performance degradation.
And here's FPS/vs time.
The 10 of course drops off faster as HTC doesn't want to burn your fingers. They have a completely different body on the device which means different skin temp restrictions.
But in the long run, S7 is all over the place while the 10 gives you a more consistent performance.
I have no clue why on earth Samsung would prefer that kind of oscillating performance. What you wanna have is strict temp limits with high enough temperature hysteresis so it doesn't start jumping up and down like that.
As an example would you rather have a GPU in your PC which fan would sound like WEE-UUU-WEE-UUU jumping all over the place like a kid on a trampoline or a gradual and consistent hum? Not the same thing of course, closest analogy I could think off, but that kind of fan behaviour of course affects modern GPU's with their automatic "overclocking" or rather their clockspeed through the TDP and temperature limits.
It's not good for the longevity of CPU/GPU dies and other semiconductors either if there's sudden temperature jumps all the time, it's known as thermal stress.
Also, what a lovely dip on the S7 to the high 20's fps as it ran into the temperature limit road block.
What happened was that it tried to overachieve by keeping the clocks high longer > oops I reached the thermal limit, now I have to throttle waay down to save myself. Then after that it jumps up and down...
Would've been nice to see the battery+CPU/GPU temps in those graphs!
And I would love to get those T-Rex numbers in a spreadsheet and have a closer look at them.

Most of these youtubers are zombie buyers with 0% knowing about software etc.. When htc starts shipping 10's, go in local stores and try device for yourself, i may sound like a htcwhore, but i'm right on this.
Just don't trust too much this stupid reviews(even before official shipping...).

@lagittaja Geekbench is constant, but steadily low. G5 with the same cpu has the highest scores (500 in single core and 1800 in multi). I want to wait for the commercialization of the device before drawing conclusions. I think maybe it was castrated to save battery and not giving a bad impression as G5.