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Tiny MMS Pictures on o2

Had this issue on windows mobile and now have the same problem on this device. When i get an mms they come through only a 1/5 the size of the screen. On windows there was a reg key that i can change, anyone know how to do it on this device?
Thanks
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Now that the desire has been rooted, anybody know what settings need to be changed in order to correct the tiny mms pictures, o2 still have not got there finger out and sorted this issue out ??

I have found an app on the market place called handcent and isntalled this, looks like the iphone layout. there is an option to spoof user agent but when i do this i cannot send any mms's. Can receive them but still they are not fullsize although bigger than previous. will try another option and choose the iphone 3.0 useragent. Phones on charge at present as battery ran out after only half a days use. I was using it a lot as i was setting it up so cant really say if this is the norm yet.
Still dont think this is as nippy as my HD2 but then I had a custom rom on that so that helped loads from the stock rom. Again early days.

Im getting this issue.
Isthere any work around for it yet? I send/recieve alot of pics and hate that they are tiny.

the only solution i have found is for rooted devices so no good at present.

Ta. Will have to wait then !!!
Ive gone back to messaging + smspopup only losing ability to quick compose using search button.
Ta

It might me because O2 have not yet added the Desire to their approved database yet. Try again when O2 have released the Desire on their network at the end of this month. I'm also on O2 but I hardly ever use MMS.

Good shout. Makes sense. Ta for that.

norm2002 said:
It might me because O2 have not yet added the Desire to their approved database yet. Try again when O2 have released the Desire on their network at the end of this month. I'm also on O2 but I hardly ever use MMS.
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Ah, hang on, so how come the native messaging app shows the message in the correct size ?
For the same message, same picture sent or received, in the native app is large, but when i quit and go into Handcent, its small !!!

Handcent has just had an update and its still showing as tiny.
Anyone else got this issue ??

You cannot do anything to sort this, it is solely down to o2 to pull there finger out. Until they do we are stuck with it.
According to there site they will have the desire at the end of this month.

But i get large photos sent and received with the native MMS app, and have worked out that its because it converts it to a slideshow.
Spose i will wait til O2 get this as a phone and try after.
Ta

anyway to stop this slideshow on desire, can't seem to find anything to turn it off so I can just view the picture normally.

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Now that the desire has been rooted, anybody know what settings need to be changed in order to correct the tiny mms pictures, o2 still have not got there finger out and sorted this issue out ??
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In handcent sms in Maximum MMS Size, change from default to 300KB.

Default is 300k.
I've tried all sides and none work. Need to wait tool o2 release the desire for themselves.

I have this problem with mine and i'm on orange. When the image is converted to be able to be sent, it shrinks it to about 16K, which is really pathetic. Anyone figured this out yet?

danprocter said:
I have this problem with mine and i'm on orange. When the image is converted to be able to be sent, it shrinks it to about 16K, which is really pathetic. Anyone figured this out yet?
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Are you using the native app or Handcent/chomp ??

Rooted mine and now using handcent, all working as it should, i used to get the same on o2. Not anymore though. Full size mms now.

Rooted mine and now using handcent, all working as it should, i used to get the same on o2. Not anymore though. Full size mms now.
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So can you post your settings?
I assume you are still on o2?
I can send large mms via the native app, and cant send anything if selecting one from the gallery, but can if using the camera straight from hand cent.

So can you post your settings?
I assume you are still on o2?
I can send large mms via the native app, and cant send anything if selecting one from the gallery, but can if using the camera straight from hand cent.
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I have the standard setup, so 2 accounts, one called "O2 MOBILE WEB" which only has the apn set to mobile.o2.co.uk nothing in proxy/port/server/mmsc etc. Only username and password set.
The other one is called O2 MMS Postpay, this has apn of wap.o2.co.uk, no proxy / no port, username o2wap / password, server not set, mmsc set to http://mmsc.mms.o2.co.uk:8002, proxy 193.113.200.195, mmsport 8080
The strange thing is that i CANNOT send mms messages with the stock messaging app. I can however receive them and they come in full size. In handcent i can send and receive mms messages fine. Not sure why this is.
I would prefer the stock application to do both but just cant work out why it doesnt send. tried so many different settings now but nothing works

SMS and MMS

Well basically I am getting charged for some of my text messages and I do not know why.
If I send a long text message will it send as a MMS???
THanks ... this is with T-Mobile

You need to speak to tmobile.

The manual says that an SMS will automatically be converted to an MMS if "very long", but not how long. Can you visually tell when this happens?

fakeuser456 said:
The manual says that an SMS will automatically be converted to an MMS if "very long", but not how long. Can you visually tell when this happens?
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Just like when you add a word tot he dictionary it will appear eith "Converting to MMS ..." once it is too long.

if memory serves, it's somewhere between 3 and 5 SMS messages in length where it changes to an MMS.

I always though 5 was the max for text messages on any phone. Then it breaks it down into seperate messages.

O and O said:
I always though 5 was the max for text messages on any phone. Then it breaks it down into seperate messages.
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it just sends it as an MMS and i get charged by T-Mobile 17p every time that happens!
That is twice now! But at least I know before i rack up a huge bill!
I will experiment and find out!

Raminder1992 said:
it just sends it as an MMS and i get charged by T-Mobile 17p every time that happens!
That is twice now! But at least I know before i rack up a huge bill!
I will experiment and find out!
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Happened to me last week, NOT COOL!

is there a way around this ?
like a config option or something like that ?
is this specific to the desire or android ?

This is standard behaviour for all Android devices, and it applies to the stock messaging app. The reason for this, is that if you are going to send more than three SMSes, it will in most cases be cheaper to send an MMS. This does not of course apply when you have unlimited texts or other discounts.
Until this gets fixed, download a replacement from the market. Try chompSMS or Handcent SMS. The automatic conversion is optional in these.

ah ok
hope this gets fixed fast

using an alternative sms program such as handcent sms or chomp sms gives you the option to break up long text messages into seperate texts instead of converting to mms

MMS size issue - android or network

I have noticed that when I choose to send a photo as an MMS it gets re-sized to within an inch of its life. A typical 900kb photo gets re-sized to 10kb or 15kb. Terrible quality. My old N82 phone used to send the photo at close to 300kb limit so you got a very good quality MMS.
I have had a look around the forums and it seems there are varying explanations but no conclusive judgments on why this is?
1. It is caused by the Network not recognizing the phone. (althought ppl have reported this on T-mobile too)
2. It is android sendnig all MMS as a "slide show" instead of just attaching the image.
Which is correct, or is it something else? Can it be worked around to send good quality 250kb - 300kb pic attachments.

I would also like to know this, I've had it with the last few HTC phones on Android.
I'm on o2, which haven't supported any of the latest phones, so could be the network I presume. I always got told it was the network before when I raised this issue.

one possible explanation from another user on a different forum stated
Basically what happens when you send a MMS is that is goes to your operators MMSCentre and while its there it reads in the User Agent Profile of your phone so it can determine what size of the picture you sent and it will resize it to the recipients phone screen size (as it may be a different size)
Now heres where the problem lies (i think)
If your operator dont have the User Agent profile for your phone loaded into the MMSCentre it will send the picture to the recipients as the default (small size)-->so long story short you have to wait for O2 to update your phone in the database in the MMSC.
I don't think this is right though. My phone resizes/compressed the message before I even hit send, so I don't believe its the network at all. I think its android using this "slide show" crap instead of just resizing the picture to under 300kb and leaving it at 250kb etc. Not compressing it to 10kb.
If this IS an android problem surely all HTC Hero users would have reported it, and all of their MMS (sent or received) would have been under 20kb? Major flaw if thats the case? Anyone know more?

I've just got a hold of a HTC Hero to try the same experiment on.
I go to photo album, choose to share a photo as a message.
The HTC hero resizes to 45kb not 10kb, and it does not insert the photo as an image in a slideshow, it just attaches it as an image. Just like my old Nokia N82 did. No slideshow crap.
I went through all of the settings and cannot see the difference that would cause his to be an attached image and mine to be inserted in this slideshow format. Possibly coming from the network? I'm unsure. Slideshow format is rubbish though. I just want to send the larger image like the Hero does. argh....

Slight thread change but...
Can Anybody who has O2 on simfree let me know the MMS settings I cant seem to send MMS picture messages. Ive seen that link on the O2 website, but I cant seem to get it working. Ive added in an additional APN, and As O2 dont support it yet they cant help me.
I have installed Handcent, but cant send from either handcent or HTC messaging.
Thanks in advance.
Bloke

It's the operator.
Had the exact same problem when I was in the UK and used O2. When I returned to Norway and Telenor (which have Android devices) MMS are sized properly.
The workaround is to use Handcent or chompSMS and change the useragent to The N95 or the iPhone.

Zappza said:
It's the operator.
Had the exact same problem when I was in the UK and used O2. When I returned to Norway and Telenor (which have Android devices) MMS are sized properly.
The workaround is to use Handcent or chompSMS and change the useragent to The N95 or the iPhone.
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Thats great Zappza. Conclusive.
Hopefully all networks that plan to sell the Desire will have support soon. Cheers

Zappza said:
It's the operator. ...The workaround is to use Handcent or chompSMS and change the useragent to The N95 or the iPhone.
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Wow. That's interesting. ... YouTube, of course a Google property, encourages simplified uploading of videos direct to youtube from phone using MMS...
Worked on my Hero -- because of smaller video file sizes. On the Desire, using default highest resolution video, all attempts at uploading any length of video fail immediately "exceeds file size for MMS" or something of that nature...
Have you tried to see if your workaround would also work for VIDEOS -- or is that just pushing beyond the limits -- not to mention the prohibitive costs of MMS messaging unless you have a flat rate plan.

no its not the network,
The max mms size is 300Kb as defined in the sms/mms settings in the default sms handler in android

handcent allows you to change the default mms size setting and you can select 1Mb so that will help you anyway

quicksite said:
Wow. That's interesting. ... YouTube, of course a Google property, encourages simplified uploading of videos direct to youtube from phone using MMS...
Worked on my Hero -- because of smaller video file sizes. On the Desire, using default highest resolution video, all attempts at uploading any length of video fail immediately "exceeds file size for MMS" or something of that nature...
Have you tried to see if your workaround would also work for VIDEOS -- or is that just pushing beyond the limits -- not to mention the prohibitive costs of MMS messaging unless you have a flat rate plan.
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there is an option where you share the video/upload to yt not using MMS. The size and quality remain the same.

JaykaySLO said:
there is an option where you share the video/upload to yt not using MMS. The size and quality remain the same.
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yes, you can share video using mobile internet or wifi. Just make sure your logged into your youtube account on the phone. No MMS required.

TieT said:
handcent allows you to change the default mms size setting and you can select 1Mb so that will help you anyway
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No, I think you missed the point I was making. If the maximum defined limit is 300kb or 3000kb, my pictures still get re-sized to 10kb or 15kb when I choose "share via messaging"

I have the same thing on the HD2 and Desire, both using Vodafone uk.
The HD2 used to work just fine up until a few weeks ago, Vodafone could not answer why it was happening, but I reckon its a network issue, or the Rom upgrade on the HD2 was the culprit.
When my HD2 comes back from HTC tomorrow, ill stick the old 1.43 Rom back on, and see if it solves it...

thanks pastypacker, let us know how you get on, I'll keep an eye on the thread.

mcgon1979 said:
No, I think you missed the point I was making. If the maximum defined limit is 300kb or 3000kb, my pictures still get re-sized to 10kb or 15kb when I choose "share via messaging"
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sorry bro, misunderstood
in that case, yes i think its your provider.

It's all good. hopefully the network will make the appropriate changes when they start selling the phone here shortly.

Can someone with a slide and handcent help me

Can someone with a slide and handcent 3.0.4 test something for me?
Can you try and send yourself a MMS PICTURE and see if handcent will display it?
I'm currently having the follwing issue when the following happens
Send a MMS picture using handcent to another phone using handcent the MMS comes through blank with a <Subject:> only bubble.
HOWEVER if I open the thread in the default messaging the picture is there as a picture (not a slideshow).
If I send a MMS with the default app to another phone using handcent it displays fine. (viewing the same thread in default messaging shows the image as a "slideshow")
If I receive a MMS from a phone using handcent handcent displays it empty (but the default app shows the picture, again as a "image" not slideshow)
I tried this on two slides tonight with the same results. Mine and my sisters. My sisters' had NO other apps installed, just handcent.
I'd really like someone else with a slide to try to send yourself a MMS and post what happens here. (compose a new message, hit menu, hit attach, hit picture, add a picture, hit send)
And maybe try to send another handcent user a MMS the same way and another slide user if possible.
MMS works perfectly as long as its not from another handcent user

I'll check it out in the morning.

My mms won't even go thru on my phone with handcent

I don't do alot of MMS on my phone, but I just tried this for the first time today, and you're correct sir.
Messages just show up blank with the <Subject: no subject> line in there. I also can't seem to send MMS to other people (wife's g1) at all, they just don't make it to her.
Everything works correctly with the stock messaging app, but I really don't like the stock messaging app. Anyone think we could get the apk for the messaging app from a g1 or something?

handcent might need to update the app in order to send the mms properly

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I don't do alot of MMS on my phone, but I just tried this for the first time today, and you're correct sir.
Messages just show up blank with the <Subject: no subject> line in there. I also can't seem to send MMS to other people (wife's g1) at all, they just don't make it to her.
Everything works correctly with the stock messaging app, but I really don't like the stock messaging app. Anyone think we could get the apk for the messaging app from a g1 or something?
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Thanks, I'm glad it's not my slides.
Also, can you try to attach from the camera and see if it sends out a pic?
(menu -> attach -> camera, take picture, click send)
It doesn't send anything for me, it just saves a picture on the card.

ratchetrizzo said:
Thanks, I'm glad it's not my slides.
Also, can you try to attach from the camera and see if it sends out a pic?
(menu -> attach -> camera, take picture, click send)
It doesn't send anything for me, it just saves a picture on the card.
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Same thing. Saves the pic on the card but doesn't actually attach it.
http://bbs.handcent.com might be good to start a thread there, although I asked a question a while back and nobody ever got back to me on it.

yeah I have a long thread going there with a guy.
It's probaby something with the slide and/or sense

It came through 40 min later and was blank. couldn't view it in handcent. i'm gonna send them an email
Has anybody been getting app updates in the market with their MTS with T-Mobile?

B-Eazy said:
It came through 40 min later and was blank. couldn't view it in handcent. i'm gonna send them an email
Has anybody been getting app updates in the market with their MTS with T-Mobile?
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Yes. A few days ago I couldn't see Handcent, now I can.
There is an article on phandroid about google fixing something with the market in the past few days.

Handcent is back up and running good

[Q] MMS pictures sending and recieving as slide show?

Am I missing something? I can't figure out how to get my G2 to send a regular picture message, It sends and recieves pictures as a slide show for me. Sending a picture from the G2 to a G1, the G1 gets it as a picture message even though it shows up on my phone as a slide show.

Try sending one from yourself. A bunch of the guys I work worth like to forward nsfw pics around all day and if someone who didn't have a smart phone sent it to me it was a slide show, if someone had a smart phone, etc, I got it the right way.
Sent from my Nextel™ using the XDA app

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Try sending one from yourself. A bunch of the guys I work worth like to forward nsfw pics around all day and if someone who didn't have a smart phone sent it to me it was a slide show, if someone had a smart phone, etc, I got it the right way.
Sent from my Nextel™ using the XDA app
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Tried it, sent and recieved as slide show...

I had this problem on my Vibrant as well. I never found a way to solve it so I just dealt with it.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

It's a bug. Tmobile is very aware of it. There are some 3rd party free apps in the marketplace that will fix the issue.

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It's a bug. Tmobile is very aware of it. There are some 3rd party free apps in the marketplace that will fix the issue.
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Name of those apps, please?

chompsms, I think. I don't have android right now but I read up on the topic. Here's a link.
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/T-Mobile-G2/pictures-in-text-messages/td-p/486978

Yeah. i use handcent. its lightyears better than stock app and has quick reply and quick compose features. ALso no stupid slideshow mode.

thats what i use

Sorry to bring up a dead topic but just wondering if a fix was ever found? I've flashed a new ROM & its having this problem.

I really don't know of any 'fix' for this. Not to mention the fact that the best OS out the can't seem to send a proper mms and not compress it to less than 10kb. No amount of UA spoofing or alternate messaging apps will fix any of this until google addresses the issue. Maybe some one smarter than I can sort through the phones code and find the culprit, then remove it.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using XDA App

Ever since setting my UA to Nexusone I have had zero problems with large MMS.
They download at full size, I just received a 665k MMS today.

gteye said:
Ever since setting my UA to Nexusone I have had zero problems with large MMS.
They download at full size, I just received a 665k MMS today.
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What do you mean by "UA"?

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Ever since setting my UA to Nexusone I have had zero problems with large MMS.
They download at full size, I just received a 665k MMS today.
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Yes, but how about sending? The custom UA doesn't fix that issue, any mms you send will compress to a wicked small file. I've even resized the image to 600Kb and even 300Kb, both were reduced to a measly 6Kb and 8Kb (same with my MT Slide when I used it).
Btw, UA = User Agent.
It's the ID of each model of phone that the network servers use to determine certain features, like mms. When you send an mms it sends messages to the server stating 'message incoming/phone UA' the server then sends back an ok - the message is sent, server sends a receipt.
When a message is sent to you the server sends an invisible text stating 'message waiting/message address/what's your UA ID' the phone then confirms the UA ID. The server then reads the UA and adjusts the message accordingly and says the message is ready, phone then downloads it and sends receipt.
Very long (but quick) process. So yes, changing the UA will help with receiving an mms but the phone, at least in Androids case, is the reason why we can't send a large mms. Since all messaging apps like handcent still rely on the core process used by Android to send messages - there's no way to bypass it completely. You can trick it into sending a 300Kb picture as long as the original size isn't much larger but good luck on 600Kb - 1MB or more, they get downsized to nothing.