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Hi there,
I haven't been updated on rooting and all that jazz in a while, so please excuse my ignorance.
I have a Galaxy S3 (SGH-T999) on 4.1.2. It's stock rooted, but I don't have a custom Recovery or anything on it. I didn't (and don't) want to trip the root counter.
Is there a way to upgrade my phone to 4.3, have root working, and not trip the root counter? (Basically, what I currently have, except on 4.3)
Also, I Googled this new Knox feature I've seen people talk about, it seems like a lot of people here don't like it-- should I not want it on my phone too?
Happy holidays,
-Proxin
The counter is easy enough to reset if still on 4.1.2, so your best bet is to install a custom recovery through odin, then flash docholiday's 4.3 stock deknoxed rom and the new modem, and the at&t kernel for working wifi. This way you can use triangle away to reset the flash counter. If you install 4.3 with 4.3 firmware, you will not be able to root without tripping the knox counter.
Hope this helps
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masondoctorjt said:
The counter is easy enough to reset if still on 4.1.2, so your best bet is to install a custom recovery through odin, then flash docholiday's 4.3 stock deknoxed rom and the new modem, and the at&t kernel for working wifi. This way you can use triangle away to reset the flash counter. If you install 4.3 with 4.3 firmware, you will not be able to root without tripping the knox counter.
Hope this helps
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From what I understood back in the day when I got root, if you installed a custom recovery, you either triggered the counter or lost all your data/wiped the phone. Is that still the case?
Edit: Or was it un-tripping the counter that caused the data to wipe?
If you want 4.3 touchwiz, root, and a warranty, all at the same time, don't take the official update.
Instead, flash the 4.3 ROM zip, 4.3 modem, and a compatible kernel, using twrp or cwm recovery.
If you ever need to odin, do not use any version newer than MD5 or you are stuck with Knox and can never go back.
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Proxin said:
From what I understood back in the day when I got root, if you installed a custom recovery, you either triggered the counter or lost all your data/wiped the phone. Is that still the case?
Edit: Or was it un-tripping the counter that caused the data to wipe?
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It still triggers the counter, but it can be reset. It did not wipe my data, but backup just in case. Resetting the counter did not wipe data either. But do not update to the official 4.3 if you want to root and still have a warranty.
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Uh oh. I searched around for guides on updating like you guys said, and followed the guide here which promised root, 4.3, and no root counter... and now I can't use root, even though I installed a pre-rooted ROM.
I'm on 4.3 now, but don't have the ability to use root. I don't seem to have the Knox thing though.
I don't understand why I don't have root on a rooted ROM... what should I do?
Edit: This is the exact version I used: root66_TMO_T999UVUEMJC.tar.md5
Proxin said:
Uh oh. I searched around for guides on updating like you guys said, and followed the guide here which promised root, 4.3, and no root counter... and now I can't use root, even though I installed a pre-rooted ROM.
I'm on 4.3 now, but don't have the ability to use root. I don't seem to have the Knox thing though.
I don't understand why I don't have root on a rooted ROM... what should I do?
Edit: This is the exact version I used: root66_TMO_T999UVUEMJC.tar.md5
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To fix root, enable developer options by pressing build number 7 times, then enable root access for apps and adb under dev options.
MJC is TW 4.3 which includes knox. AFAIK the root66 version has knox removed from the rom, but it is impossible to remove it from the bootloader.
Adreaver said:
To fix root, enable developer options by pressing build number 7 times, then enable root access for apps and adb under dev options.
MJC is TW 4.3 which includes knox. AFAIK the root66 version has knox removed from the rom, but it is impossible to remove it from the bootloader.
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I checked in developer options after pressing the build number 7 times, but I don't see anything about enabling root in there...
Do I have to re-root somehow? If so, will that throw off the counter?
Proxin said:
Uh oh. I searched around for guides on updating like you guys said, and followed the guide here which promised root, 4.3, and no root counter... and now I can't use root, even though I installed a pre-rooted ROM.
I'm on 4.3 now, but don't have the ability to use root. I don't seem to have the Knox thing though.
I don't understand why I don't have root on a rooted ROM... what should I do?
Edit: This is the exact version I used: root66_TMO_T999UVUEMJC.tar.md5
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That's why posts need read completely. It clearly says it will trip the Knox counter in 4.3 in the second paragraph of the first post under "4.3 notes" sorry that happened though.:banghead: Maybe someday someone will come up with a knox bypass in the bootloader.
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masondoctorjt said:
That's why posts need read completely. It clearly says it will trip the Knox counter in 4.3 in the second paragraph of the first post under "4.3 notes" sorry that happened though.:banghead: Maybe someday someone will come up with a knox bypass in the bootloader.
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I don't understand-- it seems like it says Knox is removed in order for root to stick:
4.3 Image Notes: With 4.3 images, KNOX is removed in order for root to stick. This will flag the Knox counter. Once you flash one of these 4.3 images you now have the latest factory stock bootloader, radio, etc. Flashing a prior bootloader can hard/soft brick your device. Please read and understand what you are doing.
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I took it to mean root will flag the Knox counter so it has been removed from the images.
The wording is very ambiguous...
I'm pretty close to just nuking my install and starting over with CyanogenMod, not caring if I trip the counter or not. Is it possible to do so with the current setup, or will I end up with a brick/semibrick somehow? I figure I might as well, since rooting will likely trip the counter anyway.
Yes lol
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pgarcia777 said:
Yes lol
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"It has been removed", it being Knox haha. That's how I understood it...
So yes, it's possible to get CyanogenMod working without a brick or semi-brick coming from this version I installed?
Yes, I could have been worded better. You can flash other
ROMs but make sure they don't include an older bootloader or your device will brick from what I understand.
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masondoctorjt said:
Yes, I could have been worded better. You can flash other
ROMs but make sure they don't include an older bootloader or your device will brick from what I understand.
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I ended up just saying "eff it" and hopped onto CyanogenMod. Probably tripped the root counter, but by now I just don't care anymore.
Thanks for helping me in this thread though, I appreciate it.
Take care and happy holidays.
You did trip the Knox counter.
Just so anyone else reading this thread knows, if you value your warranty DO NOT UPDATE TO 4.3 VIA ODIN . Instead, flash the 4.3 rom , kernel, and modem zips in CWM or TWRP recovery.
Do not Odin MJC (or MK4 for you T999L people) if you want root and warranty, as once you are on the Knox boot loader you can't go back.
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Adreaver said:
You did trip the Knox counter.
Just so anyone else reading this thread knows, if you value your warranty DO NOT UPDATE TO 4.3 VIA ODIN . Instead, flash the 4.3 rom , kernel, and modem zips in CWM or TWRP recovery.
Do not Odin MJC (or MK4 for you T999L people) if you want root and warranty, as once you are on the Knox boot loader you can't go back.
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One of the things that bugs me about forums, finding information is a pain the butt. I just want to get my device back to stock so I can get OTA updates, GPS doesn't suck, and can use Wifi. I don't care about root anymore or using custom roms. I'm learning Objective C right now to branch into iOS development. I'm sick of the Android ecosystem, to be frank.
I'm on Wicked Rom with Android v4.1.1
Baseband T999UVDMD5, Kernal 3.0.65-DeviantKernel_07
I'm downloading T999UVUEMJC_T999TMBEMJC_TMB.zip right now, along with root66_TMO_T999UVUEMJC_2.7z
Which one do I need to flash? if root66 gives me root, then cool I'll take it, but as I said, I don't care. I'll be using Mobile Odin since I'm on a mac and I sold my PC. If I need to install Windows via bootcamp then so be it, but I really don't want to.
If I need to update the rom, kernel, modem, etc all separately where do I find those files? *scratches head*
So i've been doing some research and RLDV clearly can achieve root without tripping the flag. But it seems too messy for me and I really dont want to be assed to download so many things. I hear about Kingo and was curious if this was useable to achieve root as well and not trip the knox flag?
Furthermore, I read somewhere that it's actually possible to flash SafeStrap and not trip knox flag? anybody have more information on this?
I just used Kingo, one program to download, it probably downloads extra files automatically (it's multi device) and I have root, pretty much painless. I'm assuming Knox flag is not tripped, but I'm too lazy to look for info how to check, since it would be too late now to do anything anyhow. Surprisingly it did not work with my older back up phone GS3, updated to 4.3, Knox included. Kingo will also unroot your phone as well with one click. Can't help with Safestrap, as I just wanted to remove region lock and kill some bloatware.
kingo will NOT trip Knox. and it's painless to do. download app on the pc, connect your device, click a couple times, instant root. nothing else changes
From my understanding it is not the root that trips knox counter it is when you put a custom recovery on
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keithrich1990 said:
From my understanding it is not the root that trips knox counter it is when you put a custom recovery on
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some rooting methods will trip Knox. for example Chainfire's method will trip Knox. Kingo wont
thanks guys. Would anybody know about Safestrap by chance? I can't locate the thread I once saw regarding it
This was a thread on the Kingo method on I believe the Note 3 general board that got closed by the mods because they wanted to look into the software more.
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thanks guys. Would anybody know about Safestrap by chance? I can't locate the thread I once saw regarding it
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Go check the AT&T note 3 forum for info on safe strap
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I just want to be absolutely sure, so here goes. I am on stock, rooted 4.1.1 at the moment. If I just let AT&T run the 4.3 update, I can still keep/reroot root, I just can't go back to 4.1.1 correct?
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I just want to be absolutely sure, so here goes. I am on stock, rooted 4.1.1 at the moment. If I just let AT&T run the 4.3 update, I can still keep/reroot root, I just can't go back to 4.1.1 correct?
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Yeah, that's correct. If you go stock 4.3, via the OTA update, you will lose root initially. You can, however, always re-root. The most effective method to root after 4.3 is to Odin TWRP, boot to recovery and then flash SuperSu and the knox remover tool via recovery. Install SuperSU from the play store and run it to update the binary when prompted.
Won't let me thank you on the mobile app, so I'll do it when I get home from work, thank you! Wonder what happened to the premium version I paid for. Took my money and ran lol
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Installing the OTA 4.3 update will also install Knox. Rooting will trip the Knox counter which will void your warranty. If you have no warranty left, tripping knox will now be a problem.
You should also know that Knox can sometimes interfere with obtaining root.
audit13 said:
Installing the OTA 4.3 update will also install Knox. Rooting will trip the Knox counter which will void your warranty. If you have no warranty left, tripping knox will now be a problem.
You should also know that Knox can sometimes interfere with obtaining root.
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So one person saying you can root no problem, another one saying you might be able to root, might not? This is why there should be a very clear sticky at the top of the forums for everyone to read about just 4.3 and all there is to know about it. Because maybe's are pretty terrible when it comes to flashing/unlocking/rooting/bricking your device.
I don't care about warranty, I'm getting the S5 shortly, I just want to be able to root after the update, is that possible with lets just say the Auto root program, or is it not possible? By possible, I mean I won't have to go out and trade 7 cows for a horse and plow a 600 acre field with said horse.
EDIT: I think I've fingered it out, Thanks for the help fellas.
Djspinister said:
So one person saying you can root no problem, another one saying you might be able to root, might not? This is why there should be a very clear sticky at the top of the forums for everyone to read about just 4.3 and all there is to know about it. Because maybe's are pretty terrible when it comes to flashing/unlocking/rooting/bricking your device.
I don't care about warranty, I'm getting the S5 shortly, I just want to be able to root after the update, is that possible with lets just say the Auto root program, or is it not possible? By possible, I mean I won't have to go out and trade 7 cows for a horse and plow a 600 acre field with said horse.
EDIT: I think I've fingered it out, Thanks for the help fellas.
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There is no question about it. You can root even after 4.3 OTA. I've done it half a dozen times. Audit is right that you will trip the warranty but since this isn't an issue ...
The usual methods of rooting including CF Auto-Root don't always work and the method I've used with success each time is Option 2 in the thread below. The knox removal script disables knox ...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538991
Sounds good man, I'll hit that up when I get home, thank you!
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I'm coming from a Nexus 10 which is dying soon (bad motherboard) and was looking at getting a Wifi 32gb Note 10.1. But I have a few questions for the seasoned pros here :cyclops:
How smoothly does the Note 10.1 run on the latest firmware? (I'm assuming Kitkat)
If the stock firmware isn't silky smooth, is there anything I can do to fix it?
Are all the HMP problems with the Exynos 5420 fixed yet?
Any way to root the tablet without voiding warranty?
loooller said:
How smoothly does the Note 10.1 run on the latest firmware? (I'm assuming Kitkat)
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smooth. have noticed no hangups or stutters or anything like that — i gotta say that TouchWiz in KK has been much less crappy than i thought it would be. YMMV depending on your apps. that said, i'm coming from an Asus TF700, which was a complete POS, and the Note 10.1 (2014) has been a dream in comparison.
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If the stock firmware isn't silky smooth, is there anything I can do to fix it?
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install Apex (what i did) or Nova as your launcher. and/or root and freeze apps via Titanium.
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Are all the HMP problems with the Exynos 5420 fixed yet?
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they weren't problems so much as frustrations that Samsung decided in its wisdom not to enable it for this tablet. it runs fine out of the box with KK without HMP.
Oh and will rooting void the warranty?
Yes. Rooting will cause the KNOX bit to change. KNOX bit is detecting any non KNOX kernels. And once you do that, it fires.
But we are still not sure whether it will cause warranty issues. IMHO It's just a safe assumption right now. I am happy without rooting my device.
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Oh and will rooting void the warranty?
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No you will NOT trip Knox if you Root,,I'm rooted on my Note 3 and Tab and counter is 0×0
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GalaxyNotesTx said:
No you will NOT trip Knox if you Root,,I'm rooted on my Note 3 and Tab and counter is 0×0
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can you please share the method of rooting our note 10.12014 edition without trippin knox?
For the Sanpdragon variant SM-P605 there is a method called de la vega.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2501700
Reportedly they have been able to do it without tripping the KNOX bit. The method was ported from Note 3 to Note 10.1-14 (605).
But for Exynos variant i.e. WiFi version P600. The method is Chain Fire's AutoRoot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2490805
P.S. This will TRIP the KNOX bit.
STELIOSFAN said:
can you please share the method of rooting our note 10.12014 edition without trippin knox?
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Kingo Root..very easy and works!!
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Kingo Root..very easy and works!!
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kingo seems indeed very easy. Will it work on MJ9 build without trippin knox? (SM-P605)
I'm asking beacause I was reading that not all fw support it without knox trippin....
thanx
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Kingo Root..very easy and works!!
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Are you saying Kingo Root doesn't trip the Knox fuse? I have been looking hard for a way of doing this and so far seen absolutely nothing, here or anywhere else, to suggest that this is possible. This thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538345 suggests it doesn't even work much less do so without blowing the fuse.
Please elaborate.
lotus49 said:
Are you saying Kingo Root doesn't trip the Knox fuse? I have been looking hard for a way of doing this and so far seen absolutely nothing, here or anywhere else, to suggest that this is possible. This thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538345 suggests it doesn't even work much less do so without blowing the fuse.
Please elaborate.
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Hi yes, I have rooted both my devices and can go into download mode and counter says Ox0 ,,the boot loader is locked,,so i am still on stock ROM, I don't have Safe strap on either,,,I really have no need for flashing other Roms since I get 3-4 days of battery out of my Note 3. I believe if you "flash" another ROM its possible it might a e fuse ,,..I could be wrong ..
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Hi yes, I have rooted both my devices and can go into download mode and counter says Ox0 ,,the boot loader is locked,,so i am still on stock ROM, I don't have Safe strap on either,,,I really have no need for flashing other Roms since I get 3-4 days of battery out of my Note 3. I believe if you "flash" another ROM its possible it might a e fuse ,,..I could be wrong ..
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I assumed you have the P600 wifi based on your signature. What KK rom build version you were using when you rooted your device? With the D2(latest) Kingo not even work!! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53135814 .At this time, there is no way to root the p600 without triping the knox counter.
buhohitr said:
Kingo not even work!! http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53135814 .At this time, there is no way to root the p600 without triping the knox counter.
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This was exactly my understanding as well. I'd love to be able to root mine without blowing the fuse and I don't care about installing a different ROM, I just want root access.
There must be some misunderstanding here because this is literally the only reference I have found on the web in six months of looking, to being able to root a P600 without blowing the fulse.
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This was exactly my understanding as well. I'd love to be able to root mine without blowing the fuse and I don't care about installing a different ROM, I just want root access.
There must be some misunderstanding here because this is literally the only reference I have found on the web in six months of looking, to being able to root a P600 without blowing the fulse.
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If you read GalaxyNotesTx comment, he mentioned Note 3 instead of Note 10.1...He just confused between his devices! Again, currently no way to root without trip the knox counter.
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If you read GalaxyNotesTx comment, he mentioned Note 3 instead of Note 10.1...He just confused between his devices! Again, currently no way to root without trip the knox counter.
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You are quite right. That is disappointing but not surprising.
Kingo Root tries to root my 4.3 Note10 but fails.
I had to CF root thru Odin and knox is 0x1.
Kingo Root did root my 4.4 Note3 but knox is 0x1.
Ok, so I was rooted all the way back in Nov 2012 when I got my N2, and have been running mostly AOSP rooms ever since. Last one I had was Liquid Smooth, a 4.4.4 rom, which I was using 3 days ago.
BUT ...
I wanted tap and pay available in Google Wallet and for the life of me, I don't know how to enable it in an AOSP rom. So I went back to stock unrooted, and OTA'd my way up to AT&T stock 4.4.2 which they put out a couple weeks ago. Now Google Wallet tap and pay is up and running nicely.
BUT...
I hate being unrooted. So I want to root again, but now I have Knox, and I want to root without tripping the Knox counter. Trouble is, all the root guides I know about (including the video right here on xda), are two years old, before they had Knox, and so they don't include any steps that I know of to disable the counter.
So, how do I root my 4.4.2 At&t N2 without tripping Knox?
(I'm super bummed nobody has enabled Tap and Pay in a 4.4 AOSP rom).
-Peter
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Ok, so I was rooted all the way back in Nov 2012 when I got my N2, and have been running mostly AOSP rooms ever since. Last one I had was Liquid Smooth, a 4.4.4 rom, which I was using 3 days ago.
BUT ...
I wanted tap and pay available in Google Wallet and for the life of me, I don't know how to enable it in an AOSP rom. So I went back to stock unrooted, and OTA'd my way up to AT&T stock 4.4.2 which they put out a couple weeks ago. Now Google Wallet tap and pay is up and running nicely.
BUT...
I hate being unrooted. So I want to root again, but now I have Knox, and I want to root without tripping the Knox counter. Trouble is, all the root guides I know about (including the video right here on xda), are two years old, before they had Knox, and so they don't include any steps that I know of to disable the counter.
So, how do I root my 4.4.2 At&t N2 without tripping Knox?
(I'm super bummed nobody has enabled Tap and Pay in a 4.4 AOSP rom).
-Peter
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If you got your phone way back when then tripping Knox shouldn't matter as Knox only voids the warranty which would have ended November 2013 assuming you got it November 2012
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If you got your phone way back when then tripping Knox shouldn't matter as Knox only voids the warranty which would have ended November 2013 assuming you got it November 2012
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understood. i mostly wanted to know because of my "hacker's heart". IOW, it's more fun/satisfying for me if i can do it without tripping the knox counter.
-peter
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understood. i mostly wanted to know because of my "hacker's heart". IOW, it's more fun/satisfying for me if i can do it without tripping the knox counter.
-peter
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I think as long as you don't do anything to the recovery i think you can root without tripping knox maybe look into it
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Heres this look though this and see what everyone says
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980644
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Are you saying maybe root without a custom recovery (cwm or twrp)?
Interesting idea. Cant say ive ever heard of a root that does not automatically install a custom recovery. Have yiu?
-Peter
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Are you saying maybe root without a custom recovery (cwm or twrp)?
Interesting idea. Cant say ive ever heard of a root that does not automatically install a custom recovery. Have yiu?
-Peter
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Certainly possible to root without installing recovery or changing any partitions. For instance, on the Galaxy S II, where I'm familiar with things, we use Framaroot with the Aragorn exploit as the rooting method of choice. It installs only Superuser and the SU binary. The Note II is in the list of exynos devices that it will work with, and the exploit would be one of Sam, Frodo, Legolas or Aragorn. Hope this is useful to you.
I just purchased a used Note II for my wife, so I need to be doing some reading to get up to speed on this device. I honestly have no idea yet if rooting would cause you any problems with the knox counter, assuming you are even vunerable to that. So YMMV.
Theres an apk you can get that maybe roots your phone like towelroot.com idk if that will work for the note 2 or not tho
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Certainly possible to root without installing recovery or changing any partitions. For instance, on the Galaxy S II, where I'm familiar with things, we use Framaroot with the Aragorn exploit as the rooting method of choice. It installs only Superuser and the SU binary. The Note II is in the list of exynos devices that it will work with, and the exploit would be one of Sam, Frodo, Legolas or Aragorn. Hope this is useful to you.
I just purchased a used Note II for my wife, so I need to be doing some reading to get up to speed on this device. I honestly have no idea yet if rooting would cause you any problems with the knox counter, assuming you are even vunerable to that. So YMMV.
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I cannot believe it. Creepy! Totally missed all your helpful comments to others in the S2 forums. Glad to have you here.
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