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[Q] I flashed CM9 now i cant turn on the phone anymore

hi can someone help me i cant turn on the phone anymore i tried to clear used data and it just frose i took of the battery now i cant turn it on on download or in regular mod or in clockwork recovery any advice

majmuni said:
hi can someone help me i cant turn on the phone anymore i tried to clear used data and it just frose i took of the battery now i cant turn it on on download or in regular mod or in clockwork recovery any advice
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Normally I wouldn't answer, because this question should be posted in the Q&A board, not here, but....
You hardbricked. WHen you try to turn on the device, you just get a solid blue LED, right? That's a hardbrick. Most likely because you did not follow the instructions in the OP telling you DO NOT FLASH ROM/KERNEL FROM ANY ICS RECOVERY. Only flash from EL26 StockCWM
If you have device insurance you can get Sprint to replace it, so long as you don't tell them HOW you killed it If you DON'T pay for insurance, it'll cost $35 to replace.
Moral of the story? READ THE OP. TWICE.

well my bad thanx no way to get it to turn on

neatchee said:
If you have device insurance you can get Sprint to replace it, so long as you don't tell them HOW you killed it If you DON'T pay for insurance, it'll cost $35 to replace.
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Most of this is true. However, Sprint doesn't care HOW the phone gets bricked. I work for a Tech Store in Buffalo. If any tech/rep tells you that they won't replace a rooted/attempted root phone, call them a liar. Tell them to check Sprint's M&P's (methods and procedures).
That being said, rooting STILL voids your warranty, but Sprint is supposed to work on them. Chances are we just flash stock and work on it from there.
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dav3wash said:
Most of this is true. However, Sprint doesn't care HOW the phone gets bricked. I work for a Tech Store in Buffalo. If any tech/rep tells you that they won't replace a rooted/attempted root phone, call them a liar. Tell them to check Sprint's M&P's (methods and procedures).
That being said, rooting STILL voids your warranty, but Sprint is supposed to work on them. Chances are we just flash stock and work on it from there.
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So...how do you flash them back to stock if it gets bricked? care to share

d1msum4lyfe said:
So...how do you flash them back to stock if it gets bricked? care to share
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I manage some repair shops. Last one I saw, last Wednesday, I couldn't get it going. I only had about an hour to mess with it, but I couldn't get anything to work. I wouldn't say I had completely given up, but given my resources at the store, it wasn't happening. Neither of the 2 computers we use in the tech room would recognize the device in Odin mode (while it read other Touches in Odin mode just fine). It would recognize the device if you booted regular and let it sit on the Galaxy S screen, but flashing wouldn't work and it would never advance past that screen. We just ordered a replacement for the guy. He had flashed a ROM from an ICS kernel.
Only problems I've had on mine is losing signal and the phone going into Airplane mode on rare occasions. Power button menu will actually say it's in airplane mode, too. Turning it off usually fixes things. My phone did have LOS problem initially, but that went away once Samsung updated the modem awhile back. So, it does seem that I end up in low signal situations now and again. Currently running the FC05 modem.

d1msum4lyfe said:
So...how do you flash them back to stock if it gets bricked? care to share
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Oh if its hard bricked, we don't lol. I guess my point was more that if you bring a rooted phone into a sprint store, Mr. Hesse says we have to work on it or replace it if there's no physical or liquid damage

you did not follow the instructions in the OP telling you DO NOT FLASH ROM/KERNEL FROM ANY ICS RECOVERY. Only flash from EL26 StockCWM
Flash stock rom with odin and pit file then go from there.....

dav3wash said:
Oh if its hard bricked, we don't lol. I guess my point was more that if you bring a rooted phone into a sprint store, Mr. Hesse says we have to work on it or replace it if there's no physical or liquid damage
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Then why did the rep say I had to wait a day and speak to the store supervisor to approve a replacement?

Mattheyu said:
Then why did the rep say I had to wait a day and speak to the store supervisor to approve a replacement?
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Because the employee was a moron, doesn't know how to read, or doesn't know how to do his job properly.

Mattheyu said:
Then why did the rep say I had to wait a day and speak to the store supervisor to approve a replacement?
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Because technically you voided your warranty by flashing software to your phone... It says that everywhere there is a big difference between rooted and custom firmware.... That would be why most everyone has a USB jig to reset the flash count in download mode ....
If they can prove you had ics on it they really don't have to do anything but flag your phone as warranty void
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Epix4G said:
Because technically you voided your warranty by flashing software to your phone... It says that everywhere there is a big difference between rooted and custom firmware.... That would be why most everyone has a USB jig to reset the flash count in download mode ....
If they can prove you had ics on it they really don't have to do anything but flag your phone as warranty void
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Their system reported that it was running stock EL29 (from a rep when I asked), the ODIN flash count was zero, and it reported that it was running official Samsung firmware. I could only get a vague answer pertaining to "microcode" when I asked them to prove it.

Mattheyu said:
Their system reported that it was running stock EL29 (from a rep when I asked), the ODIN flash count was zero, and it reported that it was running official Samsung firmware. I could only get a vague answer pertaining to "microcode" when I asked them to prove it.
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Well call back and get the info so that you can at least inform us about micro code or whatever....good info is good info sorry about your phone but if you're going to be doing stuff like flashing alpha rooms you really need insurance too
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Epix4G said:
Well call back and get the info so that you can at least inform us about micro code or whatever....good info is good info sorry about your phone but if you're going to be doing stuff like flashing alpha rooms you really need insurance too
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I do have insurance, and they are now replacing it, but they refused to do it that day because the supervisor was not there.
Can you suggest a graceful way of convincing the tech who relayed this information to divulge his methods?

Mattheyu said:
I do have insurance, and they are now replacing it, but they refused to do it that day because the supervisor was not there.
Can you suggest a graceful way of convincing the tech who relayed this information to divulge his methods?
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I just ask them ... It's my phone And just tell him you would like the info if possible just be nice is usually the thing kind of BS with them
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Mattheyu said:
I do have insurance, and they are now replacing it, but they refused to do it that day because the supervisor was not there.
Can you suggest a graceful way of convincing the tech who relayed this information to divulge his methods?
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Glad to hear you're getting a replacement. I'd been think about this microcode thing, ever since you posted about it in the other thread.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microcode
I have a feeling the tech was using the word "microcode" as a synonym for the phone's firmware, taking the stance that the only way for the firmware to get wiped was if you manually flashed your phone. They're replacing your phone because 1) they really can't prove you rooted and flashed it, and the microcode thing was bull**** and 2) at the end of the day, they have to replace your phone anyways under warranty if you didn't drop it in the toilet.
If Sprint techs had some other way to identify that a phone had been manually flashed, other than the known methods, I'm quite sure the good folks at XDA would already know about it.

Rediculously noob question: Will I be able to use my $7.99 t-mo warranty if I root?

I really want to root my phone because I don't like touchwiz at all. However, I recently dropped my One S in a pool and I'm scared of doing that to my S3. Can I use my tmobile full warranty if I mess up my phone? If not, are there any good warranties that cover rooted phones?
This is my first post so I don't know if I'm doing it right.
Thanks in advance guys.

Warranty is toast, you better going to a launcher like apex, nova, go launcher, it replaces your stock theme with sense, iphone (icrap) miui, asop, basically almost anything
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You could use it if you flash back to stock or if you mess it up so bad it wont turn back on
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flashallthetime said:
Warranty is toast, you better going to a launcher like apex, nova, go launcher, it replaces your stock theme with sense, iphone (icrap) miui, asop, basically almost anything
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how do the people at t-mo verify that its rooted? does it like go into their system or something?

If its damaged enough that it won't turn on, how will they find out? If it does turn on, then Odin back to stock, how will they find out?

stevessvt said:
If its damaged enough that it won't turn on, how will they find out? If it does turn on, then Odin back to stock, how will they find out?
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yeah, im wondering if they can tell if its rooted in their system. do you know how they tell if its rooted?

If its damaged enough to need replacing, but you feel as though it may still be in good enough shape for them to find out, maybe it needs to meet a harsher fate. Like being introduced to your car tire.

stevessvt said:
If its damaged enough to need replacing, but you feel as though it may still be in good enough shape for them to find out, maybe it needs to meet a harsher fate. Like being introduced to your car tire.
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very interesting idea... do you think it will actually work?

Juat root. If you need to replace it you can flash a stock odin..
Also idk that they check for that.. I sent a gs2 back rooted with no problem
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stevessvt said:
If its damaged enough to need replacing, but you feel as though it may still be in good enough shape for them to find out, maybe it needs to meet a harsher fate. Like being introduced to your car tire.
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lmfao that's funny..
dude just root and flash away.. if u need to return it just odin back to stock and use triangle away to reset your flash counter to 0, done.

I highly doubt that they will not warranty you. All you have to say is your phone is acting up and you've tried everything. Like resetting the phone and etc... Eventually they will send you out a replacement phone. Just make sure you revert back to stock. Oh and unroot it if possible.
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I know people always say "your warranty is now void" when rooting but I've never had that actually be the case. I've had 2-3 rooted phones replaced on the spot in T-Mobile stores due to hardware defects. I even told one rep it was rooted and he still replaced it then and there. My Nexus One was rooted and I had it replaced by Assurion after breaking the screen and paying my $100 deductible.
And like others said, worst case you can just flash it back to stock via Odin.
I say root it. But I will warn you, you will get completely addicted to flashing new ROMs. I promise.

How does T-Mobile find out? T-Mobile isn't the provider of your insurance, Asurion is. How does Asurion find out? They don't, Sammy does. Odin counter unless you reset it after a stock flash and root. I've said too much.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy SIII

I returned my old Samsung Vibrant for a hardware defect about a year back (it was rooted), they never found out. Then again, I did ODIN back to stock just to be safe.
Basically, if its working enough for them to find out, then you can probably flash it back to stock yourself. If it isn't, well hell, they probably aren't going to bother finding out what's wrong with it...
And from what i've heard, they really don't even check these phones out. They just replace whatever is wrong with them, and flash it back to stock themselves.

I had to do a 14 day exchange to get this one. I just flashed a stock Rom.
Triangle away works now: resets the flash counter.
Flash away
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I returned a HTC Sensation that was rooted. It was DOA and wouldn't turn on. Warranty sent me a new one and a box for the old one. Never heard from them so they probably just recycled it.

I had to replace my last phone (vibrant) twice under the 7.99 warranty due to small hardware failures (no gps lock on stock, accelerometer broke), and both times I just ODIN'd back to stock and sent it back. Never had an issue.
I did test after going back to stock that the issue still happened, just to confirm it wasn't root or a custom rom-only.

Frankly getting tired of people asking if it's ok to commit insurance fraud to root their phone.
People like that cost us all money in the long run
Sent from the current Heavy Weight Champ GALAXY SIII

ingenious247 said:
Frankly getting tired of people asking if it's ok to commit insurance fraud to root their phone.
People like that cost us all money in the long run
Sent from the current Heavy Weight Champ GALAXY SIII
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Blah blah blah... I'd bet money that if you hard brick your phone by accident, or find other hardware defects, you'll be going straight to the T-Mobile store. No matter what you say on the internet.

sn0warmy said:
Blah blah blah... I'd bet money that if you hard brick your phone by accident, or find other hardware defects, you'll be going straight to the T-Mobile store. No matter what you say on the internet.
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First of all, if I find Hardware defects, that is not insurance fraud so maybe you want to rethink your statement. And going to the T-Mobile store to return under warranty for a hardware defect is not filing an insurance claim.
Secondly, if I brick my phone on accident, that's my dumb fault. Which btw, I have never done, ever. And I've been rooting/flashing for years.
That's my point. Don't come to xda looking to start rooting/flashing and not know what you're doing just because you have insurance fraud as a 'safety net' for idiocy.
People who promote that kind of crap are just as bad as the people who actually do it.

How does Samsung feel about rooted phones?

I need to send my phone back to Samsung because they have a 1 year manufacturer warranty per Sprint. If I send them back a Stock but rooted phone will they notice/care? The repair is hardware related not software. I need to get half of the small little hooks that are compressed when the battery is inserted. My only though is they may want to wipe battery stats and when they go into Recovery and notice it's TWRP they might get pissy. Thoughts & experiences? Thanks.
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I took mine to sprint fully rooted and on a custom ROM, because my LCD was fried.. They didn't care at all. I wouldn't worry about unrooting it and crap. Just send that bad boy in.
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xbmoyx said:
I need to send my phone back to Samsung because they have a 1 year manufacturer warranty per Sprint. If I send them back a Stock but rooted phone will they notice/care? The repair is hardware related not software. I need to get half of the small little hooks that are compressed when the battery is inserted. My only though is they may want to wipe battery stats and when they go into Recovery and notice it's TWRP they might get pissy. Thoughts & experiences? Thanks.
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My initial thoughts are as follows:
Samsung bootloaders are unlocked by default and they have indicated that they will not lock them in the future. So I'd think they're more likely to forgive rooting when it comes to their 1-year warranty.
According to Samsung's warranty page, as long as the defects you have are in no way caused by custom ROMs or the rooting process, they should cover the repair. Unfortunately, they have the final say in what caused the damage to the phone and could say that the custom kernel fried whatever part is malfunctioning. I seriously doubt that they'd do that, but it all depends on which service person you get and how good/bad their Monday has been. I'd say it'd be best to triangle-away the flash counter and to restore the stock recovery/rom. As always, qbking77 has a great video on how to unroot, so check it out.

I dont know. Samsung would probably be more "aware" of your phones root state compared to sprint. If its something simple like bad USB port, or burnt pixels, I doubt they would care. If your phones O.S. is jacked or you hard brick your phone, likely they will notice. You can avoid these problems if you install triangle away and have it automatically clear your bootloader every time you boot your device.
Remember,
You are taking a risk when you root your phone. Sometimes you will get a service rep who doesn't know anything about rooting and/or could care less....sometimes you will get an XDA Member service rep pissed you are raising their premium, it all depends.

Thanks everyone for your responses! Awesome I'm glad Samsung is open minded with this matter. Yes there is no way my hardware issue is ROM/Software related so I'm hoping they won't care. I'm still going to flash the stock MB1 ROM and use the paid SuperUser app to hide the icon in the app drawer before sending it out just in case. Thanks everyone!
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xbmoyx said:
Thanks everyone for your responses! Awesome I'm glad Samsung is open minded with this matter. Yes there is no way my hardware issue is ROM/Software related so I'm hoping they won't care. I'm still going to flash the stock MB1 ROM and use the paid SuperUser app to hide the icon in the app drawer before sending it out just in case. Thanks everyone!
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What happens after you sent your device to Samsung.... Please let me know....nothing personal just curious to see what their reaction is

tasnim_tamim said:
What happens after you sent your device to Samsung.... Please let me know....nothing personal just curious to see what their reaction is
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This thread is 3 years old, they probably won't answer.
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Droidriven said:
This thread is 3 years old, they probably won't answer.
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Maybe Samsung didn't fixed it at all and they forgot their XDA password...

Knox and jump program

Just wondering if anyone has jumped after tripping the knox counter or anyone confirm that the t mobile store won't check and that further down the road you won't get hit with a bill because you tripped it? I only have a few more months till I jump but with 4.3 out I'm sure there will be tempting ROMs to try out. Thanks
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tylerholbrook said:
Just wondering if anyone has jumped after tripping the knox counter or anyone confirm that the t mobile store won't check and that further down the road you won't get hit with a bill because you tripped it? I only have a few more months till I jump but with 4.3 out I'm sure there will be tempting ROMs to try out. Thanks
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I'm sure no one has. Knox has only been out for like a week for the S4. Store clerks probably don't even know what it is yet.
Though I'd say if they accept it at the store and give you a new phone, you're probably off the hook. I'm not a lawyer, but once they accept your phone back they have completed the transaction. I don't think they could come back later and say they won't honor the completed transaction.
You could say "Knox wasn't tripped when I gave it to you. If it was, the guy in the store wouldn't have accepted it." and what proof do they have otherwise? What proof is that that the device wasn't modified after you turned it in?
I assume the store clerk is responcible for checking out the device and making sure it works. If Knox is something they are cheacking for, then they will catch it. If its not, then it doesn't matter if it's tripped or not. They can't come back later after inspecting it and say they won't honor the deal.
That said, I don't think they'd care about Knox. The only thing they want your old phone for is to resell it as a refurbished device. When it gets refurbished, they will completely wipe the entire system and reinstall it all. So knox won't really matter.

I'm not sure KNOX matters for Jump! because it's not a matter of warranty. Jump! is a program for getting new phones, not fixing or replacing existing phone because of defects/issues. I could very well be wrong though.
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Yeah, I wouldn't worry. I exchanged my s4 couple weeks ago. Camera failure. I'd flashed like 100 times. All I did when it was time to send the phone in was install the stock ROM.
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When I exchanged my s3 because the screen burnt out t mobile told me I could do a free exchange and just send my phone in when the new one came, couple weeks later I got 150 added on my bill because the exchange center said it was somehow my fault the screen just stopped working. Rooted, but never dropped it, actually watched it slowly just fade out. Just don't want that to happen again, but I'm sure over a Knox counter they wouldn't do it, I just over analize crap.
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As far as T-Mobile checking and warranty i highly doubt that it will be a problem.
I have even sent phones back with custom roms still on it.
And never got charged.
I doubt they even look.
Someone I talked too that worked with the warehouse said basically they reflash them and soon as they come in.
So I doubt they will even look at that.

I dought they will check for it but who knows if they are told to do so. I have insurance so my warranty exchage for tmobile is different than samsung. And jump as well will be different warranty than samsung. I had sent phone before with superuser in them. Never heard a word of them coming after me. But now that you gave me that idea I will ask some friends I have that works in stores and as tech support.
Edit. Just texted my friend from tech support. He said that tmobile tells them to check if the phone have the knox warranty void. But if the rep/ sales men dont check for it. Samsung might not pay tmobile back for a phone thats been modded so tmobile will bill you for the phone. He says that it's depends wether samsung will take it or not. So im not sure. I guess we have to wait until someone does it.

Seems like you could put up a fairly good fight. Their faq says it must pass a 3 point inspection, turns on, no cracked screen, and no water damage. I'm sure there is a more detailed agreement we signed for jump but print out the faq and show it to them when the time comes. That's what we agreed to and that's what they are beholden to.
http://www.t-mobile.com/phone-upgrade.html
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T-Mobile stance on rooted phones?

Food for thought. As a part of the "T-Mobile My Account" app is a device health (beta) page that will scan the phone for various settings. If you tap on either the "Battery state" or "Device performance" and look for a box that says "Show all test" being rooted is among the list. When I read over the various warranties and agreements, I was looking specifically for anything about root, rooting, rooted, "" access. The best I found only mentions that issues caused by 3rd party software are not covered.
Seeing this makes me wonder if T-Mobile as part of its "un-carrier" move may be opening up to the idea.
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I work for tmo, so far, no change in our stance on processing warranties for rooted devices
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I work for tmo, so far, no change in our stance on processing warranties for rooted devices
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This is why I don't understand people's hate towards Samsung's Knox when they trip it due to rooting and custom TOM's.
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Cause on an HTC or nexus device you can completely go back to stock and have no evidence of rooting. With Knox, you're screwed. There's no resetting it. I don't know how LG works, this is my first LG device
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beats4x said:
I work for tmo, so far, no change in our stance on processing warranties for rooted devices
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Just out of curiosity, what is T-Mobile's stance? I'm very new to TMo. So new, I switched/ordered my phone on Tuesday and due to a "Systems Issue" I don't even believe my phone has been shipped yet.

CrucialBT said:
Just out of curiosity, what is T-Mobile's stance? I'm very new to TMo. So new, I switched/ordered my phone on Tuesday and due to a "Systems Issue" I don't even believe my phone has been shipped yet.
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Honestly, if you return to stock (completely) and then go in for warranty, you should be okay. The official stance is no, but I know that 99 times out of 100 you're not gonna have an issue. Unless it's blatantly obvious that you caused your issue by messing with your phone. If you ever need anything when dealing with Tmobile feel free to pm me on here. That goes for anyone who reads this.
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Returned my g2 yesterday, wiped it but left it stock rooted with twrp recovery. She didn't say anything about it.

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Returned my g2 yesterday, wiped it but left it stock rooted with twrp recovery. She didn't say anything about it.
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Yup, and things like this happen where reps are completely oblivious. It's not uncommon.
I only said what I did because I know quite a few managers from the bay area to Sacramento, and a good portion of them are into rooting phones and train their staff (not cause they want to screw you over, just to make sure that they retain their job) to look for it.
So yeah, you'll probably be fine if you don't unroot your phone, but an extra 10 minutes of work won't hurt you.
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I usually get my best results by going into the store and being a real jerk, swear at the counter people, call them names then tell them you rooted the phone and now there are some issues....
JK,,, dont do that.
If you are nice and act dumb they will help you.

Hmm, I don't even HAVE a store around here, I'd be dealing with whoever is at the other end of the shipping tag.

beats4x said:
Honestly, if you return to stock (completely) and then go in for warranty, you should be okay. The official stance is no, but I know that 99 times out of 100 you're not gonna have an issue. Unless it's blatantly obvious that you caused your issue by messing with your phone. If you ever need anything when dealing with Tmobile feel free to pm me on here. That goes for anyone who reads this.
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thats very nice of you to offer that:good:
I agree with your comments; I have rooted every phone I have had over the years with ATT/Sprint/TMO, and NEVER "restored to stock" ANY of the phones I turned in for upgrade/repair/etc, and never once had an issue with ANY carrier.
If you act like a jerk, and hassle the store personnel, you will always have a problem; if you are polite, professional, and dont try to blame someone else for your problem, 99% of the time, you wont have a problem turning in a rooted phone.
Treat people like YOU want to be treated, and you will always be taken care of; at least that's always been my experience..

I have always just unrooted before I went in. Some times I have watched them check the phone and worried if they would try to update it. That was the case with both my HTC Evo 4g and Samsung Galaxy S3 with Sprint. I was trying to avoid the hboot 1.5 and KNOX updates. Only issue I had was when my mms stopped working. Even unrooted the stock messenger wouldn't send them. I was asked if it was rooted and was hoping the unroot file worked. Ever time the phones have finished as I was parking in the lot so I never really had a chance to make sure it was all back to stock.
When I picked up the G3 and changed to T-Mobile I asked and was told unroot it. If no one knows it was rooted then you're good.
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yeah, its so easy to unroot a phone, and if they do a quick check to see if its rooted, and they dont see that it is, they never go any further..

wase4711 said:
yeah, its so easy to unroot a phone, and if they do a quick check to see if its rooted, and they dont see that it is, they never go any further..
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I have had to over the years exchange a few phones with t-mobile, been with them going on 8 years with 5 lines. I always unroot and set back to stock with that said tho, I had to exchange a note 3 for non working GPS and although I did set it back to stock I obviously couldn't reset the knox counter. So far, haven't heard anything about it and that was almost a month ago. While I have no official comment, I do believe t-mobile doesn't care so long as the issue is not related to anything you have done.
I want the g3, but am waiting for root. Just don't care for phones I can't restore to, uninstall unneeded apps etc.

i went on store at LG G3 launch and i showed my note 3 to swap with G3. via JUMP
my phone is rooted, i even teased the girl representative that i have the coolest ROM on it lol. she just smiled and check the note 3 physically. i even let her do a factory reset on the note 3. few mins later i have the black G3 on my possession

I'm not sure what the big deal is. If we can flash a stock ROM onto a phone I'm sure they can, probably easier than we can. It's the hardware condition that really matters.

wase4711 said:
Treat people like YOU want to be treated, and you will always be taken care of; at least that's always been my experience..
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This is called The Golden Rule and XDA and the world in general would be a better place if it was practiced at every opportunity. ?