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Worth it?

Currently have the iPhone 5 (which I'm kinder bored of already) sold my S3 for it. I bought it for £599 in the UK 32gig version but can sell it for £639 - Thinking of doing this. Back to my question, is the Note II worth it?
Its keep the iPhone 5 and get the Note 10.1 or sell the 5 and get the Note II

recklesslife85 said:
Currently have the iPhone 5 (which I'm kinder bored of already) sold my S3 for it. I bought it for £599 in the UK 32gig version but can sell it for £639 - Thinking of doing this. Back to my question, is the Note II worth it?
Its keep the iPhone 5 and get the Note 10.1 or sell the 5 and get the Note II
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You can wait 4 EE's LTE Note 2 variant.

Keep the iPhone 5 and buy the Note II too. Selling the iPhone is never a good idea, sorry.
And about worthiness? Well to me none of these #latest# toys are worthy. Be it 700$ plastic Note or a metal iPhone. But yes, again, to me, aesthetics matters, it'll give you peace and desire for long run, but how long? This ain't your 90's BMW that you will be wanting to keep, as soon as a new one pops up you'll say just frak this. So, you gotta pay what you gotta pay
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SIII?
I'm looking at signing my contract again with Sprint. I don't mind being stuck on a contract for 2 year.
I want a phone that will be decent for 2 more years. I have the HTC EVO “supersonic” running Jelly bean. But it can’t run the latest games and HD apps I like on my Nexus 7.
When the Note was announced I waited, but it never came to Sprint. When the Samsung Galaxy S3 came out I wasn’t impressed because it was gimped dual core for $199 and I wanted a bigger screen. The Note will probably be $299 on contract and now I can get an S3 from Amazon for $149. Is the Note 2 worth double the price? I don’t know if I need a big screen now that I have a Nexus 7.
Pros of the Note 2:
-Double the RAM
-Quad core
-Stylus (taking notes at business meetings)
…But is it worth the price tag? Will there be better xda support for this in 2 years versus the S3?

You should also give a huge shout out to the battery life, it's incredible. At least to me.
I upgraded from a Desire HD, I was not impressed with the iPhone 5 but the Note 2 gives me that WOW effect that I wanted to have when I upgrade my phone. I was kind of worried about paying as much as 555€ (No contract) and had my thoughts if it was worth it but after 2 days using this device , totally. I don't find the size to big either. I am wearing skinny jeans and don't feel it to be bulky. It's probably because of the thin profile. But I have to agree that having an iOS device is also a good thing. (iPad 2 here)

917 said:
You should also give a huge shout out to the battery life, it's incredible. At least to me.
I upgraded from a Desire HD, I was not impressed with the iPhone 5 but the Note 2 gives me that WOW effect that I wanted to have when I upgrade my phone. I was kind of worried about paying as much as 555€ (No contract) and had my thoughts if it was worth it but after 2 days using this device , totally. I don't find the size to big either. I am wearing skinny jeans and don't feel it to be bulky. It's probably because of the thin profile. But I have to agree that having an iOS device is also a good thing. (iPad 2 here)
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why do you need ios when you have android? i always found ios incredebly crippled compared to android but i do not have much ios experience
ps its a serious question not a flame starter

jeriz said:
why do you need ios when you have android? i always found ios incredebly crippled compared to android but i do not have much ios experience
ps its a serious question not a flame starter
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I haven't found many things that iOS can't do that android can do. ( including widgets ) There is apparently a difference in the way they multi task...but they both get it done. Android has NFC, but that's hardware not software. And even now, I think NFC is just a play thing currently. (one that I admit I look forward to tinkering with)
I think the biggest difference is how moding is set up. On iOS, anything fourth party is under cydia. Any mod that I want to do to my iPhone, I just open cydia, hit a button, and it's done. I don't have to crawl web pages looking for a certain tweak and then get it to my phone. On the other hand, Google lets a lot of customization through the play store. Which is great!
From what I've seen, besides hardware optimization (if that is done) with roms like CM, they're just Android with pre-installed tweaks. Where as on iOS it's like you have Vanilla android, and you pick and choose what custom tweaks you want. I personally prefer the way iOS modding is done. But I can't wait to explore what Android has to offer. Though I am concerned at the apparent news that the CM team has no plans to work on the phone. But I have to try and find out if that is really important to me or not.
By the way, OP, idk if you haven't jail broken iOS before, but I'm guessing not since you're on the iPhone 5 and haven't commented how (afaik) that jail break isn't out yet, even tethered. I suggest not selling it, and jail breaking it. Or buy a cheap 3gs, 4 or 4s and jailbreaking that and playing with all the tweaks you can do.
As a new commer to the android community, it seems there is an ignorance at what iOS can do to many of it's most vocal users. Both systems and devices have pros and cons, just decide what flavour you'd rather have now. Or have both! switch one phone out every other week or something hehe. With all the tweaking i've done on my iPhone, i've never once had a stability issue...so it could be your back up as well.
Hope I've helped inform you a bit, and sorry if i've made any mistakes about android.

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I haven't found many things that iOS can't do that android can do. ( including widgets ) There is apparently a difference in the way they multi task...but they both get it done. Android has NFC, but that's hardware not software. And even now, I think NFC is just a play thing currently. (one that I admit I look forward to tinkering with)
I think the biggest difference is how moding is set up. On iOS, anything fourth party is under cydia. Any mod that I want to do to my iPhone, I just open cydia, hit a button, and it's done. I don't have to crawl web pages looking for a certain tweak and then get it to my phone. On the other hand, Google lets a lot of customization through the play store. Which is great!
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you have to look at it like this. on android you reinstall the whole os when you flash a rom there are many roms some of them come with apps that do what you say cydia does, and they are probably cydia inspired so you can have that on android to as part of the os
can you cange anything in the system on ios? on android I can easily modify any file, system or not
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From what I've seen, besides hardware optimization (if that is done) with roms like CM, they're just Android with pre-installed tweaks. Where as on iOS it's like you have Vanilla android, and you pick and choose what custom tweaks you want. I personally prefer the way iOS modding is done. But I can't wait to explore what Android has to offer. Though I am concerned at the apparent news that the CM team has no plans to work on the phone. But I have to try and find out if that is really important to me or not.
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don't say that CM is just android with tweaks preinstalled its not and saying so in a android forum will get you flamed I know most roms are just as you described but saying it about CM is quite insulting to the devs, just a frendly pointer
it is sad that cm won't be going n2 but its not a dealbreaker there will probably be akop and many custom tw roms to choose from and don't forget kernel development and probably miui too, who knows it might even get ubuntu
and if it's just ui canges your after android has literary endless possibilities
SchusterIX said:
As a new commer to the android community, it seems there is an ignorance at what iOS can do to many of it's most vocal users. Both systems and devices have pros and cons, just decide what flavour you'd rather have now. Or have both! switch one phone out every other week or something hehe. With all the tweaking i've done on my iPhone, i've never once had a stability issue...so it could be your back up as well.
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sadly both ios and android have users who bought a religion and not a phone.
I think you might find android more unstable than ios it often is before you learn what not to do so having a backup is a smart move and when you have your first bootloop don't panic just hit xda and find out what you did wrong (yeah it's going to happen and it's going to be your own fault)
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Hope I've helped inform you a bit, and sorry if i've made any mistakes about android.
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it most certanly did, thanks

If you own note II that's mean you had the best ever phone in the market. What is this people how speaking about metal or plastic. I will buy a phone or a knife. Also the martial of note II is very harden. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
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jeriz said:
don't say that CM is just android with tweaks preinstalled its not and saying so in a android forum will get you flamed I know most roms are just as you described but saying it about CM is quite insulting to the devs, just a frendly pointer
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Oh, my mistake! I keep trying to find a better feature list, so I must be missing something haha. There is a reason it's so widely known, even to noobs like me!

kastafela said:
If you own note II that's mean you had the best ever phone in the market. What is this people how speaking about metal or plastic. I will buy a phone or a knife. Also the martial of note II is very harden. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
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best ever phone is NOT the same as best in every way possible and not all people have the same preference. sure its a good phone nobody's saying it isn't but on the other hand s3, onex+ and iphone 5 are very very good phones too and I have no doubt that for some people the note and note2 is simply to massive

recklesslife85 said:
Currently have the iPhone 5 (which I'm kinder bored of already) sold my S3 for it. I bought it for £599 in the UK 32gig version but can sell it for £639 - Thinking of doing this. Back to my question, is the Note II worth it?
Its keep the iPhone 5 and get the Note 10.1 or sell the 5 and get the Note II
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I wouldnt sell the iphone 5. I would add a little more money and buy the note 2 instead of the note 10.1. The note 2 is the most amazing device ive ever had (ipad and galaxy S3 being both second). But the iphone 5 is also great and has great value.
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I keep reading keep iphone keep iphone.. Neither of you realize that once you get used to the 5.55" screen you are not able to go back to anything smaller.. You become a big screen adict.. I don't know how many of you are or were galaxy note 1 owners but if you were you know what I'm talking about..
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msedek said:
I keep reading keep iphone keep iphone.. Neither of you realize that once you get used to the 5.55" screen you are not able to go back to anything smaller.. You become a big screen adict.. I don't know how many of you are or were galaxy note 1 owners but if you were you know what I'm talking about..
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I was a galaxy note 1 owner and yes it's hard to get back to a smaller screen but with time you'll get use to it again. The note 2 isn't the only great smart phone out there by the way. But it depends on the OP it's just a matter of choice. Note 2 is fantastic and now we've just received the update for multiwindow multitasking.

jeriz said:
it is sad that cm won't be going n2 but its not a dealbreaker there will probably be akop and many custom tw roms to choose from and don't forget kernel development and probably miui too, who knows it might even get ubuntu
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That sucks! :crying: I just read this:
" I’ll stay away from all exynos powered phones as long as there is no proper support from samsung in form of documentation and sourcecode (especially userspace) to get aosp properly working on it. "
- CyanogenMod/Team Hacksung developer codeworkx
I may have to look at the LG Optimus G or the next Nexus phone.

aulwes said:
That sucks! :crying: I just read this:
" I’ll stay away from all exynos powered phones as long as there is no proper support from samsung in form of documentation and sourcecode (especially userspace) to get aosp properly working on it. "
- CyanogenMod/Team Hacksung developer codeworkx
I may have to look at the LG Optimus G or the next Nexus phone.
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I don't care about that.. Cyanogenmod can not cover the gn2 features with plain vanilla android.. Multi view its a so long awaited feature.. Smart stay and many others tw features that cyanogenmod will plain lack..
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I never cared for CM, I do respect their work though...
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Pipo M7 Pro vs Nexus 7 (flo)

Hey guys, so I'm going Tablet hunting and have come down with 2 leading candidates, the Pipo M7 Pro, a Chinese Tablet. or the Nexus 7 (2013).
The only thing that worries me is the development. As a Flashaholic I'd like a tablet with decent dev support, and I haven't seen any dev support for the Pipo M7 Pro.
Now, the Nexus 7 Multi touch and GPS/random reboot issues have me here at bay, making the debate a bit more intense.
I'll probably use my tablet for reading, school related work or gaming/listening to music (rarely though, I'll probably have my Galaxy Nexus for that which works fine really(or a Nexus 5 by the time it comes out ))
Any recommendations/Opinions/Point of views will be appreciated.
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Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.

z0phi3l said:
Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Mostly every blog I've read mentions it. But I guess I'm just on that "unlucky and unconventional" part of the internet.
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Been thru quite a few "shows" ... the TF101, the 2012 Nexus 7 & now the 2013 Nexus 7...
I still don't hesitate a bit to buy one. Heck, I even wish there is a refurbished sales right now.

danvee said:
Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.
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So it is a hardware issue? And not software related?
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Your guess is as good as theirs right now....

Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.

Nutsonfire said:
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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dpaganello said:
This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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Thank you for your opinion.
Nutsonfire said:
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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First,
I agree with the above line in bold.
Second,
If you aren't in a hurry to buy a tablet, I'd wait to see what the TegraTab and the LG G Pad 8.3 end up being like. That's what I'm going to do when I return/exchange my N7 flo for the 3rd time. I'm on my 2nd one now, so hopefully the 3rd try will be the the charm! I expect both those options to be more expensive, but if either of them is within 100 of the 32gb N7 flo (as long as it's 32gb or 16gb with a microsd), then I'll probably give it a shot.
Third,
If you absolutely want a tablet right now, I can't recommend the N7 in good conscience. Having had two with the same exact issue(multitouch), I would say the odds are pretty good that you'd get one with the same issue. That said, if the N7 is what you like and you don't mind potentially returning/exchanging it, get one. Just be sure to buy from somewhere with a good return/exchange program. I've had pretty good luck with Best Buy so far, as well as Amazon. I'd choose Best Buy if there's one near you for ease of returning/exchanging, i.e. no wait time.
Good Luck!

Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.

Nutsonfire said:
I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.
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Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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Jimlarck said:
Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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They are not, but fans of Chinese stuff like to go crazy about them and use them to compare with brand name products. If I see two products with similar scores I would expect similar function but clearly it's not the case.
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I had Asus Infinity TF700T before, but I was very disappointed about the build quality and the lagging of the device. I hated that tab every moment. I didn't install custom rom because it required unlocking the device and loosing the warranty. So I sold it and bought Pipo M7pro.
I like the screen and size of the tablet and this is much faster and smoother than Asus TF700. Also the build quality is better than on Asus, which had loose screen even repaired three times for warranty.
Multi window feature is pretty cool! Check the video from youtube.
I'm really satisfied of this cheap Chinese tab!
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So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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Jimlarck said:
So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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I think the Chinese phones and tablets may have some issues but then again so do other phones. In my opinion it is best to wait for a very comprehensive review before you buy. And only buy from a near-by supplier that is willing to take it back if it is faulty, do not buy direct from China because it is unlikely to get your money back, plus the shipping costs and customs would make it uneconomical to return items.
For example, a year ago I bought a Chinese phone, with superb specifications. It seems to have two faults (at least). First, it is very fussy with the SD card, many applications do not work with it and especially GPS Navigation applications that store huge maps on the SD card. Secondly the GPS receiver is either broken or simply very, very bad. My dedicated Garmin GPS, my wife's iPhone4, my son's Samsung S3 : they all lock on to the GPS almost instantly. The Chinese phone needs to be absolutely stand still for like 5-10 minutes before it can lock on. Completely useless in the car for example, I have to stop the car, and then wait 5-10 minutes so it can lock.
Someone said above that high-end Chinese phones and tabs use Qualcomm and Samsung parts and not their own. Well, no **** Sherlock! That qualifies as one of the most idiotic statements I have read. Every single electronic device in the world uses parts made by various/hundreds of other manufacturers. This has always been the case. I would not expect the Pipo M7 Pro to have components made by Pipo - and it does not matter anyway. My Sony VAIO laptop does not use a "SONY" CPU, or chipset, or GPU, or memory, or capacitors, or resistors, actually I doubt that a single component inside my laptop is actually made by Sony, except perhaps the badge!!!

I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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RKight said:
I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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Here's a problem for those with N7 Pro : the speakers crackle at high volume.

Do not buy M7 Pro
OK I guess finally I may have something to help after getting so many helps from this nice forum.
I live in China and I'd say I'm quite familiar with Chinese tablets and nexus devices. (proud owner of both types) I've yet to find a Chinese native brand tablet that marches either Nexus 7's build quality or OS stability. (always search for teardown pics before decision) Usually they have small problems here or there, but you don't have a bug list and workaround thread in a good forum simply because they don't have enough users.
There are worth buying Chinese tablets though. They are usually much cheaper than Nexus 7, don't have fatal problems, have good user base and forums to post workarounds of those small issues, and recently they start to come in so many varieties of screen size. (there used to be a time when they are mainly 7" widescreen, before the mighty Nexus 7's arrival.)
IMHO if you prefer 7" tablet, just grab the new Nexus 7. If not, don't buy M7 Pro for the following reasons:
1 Rockchip is not as friendly to devs as its rival SoC company Allwinner. I can find unofficial CM10.2 on AllWinner platform but I find almost nothing on Rockchip;
2 RK3188 seems strong, but in practice it's not a good chip for HD "Retina" display due to poor design choice of a single channel 32bit memory controller, which results a memory bandwidth that nearly kills GPU performance. BTW that's just a fraction of bandwidth compared to the new Nexus 7. I heard the GPU performance is so poor that even stock launcher can't go butterly smooth.
However RK3188 + a 1024*768 display is fine.
Summary: don't buy RK3188+HD display like the M7 Pro; strongly recommend new Nexus 7
correction: No Chinese SoC performs well on 1080p display. I'd guess 720p is the limit.
Hope it helps

Nexus 6 and Android 5.0 Lollipop finally revealed. Will be available on Sprint.

Google Nexus 6 Reveal Page
Android 5.0 Lollipop
According to the nexus 6 page on the very bottom it seems that it will be available on all 4 big carriers, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, and T-mobile. Ofc; you can still get it from the Play store. The release date given by google is late october; no specification as to if it applies to just the play store or the carriers as well. I'm hoping it releases late this October because I get my upgrade late November. If I have to I will probably wait, I'm sure many of our dev's here will successfully port Android 5.0 to our devices. I'm more interested in the full release of the OS; the multitasking features and the uniform material design looks so nice.
So, thoughts? Is android 5.0 everything you have hoped for? Will you be upgrading to a Nexus 6 soon?
I somehow managed to delete my opinion on the the device, I'm loving the specs; the 6" screen is pushing me away though.
When I say I plan on upgrading to the Nexus 6 I'm not 100% set on it yet. I was planning on going with the HTC One M8 simply because of the screen size, but I have used a LG G3 in stores before and I love how amazing the screen is so I'm very torn. The LG OG was such a great device for it's time, shame it never got an official update past 4.1 but it's hard to complain with all the dev support we get with it.

I might go for it but I'm still hating Google's propensity to think that cloud storage can replace the function of a microsd slot. Also a 6-inch screen, why? The phone still has to fit in my pocket. At this rate the number of people on these forums with manbags is going to blow up. Also $649 unlocked... ouch. I honestly don't know what Google was thinking here. They might be pushing their luck a little too hard here but I won't really know until I can hold it in my hand. On paper the size of the LG G3 used to sound like an atrocity so we'll see. Regardless the price isn't much of an issue if you pay it out over the length of a contract anyways but honestly, I'm disappointed.

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I might go for it but I'm still hating Google's propensity to think that cloud storage can replace the function of a microsd slot. Also a 6-inch screen, why? The phone still has to fit in my pocket. At this rate the number of people on these forums with manbags is going to blow up. Also $649 unlocked... ouch. I honestly don't know what Google was thinking here. They might be pushing their luck a little too hard here but I won't really know until I can hold it in my hand. On paper the size of the LG G3 used to sound like an atrocity so we'll see. Regardless the price isn't much of an issue if you pay it out over the length of a contract anyways but honestly, I'm disappointed.
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I mean, when you look at the specs, that's when you realize what all that money is really going to.

I just want the finished Android L roms to get ported to the LGOG. As long as i'm up to date and the roms arent too buggy, I can stick with my LGOG for another year if I have to.

We'll definitely get some L ROMs sooner or later. We have some amazing developers here for our phone, so be sure that once the major ROM devs update their sources, we'll get updated as well.

I think since the 6 is WAY too big for my personal use, I'm gonna jump to the Nexus 5 next.
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When I say I plan on upgrading to the Nexus 6 I'm not 100% set on it yet. I was planning on going with the HTC One M8 simply because of the screen size, but I have used a LG G3 in stores before and I love how amazing the screen is so I'm very torn. The LG OG was such a great device for it's time, shame it never got an official update past 4.1 but it's hard to complain with all the dev support we get with it.
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I have the G3 now and I love it. Battery life has been better for me than on the lgog, even with that amazing screen. The major downside to the G3 is development but we finally received twrp so the roms will be coming. But having root, freezing/deleting bloat(and there is a lot of it) and making mods have helped my g3 be lag free, last over 40 hours on a full charge and just be generally awesome. If you want something that is also awesome but has a ton of development - go with the m8. A lot of devs and themers who had lgogs grabbed the m8 so you will be in good company. Only a few of us from here have the G3 but Im happy with my choice. It's big but not unruly, the new nexus looks good but too big and still no sd card. And if 3000mah battery isnt big enough for you, zerolemon is selling a 9000mah battery you can swap right in. Just my two cents.
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I mean, when you look at the specs, that's when you realize what all that money is really going to.
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First off, how ya been buddy? Secondly - the nexus 6 looks great but I'm a little disappointed in a few things, size being one of em, still no sdcard and still not 64bit. The rumors made me have higher hopes - its still gonna be a great phone with an insane amount of support. I have no use for it but I am really impressed by the nexus 9(my nexus 7 is collecting dust). That processor, even being a dual core and only having 2 gb of ram is crazy fast, and it's 64bit!

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I have the G3 now and I love it. Battery life has been better for me than on the lgog, even with that amazing screen. The major downside to the G3 is development but we finally received twrp so the roms will be coming. But having root, freezing/deleting bloat(and there is a lot of it) and making mods have helped my g3 be lag free, last over 40 hours on a full charge and just be generally awesome. If you want something that is also awesome but has a ton of development - go with the m8. A lot of devs and themers who had lgogs grabbed the m8 so you will be in good company. Only a few of us from here have the G3 but Im happy with my choice. It's big but not unruly, the new nexus looks good but too big and still no sd card. And if 3000mah battery isnt big enough for you, zerolemon is selling a 9000mah battery you can swap right in. Just my two cents.
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First off, how ya been buddy? Secondly - the nexus 6 looks great but I'm a little disappointed in a few things, size being one of em, still no sdcard and still not 64bit. The rumors made me have higher hopes - its still gonna be a great phone with an insane amount of support. I have no use for it but I am really impressed by the nexus 9(my nexus 7 is collecting dust). That processor, even being a dual core and only having 2 gb of ram is crazy fast, and it's 64bit!
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I've been good man, how have you been? Glad to see you around these parts one more time
For me, I'm drawn to the N6 because I know it'll drop down to a decent price by time my upgrade is due (which would be summer of 2015), and, assuming I even get it, it'd be the most high-end phone I've ever owned, plus it's a Nexus, so development is guaranteed. I'm just modest If I were to get a G2, I'd be pretty happy with that.

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I've been good man, how have you been? Glad to see you around these parts one more time
For me, I'm drawn to the N6 because I know it'll drop down to a decent price by time my upgrade is due (which would be summer of 2015), and, assuming I even get it, it'd be the most high-end phone I've ever owned, plus it's a Nexus, so development is guaranteed. I'm just modest If I were to get a G2, I'd be pretty happy with that.
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Ha ha yeah I was checking on one of my bootanimations and saw this thread. Im good, biked more than I ever have so Im really sore but other than that Im good.
Nexus devices definitely have the best support but HTC is pretty solid(as is Sony, sadly we can't get xperia on sprint) and they come with other perks(removable storage, etc). I know HTC will be releasing another flagship(from some rumors, 2) before you're due for your upgrade and I have a feeling it will be better(and smaller) than the nexus 6. Biggest drawback to the HTC flagships seems to be the camera but that's also been an issue on Nexus devices. Nexus devices are still a great way to go. Their biggest selling point is having official updates before anyone else. My nexus 7 is solid, but between my phone and laptop I just dont have a need for a tablet. I wanted to hold out for the nexus 6 myself but now Im glad I didn't. Just too big for me and LG fixed my biggest issue with the lgog - sdcard support.
They're all great phones with pros and cons tho - really does depend on the user.

[Q] Asus zenfone 2 vs One plus one

as we all know one plus one is the flagship killer of 2014....
i am so much confused between opo & zenfone 2...
i wanted to purchase asus zenfone 2 but i dont think there will be much development for this device....
if i buy one plus one there are so many cyanogen mod themes....
but one plus one has many problems too... while there are very less chance to get any cm rom on asus device....
zenfone 2 offers better specs but one plus one supports more development
please help me which one should i buy one plus one or asus zenfone 2..???

Mike Stark said:
as we all know one plus one is the flagship killer of 2015....
i am so much confused between opo & zenfone 2...
i wanted to purchase asus zenfone 2 but i dont think there will be much development for this device....
if i buy one plus one there are so many cyanogen mod themes....
but one plus one has many problems too... while there are very less chance to get any cm rom on asus device....
zenfone 2 offers better specs but one plus one supports more development
please help me which one should i buy one plus one or asus zenfone 2..???
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You should wait to see the official price of zenfone and compare the cost/benefit.

Mrcl1450 said:
You should wait to see the official price of zenfone and compare the cost/benefit.
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Sure will wait till march but i really like cyanogen mod...
looking to the people response i dont think asus will support more development...

Mike Stark said:
Sure will wait till march but i really like cyanogen mod...
looking to the people response i dont think asus will support more development...
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I'm almost sure the zenfone 2 will be a popular phone and popular phones always have a good community so the chances of zenfone get cm are high. But we have to wait to see

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I'm almost sure the zenfone 2 will be a popular phone and popular phones always have a good community so the chances of zenfone get cm are high. But we have to wait to see
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hoping for best...
wish someone will port cm12 for zenfone 2 in future...

Went for the OnePlus One
Since the latest information regarding the Zenfone 2 was suggesting the $199 price tag would be for the 5" 720p device, I decided to order the OnePlus One instead.
It might be that the the 5.5" 1080p model ends up costing $199, but in Belgium (where I live), I suspected it will be more expensive.
The OnePlus one has been out for quite a while now, reviews are super positive. A LOT of development is going on for it, whereas the Zenfone 2 will be brand new in March (?), no reviews at all exist about this phone (will it be any good?) and development will start slow.
Also (correct me if I'm wrong), it would take some work to port CM to the Intel x86 platform whereas the OPO runs CM natively.
I ended up paying $356 for the OPO incl shipping, which seems reasonable. If the Zenfone 2 5.5" 1080p edition with 2GB of ram ends up costing $199, it would be a super deal, but I doubt it...

Rubberducky said:
Since the latest information regarding the Zenfone 2 was suggesting the $199 price tag would be for the 5" 720p device, I decided to order the OnePlus One instead.
It might be that the the 5.5" 1080p model ends up costing $199, but in Belgium (where I live), I suspected it will be more expensive.
The OnePlus one has been out for quite a while now, reviews are super positive. A LOT of development is going on for it, whereas the Zenfone 2 will be brand new in March (?), no reviews at all exist about this phone (will it be any good?) and development will start slow.
Also (correct me if I'm wrong), it would take some work to port CM to the Intel x86 platform whereas the OPO runs CM natively.
I ended up paying $356 for the OPO incl shipping, which seems reasonable. If the Zenfone 2 5.5" 1080p edition with 2GB of ram ends up costing $199, it would be a super deal, but I doubt it...
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i totally agree with you most of the device running cyanogenMod have snapdragon or any other chipset....
but i have recently heard that cyanogen is not supporting opo anymore and they are working on their own os namely oxygen os.....
but if we look at the price point i think 4gb version of zenfone 2 will be available at 350$ or may be less than that...
well it can't predicted which device is much better...
well i will wait one week after the release of zenfone 2 and wait for the review of other people ...
hoping for good....
and about development i think xda have amazing devs i think anyone of the developer will definitely help asus users to get cm....

Mike Stark said:
i totally agree with you most of the device running cyanogenMod have snapdragon or any other chipset....
but i have recently heard that cyanogen is not supporting opo anymore and they are working on their own os namely oxygen os.....
but if we look at the price point i think 4gb version of zenfone 2 will be available at 350$ or may be less than that...
well it can't predicted which device is much better...
well i will wait one week after the release of zenfone 2 and wait for the review of other people ...
hoping for good....
and about development i think xda have amazing devs i think anyone of the developer will definitely help asus users to get cm....
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True. Another reason for buying the OPO now is that I really needed another phone as my current one is just too slow for daily use now. If I had time I probably would wait for the Zenfone 2 to come out, wait for reviews/opinions. If you have lots of time to wait, you can wait for the OnePlus 2 (Q3 I think) too.

Rubberducky said:
True. Another reason for buying the OPO now is that I really needed another phone as my current one is just too slow for daily use now. If I had time I probably would wait for the Zenfone 2 to come out, wait for reviews/opinions. If you have lots of time to wait, you can wait for the OnePlus 2 (Q3 I think) too.
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No man one plus 2 is too far....
i need to buy a new device by march if asus doesnt come up with good reviews than m definitely going to buy one plus one....

Mike Stark said:
No man one plus 2 is too far....
i need to buy a new device by march if asus doesnt come up with good reviews than m definitely going to buy one plus one....
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You will regret the OPO if you are even a minor perfectionist, and the display quality is important to you. I went through 5 of them because I wanted to love it, but all 5 had terrible yellowish bottoms of the screen.

blyndfyre said:
You will regret the OPO if you are even a minor perfectionist, and the display quality is important to you. I went through 5 of them because I wanted to love it, but all 5 had terrible yellowish bottoms of the screen.
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Did you get the yellow bands immediately? I have had the OPO for a few days now, it is a super phone! No yellow bands (yet?).

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Did you get the yellow bands immediately? I have had the OPO for a few days now, it is a super phone! No yellow bands (yet?).
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Yes, on all 5, and some worse than others. Maybe it has something to do with my retina cones!!
Are you using the on screen navigation keys? If so it makes it much less noticeable. Try turning them off, and brightness up and use hangouts or an app with a white background. Or better yet, don't even look for it and it will never bother you.

I was almost set on a OnePlus One, but I spent the day reading about the Zenfone 2, and now I'm quite intrigued by it. I have a few questions that I hope I can receive some advice on.
1. Purely in terms of performance, how does this particular Intel chip fare against the Snapdragon 801 in the OnePlus One?
2. I keep reading comments about supposed poor battery life on Intel Atom processors, compared to the Snapdragons. Are there any concrete facts concerning this? Or is it just generally assumed that the Intel Atoms translate to poor battery life?
3. I'm concerned about the aspect of software updates and custom ROMs for the Zenfone 2. Asus apparently aren't particularly quick with OS updates, and I'm worried that the Zenfone might end up not receiving as many as something like the OnePlus One. I'd also want the option to try an alternative ROM or two, say CM, in the event I don't like Asus' factory ROM (a lot of people don't seem to like it). Do you guys think the Zenfone 2 will be restricted in that sense, being an Intel architecture as opposed to ARM?

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Yes, on all 5, and some worse than others. Maybe it has something to do with my retina cones!!
Are you using the on screen navigation keys? If so it makes it much less noticeable. Try turning them off, and brightness up and use hangouts or an app with a white background. Or better yet, don't even look for it and it will never bother you.
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I don't have any problems yet (no on screen buttons). So maybe they fixed it in the newer phones? Lets hope it won't come later.

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I don't have any problems yet (no on screen buttons). So maybe they fixed it in the newer phones? Lets hope it won't come later.
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I doubt it will present itself later, you should be fine.

DanielKennethRego said:
I was almost set on a OnePlus One, but I spent the day reading about the Zenfone 2, and now I'm quite intrigued by it. I have a few questions that I hope I can receive some advice on.
1. Purely in terms of performance, how does this particular Intel chip fare against the Snapdragon 801 in the OnePlus One?
2. I keep reading comments about supposed poor battery life on Intel Atom processors, compared to the Snapdragons. Are there any concrete facts concerning this? Or is it just generally assumed that the Intel Atoms translate to poor battery life?
3. I'm concerned about the aspect of software updates and custom ROMs for the Zenfone 2. Asus apparently aren't particularly quick with OS updates, and I'm worried that the Zenfone might end up not receiving as many as something like the OnePlus One. I'd also want the option to try an alternative ROM or two, say CM, in the event I don't like Asus' factory ROM (a lot of people don't seem to like it). Do you guys think the Zenfone 2 will be restricted in that sense, being an Intel architecture as opposed to ARM?
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Moorefield in the Zenfone 2 smokes the 801 and is more on par with 805. Battery shouldn't be an issue as the new Intel processors are built on 22nm FinFET vs the older 32nm planar. FinFET is what Samsung and TSMC are supposedly releasing this year with the new Samsung Exynos built on what is equivalent to 20 nm FinFET but they are calling 14nm. Anything that reads z2xxx are the older processors which I don't even know why Asus is using. The new processors are z3xxx model numbers. I had a Dell Venue 8 pro with the new Intel chip running full windows and the battery life was comparable to my iPad Air except it ran full windows

Actually it is Intel vs Snapdragon
And Dude go for OnePlus One!
Awesome phone and best specs for this price!Overall nice phone with great features.
Using ONE since 6 Months No issues Whatsoever! :thumbup:
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@OP ask me anything everything about OnePlus One!
I'll answer any question!

I think of buying an oneplus one, but I'm concerned about some touchscreen issues that some people had.
Does anyone know if these issues have been fixed?

In my opinion, one plus is the best choice. He is good looking. He is not strong but he is famous.
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SuperMan(Alex) said:
Actually it is Intel vs Snapdragon
And Dude go for OnePlus One!
Awesome phone and best specs for this price!Overall nice phone with great features.
Using ONE since 6 Months No issues Whatsoever! :thumbup:
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@OP ask me anything everything about OnePlus One!
I'll answer any question!
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many people are telling that they are facing yellow tint,touch and heating issues while playing games...
is that true..???

Is OnePlus one old enough to upgrade to Oneplus three ?

Is it worth it ?
what about custom roms ?

Customs will be, for now I'm not planning to change my opo to newest op3 because it works well and have good support in custom roms, if i damage it or smthing then only one option nothing more- op3

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Is it worth it ?
what about custom roms ?
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Grab this oneplus 3 for the specs and build quality. Im still using oneplus one

I think I will also move to the 3 from the 1.
I hope it has good development like the 1.

My opo is 1.5 yr old. Still in mint condition but I might update to op3 in 3 months or so.

Tiz92 said:
I think I will also move to the 3 from the 1.
I hope it has good development like the 1.
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since they released source code, i hope that development will be on par with 1+1, maybe better
since the device has great stable ground in terms of specs for development

Oneplus one uses a snapdragon 801 and three uses 820
There's generations of difference in processor and processing power, if it doesn't matter then you can choose the OPO but others than SD801 might fare better

It's all about you OnePlus 1 will be used for long time , since has a development comparable to nexus. But OP3 is a pretty nice upgrade. Maybe wait for some users experiences..

Had my oneplus one for 2 years now and just wanted an upgrade. Was going to wait for the next Nexus but I just couldn't resist. Impressed that oneplus have released source code already and with the price I expect many developers will pick one up.

It's up to you. Oneplus One i still very fast device, 3 GB RAM is more than you need in clear android. You can upgrade if you really need better camera, i dont see other reason to "upgrade".

I'm very happy with my opo.. It has a few scrtaches and such but it handles everything I throw at him with a glance and also development is still great. I'll buy a new phone only when development for opo suddenly stops, my battery will die or I'll brake it. Only weakness is the camera in my mind because I have some dust on the lens and it doesnť perform very well anymore.

This is a question only one person can answer. Yourself. Every one had different reasons why they would consider an upgrade. It is very hard to upgrade from the opo. I'm keeping mine as a spare, but I want to get onboard the 64 bit train, and the op3 is the way to do it. Leaps and bounds a much better upgrade than the op2. I couldn't justify that purchase, but for this one, it was an easy choice.
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Nope, unless you`re OPO doesn`t have NFC, the SD820 cpu or a fingerprint scanner just to name some upgrades

I still use and love my OPO, but it is time for me... OP3 is on the way!

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since they released source code, i hope that development will be on par with 1+1, maybe better
since the device has great stable ground in terms of specs for development
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In fact, 2 ROM are out for it already. This will be a very popular phone like the OPO, I think.
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I'm very happy with my opo.. It has a few scrtaches and such but it handles everything I throw at him with a glance and also development is still great. I'll buy a new phone only when development for opo suddenly stops, my battery will die or I'll brake it. Only weakness is the camera in my mind because I have some dust on the lens and it doesnť perform very well anymore.
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If you are waiting for the development to stop on the OPO, then you will wait for many years, I believe. OPO is as popular as the nexus series in the development world. From the number of custom ROMS available for the OPO, I believe at least 2 ROM will be available for at least 3 more years.

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In fact, 2 ROM are out for it already. This will be a very popular phone like the OPO, I think.
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If you are waiting for the development to stop on the OPO, then you will wait for many years, I believe. OPO is as popular as the nexus series in the development world. From the number of custom ROMS available for the OPO, I believe at least 2 ROM will be available for at least 3 more years.
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totally agree. Since oneplus released their source codes op3 will be next nexus either much like op1. As for opo there never be a phone like it. It has three official roms (CM, OOS and ColorOS) and many more unofficial including ubuntu, jolla and I surely forget many more.
I gues I'll just wait couple of months to see how op3 stands and to see what next nexus will bring on the table. anyway buying one of those couldn't be a mistake..:good:

Still using opo 64gb sandstone now.
I know your guys love or this amazing devices. Op2,s6 ,Note 5. S7e, even nexus 6p, bought then sold. I really love this handset. it have nothing cool hardware nowaday. But the fun i had with custom roms, tweaks is limitless.
My op3 will arrived next week. Hope it could suprise me.