Pros and cons of updating to KitKat - T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S 4

I am quite happily using 4.2.2 (stock rooted) and just saw there is an official update for the TMo SGS4 to KitKat.
I have read about some issues with updating to KitKat (Knox etc) and wondered what others on this forum think...is it better to stay with 4.2.2 or go to KitKat?
Any helpful suggestions of the pros and cons would be appreciated.

I updated my baseband and then installed Fenny's "stock" KitKat ROM and I will never look back. It looks nicer, seems to operate more smoothly and gets a better signal in a lot of the areas I spend my time in. I'd never go without root, but it's worth the jump to a Knox-free version if you ask me.
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If you value using your sd card as storage or you use Root Explorer or Titanium Backup don't do it. Google, Android and Samsung have conspired to make the sd card usable for pictures and music storage almost exclusively. Kit Kat just made my 64gb card unusable. So be aware.It is a known issue.

grncherry said:
If you value using your sd card as storage or you use Root Explorer or Titanium Backup don't do it. Google, Android and Samsung have conspired to make the sd card usable for pictures and music storage almost exclusively. Kit Kat just made my 64gb card unusable. So be aware.It is a known issue.
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That's gotta be a kernel issue. I'm using warp drive 4.4.2 and restored my tibu backup and installed various apks I have stored on my external sd just like every other android version. Solid explorer also had full read/write access to everywhere I've ever needed it, be it the root directory, internal or external storage.
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I wasn't impressed with KK on my Nexus 4 so I still have 4.2.2 on my S4 too. I agree that a Knox-free upgrade to the radio can be good but have been too busy playing with Ubuntu Touch to make any changes on my daily driver.
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I have to say I also would be interested in some second opinions. Not for myself but worse. It's my wife GS4...:what:
I am kinda the maintainer of devices around the house. Presently I own an LG G2 but on my phone when the KitKat update hit it was craziness (as it always is) for about a week. People couldn't root, couldn't unlock, etc. I can't run the risk of F'ing up my wife's phone for an update and spending two days on a work around. I like the idea of doing what I did which is just installing TWRP (I think she has stock recovery I forget) and then simply flashing a stock, rooted, rom. I can then use Xposed to doctor up anything to else. So
# 1 is this a viable option? Could you hook a guy in with a link or two? (sorry to be that guy don't feel bad if you don't I can read lol)
# 2 is it even worth it? Are there camera improvements or features? Battery life improvements? Etc. I do like the app ops feature of KitKat. She doesn't have that presently.
Thanks for any help or suggestions.
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grncherry said:
If you value using your sd card as storage or you use Root Explorer or Titanium Backup don't do it. Google, Android and Samsung have conspired to make the sd card usable for pictures and music storage almost exclusively. Kit Kat just made my 64gb card unusable. So be aware.It is a known issue.
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If you are rooted, you can change 1 setting and make the SD card work like it did in Jellybean.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2684188
There is even a free app that will change the setting for you.

jcnbama said:
I have to say I also would be interested in some second opinions. Not for myself but worse. It's my wife GS4...:what:
I am kinda the maintainer of devices around the house. Presently I own an LG G2 but on my phone when the KitKat update hit it was craziness (as it always is) for about a week. People couldn't root, couldn't unlock, etc. I can't run the risk of F'ing up my wife's phone for an update and spending two days on a work around. I like the idea of doing what I did which is just installing TWRP (I think she has stock recovery I forget) and then simply flashing a stock, rooted, rom. I can then use Xposed to doctor up anything to else. So
# 1 is this a viable option? Could you hook a guy in with a link or two? (sorry to be that guy don't feel bad if you don't I can read lol)
# 2 is it even worth it? Are there camera improvements or features? Battery life improvements? Etc. I do like the app ops feature of KitKat. She doesn't have that presently.
Thanks for any help or suggestions.
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what version of Android is on your wife's stock GS4?

HKSpeed said:
what version of Android is on your wife's stock GS4?
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She is on 4.2.2 currently.

jcnbama said:
She is on 4.2.2 currently.
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Root with this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2294005
Flash updated modem (optional but better signal) with this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2678774
Stock rooted S4 4.4.2 ROM (I haven't tried this ROM): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2679913

HKSpeed said:
Root with this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2294005
Flash updated modem (optional but better signal) with this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2678774
Stock rooted S4 4.4.2 ROM (I haven't tried this ROM): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2679913
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Updating the modem to NB4 while on JB before flashing kit kat has been giving better results in going from JB to kit kat and not experiencing Odin or recovery hangups.
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[Q] Internal Storage writing error [SOLVED]

Hi
I've posted a few threads relating to my issue, and I keep thinking it is solved, but the issue still lingers for me. The previous posts are here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1791701
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1808195
My current issue is having a few apps write to storage. The 3 apps that are most obvious are:
Dropbox - when exporting a file, it says 'error exporting file'
Beautiful widgets - I download a skin, but it doesn't show up in the downloaded files list.
Sixaxis - I made a custom controller profile, and hit save, but it doesn't save. The folder to put downloaded profiles doesn't seem to exist.
I'm pretty sure this issue started when I used the Gnex toolkit to backup and restore when I was updating from Android 4.0.3 to 4.1.
If I knew it would help, I would go so far as to restore back to 4.0.3, and factory reset,
Anyone offer any insight into this?
Thanks
So you probably already checked this, but I remember having this problem when my sd was full...
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RSenG2x said:
So you probably already checked this, but I remember having this problem when my sd was full...
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Yep, still have about 5 GB free
So just to clarify, have you changed anything with your phone such as flashing a rom, rooting, or a custom kernel?
If so you might want go back to stock and see if that fixes it.
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RSenG2x said:
So just to clarify, have you changed anything with your phone such as flashing a rom, rooting, or a custom kernel?
If so you might want go back to stock and see if that fixes it.
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Yeah.
My carrier was being really slow about releasing Jelly Bean, so I rooted, and installed it myself.
It was "bigxie_JRN84D_rooted_busybox_deodexed" for 4.1 and
Maguro_JZO54K_Deodexed_Rooted_FactoryImage_teshxx for 4.1.2
Both just zipped version of the factory image. I didn't change the Kernel beyond that.
My carrier has now released the most current version now, so I could return to stock, then root again.
Sounds like a good idea, and if you're looking for a good Rom,I would suggest minco, it's as stable as stock and a whole lot faster with better battery life.
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Think I got it solved.
Previously I was doing a factory reset on the phone, so it was restoring the same ROM.
Today I used the Gnex toolkit, and flashed the stock rom from google, and re-rooted. That seems to have worked. I can export files from Dropbox no problem now.
Glad to hear it
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[Q] Need help since I'm new to Sammy

Earlier this week my Sensation 4g died. I bought a Note 2. Little did I know that there were issues with it that I and others have with it, ie: no easy immediate way to do app to sd for instance. Another thing I wanted was to be able to add or take away data from installed apps by connecting the phone to a computer via usb and accessing the files that way, which again doesn't happen without some work.
Since then I have rooted the phone (according to the download mode screen, which says: current binary and system status is custom.
I have left everything stock except for the rooting part and installed Superuser and SuperSU and then tried to run Titanium Backup (free) when it said 'could not access root using \something\something\su command".
I have tried several other apps and methods of trying to do what I want (from the first paragraph) but none have succeeded either due lack of documentation (and I didn't know how to do a certain step or fix something) or it just didn't work.
So where am I at now? I have factory reset my phone and am now honestly not sure where to go or what to do from here. I've Googled and Googled but nothing quite seems to be able to fix what I need and if it does then it has the lack of documentation and can't help me.
Any thoughts or guides or something that anyone could post/link to? Thanks.
I believe this lets you save to SD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1960935
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funziebear said:
I believe this lets you save to SD
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1960935
[Kernel][Jan 31] Perseus
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If I'm not mistaken but kernels don't deal with being able to save apps to sd. I could be wrong since I don't dabble in android dev. Thanks though.
We need background... 1st of all...
What way did you use to root (Cf_auto_root, Stock-root injected, etc)?
Does your phone still have exynos_exploit or did your phone come with that "OTA Update" pre installed?
What SD card are you using?
What rom/kernal are you trying to run?
Most of the time, in this particular forum, its seems best to just ask what your trying to accomplish within the various rom/kernal thread...
Like lets say im on Stick injected rom/kernal without extsd2internalsd (apps2sd) setup and lets say I want to go to Jedi Master 9.... I would then go to Jedi Master 9 thread and ask for help on how to effectively apply that rom with ExtSd2internalsd support from my current setup, and wait for the OP or seniors to reply... also while "patiently waiting" I would read/search through the hundreds of pages looking for answers/insights to my particular process... if needed might go to my own root process thread and ask for advice on how to get to jedi master 9
Id be more than willing to help you here but need some background on your phones current status and end rom/kernal to provide an answer (to be sure I dont lead you awry
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PhxDroid86 said:
We need background... 1st of all...
What way did you use to root (Cf_auto_root, Stock-root injected, etc)?
Does your phone still have exynos_exploit or did your phone come with that "OTA Update" pre installed?
What SD card are you using?
What rom/kernal are you trying to run?
Most of the time, in this particular forum, its seems best to just ask what your trying to accomplish within the various rom/kernal thread...
Like lets say im on Stick injected rom/kernal without extsd2internalsd (apps2sd) setup and lets say I want to go to Jedi Master 9.... I would then go to Jedi Master 9 thread and ask for help on how to effectively apply that rom with ExtSd2internalsd support from my current setup, and wait for the OP or seniors to reply... also while "patiently waiting" I would read/search through the hundreds of pages looking for answers/insights to my particular process... if needed might go to my own root process thread and ask for advice on how to get to jedi master 9
Id be more than willing to help you here but need some background on your phones current status and end rom/kernal to provide an answer (to be sure I dont lead you awry
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Thanks. I did answer that I am running everything stock at the moment, just rooted, no kernel or rom. I have an 8gb class 4 microsd card. My root method was cf auto root. I also stated what I was hoping to achieve also (in my first paragraph). Hopefully this helps.
Oh, if possible I'd like the easiest way to remove or disable system apps like chat on or some of the tmobile stuff. I tried a couple different methods with that too but couldn't quite get it all to work.
I tried the qtadb app but couldn't get my device to be seen by the program on the computer and i tried that app because I had no idea where to start with regular adb, its been a long time since i've done any of this stuff.
To remove or disable system apps I use root uninstaller, sometimes it won't delete system apps on the first try just exit the app go back and do it again second attemt will do, for your data problem I'll try root browser or root Explorer
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To remove or disable system apps I use root uninstaller, sometimes it won't delete system apps on the first try just exit the app go back and do it again second attemt will do, for your data problem I'll try root browser or root Explorer
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Hmm ok thanks. I'll try those out when I get a chance. Thanks.
I always remove bloatware through Titanium Backup or with a debloated rom
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PhxDroid86 said:
I always remove bloatware through Titanium Backup or with a debloated rom
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Doesn't that just lead back to my first problem of not being able to get Titanium Backup to run on my phone?
Are you sure your rooted (root checker)? I honestly havent heard of anyone else being unable to install rooted apps (unless they werent rooted (those people generally rerooted to solve that issue)
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PhxDroid86 said:
Are you sure your rooted (root checker)? I honestly havent heard of anyone else being unable to install rooted apps (unless they werent rooted (those people generally rerooted to solve that issue)
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Well it turns out you can download and install apps requiring root but they just wont run correctly, if at all. I know because after my factory reset, i downloaded and ran 2 root checker apps, both of which said I no longer have root or something. So now I'm just going through the rooting process again.
Edit: I'm not rooted again, as checked by 2 root confirmation apps. Now to try to get TB running and remove bloatware.
Edit 2: Great success! I got TB to work, bought PRO and have just frozen everything i dont need or dont use.
CTR01 said:
Well it turns out you can download and install apps requiring root but they just wont run correctly, if at all. I know because after my factory reset, i downloaded and ran 2 root checker apps, both of which said I no longer have root or something. So now I'm just going through the rooting process again.
Edit: I'm not rooted again, as checked by 2 root confirmation apps. Now to try to get TB running and remove bloatware.
Edit 2: Great success! I got TB to work, bought PRO and have just frozen everything i dont need or dont use.
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Much easier to use odin from mr robinson. Its already been prerooted
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[Q] Google Play Edition ROM

I've been checking around and I haven't had my question answered. Is there a Google Play Edition 4.3 ROM for the M919 that is strictly stock (what would come if I bought the phone) and that was able to receive OTA updates? I flashed one from galaxys4root.com but I don't know about OTAs on that one and I had horrible battery life.
We will never be able to receive official otas from Google on Google edition roms. Not unless the signing of custom Odin tars becomes possible and we're able to repartition our phone to be exactly like the Google editions. But even then, repartions are extremely risky and have a high chance of bricking.
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TheAtheistOtaku said:
We will never be able to receive official otas from Google on Google edition roms. Not unless the signing of custom Odin tars becomes possible and we're able to repartition our phone to be exactly like the Google editions. But even then, repartions are extremely risky and have a high chance of bricking.
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Thanks, I'll stick to stock then as I hate losing my data after each upgrade, unless there's a ROM you recommend? (That would let me update without deleting data).
nivekx9 said:
Thanks, I'll stick to stock then as I hate losing my data after each upgrade, unless there's a ROM you recommend? (That would let me update without deleting data).
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If you don't want to lose any data, you should nandroid and try any touch wiz based ROM.
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nivekx9 said:
Thanks, I'll stick to stock then as I hate losing my data after each upgrade, unless there's a ROM you recommend? (That would let me update without deleting data).
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Don't you use titanium backup??
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marcoxx626 said:
Don't you use titanium backup??
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It doesn't work with 4.3.
nivekx9 said:
It doesn't work with 4.3.
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I beg to differ. If your TiBu folder is on your external card, you have to go to preferences->set backup folder. Back up to your root directory (or I think you can go in sdcard1 in the previous dir) and select external_sd->TiBu backup folder. Set that as the backup location, back out of it, TiBu will reload the data, then you use it like normal.
lordcheeto03 said:
I beg to differ. If your TiBu folder is on your external card, you have to go to preferences->set backup folder. Back up to your root directory (or I think you can go in sdcard1 in the previous dir) and select external_sd->TiBu backup folder. Set that as the backup location, back out of it, TiBu will reload the data, then you use it like normal.
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Thank you

External SD Card limitations of TW KitKat

The other threads cover the installation and issues with respect to it and other general discussion, but I am most concerned with this one issue. The limitations on using the External SD card and the ability or inability of developers to work around it could determine if it is worthwhile to update or not with the official based firmware.
An example is currently being able to have large (almost 2 gb) GPS map files relocated from internal SD to external SD with build prop changes - will that even be possible with official KitKat?
I would like to see users post their results in this area alone here, Otherwise they will be spread all over the other threads. I have not flashed it yet due to installation issues, but when they are sorted out, this one problem are may still make it not worth the effort.
Update - it looks like there may be an easy fix:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2607215
If that does not work as-is on M919 - probably will be one soon that does.
If you edit platform.xml per this post it'll fix Titanium Backup (and I suspect any other program which has issues writing to the extSD):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2617921
I prefer to edit the files when I can as it helps me learn a little about Android, I can be certain of what's happening and I can revert by removing the edits or restoring a backup of the file.
ronin4740 said:
If you edit platform.xml per this post it'll fix Titanium Backup (and I suspect any other program which has issues writing to the extSD):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2617921
I prefer to edit the files when I can as it helps me learn a little about Android, I can be certain of what's happening and I can revert by removing the edits or restoring a backup of the file.
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Thanks - looks the same as option two in my link above.
Makes me wonder if it is that easy, what ll the fuss is all about (references to a major developer organizing a majot campaign to blast Google, etc.)
Again - as US TMo users get the new OTA going - please post your experiences with respect to the external SD.
Here's an example of why this is a pain. I'm on the new 4.4.2 TW build and I have uTorrent installed. Before any downloads would go to my 64gb ultra microSDXC card. It was perfect since I have ample space. Now, I'm no longer allowed to save to extSDCard and every new download gets an error. The fix was setting the download location to the download folder on the internal storage, which Kit Katy now recognizes as External primary. It doesn't say it but the coding dictates that no app can write to the secondary external data source (your microsd) outside of the folder it created during install. This means you get app updates and IAP and that's pretty much it as far as SD cards are concerned.
Now my torrents go to my internal storage which only has about 2gbs left instead of my 64gb with 17gb free. Why don't I just use a file manager to move the files you ask? Because they cannot write to external storage as mentioned before. Really not getting the logic here Google.
SGH-M919 4.4.2 Kit Kat TW Stock
OTA FNB4 Rooted
CWM 6.0.4.7 Touch
XPosed Framework & Modules
Is that why my phone is acting weird???
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There's an app to fix this. Fixed tibu for me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=51217258
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Don't want to root yet.
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This issue has been helped but not entirely fixed with the preceding fixes. However, working pretty good now overall. Was able to switch download folder from internal to ExtSD in some apps (like Browser) but not in XDA app and torrent initially..
However, was able to move download folders and files over from internal to ExtSD OK.
Also, changed permissions on Browser, rebooted, and then was able to change download folder to externalSD. Ditto for uTorrent - downloading to ExtSD now also.
gaww said:
This issue has been helped but not entirely fixed with the preceding fixes. However, working pretty good now overall. Was able to switch download folder from internal to ExtSD in some apps (like Browser) but not in XDA app and torrent initially..
However, was able to move download folders and files over from internal to ExtSD OK.
Also, changed permissions on Browser, rebooted, and then was able to change download folder to externalSD. Ditto for uTorrent - downloading to ExtSD now also.
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So no way to fix without root???
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KRAZYADROIDMASTER said:
So no way to fix without root???
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Probably not. You can try to get into a file editor and make the change, but this will most likely require root access.to do so.
I have not bothered to follow the rooting threads, as I only had to root when I first got the phone. so I don't know if there are any that will root without affecting the KNOX counter. If you are not KNOX'd - just root.
gaww said:
Probably not. You can try to get into a file editor and make the change, but this will most likely require root access.to do so.
I have not bothered to follow the rooting threads, as I only had to root when I first got the phone. so I don't know if there are any that will root without affecting the KNOX counter. If you are not KNOX'd - just root.
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It does require Root to change that file.
As far as I know, currently there isn't a way to Root the stock 4.4.2 (NB4) without tripping the Knox flag in the bootloader. The old Saferoot method that worked with the MK2 version doesn't work with NB4.
Rob
Can I say thanks Google and Samsung.
I Say No THANKS
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KRAZYADROIDMASTER said:
Can I say thanks Google and Samsung.
I Say No THANKS
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Mostly Google. They want to push you to their cloud with this, just like their push to get you off using your credit cards on Wallet and to use their otherwise useless "Wallet" on their Wallet apk
Thank Samsung for KNOX though

Sideloading 5.0.2 help

Can someone point me to directions on sideloading 5.0.2 for the Nexus 7 2013 wifi edition?
I'm on 5.0 with root and wanted to take the OTA to 5.0.2 but when I try to install it, the tablet boots into TWRP recovery and I don't know if I can do anything from there.
I tried downloading 5.0.2 from a website and using twrp recovery to flash it, but it failed. Maybe it wasn't for the wifi tablet.
I looked into reinstalling stock recovery but it doesn't seem all that easy.
If someone can even just point me to a thread with some info, that would be great!
Easiest thing to do would be to download this ROM and flash it in recovery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nex.../rom-factory-stock-rooted-rom-lrx22g-t3004110
I was able to get sick recovery back using the nexus root tool kit. I wiped data and cache but I lost everything... Pictures and documents as well as APS. I knew I'd lose apps though.
I did a backup with TB but the backup for wiped out as well. I never change the settings in TB, so the backup was made to the tablet and not the SD card.
I had a few things saved to the SD card and they're gone too. It really sucks that I lost my photos. I didn't have a lot nor anything really important but still. I could never figure out how to get the camera to save photos to the SD card and not internal storage.
Anyway. I gave up for tonight. If I try to take the OTA update, the tablet reboots and I just get the android on his back with the error message. I'm going to try removing root and see if that helps. I'm back to stock otherwise.. Nothing frozen and nothing uninstalled.
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Telyx said:
Easiest thing to do would be to download this ROM and flash it in recovery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nex.../rom-factory-stock-rooted-rom-lrx22g-t3004110
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+1 ^
Telyx said:
Easiest thing to do would be to download this ROM and flash it in recovery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nex.../rom-factory-stock-rooted-rom-lrx22g-t3004110
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I probably will just do that and save myself the headache. Maybe I'll have a chance to get to it next week.
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