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SAR question and new phone search

I've been searching for a phone for my brother and while searching around the net I bumped into the SAR levels information of the Excalibur.
It's definitely high, and I was wondering if that worry any of you and if it should worry me. I pretty much noticed a lot of HTC mobiles SARs are high. Maybe I should get a Bluetooth headset.
My second question concerns buying a new phone. I really like the Excalibur and considering maybe just buying another one but the HTC Juno/Shadow sort of interests me. It's almost the same like the Excalibur but looks cooler and has a 2MP camera. But its SAR is even higher than the Excalibur! What do you think? Should I get another Excalibur or the Shadow?

what is SAR

HnAw said:
what is SAR
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SAR = "Specific absorption rate (SAR) is a measure of the rate at which energy is absorbed by the body when exposed to a radio frequency (RF) electromagnetic field."

Pierrot Lunaire said:
SAR = "Specific absorption rate (SAR) is a measure of the rate at which energy is absorbed by the body when exposed to a radio frequency (RF) electromagnetic field."
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Something alot of us wouldn't put into the equation when buying a phone, can understand why but @ same time i always worry about crossing the road "not just because of them big buses but the Carbon monoxide intake"

In my country you have other issues to worry about LoL...the more your car or bus throws smoke to the air...the coolest
Just for your reference here are more HTC phone SAR levels http://sarvalue.blogspot.com/search/label/HTC. So you can search 3 or 4 phones that can really be "better" than my beloved dash (as a device...and also as far as SAR level I assume).

Yeah i could have used a better comical joke but think if i really wrote about the problems that inflict our health in every day living then i'd need a good page or so

we should quit using them before we die from severe pneumonia.

Are Amazon reviews for real?

Periodically looking at Amazon reviews, which are raving for the most part. Best watch ever created, no problems etc. Given all the problems being bought up here, I have to wonder, are these reviews for real? I had the same experience with some IP security cameras I bought.. all these rave reviews about how great they were, easy to install and set up... No one mentioning the complications and issues of port forwarding needed to access cameras remotely. They were not even close to being easy to set up, even the tech support had trouble getting them set up via remote access. (I actually ended up figuring it out myself after they gave up and said the advanced tech support would call me.) That experience left me wondering if these review are actually legit...

Are they Verified?
swngdncr said:
Periodically looking at Amazon reviews, which are raving for the most part. Best watch ever created, no problems etc. Given all the problems being bought up here, I have to wonder, are these reviews for real? I had the same experience with some IP security cameras I bought.. all these rave reviews about how great they were, easy to install and set up... No one mentioning the complications and issues of port forwarding needed to access cameras remotely. They were not even close to being easy to set up, even the tech support had trouble getting them set up via remote access. (I actually ended up figuring it out myself after they gave up and said the advanced tech support would call me.) That experience left me wondering if these review are actually legit...
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Look for Amazon Verified Purchase. Also, not every one is as tech savvy or as picky as many of the folks here. This is a fine looking watch and functions well as such.
The reddish brown tint is a little annoyance that I would not of even noticed if it was not mentioned here and even after it was it took me a while to make out what they were talking about. I don't think the HRM on any of the devices I have owned is even 75% accurate most of the time and this is not what I would call a sport watch. The black one looks a little more sporty but who wants a metal band on a sport watch?
Most of the time, people that are happy with something will rarely come here unless they are a total tech head. For example, over a million Samsung 6 edge phones were sold and take a look at the forum total for that device and you get the idea that maybe five percent of the people that buy these things ever learns about the device.
So if all you read and believe comes from XDA then you will pass on a lot of devices that actually work well under normal use. Consider the source, I'm keeping my watch because it is a great looking watch and does what I need it to do. It comes with a year warranty so if there is a problem that becomes unbearable, I will exercise that right. Go to you tube and watch the reviews of the watch there and also the V.S. comparisons. You'll find that most of them are positive and everyone agrees that this is the nicest watch they own for style, usability, and functionality. It's whatever your personal experience is and your unique preference that is going to make you love or hate this device.

Well put.
I'm happy with my watch even though it has the red tint. I figure this thing only needs to last maybe two years before it looks like a dinosaur. I don't have all of the problems. I would give it four stars. Five if they fix the red tint and the twist to wake algorithm.
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I have kind of stopped coming here because my experience with the watch has been great. The watch looks great, the screen is great and i have gotten multiple compliments on it. It just doesn't match at all the feedback I get from some users here.
My only complaint would be the low vibration strength. I hear the vibration more than feel it. Most times that isn't a problem, but it can be when I'm wearing headphones. I'm trying to figure out if it's a big enough problem to go in a different direction.
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What @vvveith is saying is mostly true - consider the source. Amazon reaches a very large audience and there's no way to know what level of experience those reviewers are comparing against. But since @swngdncr posted the question here on XDA, you'll get a more scrutinous answer. There are basically two kinds of people who visit XDA: 1. Those with an extreme technical knowledge and expertise and 2. Those who want to chat with/collaborate with/get the opinion of #1. That is the kind of community we have here and it's AWESOME.
A very large percentage of what is posted on these boards have little to no relevance to a very large percentage of the general population. But for those of us who are like-minded, we relish the exchange here. Personally, for me, I feel a little let down by Huawei - not because AUO shipped them a batch of defective displays (issues like these are commonplace for early adopters) but because they refuse to acknowledge the issue or even really communicate with their customers. They have engineered insulation in the form of a 3rd party support staff who runs the US call center and forums and cannot speak "officially" on behalf of Huawei but there is no way to contact Huawei directly.
They are a huge player overseas and with a $400 watch, I expect top quality. Like others have mentioned, other watches use similar technology (LG) and do not have these issues. Considering this is their first major entry into the US market, my view of them is now tarnished and I am concerned around support and quality of the upcoming 6P which previously had no doubt in my mind that it would be my next phone.

Good points from everyone. Yes, Amazon is going to have a much broader audience, but in general, it seems to me that the market for Smart Watches is stronger in those who lean to the techi side of things. I've got a couple of decades on most of the people here, and certainly in my social circle, there are very few, almost none in fact that are interested in SW, and those who are, it's the Apple Watch. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, but I would expect that the market for this watch is going to be more heavily weighted to people with technical inclinations that are less likely to accept the kinds of defects that are being reported here. It would be interesting to know what the return rates at Amazon, Google and BB are, and whether the return rate reflects the reviews. Doesn't seem like Huawei is taking a book from how Fitbit is handling their QC issues with the Surge and the Charge, I've now got two replacement Surges, one because of condensation under the screen, the second because the strap is failing. Fitbit is handing out replacements like candy at Halloween... the didn't even ask for pictures on the strap, or that I return the defective product. They do not want to get a bad rap.
I am certainly in the number 2 group of XDA participants Wyld describes... I have technical inclinations, but didn't grow up with tech.. I was an adult by the time PC's started coming into peoples homes. But I come here to learn and get the most out of my devices. I rooted and installed a custom ROM on my Asus Transformer Prime, all with the help of the wonderful people here on XDA who seem very willing to help out people like myself. I also love the tolerance here... seems that most are very respectful of others opinions... that is refreshing. -cjr-
wy1d said:
What @vvveith is saying is mostly true - consider the source. Amazon reaches a very large audience and there's no way to know what level of experience those reviewers are comparing against. But since @swngdncr posted the question here on XDA, you'll get a more scrutinous answer. There are basically two kinds of people who visit XDA: 1. Those with an extreme technical knowledge and expertise and 2. Those who want to chat with/collaborate with/get the opinion of #1. That is the kind of community we have here and it's AWESOME.
A very large percentage of what is posted on these boards have little to no relevance to a very large percentage of the general population. But for those of us who are like-minded, we relish the exchange here. Personally, for me, I feel a little let down by Huawei - not because AUO shipped them a batch of defective displays (issues like these are commonplace for early adopters) but because they refuse to acknowledge the issue or even really communicate with their customers. They have engineered insulation in the form of a 3rd party support staff who runs the US call center and forums and cannot speak "officially" on behalf of Huawei but there is no way to contact Huawei directly.
They are a huge player overseas and with a $400 watch, I expect top quality. Like others have mentioned, other watches use similar technology (LG) and do not have these issues. Considering this is their first major entry into the US market, my view of them is now tarnished and I am concerned around support and quality of the upcoming 6P which previously had no doubt in my mind that it would be my next phone.
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Try the app vibration notifier

I agree with most of what you guys said. Despite the problems it's a great watch. Just one thing for now that I am actually missing: the qi charging. Today the watch had terrible battery life and I had a qi enabled battery pack on my bag, but the watch charger at home... That fact alone made me consider exchange the HW for the new 360.

I just got mine last night. It's the black case with the black metal band. I ordered one of the "used" ones from Amazon Warehouse, and as far as I can tell it's perfect. I think the only issue was that its box had been scuffed up a bit, which is why they weren't selling it as new. Seems silly to me, but it was over $100 off MSRP, so whatever. Anyway, so far so good: no issues with red tint, charger connection, flickering screen, etc. It's funny, because after reading all the stuff here, I was mentally prepared to ship it right back to Amazon, assuming it would have numerous flaws. But it's really just a great-looking watch!

One BIG problem of Note7

It is sad that reviewers never talk about one important thing about new devices. And this is radiation level. Galaxy Note7 has very high radiation compared to other Galaxy smartphones. It has radiation 1,28 W/kg (body) in Europe (in USA it should have even higher), which is very high compared to Galaxy S7 edge which have 0,51 W/kg (body). I think limit in Europe is 1,5 or 2,0 W/kg.
And reviewers also don't talk about one other BIG problem with Samsungs smartphones. And this is uneven color temperature on the screen. If you turn on 5 same Galaxy smartphones and put on their screens white color you will see that some of them will not have even white. Some will have in some parts of the screen white more greenish or grayish or pinkish. Specialy Galaxy S6 have this problem and S7 edge too. This definitely ruin good feeling of using smartphone. It is really weird that nobody reviewer talk about that. I don't know if Note7 still have this problem. I would be surprised if don't have it.

Thanks for the reminder. We are so addicted to our mobile devices that it's easy to forget the sad reality that our toys are killing us. The widespread addiction ensures that the powerful invisible hand continues to obstruct our vision from seeing the truth. The truth is, cell phone technology should be outlawed until we can find a way to transmit data without radiation.

It does concern me... Blackberries were always the worst.
USA Model (AT&T), other's probably the same (SM-N930T):
Head : 0.65 W/Kg
Body-worn accessory : 0.58 W/Kg
Product specific(wireless router) : 1.02 W/Kg
Simultaneous transmission : 1.59 W/Kg
International Dual SIM (SM-N930FD):
Head SAR : 0.249 W/Kg
Body SAR : 1.28 W/Kg
So could be a difference between Exynos and Snapdragon

ye that white problem is not cool... I will for sure be returning the phone if this happens to me... dunno how hard it will be to prove them that the screen is f up.

peterbu said:
It is sad that reviewers never talk about one important thing about new devices. And this is radiation level. Galaxy Note7 has very high radiation compared to other Galaxy smartphones. It has radiation 1,28 W/kg (body) in Europe (in USA it should have even higher), which is very high compared to Galaxy S7 edge which have 0,51 W/kg (body). I think limit in Europe is 1,5 or 2,0 W/kg.
And reviewers also don't talk about one other BIG problem with Samsungs smartphones. And this is uneven color temperature on the screen. If you turn on 5 same Galaxy smartphones and put on their screens white color you will see that some of them will not have even white. Some will have in some parts of the screen white more greenish or grayish or pinkish. Specialy Galaxy S6 have this problem and S7 edge too. This definitely ruin good feeling of using smartphone. It is really weird that nobody reviewer talk about that. I don't know if Note7 still have this problem. I would be surprised if don't have it.
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This issue with the screen started since the s2. Not only in whites but also certain shades of greys will have s reddish/yellowish tints on them.

Uh....what is w/kg ? That seems like a heat measurement. Googled it, and it is. RF doesn't harm a body outside of heating it or shocking it, and both need extreme amounts. Any other danger caused by RF, which means radio frequency by the way, are not supported by any science.
Radiation is a misleading term, and you should really educate yourself on it. There are no radioisotopes in a cell phone, so no harmful radiation. The RF limit in the US is 1.6 w and in the EU it's 2.0.

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Uh....what is w/kg ? That seems like a heat measurement. Googled it, and it is. RF doesn't harm a body outside of heating it or shocking it, and both need extreme amounts. Any other danger caused by RF, which means radio frequency by the way, are not supported by any science.
Radiation is a misleading term, and you should really educate yourself on it. There are no radioisotopes in a cell phone, so no harmful radiation. The RF limit in the US is 1.6 w and in the EU it's 2.0.
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Well no one talked about radioisotopes, radiation is a general term for waves of different frequency. You do go outside and the sun might shine on you, do you? UV radiation also does not bombard you with radioisotopes, however you do get confronted with them everywere but of a different source.
Extreme amounts are required to show an effect in a short time during studies. However the issue with phones is that you use them every day with little exposure. This can have a long term effect that is difficult to study and the stuff is not around long enough.
The younger generation will be exposed to those phone radiation for 60-80 years of their life, no one could do studies for that long so far...

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Well no one talked about radioisotopes, radiation is a general term for waves of different frequency. You do go outside and the sun might shine on you, do you? UV radiation also does not bombard you with radioisotopes, however you do get confronted with them everywere but of a different source.
Extreme amounts are required to show an effect in a short time during studies. However the issue with phones is that you use them every day with little exposure. This can have a long term effect that is difficult to study and the stuff is not around long enough.
The younger generation will be exposed to those phone radiation for 60-80 years of their life, no one could do studies for that long so far...
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Kilowatts will burn you. Watts won't do anything.

As for the color temperature, reviewers test ONE phone, and it's usually one they've been given from the manufacturer. Kind of hard for them to determine that various units might differ on color temperature with a sample size of one.
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pilzj said:
Well no one talked about radioisotopes, radiation is a general term for waves of different frequency. You do go outside and the sun might shine on you, do you? UV radiation also does not bombard you with radioisotopes, however you do get confronted with them everywere but of a different source.
Extreme amounts are required to show an effect in a short time during studies. However the issue with phones is that you use them every day with little exposure. This can have a long term effect that is difficult to study and the stuff is not around long enough.
The younger generation will be exposed to those phone radiation for 60-80 years of their life, no one could do studies for that long so far...
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Problem with using the term radiation in general like that is the guy is implying it is harmful radiation. Radiated heat, light, and other waves aren't going to hurt you.

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Problem with using the term radiation in general like that is the guy is implying it is harmful radiation. Radiated heat, light, and other waves aren't going to hurt you.
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Well I'm not sure where you live, but I do have a radiator in every room at home. This one does make sure I do not freeze to death in winter. It is called radiator and there is no intention of harming me as long as I don't hit a toe against it. Maybe this is "general" for you, maybe even for your surrounding. But radiation is not a term associated with harmfulness.
But on another topic, it is probably more harmful to convince yourself that stuff is not harmful instead of being a little cautious.

pilzj said:
Well I'm not sure where you live, but I do have a radiator in every room at home. This one does make sure I do not freeze to death in winter. It is called radiator and there is no intention of harming me as long as I don't hit a toe against it. Maybe this is "general" for you, maybe even for your surrounding. But radiation is not a term associated with harmfulness.
But on another topic, it is probably more harmful to convince yourself that stuff is not harmful instead of being a little cautious.
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Sure. Life IS dangerous. its a question of perspective though. The sun is far more dangerous than most people realise. I would think exposure for very long term use of our mobiles may well have some health effect but so does our diet like eating eggs and bacon plus life is dangerous.
You of course realise we are exposed to RF all day ever day more or less world wide?
Ryland

Ryland Johnson said:
pilzj said:
Well I'm not sure where you live, but I do have a radiator in every room at home. This one does make sure I do not freeze to death in winter. It is called radiator and there is no intention of harming me as long as I don't hit a toe against it. Maybe this is "general" for you, maybe even for your surrounding. But radiation is not a term associated with harmfulness.
But on another topic, it is probably more harmful to convince yourself that stuff is not harmful instead of being a little cautious.
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Sure. Life IS dangerous. its a question of perspective though. The sun is far more dangerous than most people realise. I would think exposure for very long term use of our mobiles may well have some health effect but so does our diet like eating eggs and bacon plus life is dangerous.
You of course realise we are exposed to RF all day ever day more or less world wide?
Ryland
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Don't worry... we're all addicted. Admitting you have a problem is the first step.

Bruce lee roy said:
Don't worry... we're all addicted. Admitting you have a problem is the first step.
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I have a waiting list for my problems!
Ryland:highfive:

peterbu said:
It is sad that reviewers never talk about one important thing about new devices. And this is radiation level. Galaxy Note7 has very high radiation compared to other Galaxy smartphones. It has radiation 1,28 W/kg (body) in Europe (in USA it should have even higher), which is very high compared to Galaxy S7 edge which have 0,51 W/kg (body). I think limit in Europe is 1,5 or 2,0 W/kg.
And reviewers also don't talk about one other BIG problem with Samsungs smartphones. And this is uneven color temperature on the screen. If you turn on 5 same Galaxy smartphones and put on their screens white color you will see that some of them will not have even white. Some will have in some parts of the screen white more greenish or grayish or pinkish. Specialy Galaxy S6 have this problem and S7 edge too. This definitely ruin good feeling of using smartphone. It is really weird that nobody reviewer talk about that. I don't know if Note7 still have this problem. I would be surprised if don't have it.
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I thought you were talking about one problem. That's two

What votum's saying is unless something creates energy at high enough frequencys so that it can knock off electrons and create ions, it wont cause "ionizing" damage. The things that people most refer radiation with is things like uv from the sun, nuclear, x rays etc. But you can have radiation at lower frequencys that do not ionize and so cause no damage (non ionizing). Such things like microwaves (no not food ovens), radio waves, infra red, sound for god sake. Anything that is below the frequencys that cause ionization. These things do and are radiation, but radiation is not exclusive for ionizing radiation so does not mean its cancer causing voodoo.
Cell phones are non ionizing radiation, they do not emit energys high enough to cause damage. Its not possible in theory nor has it been proven.
The radation levels stated are related to whats commonly called the specific absorption rate, SAR for short. This measures energy in the form of microwaves. Microwaves are known to be able to move electrons and create heat, used as such in food ovens. So its quite logical for there to be a close eye in things that emit microwaves so that we dont accidentally hurt ourselves. Not by radiation that causes things like cancer, but less common and rare ones. But the SAR levels in phones is no way high enough to be concerned about, nor will it cause cancer.

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What votum's saying is unless something creates energy at high enough frequencys so that it can knock off electrons and create ions, it wont cause "ionizing" damage. The things that people most refer radiation with is things like uv from the sun, nuclear, x rays etc. But you can have radiation at lower frequencys that do not ionize and so cause no damage (non ionizing). Such things like microwaves (no not food ovens), radio waves, infra red, sound for god sake. Anything that is below the frequencys that cause ionization. These things do and are radiation, but radiation is not exclusive for ionizing radiation so does not mean its cancer causing voodoo.
Cell phones are non ionizing radiation, they do not emit energys high enough to cause damage. Its not possible in theory nor has it been proven.
The radation levels stated are related to whats commonly called the specific absorption rate, SAR for short. This measures energy in the form of microwaves. Microwaves are known to be able to move electrons and create heat, used as such in food ovens. So its quite logical for there to be a close eye in things that emit microwaves so that we dont accidentally hurt ourselves. Not by radiation that causes things like cancer, but less common and rare ones. But the SAR levels in phones is no way high enough to be concerned about, nor will it cause cancer.
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According to a recent study outlined in Scientific American, the experts conclude that they disagree with everything you just said. One expert even went so far as to say "It actually has me concerned, and I am an expert."
http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...e-radiation-study-reignites-cancer-questions/

Well science has been built on the foundation of theorys like this, if it was wrong. We would all hear about it. As far as studys go, its not proven until its validified by more than one party. And must be repeatable, if it fails once. The whole theory collapses.
But i am not here to argue, if you want to know for sure. Just read a book on physics or science. You will just know in theory whats possible and whats not, regardless of whats thrown out there.
Peace.

Better move to Antarctica and not use electricity. You're surrounded by rf radiation from the power lines, radio AM/FM, TV signals, god knows what else. Of course, if you go there, you're going to need thermal radiation or you're going to freeze to death and/or eat lots of cold food.
As a ham radio operator, I'm exposed to significantly more RF in a day than you will get from your phone in 3 years.
And to the person who said kW will burn and not W. I will beg to prove you incorrect. I brushed against a dipole antenna while someone transmitted a continuous load 100W and have a scar to show for it.
Honestly you have far greater things to worry about during your time on this planet.

I work in the nuclear field, and in the US, we don't use radiation to describe heat or light. Radiation is a scary word and is only referred to in a general sense to ionizing radiation. Yeah, a sunburn is caused by radiation, but we don't describe it as such. If you say radiation in America people instantly think of the kind of radiation given by radioisotopes, the harmful kind...ie a, b, g. I wish that it wasn't the case, because it is misguided, but honestly the only reason a media outlet would use the term radiation is to get coverage, not because it is scientifically accurate. Most people aren't scientists, which is why I made my original statement. Saying a phone gives off radiation is a fear mongering clickbaity thing to do, because everything gives off radiation, but almost none of it is harmful.
In the US we just don't use the word radiation outside of scientific study unless you are referring to something harmful typically. No one walks around saying, "man that radiant heat feels good."
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Also I want to point out that the scientists who co ducted the study can't even say for sure there is a link due to issues like male rats living longer when exposed to RF. I also want to point out another flaw, and that is 3/4 of their test groups were far above the legal limits of w/kg exposure. The study also didn't get published, which means it was flawed. The bottom line is saying cell phone radiation is harmful is crazy talk, because guess what? You are being bathed in RF all day regardless of whether you have a phone or not. Just likenon smokers in big cities have the same rate of lung cancer as heavy smokers.
Show me a study with cell radiation measured in Sieverts and I'll pay attention

Response to Common Complaints & Criticism

Alright, alright. I had to create an account after reading several critiques and complaints on this forum. I'm sure a lot of people that are considering buying the phone will be popping in and reading the very same complaints while considering their purchase. The purpose of this thread is to clear up said complaints, from my own personal experience.
First of all, I'd like to ensure you all who haven't bought the phone yet that you absolutely have to buy it and experience it for yourself before making any decision. After all, you usually have 14 days to return it. I say this because, while the phone is not "perfect" as many here on this forum have pointed out, it is probably one of the most aesthetically pleasing phones I've ever laid eyes on, and feels incredibly comfortable in the hand. Pictures DO NOT do this phone justice, and the overflowing screen, combined with the size and weight of the phone, gives an overwhelming feeling of vibrancy when holding/viewing. The colors are phenomenal, the contrast is phenomenal, the screen just pops out at you and is bursting with seamless beauty.
(Cost) The phone is expensive, yes, but there's a reason for that: it's a top tier smartphone. If you haven't gotten used to a hefty price tag yet, then you must not have been in the market for long. If you can't afford it, get a OnePlus 3, but I can guarantee you it wont be as fine an experience. Most cell phone companies offer financing, too. Meaning, you make a small monthly payment for the phone itself over the course of the 1-2 years that you'll be using it anyway, and if you decide to, you simply cancel service and pay the phone off. Most companies will then give you an unlock code, and the phone is then yours to do what you please with it, or bring it to another service provider. Either way, every dime you pay while financing brings you closer to owning it, if you decide not to buy it outright. I personally will probably just pay mine off when the price tag gets down to about $400 dollars.
(Delicacy or Lack Thereof) As I stated in the introduction, the phone is thin, comfortable, feels great in the hand, but the overflowing screen gives it a very large & vibrant appearance even though it doesn't FEEL that large in the hand. Does this mean it feels delicate and fragile? Not at all. Now that's not to say you wouldn't WANT to drop it, but for the most part, it's easy to handle, has the perfect weight to it, and doesn't feel fragile by any means. This phone is NOT going to scratch/break in your pocket, unless you're mashing your legs into the sharp edges of tables or falling onto it, or for whatever reason like to keep sharp objects in the same pocket as your phone. It's NOT going to scratch by simply setting it down on a table, or having it slide in between the seats of your car.
This brings me down to a point I've emphasized before: If you're going to buy a $900 phone? DO... not... drop it! I mean, honestly, lets be real here guys: accidents DO happen. However, it's those of us who are incredibly careful, who are capable of owning phones like these. If you're someone who is very clumsy, careless, active, etc., perhaps NO phone of this design type is meant for you. That is not the fault of the manufacturers. There are many phone manufacturers who build phones designed for DURABILITY. My last Galaxy, which wasn't exactly designed for durability, lasted me 2 FULL YEARS however, and has never been dropped once, nor does it have a single scratch. This phone IS durable though- it's durable for a phone of THIS make, this design, and trust me... this is a stylish designer phone, it simply is not an ACTIVE phone. If you want to turn it INTO an ACTIVE phone? Buy a damn Otterbox Defender. When you're hiking/rock climbing/playing basketball, whatever- you're going to have an ACTIVE Note 7 phone. Then when you're doing some casual driving, sitting at a desk, sitting anywhere at home really, at dinner with friends, or pretty much doing anything that's non-active, pop it out of it's case. You'll then, once again, have the nicest phone that anyone's ever laid eyes on.
To summarize the above, be a responsible phone owner, and you'll be fine. If you can't handle the responsibility of owning such an expensive product that was designed to be durable while keeping a fantastic overall appearance, don't buy it. You can't fault manufacturers for your lack of care.
(Battery Life) I've owned this phone for a little while now, and I've charged it approximately one and a half times (by a half, I mean plugged it in at 40-50% before leaving the house) per day. I keep High Accuracy GPS on, I keep brightness at 85-95%, I keep a multicolor 'Always On' display up, I have the "screen off" time set to 3 minutes, I have HD quality wallpapers for home & lock screens, and I keep WiFi on. I have yet to use any of the battery saver modes or capabilities. During the first few days of owning this phone, I would install back to back programs, take 15+ pictures while playing around with the different camera & video settings, record videos of my screen, experiment with the S pen, experiment with different mobile games, set up setting after setting, security feature after security feature, experiment with high quality video, stream YouTube & Netflix movies, the list goes on and on and I'm sure anyone who's ever owned a new phone knows exactly what I'm talking about.
During these times, my battery would last approximately 9 hours before falling to 20% or below. That's EXTREME HEAVY use, with battery draining functions, brightness, and high resolution screens, and no power saving whatsoever giving me 9 hours of use without even falling into critical battery levels. When I get down to around 20%, I plug it in and it takes about 40-50 minutes to charge back to 100%. If my battery is at 30% or higher, I simply plug it in and it's charged in 30-40 minutes or less. I have ONCE allowed my phone to fall below 10%, and it took no longer than one hour to charge to 100%. So yes, the battery is EXTREMELY good, and it charges extremely fast.
(Fingerprints) This phone will have fingerprints on it within just a few minutes of use, however, they are hardly noticeable unless you're actually looking for them. Once it gets marked up really heavily, which only takes about two hours of use to happen, it becomes a little more noticeable at a glance, but still, you have to be UP CLOSE to the phone to even notice. Now, I have EXTREME OCD, so this should bother me a lot more, right? No, it doesn't. What I do is keep 2 microfiber towels- one on my desk(where I spend a lot of my time) and one in my car. Whenever I pick up my phone after an extended period of non-use, I simply wipe it with the dry towel(takes 15 seconds) and viola- it looks like it JUST came out of the box again... brand new. When going somewhere, I do a quick wipe of the phone before exiting my vehicle- and viola. Brand new looking phone sitting in my pocket wherever I'm going. The gorgeous material of this phone is a worthy sacrifice for some barely noticeable fingerprints that can easily be rectified. Oh, by the way. BECAUSE of the material the phone is made of, it is MUCH EASIER to clean with said microfiber towels than the older plastic models, such as the S4. That one took at lot more scrubbing and hitting specific areas, and would also get smudge marks from the fingerprints being "wiped in" by the cloth, that were almost impossible to get rid of.
(The "oh so" Awful Speaker) This is one of the biggest critiques the phone has received, by both people on this forum, and review videos/articles/websites all across the interwebz. And I? I just don't see it. The speaker, to me, is LOUD. Now, it's not booming, bass boosted music cube quality, however... it is loud enough to where I could easily hear it ringing(depending on the ringtone) from across the house in another room. It's also loud enough to where I could play a video, turn the volume to max, set it about 50 feet away, and still hear it vividly. Also, I love the quality of the sound. It doesn't sound cheap, or poor at all to me. Non-speaker voice sound is crystal clear through this during calls. Sometimes if you hold the phone a certain way, you can block off the speaker since it's on the bottom, muffling the sound. However, muscle memory allowed me to quickly get used to preventing this after the very first time it happened. I never have a problem with the speaker being on the bottom, outside of the fact that I slightly prefer the headphone jack being on the top.
(Performance) Mentions of slow loading, TouchWiz lag, etc on this forum, I have yet to experience once. TouchWiz also has a much better interface now, especially after downloading a free theme that I liked. TouchWiz does not lag at all for me. Nothing on this phone loads "slowly" for me. I did a screen-record video of myself navigating different apps, games, etc on my phone, and literally sh** was opening within milliseconds of each tap, minus games, which, depending on the size/type of game, would take just a few seconds. I see no "slowness" in this phone whatsoever. There's literally not even delays between navigating pages on Facebook, switching from Facebook to YouTube and then from YouTube to Gmail and then from Gmail to a video on my phone. If I were to do all these app switches and loads in order of what I just listed, it would take no more than the time it takes me to open the Edge screen and tap the different apps. Game-play on games such as Mage and Minions is fluid, without noticeable frame drops, and without lag.
(Fingerprint & Iris Scanners) Fingerprint scanner works perfectly if you actually use it right, i.e., gently place your *entire* fingertip over the button. The iris scanner is not perfect, but it works 95% of the time and is FAST... VERY FAST when it does work. If you're looking for a "more secure" method of locking your phone- that's what it's for. It is supposed to be much more secure than the fingerprint scanner, and it's very fast as long as you do it right. Like, I'm talking, sometimes I don't even have time to see the "eye circles" appear on the screen. It just unlocks in a millisecond, as I'm already holding the phone in the correct position upon swiping up. Now, if you wear glasses or contacts, just skip the iris scanner. It is not 100% necessity, by any means, and your phone can be secured with simply the fingerprint scanner or a complex password. Not the end of the world.
(Camera) I'm only very slightly disappointed with the outdoor light(ex: sitting in a carport with an overhead light at night). This causes somewhat of a grainy appearance in the camera. In every other light/dark scenario so far, unless zoomed in too far, these pictures are crystal clear. Near professional. Beautiful. The camera is fast & responsive. The interface is very easy to use and understand.
Now, I do not consider myself to be a "Samsung fanboy," nor a "Galaxy fanboy." I do not dislike Apple Products outside of the fact that I think they're just a tad highly priced in comparison to Samsung(I know, the difference is becoming very slight, but even still). My wife has the 6s Plus, and it's a great phone. I do not work for Samsung, I do not work for any cell phone company at all, I am not paid to write any of the above. This was simply my unbiased response/personal review of the Note 7, that I was inclined to write after seeing so many negative comments on this forum in addition to a lot of misinformation. I WANT others to get the same experience I'm getting with my Note 7, and frankly, not be discouraged by others. So there you go.

i can agree to just about everything that you said, except for my experience with the battery. i haven't had a chance to really test it in optimal conditions because i have little to no service while i'm at work underground in an elevator shaft but we will see. i hear mixed things about screen on time, etc. but most things are a factory reset away if there is any trouble. for the most part this is one of my favorite devices i have ever owned. if you love the note line or never have been in it, this phone (note 7) is the culmination of all of its beauty and brawn.

Ace Ryan said:
After all, you usually have 14 days to return it
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Anyway please remember that we are on an International forum and this possibility is not always offered in some countries, or impracticable or too expensive when buying online from some far east sellers.
IMHO it's still too early for a definitive evaluation of the expensive N7, so personally I preferred to cancel my pre-order and wait a couple of months after having seen many reports of daily usage from normal users like me, not only web magazine techie or pseudo-techie people (unfortunately sometime questionable if not clearly biased... )

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Anyway please remember that we are on an International forum and this possibility is not always offered in some countries, or impracticable or too expensive when buying online from some far east sellers.
IMHO it's still too early for a definitive evaluation of the expensive N7, so personally I preferred to cancel my pre-order and wait a couple of months after having seen many reports of daily usage from normal users like me, not only web magazine techie or pseudo-techie people (unfortunately sometime questionable if not clearly biased... )
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Deciding to wait is not a bad idea- however- while you do not know me and vice versa, I promise you that all of what I said above is completely true and honest, with no bias whatsoever. The problem is, people who "review" things for a living need something to REVIEW. They NEED both good AND bad. That leads to nitpicking. I on the other-hand, don't have a reason to nitpick, as I am not a paid reviewer or anything like that. Not only that, but I rely on this phone heavily for work, and I use it almost constantly during down times at work to keep myself entertained & busy. That said, even though I do not have reason to nitpick, I DO have many reasons to NEED an amazing phone.
My phone, as of right now, is far from factory default. I already have about 7 videos, 35+ pictures, I've downloaded every program that I used on my previous Galaxy phone, IN ADDITION to other programs/apps/games.
This is part of why I wrote such an extensive review, because even though I haven't had the phone that long, I've been putting it through the ringer and it's still performing phenomenally. I've been glued to it since the day I got it almost non-stop. While using it heavily for work, I'm texting/calling CONSTANTLY, almost every 10-25 minutes throughout 10 - 14 hour shifts, in addition to taking credit card payments on this phone. That said, I've accumulated close to a thousand text messages or more already and a pretty massive call log.
Also, of course I'm aware that return policies differ, not only from place to place but from carrier to carrier, which is why I said "usually." I do not want anyone to mistake that statement for fact and cause them to buy a phone they cannot return, so I'll add some extra emphasis on that in my OP. Everyone, however, should always do their own research on their sellers return policies and general procedures. This should be common sense.

themissionimpossible said:
Anyway please remember that we are on an International forum and this possibility is not always offered in some countries, or impracticable or too expensive when buying online from some far east sellers.
IMHO it's still too early for a definitive evaluation of the expensive N7, so personally I preferred to cancel my pre-order and wait a couple of months after having seen many reports of daily usage from normal users like me, not only web magazine techie or pseudo-techie people (unfortunately sometime questionable if not clearly biased... )
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Hi. Respectfully if you believe what is written on forums regarding ANY device you would never make a purchase, not even a pair of shoes.
THE only review that counts should and must be your own.
I have been buying tech stuff since the early 70's and research every single thing I buy prior to purchase. I find this silly habit of mine part of the fun buying experience for me. I have read glowing reports on tech that I have returned the same day and read awful reports on tech that I have kept and used for years.
To cancel the Note 7 based on what you have read either positive or negative is unwise. Take forum posting. How many satisfied owners are going to seek out a forum and write praise? Now, how many are going to write to complain! Its called 'human nature'.
Its totally disproportionate to reality. Sitting on the fence is not the way to live. Buy, test then make your own judgement. You can always return it if not satisfied.
Best of luck, Ryland :good:

The battery takes a lot longer to charge for mine. Does it get hot when charging for anyone else?

Ryland Johnson said:
THE only review that counts should and must be your own.
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Respectfully, IMHO a very pointless suggestion..
I just don't want to buy something first and then regret to have bought it and wasted my money....

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Respectfully, IMHO a very pointless suggestion..
I just don't want to buy something first and then regret to have bought it and wasted my money....
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How do you know that your wants and needs are the same as whoever's critique you're reading? For some reason this forum has an inordinately large number of OMG!'rs that freak out relatively easily. And most are freaking out at theory as they've never touched a Note7 better yet own one.
No phone is going to be perfect as there are always going to be OEM induced compromises. They are what they are. I came from a Note5 and the Note7 exceeds it in every way including all the categories listed by the OP. Some things are different but none that aren't made up for in other ways.
People should buy what makes them happy and do their homework first. That includes reading reviews and forums but filtering the results to what applies to their specific needs and usage. Some of the OCD posts in this forum make me laugh. No phone built or to be built will ever satisfy some folks here.

BarryH_GEG said:
How do you know that your wants and needs are the same as whoever's critique you're reading? For some reason this forum has an inordinately large number of OMG!'rs that freak out relatively easily. And most are freaking out at theory as they've never touched a Note7 better yet own one.
No phone is going to be perfect as there are always going to be OEM induced compromises. They are what they are. I came from a Note5 and the Note7 exceeds it in every way including all the categories listed by the OP. Some things are different but none that aren't made up for in other ways.
People should buy what makes them happy and do their homework first. That includes reading reviews and forums but filtering the results to what applies to their specific needs and usage. Some of the OCD posts in this forum make me laugh. No phone built or to be built will ever satisfy some folks here.
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At Last a voice of reason. Bravo! :good: :good: :good:
Ryland
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Respectfully, IMHO a very pointless suggestion..
I just don't want to buy something first and then regret to have bought it and wasted my money....
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Hi, Thanks for the reply. I like certain fruit and what I enjoy you may not so I may say X fruit is bitter but you may like bitter...It truly is a question of perspective.
You simply can't base what you fear buying on other peoples comments be they positive nor negative. Its all so subjective as pointed out several times, mot of the naysayers here, and there are a few, don't even own the device! You are nervous to purchase in case you don't like it based on this forum. Please Youtube this mobile and read the professional reviews, people who have been testing these devices for years. They all appear to me to write and speak highly of the note 7. BTW that would not change how I felt about my ownership even if they spoke poorly of it as I think its a very good work device. NOT for everyone though, not supposed to be. It is for me with bells on.
I wish you well with what ever you purchase. :highfive:
Ryland

Finally I was abput to create a thread about how we discuss the greatness of the phone. Too many negative ppl complaining if you dont like it pick up said phone and take it back, this community is suppose to be positive supportive not bashing new products or what others enjoy regardless. Refreshing to see positivity I love this phone it's simply amazing and superb. Thank you to the others that are positive in this forum.
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very true indeed matsuyamakaze

Phones, like cars and pretty much everything else, are a matter of personal choice. For me this is by far the best phone I have ever owned (last two were a SonyZ3 and a Z3+). I would agree that the speaker is pretty soft but only an issue if you want to use it to play music (get a BT speaker). There's nothing more that I want in a feature packed phone. Read the reviews and make your own choice.

the best fone of 2016 till 2019 ,thats y its note 7 and not note 6 , im so pissed off by all this criticism
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The only complaint I have is that they took out the features from the old s note app like link to action. Besides that I live this gorgeous piece of hardware. Oh another complaint I have to cover this beauty with a case. That's about it though. Even with the recalls. I still love it.
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Do you feel there are any caveats to the curved screen? I'm considering a Note 7 because the curvature is a lot less noticeable than on the S7 Edge, which was criticized for distorting the image around the curve afaik. I currently have a Oneplus One that I'm quite happy with but would love something just a tiny bit physically smaller and with a fingerprint reader but don't feel the Oneplus 3 is much of an upgrade in other areas.

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Respectfully, IMHO a very pointless suggestion..
I just don't want to buy something first and then regret to have bought it and wasted my money....
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With mutual respect. So what you suggest is we should all read your opinion and purchase one based on your opinion? Opinions are like ears, we all have them and to suggest we buy based on any report is unwise. Taste is a major factor not to mention what we need the device to perform. I need the S-pen so that leaves me zero options.
No one on earth can choose ones hi-fi set up for us, we all have different preferences in sound reproduction that's why we have such a massive choice and stores that will arrange a listening session before ones purchases. 'The best' is simply ones own opinion and personal taste. Same with mobile phones.
With such a purchase you have to see the item and test it yourself. Forum opinions and professional reports can, on times, be a rough guide but that is all they are. True professional in the field of electronics will state that.
Ryland :good:
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Do you feel there are any caveats to the curved screen? I'm considering a Note 7 because the curvature is a lot less noticeable than on the S7 Edge, which was criticized for distorting the image around the curve afaik. I currently have a Oneplus One that I'm quite happy with but would love something just a tiny bit physically smaller and with a fingerprint reader but don't feel the Oneplus 3 is much of an upgrade in other areas.
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First thing. Do you NEED the S-pen? If you don't then consider the S7. Great deals can be found on the S7 at present.
Second point. I have been buying the 'edge' editions since they where introduced and have yet to find a half decent screen saver of any type be it skin or armor glass type. Does this matter? Well yes it does as the Note 7 comes with a more drop resistant Gorilla glass BUT the trade off is it appears softer so 'may' scratch more easily than the S7 edge? I have my Note 7 in the Samsung LED flip case and I have left the factory screen saver on until I can find the courage to change it to the Samsung screen saver looking at me in its box!
YOU must decide what you want then what you need from your mobile and purchase accordingly. Its great fun looking and searching for ones next technology fix! :highfive:
Don't be pushed and don't rush. Enjoy the shopping experience.
Ryland

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First thing. Do you NEED the S-pen? If you don't then consider the S7. Great deals can be found on the S7 at present.
Second point. I have been buying the 'edge' editions since they where introduced and have yet to find a half decent screen saver of any type be it skin or armor glass type. Does this matter? Well yes it does as the Note 7 comes with a more drop resistant Gorilla glass BUT the trade off is it appears softer so 'may' scratch more easily than the S7 edge? I have my Note 7 in the Samsung LED flip case and I have left the factory screen saver on until I can find the courage to change it to the Samsung screen saver looking at me in its box!
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I don't necessarily need it but I would probably like it. The S7 is too small for me, I'm used to a 5.5" display so anything smaller just seems a bit too small now. I find myself doing a lot of reading on my phone now whereas before with a 5" display phone I used a tablet a lot more. I was wondering about the curved Note 7 display mainly if it causes any problems clicking icons that are on the edge of the screen or seeing them if they are right on the curved part.
Screen protectors or cases don't really matter to me as I generally use my phones without any. So far haven't broken or scratched a single display. If anybody makes a Oneplus One "sandstone black" type texture skin or case for a Note 7 I might reconsider as I love how grippy that is.

Ryland Johnson said:
No one on earth can choose ones hi-fi set up for us, we all have different preferences in sound reproduction that's why we have such a massive choice and stores that will arrange a listening session before ones purchases. 'The best' is simply ones own opinion and personal taste. Same with mobile phones.
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I see you probably live in a more favorable country...
I don't know a store here in Italy that let you install and test by yourself with their 3 or 4 demo top smartphones all your main apps and games, and let you play with those phones for a few hours... Usually those demo phones don't even have a valid SIM card inserted and/or Internet wifi access...
And of course I can't just go to USA or to some other country only for such tests.
Conversely, here in Italy a lot of hi-fi stores let you test many different audio or video setups with your own video or music material, so at least in my case your proper suggestion to do the same with smartphones unfortunately is actually not practicable as with hi-fi...

General Galaxy Z Fold 3 Discussion

With recent leaks showing the device giving us an idea of what the device could look like, I was curious to what some of our gripes were as far as this phone goes. If you haven't already seen the leaks, you can click here. It also gives us an idea of what the next flip will look.
Now as far as my own personal gripes:
1. This is by far the biggest one - The front screen. I understand the reasoning behind making it easier on one handed use, but I genuinely do believe more people would rather have a normal aspect ratio as if it were a normal phone. With the mate x2 being released, it's definitely possible and if anything, looks more premium. I wouldn't be so harsh towards the subject if we were able to change the aspect ratio on the front screen as well (I know you can do this with goodlock regarding the inner screen, there's just no option for the front). This becomes an issue for social media apps (ex, snapchat or instagram) not being able to properly send pictures or post them due to that aspect ratio throwing it off. For those apps to be used properly, the inside screen would need to be opened and have the aspect ratio adjusted and there's no fix otherwise. All of this and the generalization of not wanting to open the phone up to see wider content almost every time.
There's a link here that provides a solution, but again, only for the front/cover screen.
2. Sharp edges - If you're holding the phone for an extended period of time, you'll more than likely become uncomfortable with it on the left side (while using it closed). I will say, looking into the leaked photos, it seems they have fixed the issue by curving it.
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3. Hinge design - Now this phone is a solid tank from my experience. Someone had accidentally dropped my phone, relatively brutally at that and the hinge had gotten stuck for a second and popped banked into place (Don't ask, just call me lucky). While I think it's extremely durable, I'd definitely like to see the improve with it's design. It seems that they may have from that leak (which again, could possibly not be the actual device). The comparison I'd like to make again would be to the mate x2 and you'll see below what I mean and the over aesthetic of the phone while it's closed. Granted the x2 is newer, the overall design does make it look discrete as far as being a foldable.
4. Weight - This one I'm not very optimistic on, just because there are more parts and factors that go into a folding phone. The overall weight can be an annoyance overtime while holding it closed. This kind of brings me back to my first point of it being wider, with a wider body, it'd seem that there would be more surface area to distribute that weight versus making the phone feel like a brick.
5. Other stuff would consist of the gap itself. I hate to keep comparing it to the X2, but they definitely did build a solid device in terms of design. From the leaks, it's been made out to be that the gap on the upcoming z fold 3 will be greatly reduced. Time will tell on that one.
As far as the leaks on the z fold 3, it does seem like it has some promising upgrades. One being the under-display camera. Hopefully it's greatly improved over the first generation one that had been released in I believe a ZTE phone. I see S Pen support as well which is neat for a bigger display for sure. It's a little disappointing to see that they, again, chose a lackluster route on the camera array. Not saying they'd be bad cameras by any means, but a TOF sensor or zoom lens would've been a little more justifiable regarding pricing of these phones (especially in a flagship standpoint).

megaghostgamer said:
With recent leaks showing the device giving us an idea of what the device could look like, I was curious to what some of our gripes were as far as this phone goes. If you haven't already seen the leaks, you can click here. It also gives us an idea of what the next flip will look.
Now as far as my own personal gripes:
1. This is by far the biggest one - The front screen. I understand the reasoning behind making it easier on one handed use, but I genuinely do believe more people would rather have a normal aspect ratio as if it were a normal phone. With the mate x2 being released, it's definitely possible and if anything, looks more premium. I wouldn't be so harsh towards the subject if we were able to change the aspect ratio on the front screen as well (I know you can do this with goodlock regarding the inner screen, there's just no option for the front). This becomes an issue for social media apps (ex, snapchat or instagram) not being able to properly send pictures or post them due to that aspect ratio throwing it off. For those apps to be used properly, the inside screen would need to be opened and have the aspect ratio adjusted and there's no fix otherwise. All of this and the generalization of not wanting to open the phone up to see wider content almost every time.
There's a link here that provides a solution, but again, only for the front/cover screen.
2. Sharp edges - If you're holding the phone for an extended period of time, you'll more than likely become uncomfortable with it on the left side (while using it closed). I will say, looking into the leaked photos, it seems they have fixed the issue by curving it.
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3. Hinge design - Now this phone is a solid tank from my experience. Someone had accidentally dropped my phone, relatively brutally at that and the hinge had gotten stuck for a second and popped banked into place (Don't ask, just call me lucky). While I think it's extremely durable, I'd definitely like to see the improve with it's design. It seems that they may have from that leak (which again, could possibly not be the actual device). The comparison I'd like to make again would be to the mate x2 and you'll see below what I mean and the over aesthetic of the phone while it's closed. Granted the x2 is newer, the overall design does make it look discrete as far as being a foldable.
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4. Weight - This one I'm not very optimistic on, just because there are more parts and factors that go into a folding phone. The overall weight can be an annoyance overtime while holding it closed. This kind of brings me back to my first point of it being wider, with a wider body, it'd seem that there would be more surface area to distribute that weight versus making the phone feel like a brick.
5. Other stuff would consist of the gap itself. I hate to keep comparing it to the X2, but they definitely did build a solid device in terms of design. From the leaks, it's been made out to be that the gap on the upcoming z fold 3 will be greatly reduced. Time will tell on that one.
As far as the leaks on the z fold 3, it does seem like it has some promising upgrades. One being the under-display camera. Hopefully it's greatly improved over the first generation one that had been released in I believe a ZTE phone. I see S Pen support as well which is neat for a bigger display for sure. It's a little disappointing to see that they, again, chose a lackluster route on the camera array. Not saying they'd be bad cameras by any means, but a TOF sensor or zoom lens would've been a little more justifiable regarding pricing of these phones (especially in a flagship standpoint).
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How soon before it gets it own set of fora? July or August?

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How soon before it gets it own set of fora? July or August?
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Not until the official announcement by samsung usually. I'd basically want the mate x2 running one UI. That would be my perfect phone. Oh and the latest processor of course, lol.

So around August 19th there might be the 3 forum?

Is there any reason to expect a display smaller than about 7.5"?

Anyone believe it will around $1600?

megaghostgamer said:
With recent leaks showing the device giving us an idea of what the device could look like, I was curious to what some of our gripes were as far as this phone goes. If you haven't already seen the leaks, you can click here. It also gives us an idea of what the next flip will look.
6. Cameras. It is CRIMINAL of Samsung not to put S21U camera modules in the most expensive spartphone they sell. No more S10 sensors please.
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ronaldheld said:
Anyone believe it will around $1600?
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Samsung reduced the (UK) RRP from £1799 to £1599 a few months back.
I cannot believe Samsung would be foolish enough to raise RRP again for Fold3.

Phonearena claims August 3d for the announcement date and in shipping on the the 27th. Anyone else confirm this?

Any date for hen we can preorder the phone?

should we expect a separate forum around August 3?

My utter disappointment in the Pixel 5 may lead me to go this route when this comes out... Assuming I can root it and get rid of all of Samsung's garbage software.
Honestly, does ANYONE use "Bixby"???

dezborders said:
Samsung reduced the (UK) RRP from £1799 to £1599 a few months back.
I cannot believe Samsung would be foolish enough to raise RRP again for Fold3.
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LOL you'd be amazed at what Samsung is stupid enough to do. These are the people that brought us Bixby.
And that price is ridiculous. That's enough to make crApple blush.

Why the cutting-edge Galaxy Z Fold 3 is doomed to flop
Samsung's Galaxy Z Fold 3 is promising, but there are too many aspects that make it "un-normal". Will it flop?
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Comments?

The unpacking event is August 3d or 11th?

Looks like the 11th: https://www.phonearena.com/news/summer-samsung-galaxy-unpacked-2021-date-revealed_id133327

ronaldheld said:
Why the cutting-edge Galaxy Z Fold 3 is doomed to flop
Samsung's Galaxy Z Fold 3 is promising, but there are too many aspects that make it "un-normal". Will it flop?
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Stupid. I am seriously considering one.

Meanwhile Samsung has grossly neglected it's most popular flagship line, the Note.
Brilliant, a real masterpiece as Samsung flat spins in on full afterburner and keeps its nose up... *splash*

Am I the only one who sees the 3 as being a tiny improvement over the 2? If I could get a native Google experience on it I'd have already jumped ship for the Mate X2. I'm surprised that Samsung isn't improving the aspect ratio and sizes of the screens, or giving significantly better cameras. Yes, an under the screen camera would be nice, but I just don't see much that would cause me to upgrade from the 2.

Never owned a FOLD, excited!!