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I have had about 5 android phones and I got the play(usa). When I got it there wasnt any root for it yet. As u know there is now. My issue is this, with every phone ive had I have never seen so many people willing to help someone root there phone. Untill i got This one. I dont need root but im one of them people who wants to cause I can. I have never bricked any phone ive used. I have altered every smartphone ive used. From winmo to the dare to android The point of these forums is to help one another. Not become rude and say screw you figure it out yourself. You all must remember not all of us are familiar with every aspect of every phone. Im not sure if most of u r so rude because u have no life but carma is a *****. To the dev helping and r willing to share what they know thank you you are and what should be what these forums are built for. Tho some are not able to pay for your time. I will be the one to say thank you without your effort we would not have what we have today. Again thank you. And to the rest take a look at the ass u have become.
You used the [Q] tag even though there was no question...and it's Karma, just saying. I agree though that some members on here are incredibly rude when they could be useful, but still, this thread didn't need the "Question" tag.
[Rant from a person who, in the measure of his possibilities, has contributed to all the developments going on here]
1) Learn to spell your own language, and some lessons on punctuation meanwhile. It is insulting to people who have English as a second or third language (a good share of the users, if not the majority) and have to spend years in cubicles learning English well enough to be understood when English-speaking natives don't even try to make themselves understandable.
2) It's exhausting to read loads of poorly written (and therefore hard to understand) questions about the same topic. It's more exhausting when they're all actually the same question, but the person who asks didn't actually care to search properly for his answer. Of course, he hasn't found an answer because he doesn't want to spend any effort in reading, summarising and extracting the proper lessons, and because in case that he reads and "does his homework", there's a good chance that what he finds is... a poorly written (and therefore hard to understand) question, which deters him from reading further.
3) I have a life. A life that is well spent when I can be helpful to others. When others don't want me to be helpful, and that shows when they don't bother to communicate their needs properly, my life is a bit unhappier. I want to help, so let me. Writing "im one of them people who wants to cause "I can" implies that you're hostile towards my help, or anyone else's. And when this kind of people are hostile, and it's clear that they're hostile towards you because they don't make the basic effort to communicate with you, there's a thin line between giving a grudging answer and sending them to hell.
4) Basic idea: you don't want to be helped, so help yourself. You don't want to read the threads that are already open and telling you all you want to know, so don't ask us to answer to your own thread. You're hostile towards others by not trying to communicate with them, and by expelling what is basically noise: expect hostility and more noise to come back to you. As you very well say, karma is a *****.
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i did not see the question :S
1. How do you know they don't even try to make themself understandable, you might choose a more suitable word, you 'assume' they don't. Some are better at things than others don't demean people for their spelling nor grammer. I will agree that one should retain from using txt/sms language in posts.
2. Yes this forum is already getting cluttered up with the same questions. If it annoyes you don't click on the thread. If you do then choose to help either way it's written. Point the OP to the other(s) thread(s) or even answer without hostility. You choose how to react.
3. They might be hostile and then you choose to react and choose to return it. If you want to help, then help either way and do it without remarks. What does it matter. If it makes you happier when helping then do it, choose to do it no matter the language, grammr and spelling, hell even the tone. Karma works both ways, what you give is what you recieve. So if I get it right one needs to meet your standrd of spelling and grammer to be helped, that just bs. Help is a gift to others and you don't give anybody anything to expect to get anything back then it's not a gift but a trade. Everybody has a life what has that got to do with it unless you imply that they wasting your time by posting unreadable posts, you choose to read.
4. I agree with you on this, if people won't spend the time on helping themself others won't help them. If they have a hostile tone they'll get that back. That's how karma works. You on the other hand always have a choise on how to react. It's always your choise, so what you give is up to you and not depending on what others might or might not post in a thread.
I understand your point of view on this matter and I'm not saying that meeting people with open arms is easy and not getting annoyed when the same person put up 2-3 threads with the same problem/issue. I react aswell and get annoyed and for a few secs I feel the urge to post a negative response, but I don't. I mean we're all human and have the same reaction. The thing is how you respond to them, how you meet the world on a daily basis
Regards Dousan...
Hope I make myself understandable
e: Karma is not a ***** it reflects what you do and how you act in life
The question (that was answered) is why are some people developing and using sony play so rude. I undetstand getting frustrated because of there ignorance. However, wouldnt it be just as easy to answer there question? More time and effort is spent being an ass that is needed. Nowhere in my article did I say I needed help. No I do not have a rooted phone. not because I cannot but because I myself am waiting for a Oneclick root. I use my phone as my internet. For a 150 mb program it takes about 4 hours to download. Ill wait.
For logseman, im glad it took you forever to read my post. Its less time you can spend being a **** to someone else. For not being able or " hard to understand" you sure was able to to reply with ease. If it means we english - speaking natives have to deal with people like yourself, ill pass. People like you are why the world is the way it is today. Try helping a little more. Next time you get the desire to be an ass while replying, try being helpful, even if the question has been answered. Yes they could be being lazy and not willing to help themselves. But rude reply is Just as lazy and unproductive.
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The question (that was answered) is why are some people developing and using sony play so rude. I undetstand getting frustrated because of there ignorance. However, wouldnt it be just as easy to answer there question? More time and effort is spent being an ass that is needed. Nowhere in my article did I say I needed help. No I do not have a rooted phone. not because I cannot but because I myself am waiting for a Oneclick root. I use my phone as my internet. For a 150 mb program it takes about 4 hours to download. Ill wait.
For logseman, im glad it took you forever to read my post. Its less time you can spend being a **** to someone else. For not being able or " hard to understand" you sure was able to to reply with ease. If it means we english - speaking natives have to deal with people like yourself, ill pass. People like you are why the world is the way it is today. Try helping a little more. Next time you get the desire to be an ass while replying, try being helpful, even if the question has been answered. Yes they could be being lazy and not willing to help themselves. But rude reply is Just as lazy and unproductive.
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Use the search button. More time and effort is spent answering questions that have already been answered multiple times than is needed.
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For logseman, im glad it took you forever to read my post. Its less time you can spend being a **** to someone else. For not being able or " hard to understand" you sure was able to to reply with ease. If it means we english - speaking natives have to deal with people like yourself, ill pass. People like you are why the world is the way it is today. Try helping a little more. Next time you get the desire to be an ass while replying, try being helpful, even if the question has been answered. Yes they could be being lazy and not willing to help themselves. But rude reply is Just as lazy and unproductive.
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Use the search button. More time and effort is spent answering questions that have already been answered multiple times than is needed.
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Look I get that. I understand people are sick of the same questions. But directing them where it is or simply saying use search. Is better then some of the stuff I have read. Some ones reply was if you need step by step instructions im not helping you. Your a newbee and shouldn't be rooting. I dont know how to use every program available for android rooting but I can fallow directions. This is how I have rooted all of my smartphones.
If you don't understand why writing poorly and not bothering to state your problem clearly is a hostile act towards the people who potentially want to help you, I don't have anything more to say about this topic.
If I've been helpful to people in this forum, that's for them to decide. Ask Blagus, Mills, Ashergray, Yifanlu... Perhaps I wasn't of great assistance to them, but they will probably say that I've done what was in my reach to help. And perhaps 117 thanks in my counter, without me ever having developed anything, might mean that perhaps sometimes I may be making myself helpful.
I do not wish to argue further. By all means, rape your language, transform your posts into hieroglyphic loads of nonsense which people have to decipher with a Rosetta Stone, only to discover that it's the same question asked 3 threads below. As you can guess, I couldn't care less. But don't try to subvert what's right (asking for help) and what's wrong (being lazy and impolite).
It took me about 2 minutes on this forum to figure out how to root my phone - was a very easy process compared to my previous Acer. As someone who is new to the Play scene this forum is about the same as any other, some helpful, some rude.. I don't see what the issue is...
Just because people are so called "newbs" they post on here thinking they will get the answer quicker than searching themselves. Which is untrue. Sometimes people get flamed, sometimes they get no answer at all and in the time they are waiting for an answer they could have found it with a google search or xda search.
If people dont know how to use xda's search then google it. Googling "rooting xperia play" then clicking on the "More results from forum.xda-developers.com ยป" shows all the thread related to rooting posted on the xda xperia play fourms.
I fully understand what you are saying and i personally dont see the point in flaming newbs since at one point we all started there. The Xperia Play was my first android phone so i started off knowing nothing and the reason i never got flamed was because if i needed help i would always google it first then use xda search just incase.
People are only rude to those who ask a question that has been answered before...
You come to the forums unwilling to read anything... Instead you post a thread asking for help that already has a guide out 5 threads down....
Did you expect warm welcomes for being lazy?
Yet you are trying to justify that being lazy is the correct way and everyone else should spend time and effort to search an existing thread and link it to your lazy ass...I got two words for you. **** off =D
You born after 1990?
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that's exactly what he was talking about
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People are only rude to those who ask a question that has been answered before...
You come to the forums unwilling to read anything... Instead you post a thread asking for help that already has a guide out 5 threads down....
Did you expect warm welcomes for being lazy?
Yet you are trying to justify that being lazy is the correct way and everyone else should spend time and effort to search an existing thread and link it to your lazy ass...I got two words for you. **** off =D
You born after 1990?
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The op's point has just been proven.
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it's not rude if I'm delivering it in a friendly tone though
He wanted to bring out the "smart" in us though.. So it's not rude to do what he asked.
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If you don't understand why writing poorly and not bothering to state your problem clearly is a hostile act towards the people who potentially want to help you, I don't have anything more to say about this topic.
If I've been helpful to people in this forum, that's for them to decide. Ask Blagus, Mills, Ashergray, Yifanlu... Perhaps I wasn't of great assistance to them, but they will probably say that I've done what was in my reach to help. And perhaps 117 thanks in my counter, without me ever having developed anything, might mean that perhaps sometimes I may be making myself helpful.
I do not wish to argue further. By all means, rape your language, transform your posts into hieroglyphic loads of nonsense which people have to decipher with a Rosetta Stone, only to discover that it's the same question asked 3 threads below. As you can guess, I couldn't care less. But don't try to subvert what's right (asking for help) and what's wrong (being lazy and impolite).
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So..... when did this become an english language forum?
I don't understand why you get so angry that you have to use our superior language.
There was no point of sending the Spanish Armada (which sunk btw) to simply point someone in the right direction.
I'm not angry that I have to use English. I write much more English than Spanish these days. What makes me unhappy is that I have to decipher poor writing, and it's adding insult to injury when the one who writes poorly is a native speaker. That applies to the three languages I happen to know: Spanish, English and German. Writing your own language poorly is a conscious choice when you're all literate (as you write in forums which requires you to know how to read) and perfectly capable of using proper English (as is the case here, since it's a USAn guy and an English sidekick, and you're from NZ), and choosing to write poorly and making yourself hard to understand is disrespectful towards the people who read you.
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I'm not angry that I have to use English. I write much more English than Spanish these days. What makes me unhappy is that I have to decipher poor writing, and it's adding insult to injury when the one who writes poorly is a native speaker. That applies to the three languages I happen to know: Spanish, English and German. Writing your own language poorly is a conscious choice when you're all literate (as you write in forums which requires you to know how to read) and perfectly capable of using proper English (as is the case here, since it's a USAn guy and an English sidekick, and you're from NZ), and choosing to write poorly and making yourself hard to understand is disrespectful towards the people who read you.
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I agree with this, since people are not writting an SMS there is no reason to write poorly, I actually stop reading the thread at the 3rd line but i saw Logseman reply and got interested
I'm also a "Newbie", my Xperia Play was my first android and I rooted my Play at the first try. You just have to do a quick search and follow instructions step by step. There is always an answer for almost every problem you can have, and if there is a new problem the first ones that will notice are advanced users that will post an answer.
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People are only rude to those who ask a question that has been answered before...
You come to the forums unwilling to read anything... Instead you post a thread asking for help that already has a guide out 5 threads down....
Did you expect warm welcomes for being lazy?
Yet you are trying to justify that being lazy is the correct way and everyone else should spend time and effort to search an existing thread and link it to your lazy ass...I got two words for you. **** off =D
You born after 1990?
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First off no where in my letter did I say I was looking for help. I was only referring to the people who have asked. nor did I say I could not use a search. Yes I am waiting for a one click but because the dev of Verizon version asked if we could refrain from asking for a code and the stuff needed takes to long to download at 76k. No I am not suggesting lazy is the right way however nor is being like you. Is called being nice try it **** bag. And 1980 and if any of the rude inbread ****s cant understand this let me know ill explain it. For the people who have constructive criticism, Thank you for your time.
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First of all I apologise if this suggestion has been already said and discussed. I haven't noticed it in some other thread.
I'm sick and tired of watching 10posters or just spammers to flud developers sections with their idiotic repeatable questions which are already answered in stickies, faqs, etc.
I guess since everyone in our days can buy a smartphone or tablet, this is a situation that we can not avoid that easy. But what we can do is to keep the unworthy out of dev areas at least until the prove otherwise.
10 post count is just rubbish...anyone can just troll these posts out at the OT section and he's done in 2 minutes.
Instead of post count, make it "thanks" count. If anybody has something worthy to say or is a new promising dev he can be "chosen" by the others by his thanks count.
I read many suggestions about dislike/nothanks buttons and such. This is much simplier and imho it could prove much more effective to filter out the noobs and take in the newbies that they deserve it and also can make the mods do their tracking through the forums easier.
Keep the noobs at the general section and out of the dev areas and let in those who have really something good to do or say. Everyone in here, from the users up to developers are trying to help the most they can but Jesus!!! this is not a shelter for retards or something.
I'm trying to remember when it was the last time a saw a proper dev thread not getting noob raped but I don't have so deep memories
Again I'm sorry if this has been said already
+1...ive seen people post stuff like "im trying to get 10 posts" over and over again. this will bring an end to that
but on the other hand, ive seen people with hundreds of posts and only one or two thanks
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+1...ive seen people post stuff like "im trying to get 10 posts" over and over again. this will bring an end to that
but on the other hand, ive seen people with hundreds of posts and only one or two thanks
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That's the point!
Everyone can raise their post count with one way or another. This doesn't mean that they have something useful to contribute. There are members for example 1000 posts and 5 thanks and other members (devs almost everyone) with 100 posts and 500 thanks to say the least.
I haven't seen any noob (at least in the subforums I read ) no matter how old member he is or how many posts he has, to have a high thanks count and that's because he doesn't say anything usefull to actually make other members hit that thanks button.
We got the evaluation variable, so let's use it!
Instead for thanks button to be just a cosmetic in the forums, it can really be used as an evaluation measure.
I think it should be 15 or even 20 thanks
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I actually like that idea. Interestingly enough I've been working on my 10 posts but I've been doing it the right way.I hate spamming and its a shame that people do that.
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The person who rooted the D3 on this board had to spam in a general forum to get his post count high enough to post in the dev forum.
Excellent idea. A huge +1 to this..
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Actually there are still some ppl who can post some usefull thoughts or questions...
Not everyone is a newbie who cant use the search button.
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Actually there are still some ppl who can post some usefull thoughts or questions...
Not everyone is a newbie who cant use the search button.
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Of course there are. But for each new contributing member in here, come other 100 lamers that just want to turn their phone into a space shuttle or something. Those are the ones who make the dev threads unsufferable to follow properly. 1 good post among 50 whining and asking lame things.
Either someone should find a proper way to filter them out of the dev sections or could might as well remove completely this useless 10 post count. It serves absolutely no good.
We have the same problem on the forum I mod at, we lowered it to 5 posts and it's better this way, but still there is no perfect solution.
Right now, I'm stuck in a situation where I want to download a file linked here and I can't until I reach 10 posts, that's pretty frustrating.
It's true that even people with higher post counts don't always have many thanks, but you must also take in to consideration that the Admin/Mods recently added the "Thanks" feature. I already had around 4k post before the thanks feature was added in, and I've helped many people in different sections. It's hard to actually get around the spam on the forum, you just have to hope people have common sense to not post non-sense in the wrong section.
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The person who rooted the D3 on this board had to spam in a general forum to get his post count high enough to post in the dev forum.
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And as a DROID3 owner I'm so glad that he was able to get his post count up so he could post in the developers section. I also understand being frustrated with people who don't search. Even tho i don't post here often I'm here often reading threads so i can learn more about developing. If you make the requirements stricter you may want to have a way for people to bypass said requirements if deemed worthy by a mod.
I would wholeheartedly agree to this, even being new here myself, however I was browsing through 20 or so Q&A threads, and I saw one person thanked for giving an answer. There aren't a whole lot of thanks being given outside the dev forums...
Part 2... spammers making a 2nd account to thank themselves. Slightly more work ending in the same result... and more work for the mods
I've seen this idea raised before, and I love it. 100%.
The only issue is that 'thanks' are completely subjective. Someone may 'thank' a completely useless, inflammatory or derogatory post because it's funny or because they've stated the obvious, but may completely dismiss an actually useful post, with no recognition whatsoever.
Posts, on the other hand, are objective. They're universal. Whether they're **** or not, everybody gets them.
Until the 'thanks' feature gets utilised properly by all users (but remember this is a huge ask) it'll be quite difficult to implement effectively. While the 'I'm getting 10 posts' posts will disappear, the 'Why wasn't I thanked for...' will go through the roof.
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I've seen this idea raised before, and I love it. 100%.
The only issue is that 'thanks' are completely subjective. Someone may 'thank' a completely useless, inflammatory or derogatory post because it's funny or because they've stated the obvious, but may completely dismiss an actually useful post, with no recognition whatsoever.
Posts, on the other hand, are objective. They're universal. Whether they're **** or not, everybody gets them.
Until the 'thanks' feature gets utilised properly by all users (but remember this is a huge ask) it'll be quite difficult to implement effectively. While the 'I'm getting 10 posts' posts will disappear, the 'Why wasn't I thanked for...' will go through the roof.
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Yes you're right, usage of the thanks button is completely subjective and this is obvious all around the forums.
But still, even under those circumstances there is a pattern even if it is a bit loose.
Contributing active users and devs especially tend to have more thanks than the rest of the mass. Maybe this "trend" it could be used in a way to clear out dev forums and keep it this way.
This is how I originally thought of its application and imho I believe it's making more sense.
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Yes you're right, usage of the thanks button is completely subjective and this is obvious all around the forums.
But still, even under those circumstances there is a pattern even if it is a bit loose.
Contributing active users and devs especially tend to have more thanks than the rest of the mass. Maybe this "trend" it could be used in a way to clear out dev forums and keep it this way.
This is how I originally thought of its application and imho I believe it's making more sense.
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You are 100% correct.
Devs and solid members tend to have a much higher 'thanks' count than others. It would be a good way of thinning down the crap in the Dev forums, for sure.
It could even be broadened, so that you had to have X number of posts, and X% of your total post count 'thanks'.
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And as a DROID3 owner I'm so glad that he was able to get his post count up so he could post in the developers section.
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I ended up here too because I have a D3 and wanted to just thank the person who posted about getting root access. Signed up just to do so. But apparently I can't, either because I haven't existed long enough or haven't made enough posts.
I also see people with less than 10 posts posting in the dev forums, asking the same redundant questions that the 10 post limit is supposed to detour. x.x
While I do agree, I don't think it will rid us of the scourge of noobs with entitlement issues. I literally saw someone post and ***** about the 10 post limit saying "I'm a customer of that product and I should be able to tell him what to do" <-- verbatim.
I just don't want to see the kids who think they are entitled to everything, also the thanks being subjective is completely true, I have helped around 50 people total in the past month or 2 and yet only 19 thanks. That proves people really only thank you if they feel like it or if they are actually grateful rather than just "Oh cool some dude on the internet helped me" *leaves xda forever* No, I am not complaining about my amount of thanks, I'm glad I was able to help people regardless, I'm just showing it's completely subjective.
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While I do agree, I don't think it will rid us of the scourge of noobs with entitlement issues. I literally saw someone post and ***** about the 10 post limit saying "I'm a customer of that product and I should be able to tell him what to do" <-- verbatim.
I just don't want to see the kids who think they are entitled to everything, also the thanks being subjective is completely true, I have helped around 50 people total in the past month or 2 and yet only 19 thanks. That proves people really only thank you if they feel like it or if they are actually grateful rather than just "Oh cool some dude on the internet helped me" *leaves xda forever* No, I am not complaining about my amount of thanks, I'm glad I was able to help people regardless, I'm just showing it's completely subjective.
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Thanks Indirect!
Seriously, we had a similar issue on another board of which I am an admin, what we did is put a 50 post count limit on new accounts in addition to a throttle of course for daily limits. It sort of works but the quality of the posts went down significantly.
The thanks idea is better but as stated a few posts above it's really subjective.
Instead of thanks I might suggest reputation levels. When the users rep level is zero or when it hits a new "low" the section moderator can chose to make his perms go to read only. The user can protest and or try and improve on it by helping or keeping in the general sections.
I am not too particularly fond of these types of comments either.
"I didn't need that file jackass!"
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"I need help now because I am Chuck Norris dammit!"
By using that system peers can get pretty mean but it really starts to get people to think about what they post. Everybody has to start somewhere.
That's my 2Cents.
Well, I actually don't like the idea of reputation because on another forum there are "repwhores" and rep becomes kind of like a commidity. I'm not saying that's what will happen here, it's just a chance it could. It happened with alot of the 13-15 year old members and though they aren't common here, that doesn't make it impossible for them to be here. D:
Hello everyone,
well, I've just signed up on this platform. Been using it for quite a while now, but only passively, downloading some great ROMs for my SGSII.
I am a developer myself, so i figured signing up and helping developers find and eliminate bugs. But wtf?
You can't be serious about this. I have to spam 10 "useless" posts before I'm allowed to post something serious???
What really bothers me, is all this "you must not noob around here" talk, though I see countless posts disregarding this very rule. There are posts with one or two sentences, most of them stupid noob questions, which should be avoided, and since there is often everything quoted, those small posts take up to a full screen or even more and bring nothing to the table.
So, from my point of view, a boundary like this one: at least 10 posts for contributing to developer discussions, is plainly ridiculous. It does not prevent newbies from spamming just as much, but it keeps users with serious intentions away.
I thought I had signed up on a developers platform.
If I'm getting something totally wrong, please illuminate me
You know what might help you? Searching before posting. There are so many threads like this that it's unbelievable they still pop up. You are definitely getting something totally wrong here - you don't need to spam to get 10 posts. All you need to do is answer questions in your device's Q&A forums. You claim to be a dev, but the simple fact that you've posted a thread like this makes me highly doubt that. If you really have something to contribute in a dev area, 10 posts should be a walk in the park for you.
Well I don't care what you think about my dev status, and it doesn't really matter, does it.
Of course I've found posts "similar" to that one, but they just end up as a spam paradise, where all new members just try to get their 10 posts.
I really wanted to start a debate here, how counter-productive this rule might be.
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Well I don't care what you think about my dev status, and it doesn't really matter, does it.
Of course I've found posts "similar" to that one, but they just end up as a spam paradise, where all new members just try to get their 10 posts.
I really wanted to start a debate here, how counter-productive this rule might be.
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No point starting a debate because you will inevitably lose. Trust me on this one. In fact, I personally think the 10 posts should be increased to 25. That way, spam is reduced in both the dev areas and other areas(you can't spam to 25 posts without being caught, and thus fewer people reach 25 posts, meaning that there is less useless posting in the dev area).
And also, as for your dev status as you put it, it does matter a fair amount. Should you be a dev and have something to contribute in a dev forum, then why do you find it so difficult to get 10 non-spamming posts?
Well. OK. First up, I meant, it doesn't matter to me if you doubt me being a dev.
Anyway.
I think I wont have problems helping others or answering questions.
Thanks for the input.
But still: you guys seem so eager to protect this forum from spam and trash, but it is still full of it. Much to my own displeasure. Beginning with totally over-used quoting and over-dimensional signatures with blinking animations and what-so-ever.
I would like this forum to be a clean, professional and productive plattform, but even those rules can't manage that.
First of off, Nigeldg is totally right in the fact that 10 posts really isn't hard to get to.
With the 5 minute restrictions in place, making 10 posts can still be done really easily and quickly.
All that needs to be done is for you to go to your devices forum and help out some people there, because as you say yourself there are a lot of noob questions that get asked. If they're noob questions, it really shouldn't be difficult for you to either answer them, or point them in the right direction.
If, on the off chance, there's no threads in your devices general and/or q&a section that you can post constructively in, take a look in Android General and Android Q&A. There's always questions being asked around there which are easy to be answered.
It should also be even easier for you, compared to the average user, if you are indeed a developer. It means that you should have some great knowledge which can help people out.
Now, regarding what you said about threads similar to this ending up as a spam fest, what makes you think this will end differently?
You're right about the fact that a load of these threads end up like that, so surely adding another one (to the big load of them already existing) won't help the cause in the slightest.
If instead of making this thread and simply gaining a few easy posts, you could have spent this time helping people out and been even closer to being able to post where you'd like.
On a final note, the rule is in place because it works. It might not work perfectly, but no system ever will. If the limit doesn't exist, there's too much spamming. If the limit gets put too high, then it'll turn people away.
I'm all in favour of the limit being raised to say 20/25, but if those in charge don't want to make the change, they won't.
Moaning about the rule will not change that, especially considering this topic has been covered more times than I could bare to count.
Closed.
This idea came about from a discussion, in the old requests to mods & admins thread, about dealing with new users across this site.
When I say dealing with new users, I mean how you respond to either posts where the user clearly hasn't searched, the user has done something they shouldn't have done etc etc.
Some users will simply report the members post and leave it down to the moderators to deal with. Some will respond with sarcasm/trolling/flaming. Some will simply give the person the correct information and mention nothing about what they've done wrong and others, like me, may feel the need to rant away at some users.
With me, if someone has done something they shouldn't have done, I won't ever report it. I'll only report a post if it's something serious like racism or illegal content. I'll generally give tell the person nicely what it is they've done wrong and what they should've done instead.
Obviously, doing so won't always work and the new member will continue doing wrong. I'll then PM the member and explain it to them fully away from public view.
However, if I come across a situation where a user has done wrong, and after being told so numerous times even by different people, that's when I'll step in and rant at them. My rants are never harsh and can never be mistaken for such. I simply tell them what they've done wrong and what they should've done, but I write it in such a way where it makes it seem angrier and makes the message sink in.
I'm interested to know what others opinions are on this and how you personally deal with such situations.
I already know that if moderators drop by in here, they'll probably say it's best to use the report feature but I'd like to hear everyone's opinions anyway
what i try to do is tell them as nicely as i can (not really that nice, but i don't flame) where they're wrong. i do realize mods are busy and i avoid reporting until i've given the new member at least a warning. i do report immediately when the issue is serious (ie: spamming in dev threads, warez, etc.).
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I try to point out their mistakes. Then I explain (nicely) that xxx shouldn't have done yyyy. It doesn't hurt to be well-mannered. The member usually realizes his/her mistake and (tries to at least) never repeats it, hopefully.
I usually don't flame anyone.. I just reply them where they should have actually reported or posted it with link to that threads or forums.. and I ask them to post in proper section from next times.. usually using "please" or such words makes it better I feel.. they will feel we are trying to help them not to get in trouble in future and such.. and hopefully they will follow the advice in future..
But if I see same guy after been told does the same mistake.. then I report them..
Also I will report all wrong threads using PM with link to thread directly to our device mod as he is friendly and doesn't mind such PMs..
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Great idea for a thread. I saw a very good post by FallenSpartan that really helped explain in the old mod requests thread, but I can't find it, must have been deleted. Anyways, the bottom line is, the person on the other side that computer could be anyone. For all you know, they could barely be able to speak English, or even have a mental disability . People need to be a little more understanding, trolling and flaming will only frustrate people and confuse them even more. A polite but pointed request to search next time and that the information is out there along with a link to it would be ideal in my opinion. The new users might not entirely grasp the concept of what's going on and how to easily search, and that information isn't exactly readily available. I know it is out there, but speaking from personal experience, I didn't go anywhere outside of my device's forum for quite some time after joining, not that I didn't know how to do those things. Point is, while the idea of searching and finding information for yourself is commonplace to you, it may not be to new users, and I don't think the importance of finding your own information is stressed enough for new members. While you may get angry and feel the need to rant and flame, it won't be nearly as effective at changing the way people act compared to a polite and firm request with the info attached, and possibly even what you did to find the information.
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@cascabel & nitubhaskar - I used to find that reporting would work, especially considering that's what the mods always say is the best option rather than dealing with it yourself, but if I was to report all those who were report worthy, I'd never get anything else done lol.
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
@sgt. meow - I guess with your forum being a fairly quiet forum, there's generally no need to do more than you do, as in such a forum people like that are really easy to notice and take action against if needed.
@prototype - I saw that post by FS aswell and I do agree with what he said. It could quite easily be a disabled person or someone with learning difficulties etc. but as of the time of the rants, I don't think about that because I just think about the fact they've constantly done the wrong thing.
Maybe I should put more consideration into things like that, but I just don't.
And while I do kind of agree that some people may be more open to listening if you actually help them out, as said above, in my experience ranting works.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them. It's only in certain situations that I feel a rant is actually necessary, whether others agree with that or not.
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@cascabel & nitubhaskar -
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them.
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Actually you are right.. it helps them if we say what wrong they did and also give info what they asked in same post.. but I hope they won't feel that, even if he/she did made a wrong/ mistake they will get the quick info they need without any effort kinda feeling..
About mods not giving info on why they delete posts /lock threads.. well considering their busy work I guess its understandable..
But our forum mod The-Captain always kindly leaves a note for user as far as I have seen.. and I send PM only after I inform the newbie most of the times.. so both deeds are done.. lesson reached and reported
About your ranting...
Lol.. no way.. as far as I have seen your posts.. well your patience is pretty high.. ocassionally I have seen you going angry.. otherwise you are kind enough to give info and inform them of their mistakes.. well that's my observation.. excluding your device forum though
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It's in the XDA rules to be nice to other members, whether new or old. So even if noob posts a warez content i never flame or troll him. Yeah, i do wanna give him a scolding but i don't. I'm gonna simply report it. Yes, i do sometimes post a reply or give him a PM, requesting him to remove the content with a link to the rules.
If a user dosen't search :-
Suppose a noob has bricked his phone, and creates a thread asking for help. In many cases of not searching, i advise users to search, but in these particular cases, i give 'em a link to the specific thread too.
If someone (racially) discriminates another user, i simply report him/her. Flaming him with sarcastic remarks might earn me a few thanks, (maybe) suppress the guy down, but it still isn't good for two reasons - one, as it's against the rules, two, as it proves that you're not a bit different from the user.
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How I respond depends on a new users thread, if it's to ask something particular then I'll either not reply or provide a link that's related or helps directly, if it's a new thread asking "how to root", how to unlock the boot loader", "how to install this ROM", "what's the best ROM" (there's at least 20+ threads asking that or similar in the Arc section in the last month or two) or asking about something in an existing thread that they could have just asked their question in, then I tend to be a bit more, how shall I say this, sarcastically direct :silly:, which some People take on the chin, and if they get it then I'll try to be more helpful, but you get the odd one or two who take umbrage then want to argue, needless to say I don't help that kind of user.
People joining here should be of a certain aptitude to begin imo and willing to learn, I'm much more inclined to help a user who has shown a bit of initiative but a lot are just sheer lazy and the amount of things that get asked that could be answered in the stickys amazes me.
But then you still get senior members who act like they've never been here before also, so I'm the same with them too. :angel:
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@cascabel & nitubhaskar - I used to find that reporting would work, especially considering that's what the mods always say is the best option rather than dealing with it yourself, but if I was to report all those who were report worthy, I'd never get anything else done lol.
Plus, the way I see it, if someone gets reported and a mod deals with it, there's generally no explanation as to why their post was wrong. Doing it in such a way that I do, it tells them what others tell them but seems to stick in their mind more because of the way it was written.
@sgt. meow - I guess with your forum being a fairly quiet forum, there's generally no need to do more than you do, as in such a forum people like that are really easy to notice and take action against if needed.
@prototype - I saw that post by FS aswell and I do agree with what he said. It could quite easily be a disabled person or someone with learning difficulties etc. but as of the time of the rants, I don't think about that because I just think about the fact they've constantly done the wrong thing.
Maybe I should put more consideration into things like that, but I just don't.
And while I do kind of agree that some people may be more open to listening if you actually help them out, as said above, in my experience ranting works.
It's not as if I rant at people all the time. That's truly not the case. The majority of the time I'll either help them in the thread by directing them to the right course of action or I'll PM them. It's only in certain situations that I feel a rant is actually necessary, whether others agree with that or not.
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Your ranting works. That's because you've already told them what they're screwing up multiple times and just need to get it into their heads that they can't keep doing whatever they're doing. Ranting without giving any reasoning or advice isn't so effective.
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I mention what they did wrong and just report it or send a pm to a moderator...Don't like making the situation worse
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Well, I always try to understand the situation of the user, I mean on the SGSII forums,for example, I've recognize some users that always post questions instead of search even if the answer it's on the previous page, to them, I ask nicely to search but also I remember that me or some other user told him yet that please follow the rules and search before of post.
In the case of the total newbie users, mostly, I guide them to the thread, post or forum that they need but also, I mention that the rules are clear and need start to search before.
Sometimes I do the recomendation of put (in the next post that they do) where they search or how, if they do it yet, in that way we can give a better help (maybe it's not searching by the right terms or something like that)
I'm totally hate the flame to an user, when I see a post that could be the probably cause of a flame war I report it ASAP. And also, when I see someone flaming I ask nicely to stop because it's against the rules.
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When I first started, I advised them on the said thread itself, giving as much help as I could. I would wait for a response before PM-ing him/her about what they did and how to avoid getting into more trouble. Along the way, I realised that the more I tried to be nice to them, the more they would just step on me and act as if nothing has happened. The final straw was when this one guy, started hurling abuse at me for pointing out his mistake, vandalised my ROM thread and IRC channel. Soon after more and more hate PM's started to arise. Now I don't bother with wrong do-ers. I find them guilty, I report them. If it get's out of hand, I'll give a sarcastic yet hard hitting post that he/she will never forget. I know it's wrong and some of them will hate me till the rest of their days, but I find monkeys like these only listen to a nice warm infraction instead of kind words. Now I just focus on bug related problems in my forum. Common courtesy is eroding in new users everywhere. Sorry, but this is what more than a year in XDA has made me into . No, I will not change my ways
What I do when users keep posting ETAs/refuse to oblige when told politely - I usually post a image showing what I mean.e.g.facepalm for repeated ETA.it seems to work because-
1.the user seems embarrassed on seeing an actual expression of a person in the image e.g.facepalm.
2.more effective than a wall of post.
3.stands out, no need to read.
4.based on same principle of pie-diagrams, frequency polygons, bar diagrams - more attractive, more efficient.
"your lips move, but I cannot hear what you're saying..."
Bumping for mods/admins to get involved
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Bumping for mods/admins to get involved
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I don't think they will.
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I don't think they will.
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I don't think they will either, but it's worth a try.
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And it seemed to work, that bump.
On topic:
Simply abide the rules. If you see someone breaking the rules (e.g. posting warez, flaming, spamming, etc) report it, using the "!" button on the post. The report will be picked up by a moderator and will be registered, in case we need to review afterwards. Of course, if it's a minor offence, a PM to a mod is ok too.
But how to deal with new users who just ask alot of questions and don't know our "netiquette"?
Try a calm approach and tell them to use the Search function ALOT.
Just remember one thing and live by it: We all were newbs at one time.
Good to see this discussion, shows people care.
Big multiquote coming in 3, 2, 1....
nitubhaskar said:
I usually don't flame anyone.. I just reply them where they should have actually reported or posted it with link to that threads or forums.. and I ask them to post in proper section from next times.. usually using "please" or such words makes it better I feel.. they will feel we are trying to help them not to get in trouble in future and such.. and hopefully they will follow the advice in future..
But if I see same guy after been told does the same mistake.. then I report them..
Also I will report all wrong threads using PM with link to thread directly to our device mod as he is friendly and doesn't mind such PMs..
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Using common courtesy will go leaps and bounds to remedy the situation. People sometimes do need a not-so-gentle nudging on how things work, but also a simple Please and Thanks can go much further. Otherwise if you flame them for posting something that has been asked just a few pages back, this place can get the mob mentality and all of a sudden, that one comment has turned into 4 pages of dribble that usually has to be cleaned by us and sometimes results in infractions for 1 or more members. Nobody wants that, right?
****The one thing that everyone should do is put on their way-back-hats and remember is when they were first tinkering with their phone and messed something up. Do you remember that Panic Mode your were in? :crying: Palms all sweaty, reading 5-6-7 pages at a time. Thinking that you just bricked your $600usd device. It sucks big time. I've been there many times (long ago )
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About mods not giving info on why they delete posts /lock threads.. well considering their busy work I guess its understandable..
But our forum mod The-Captain always kindly leaves a note for user as far as I have seen.. and I send PM only after I inform the newbie most of the times.. so both deeds are done.. lesson reached and reported
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We generally try to leave a message as to why a thread was closed or moved. It isn't really a rule but again more of a common courtesy.
Also, The-Captain That guy is a class act. Nice, friendly and efficient. :good::good::good:
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It's in the XDA rules to be nice to other members, whether new or old.
Suppose a noob has bricked his phone, and creates a thread asking for help. In many cases of not searching, i advise users to search, but in these particular cases, i give 'em a link to the specific thread too.
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Actually it isn't in the rules to be nice per se. But Rule #10 does say,
10. Help others if you can
If you see posts from others where you can help out, please do. This place exists because people are helping each other, and even if you are relatively new to the matter, there's probably already quite a few people newer than you that would benefit from what you've learned. Don't be shy.
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Giving a link is great and I do it all the time. But where does that cross the line of you doing their searching for them. I find if it is obscure enough, i will give a link, but the Department of Redundancy Department questions don't get such treatment, if you know what I mean.
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What I do when users keep posting ETAs/refuse to oblige when told politely - I usually post a image showing what I mean.e.g.facepalm for repeated ETA.it seems to work because-
1.the user seems embarrassed on seeing an actual expression of a person in the image e.g.facepalm.
2.more effective than a wall of post.
3.stands out, no need to read.
4.based on same principle of pie-diagrams, frequency polygons, bar diagrams - more attractive, more efficient.
"your lips move, but I cannot hear what you're saying..."
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I have done this more often than not. A simple picture can change the whole attitude of the thread. But not some stupid meme that has a personal attack or durogotory in any manner. I have one picture of a kid sticking a butter knife into a wall outlet and it say "nOOb" on it. Something as simple as that can change the tone and the OP wil make light of it and figure out where he went wrong. Sometimes not though and I have had it backfire on me a few times as well. But then in my next post, I would gently explain why I posted a picture and then guide them in the right direction. Some people tend to remember the visual, so the next time they want to start a thread, they may in-fact remember my picture and not the 4 pages of flaming they received.
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I don't think they will either, but it's worth a try.
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Now you have an SM and FSM.
Edit::: One thing that I forgot to mention was the shear numbers we have here. At any given time there are between 35 & 50k users online. That's huge. If you Google anything about mobile/tablets, XDA is almost always at the top and at the very least top 5. That is some tough numbers we're dealing with.
That's really a big multi-quote! And quite a big explanation!!
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Actually it isn't in the rules to be nice per se.
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I suppose it is under rule #2.5. And also under rule #10, as you stated.
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My goodness lol I know a lot about hacking, my phone, roms ,general troubleshooting and a lot of other things and also a lot about forums and the vermin that live in them. I just don't say much because I never was a forum posting guy I'm a do it my self guy. Throwing "NOOB" around to some guy/girl that just wants to know how to operate or troubleshoot his/her galaxy that he paid a great deal for is b.s. I read countless a** hole replies that don't even answer the question, a lot of the answers are just failed attempts to sound like the "cool" sarcastic guy that sits in the back of a remedial math class. I've been coming to xda since I had a g2 (never registered) and slowly and slowly the community is turning from people that would kind of help you to d**ks with a false sense of entitlement that reply with a totally unreasonable response. Yeah it's common knowledge to a lot of people but some people really don't know what they are doing and don't want a brick and need the help of this lovely community. I'm not ranting its just my opinion on whats CLEARLY going on if you don't like it f*** off and go fly a kite.
I do not support smart guys who constantly ask eta questions though.
The problem I see is that, as you say, these people don't know what they're doing and want the information handed to them.
I've never seen a post get a BAD response when the person clearly outlined their problem and explained what they already knew and why their research wasn't getting them anywhere.
The people that DON'T make posts like that need to do some research - not just have the information thrown at them for their own good. Think about if you just gave someone information on how to build and operate a bomb without them knowing how it worked and how to do it safely. Sure, they're probably not going to lose fingers - but they could brick an expensive device and it's kinder to give some tough love and pointing in the direction of research, knowledge, and understanding before they make a mess that they can't get out of.
In the words of H.P. Lovecraft : "Do not call up that which you can not put down".
Yeah I know what your saying and I agree. Just that some people ask questions live what boxes should I check in Odin, whats a zip lol, should I wipe b4 or after, what original dev, how do I root. Those a simple questions and they are common knowledge to a lot (maybe not how do I root because many things can go wrong if you derp it up). These can get simple responses or links but ppl will post turd responses like noon read the op, we answers that in 2011 look it up, just don't root. Stuff like that I'm not saying go in to depth with a dude asking about something when he doesn't ever know the dos, don'ts and risk. I know I'm not the only one there's threads about it.
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I agree 100%. The thing that irritates the F out of me is the few that run around here acting like they know it all... Then ***** and say search, then like each others post for being asshats to someone who asked a simple question that deserved a simple answer. I do occasionally call them out but it doesn't do any good.
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Lol yeah one guy asked does any one know where I can find the inverted YouTube I'm new.. A did responded Noob you'll find it in a different section. Thank me for the help.
Then a civilized guy posted a link to the apk (which is simple to find for the average user) and said to the guy above something like I think this is what you meant to do but the xda douche in you did not allow it.
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Because they think they are cool when in reality they are more noobish than the person they are replying to. There's a simple if you don't have anything good to say dont say nothing at all...but I guess their mamas didn't teach them that common sense.
For some reason they rather reply being a total dipsh*t than simply IGNORE the post. Don't get me wrong some of the replies Realy are deserving like the ones when the person constantly whines about their problem and want to b*tch aT the dev...most of the time noobs...such as my self just want simply answered because we've search and couldn't find the answers or we found an answers but it pertains to another device.
They probably didn't get much love from high school so wants to be the cool jogs here
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From the moderator
To all in this thread.......
Most of the moderators would appreciate it if everyone were considerate, kind and patient........BUT......... that said,
Some do act with arrogance and inconsideration, ......report them we are here to assist.
Understand that the important responsibilities of a member is to Read enough that they can understand what to ask and how to ask it.
One of the overriding problems with XDA is we (the members) are not from one country, or one culture..so, many have to use Google translator or some other method to post in in English.
This creates an additional layer of misunderstanding, which in turn, makes things even more complicated.
Couple all of this with have a bunch of adolescent kids posting as well..... and now you have described XDA.......
So, with this explanation......it basically means to be patient, polite and considerate and when others begin to troll, or flame report them, this keeps these inconsiderates participation to a minimum
Unfortunately, this is thread is way to prone to escalating a flame-war....
Thank you for posting and "venting" off some of the common frustration we all feel from time to time....
...........THREAD CLOSED..........
~~~ oka1
There is also the thread below that you can link people to regarding their posting attitudes.
Posting Etiquette - Don't Anger a Developer