Hi
Been wondering if there was anyway to emulate or run a virtual win environment on our little tab?
Was thinking along the lines of Xp or Win 7...
Anyone?
DeBoX said:
Hi
Been wondering if there was anyway to emulate or run a virtual win environment on our little tab?
Was thinking along the lines of Xp or Win 7...
Anyone?
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Not possible.
Not running Windows per se, but the Microsoft RDP client on Android linked to a Windows PC works very well.
I don't think we'll ever see the Windows kernel running on the Exynos chipset TBH, at the least it would require virtualization or emulation that would require a lot of coding and in any case Windows would place a much larger overhead on the processors than Android or Linux.
Windows RT, the Microsoft "equivalent" of Android (i.e. designed to run on a low-powered chipset), has not been very well received due to its much reduced command set. It looks like Windows desktop, but it cannot run full-blown Windows desktop applications.
FWIW
Ok, figured I'd ask. I know there were a decent number of virtualisation projects a while back, but usually focused around win98 etc
Though I'd love a stripped xp version on this tab
Could always use Citrix Receiver
could you elaborate a bit?
DeBoX said:
could you elaborate a bit?
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Heres a link all the info is there most probably best to use gotomypc By the same devs though mate.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.citrix.Receiver
Well contrary to the "impossible" brigade... a VM with CPU emulation allows all kinds of impossible feats.
PearPC being an example or VirtualPC on old PPC Macs, etc etc. ! There are of course limitations. But the point is x86 & some basic HW emulation will allow you to run Windows as long as what's being emulated is of good enough spec for the version of Windows you want.
The bottleneck is almost always the speed the CPU emulation runs at, and that depends on both host and target architecture and there are different approaches with different advantages/drawbacks.
I've used BOCHS on my 10.1 (original) to run win98 (slooowly) - and others have got XP running (google is your friend) I chose 98 as it's basically DOS +GUI so I figured it might work better. I've not invested a lot of effort as the emulation and integration of UI elements isn't brilliant (yet).
There's a link here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1389700
There are other x86 emulators like DOSBOX/QEMU running on ARM but as with all emulation it's never going to be as quick as a real CPU! That said some DOS games play well I believe.
I've not tried it on my 10.1 (2014) so can't comment on how it good it is there. Can't see how it would be worse!
YMMV.
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Just a discussion came up and made me wonder if this is even possable. This is the place to ask, so here we go.
All WP7 models seem to run at 1ghz or higher, thinking the concept that WM 6.5 runs pretty well on hardware that runs at 400-528mhz range. Would it be possable to have a emulator that runs on the platform so you can run 6.1/6.5 on a WP7 phone ? This would allow you to be able to run some older apps with still having WP7.
I would not expect intense games (maybe a card game ok) to run at full speed or anything but, things like Remote desktop and other base apps might be ok with this.
This type of thing would run on any phone (with 1ghz+ hardware) just depending on if all the hardware is supported.
Or I guess there might be a way to "shut down" 7 and open 6.5 kind of how Android runs on the TP2.
The emulator idea came up because it might be able to run on any model with minor updates vs. a boot up just for one phone.
Just some ideas...even if it is possable.
Thanks for reading and dreaming (well I am still waiting for a Verizon WP7 phone)
No sorry, the emulator runs on the x86 architecture, not on ARM.
Dave
DaveShaw said:
No sorry, the emulator runs on the x86 architecture, not on ARM.
Dave
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Maybe I'm misreading the original question, but it sounds like he is asking if it were possible to have an app that would run old Windows Mobile apps, kind of like Classic on WebOS.
well at present we (3rd party) developers wouldn't be able to make something like this as all the APIs don't actually exist. someone with knowledge of the whole code base of windows phone 7 could probably do it but i doubt we'll see it happen. if there are programs you need on windows phone 7, it is definitely faster to just have it redone. it's really only the UI that needs redoing, if it was written in VB or C#, a lot of the code will still work.
today I talked about the RT OS with ffriends.Suddenly one said that win8 os pad can run on Windows RT and a RT OS PAD can run on win8 x86！！he is joking ！！Besides，he said he did that successfully for many times。。。。。
seven7xiaoyang said:
today I talked about the RT OS with ffriends.Suddenly one said that win8 os pad can run on Windows RT and a RT OS PAD can run on win8 x86！！he is joking ！！Besides，he said he did that successfully for many times。。。。。
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No it cannot. Your friend clearly lacks the common knowledge that RT is for ARM and windows 8 is for x86. Round pegs do not fit square holes.
I can't really understand your English; did you mean "app" where you wrote "pad"? The fact that Win8 and WRT share apps is well known; there are a few apps which are only for one platform or the other but almost all the apps are available for both. Native code apps need to be recompiled for the other platform, but managed (.NET) and HTML5 apps will run un-modified. This is not news.
If you mean the ability to run some x86 desktop apps unmodified on Windows RT, that's due to mamaich's emulation layer, combined with clrokr's "jailbreak" exploit (and usually netham45's scripts to automate the process). Relatively few apps run correctly through that emulation layer, though, and the new Windows Store apps are not supported. There is no support that I'm aware of for running ARM-compiled Windows apps on x86, although ARM emulators certainly do exist and if you could boot Windows RT on one of them, that would allow you to run the apps (somewhat indirectly).
If you mean actually installing Win8 (or any other x86 OS) on Windows RT, that's technically possible through the use of emulators (not sure DOSbox supports enough CPU features for Win8, but Bochs probably does) but the performance is abysmal.
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I can't really understand your English; did you mean "app" where you wrote "pad"? The fact that Win8 and WRT share apps is well known; there are a few apps which are only for one platform or the other but almost all the apps are available for both. Native code apps need to be recompiled for the other platform, but managed (.NET) and HTML5 apps will run un-modified. This is not news.
If you mean the ability to run some x86 desktop apps unmodified on Windows RT, that's due to mamaich's emulation layer, combined with clrokr's "jailbreak" exploit (and usually netham45's scripts to automate the process). Relatively few apps run correctly through that emulation layer, though, and the new Windows Store apps are not supported. There is no support that I'm aware of for running ARM-compiled Windows apps on x86, although ARM emulators certainly do exist and if you could boot Windows RT on one of them, that would allow you to run the apps (somewhat indirectly).
If you mean actually installing Win8 (or any other x86 OS) on Windows RT, that's technically possible through the use of emulators (not sure DOSbox supports enough CPU features for Win8, but Bochs probably does) but the performance is abysmal.
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sorry for my poor English!:crying:.I meant the os not the APP
seven7xiaoyang said:
sorry for my poor English!:crying:.I meant the os not the APP
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You cannot install Windows 8 x86 directly onto Windows RT hardware. It doesn't work.
You probably saw someone RDPing to an x86 desktop.
netham45 said:
You cannot install Windows 8 x86 directly onto Windows RT hardware. It doesn't work.
You probably saw someone RDPing to an x86 desktop.
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Thank you! I am thinking about the sideloadling the appx,hope for some help
OK, I'm still not sure what you're talking about - just a couple posts up, you said you weren't talking about apps, and now you're talking about .APPX files - but as was mentioned above, most APPX files will be architecture independent (managed code or HTML5); only the native code ones will need different .APPX files for Win8 and RT.
Someone ported Bochs (x86 PC Emulator) to the Surface (h t t p://w w w.windows-arm.c o m/index.p h p/desktop-apps-for-windows-rt/697-bochs-for-windows-rt), and I want to know how to set up Ubuntu 12.10 with it.
It's too slow, just forget about it.
Would a different os work?
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It's too slow, just forget about it.
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I've seen people running Windows XP on their Android phones using Bochs. Could you use a Windows OS?
An old-enough version of either Windows or Linux (or any other OS that runs on x86) will work, but I don't think you realize how slow we're talking about. It's not that you *couldn't* run 12.10 (or the decade-older XP), it's just that they'd be too slow to be of any use. You'll be much better off using native-ported apps, or even Mamaich's emulation layer; unlike emulating a full PC using Bochs, the emu layer only has to translate the program's code; most of its work can be done by native (ARM) Windows code and there's no need to emulate an entire x86 processor (with memory management and so on). Even so, the emu layer struggles with anything newer than about a decade old...
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An old-enough version of either Windows or Linux (or any other OS that runs on x86) will work, but I don't think you realize how slow we're talking about. It's not that you *couldn't* run 12.10 (or the decade-older XP), it's just that they'd be too slow to be of any use. You'll be much better off using native-ported apps, or even Mamaich's emulation layer; unlike emulating a full PC using Bochs, the emu layer only has to translate the program's code; most of its work can be done by native (ARM) Windows code and there's no need to emulate an entire x86 processor (with memory management and so on). Even so, the emu layer struggles with anything newer than about a decade old...
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Aw, man. Oh, well. Guess no Ubuntu any time soon.
Are DOS programs able to run on win RT? I have a Fjölnir compiler I would like to run and it is for DOS. I currently use it on my win98se setup, but I would like to use it on the go.
Qiangong2
Are you running Windows RT 8.0 by any chance? If so you can run the "jailbreak", and DosBox is available:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36620852&postcount=117
I use it quite a bit and it works great on my Surface RT. If this is a true DOS program it should work.
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Are you running Windows RT 8.0 by any chance? If so you can run the "jailbreak", and DosBox is available:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36620852&postcount=117
I use it quite a bit and it works great on my Surface RT. If this is a true DOS program it should work.
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No, I'm on 8.1 I've tried it on dosbox on my Linux setup and it only sometimes works. I was wondering if it is possible to run them nativrly like on win98se
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You could always try it and see, but I highly doubt it. Trying to run it natively via the command prompt you will probably run up against the fact that Windows RT devices are ARM not x86. DosBox masks that by providing a software layer to presents a virtual x86 DOS environment, whereas the command prompt will not and will expect compiled programs to be compiled for the ARM cpu architecture (not to mention digitally signed by Microsoft unless you run the jailbreak). Unless it happens to be a batchfile...
That's odd that it only sometimes works in DosBox... I wonder if some tweaking of the DosBox configuration might be needed... I'm really not much of an expert, but I know there are all sorts of settings that can be changed to suit the program (side note, I think it's awesome that one can set it to emulate a Tandy 1000).
There are rumors that a RT 8.1 jailbreak might finally become a possibility...
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You could always try it and see, but I highly doubt it. Trying to run it natively via the command prompt you will probably run up against the fact that Windows RT devices are ARM not x86. DosBox masks that by providing a software layer to presents a virtual x86 DOS environment, whereas the command prompt will not and will expect compiled programs to be compiled for the ARM cpu architecture (not to mention digitally signed by Microsoft unless you run the jailbreak). Unless it happens to be a batchfile...
That's odd that it only sometimes works in DosBox... I wonder if some tweaking of the DosBox configuration might be needed... I'm really not much of an expert, but I know there are all sorts of settings that can be changed to suit the program (side note, I think it's awesome that one can set it to emulate a Tandy 1000).
There are rumors that a RT 8.1 jailbreak might finally become a possibility...
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It's my company's surface rt, so... I will get the win10rt upgrade no matter what I do
Thanks though
Qiangong2
Qiangong2 said:
It's my company's surface rt, so... I will get the win10rt upgrade no matter what I do
Thanks though
Qiangong2
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Just an FYI but I am pretty sure there will never be a Windows 10 RT. The last I heard Win10 was not coming to RT, but there would likely be an update to give some Win10 features to RT.
I decided to start a new topic 'cause previous one was a complete mess.
So, finally I ran Windows 10 on my RPi 2 and was really excited by the job that MS did for this low cost computer. It was a really easy to run your UWP app on RPi with a little changes; now I'm trying to run my "DOSBox" app on this computer (but DOSBox isn't a simple and straight UWP app, some difficulties still exists).
I still have no idea about practical implementation of the RPi-based Windows 10 computer but, I believe so, it should exist (BTW, I do have very good sample of practical usage of RPi - my another one - it run self-moving web camera (former robot app ), it controlling my X10 lights and switches via web interface (yes, I do have Apache server running on this RPi), this RPi also serving my huge OPDS library.
By the way, it's a really cheap and exciting gadget (you can get it for about $22 on eBay), and the "Last of the Mohicans" UWP developers definitely should take a look to this gadget and platform! Fun guaranteed!
I.ll like to use this with cortana in the car, just for music and vocal commands.
JHey cortana, play voodoo people..... skip song, send message to Sensboston...good job buddy
Or.... https://9gag.com/gag/ad9LqQB
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I decided to start a new topic 'cause previous one was a complete mess.
So, finally I ran Windows 10 on my RPi 2 and was really excited by the job that MS did for this low cost computer. It was a really easy to run your UWP app on RPi with a little changes; now I'm trying to run my "DOSBox" app on this computer (but DOSBox isn't a simple and straight UWP app, some difficulties still exists).
I still have no idea about practical implementation of the RPi-based Windows 10 computer but, I believe so, it should exist (BTW, I do have very good sample of practical usage of RPi - my another one - it run self-moving web camera (former robot app ), it controlling my X10 lights and switches via web interface (yes, I do have Apache server running on this RPi), this RPi also serving my huge OPDS library.
By the way, it's a really cheap and exciting gadget (you can get it for about $22 on eBay), and the "Last of the Mohicans" UWP developers definitely should take a look to this gadget and platform! Fun guaranteed!
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Great project i have about 50 low performance laptops and mini laptops its so good for them
I will try this in next year and I will tell you the result
can you port and install ppsspp on that and tell us the results ?
@augustinionut, yeah, Cortana is cool but you can do this on your handset (never tried but it should work, I believe so). I'm thinking about RPi specific scenario. Yes, I can make a blinking LEDs, it's fun but not very practical
@Ferrybigger, I can try. But I'm unsure about overall performance; it looks like RPi CPU is less powerful than L-950 (and has less memory).
P.S. I also ordered this LCD TFT touch screen on AliExpress, it will add more fun for development
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@augustinionut, yeah, Cortana is cool but you can do this on your handset
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Only that hey cortana dont work on lumia 640xl, and my media bluetooth button dont have win+c command.
I need an app in the background to launch listening cortana.
I found something equivalent: snowwy.
Tried to rebuild and run ppsspp: no luck at all, always getting error 0x800402200 before app's code get execution.
I prefer using Linux for such devices. It's lightweight and flexible. It's easy to use: you can draw on any display with just Bitmap and FileStream. LOTS of drivers! LOTS of programs.
Win10 IOT is not on the same level yet. But it will be someday.
P.S. RPi hardware is garbage.
Yeah, Raspbian is pretty stable and with some configuration tricks (to reduce file I/O access on sd-card) it can work seamlessly for a years (as mine), even with Apache server running on it.
However here I'm talking from the UWP developer position: ability to run your existing UWP app on the extremity low cost (mine costs me $22), portable computer is cool, I believe so.
I can't compare development difficulties for UWP and Linux but some MS public APIs are still ... maybe, not unique but really good, such as map services, easy integration with Azure, speech API and many more. Of course you can find similar packages on Linux but with UWP you already have it out of the box.
P.S. I'm still thinking about "real life" implementation of RPi with W10 but can't find any...
Windows 10 iot core is the os that runs on the raspberry pi. It started out with windows on devices edition on the intel galileo (x86) (2013). The windows on devices edition was probably microsoft's smallest os since windows 95 (only 185mb). The windows iot os has come a long way since then as they have been refactoring the os to include more and more of the apis windows developers know. You can use gdi to paint windows on raspberry pi, and i think directdraw (but have not tried it myself). Porting apps to windows iot core is difficult, but using the remote debugger you can see apis that fail because they aren't included. Once you get around the missing apis issue, you can easily create apps that work directly with hardware, which is something thag's always been difficult with windows ( you used to have to buy a development board ). Using visual c++ to remotely debug drivers is really convenient, as windbg is too difficult.