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Nova 3 > slow and laggy

Hello, i palyed nova on my desire hd and it was ok, a bit laggy. Now i started plaing on nexus 7 and its... more laggy with hiper ultra graphic.... is there any way to turn graphic a bit down? I know on order and chaos its enaught to change optimozation=1 to optimizaton=3 in phonelist.txt but i have no idea for nova. My nexus is all stock.
Smexi-Nexi

What battery life you got when playing? As I find all my games lag under 25-30% really strange
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Its the same with 80 as 25 or 50. Just bad. OR gameloft didnt optimized yet nova 3...
Smexi-Nexi

Gameloft did not optimize the game for Tegra3.
Combine that with the fact that tegra3 has an abysmal memory bandwidth and a weak GPU.
The only reason google chose tegra3 for N7 is because it's the cheapest quad core SoC available.

So i hope in nexus 10 with S4 quad...... but forn now.... didmt gameloft said they will optimize nova3, mc3 and few other games specificly for n7?
Smexi-Nexi

Tarhaomenapuu said:
So i hope in nexus 10 with S4 quad...... but forn now.... didmt gameloft said they will optimize nova3, mc3 and few other games specificly for n7?
Smexi-Nexi
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you gotta root your N7 and install the clemsyn kernel to get the most out of gameloft titles. you don't even need to oc the cpu it's what he has done with the gpu that matters. clemsyn has two different versions a 650mhz gpu that i use and a 700mhz gpu just released either one will make nova3 play with no issues. you can also play asphalt7 with the high rez maps enabled which are off by default. trust me the clemsyn kernels are gaming kernels and they WORK.
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The tegra 3 isn't slow by any means. Its that the game is not optimized at all. Its specifically related to Gameloft games. Phones with weaker gpus run it fine. The tegra 3 has plenty of power to run it.
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runs fine here with any kernel ive tried with the stock, aosp, or rasbean jelly roms. try redownloading the game data.

Sorry but i dont mean changing kernel or rom.... not on freash fully supported device...
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Tarhaomenapuu said:
Sorry but i dont mean changing kernel or rom.... not on freash fully supported device...
Smexi-Nexi
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no, dont change the kernel or rom, try redownloading/reinstalling the game/data.

blackhand1001 said:
The tegra 3 isn't slow by any means. Its that the game is not optimized at all. Its specifically related to Gameloft games. Phones with weaker gpus run it fine. The tegra 3 has plenty of power to run it.
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+1 my gs2 runs it like a champ as well as my buddys metropcs esteem

Ok, ill redownload, i have to change tab due to omfg screen lift anyway.
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darkchazz said:
Gameloft did not optimize the game for Tegra3.
Combine that with the fact that tegra3 has an abysmal memory bandwidth and a weak GPU.
The only reason google chose tegra3 for N7 is because it's the cheapest quad core SoC available.
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ok for memory bandwith,but i don't think the tegra3 gpu is "weak".i can play good games with a power vr 540 on mine 2 gnex,with the tegra3 gpu i have wonderful graphic,especially with tegra optimized games.honestly s3 mali apart,i think geforce ulp is the best ATM .don't think adreno 225 is better that ours..only a rivisited 220 with directx support.and the fact of have tegra optimized games for me it'a good think.i was totally unsatisfied with tegra2 Soc,but with tegra3 in a device like n7,i'm good to go.i play nova without problem,not have like op sad

sert00 said:
ok for memory bandwith,but i don't think the tegra3 gpu is "weak".i can play good games with a power vr 540 on mine 2 gnex,with the tegra3 gpu i have wonderful graphic,especially with tegra optimized games.honestly s3 mali apart,i think geforce ulp is the best ATM .don't think adreno 225 is better that ours..only a rivisited 220 with directx support.and the fact of have tegra optimized games for me it'a good think.i was totally unsatisfied with tegra2 Soc,but with tegra3 in a device like n7,i'm good to go.i play nova without problem,not have like op sad
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Yeah, and the tegra 3 does a great job with the 2d rendering of android 4.0+. The adreno accelerates very little of the interface and the Mali (friends epic 4g touch) while fast was never as smooth as my nexus on cyanogenmod even with that low res screen.
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Nova 3 and most other Gameloft games have always run like dodo on my N7 and Prime (both tegra 3 devices), its not your hardware, custom kernels do help a little but not nearly enough to provide an enjoyable game experience, I'm gonna assume most who say Nova 3 runs fine with no lag, are more casual gamers rather then hard core gamers, this group generally accepts that anything over 15 FPS is "smooth gameplay to them", which is hardly smooth to me, as i'm in the group labelled hard core gamer. To me smooth is 60 FPS and above, the higher the FPS the smoother the gameplay is gonna feel, also micro stutters/freezes and pauses is not smooth, the term smooth is subjective...granted there isnt a FRAPS type utility for android however if you are a experienced hard core gamer you can generally estimate the FPS your getting, Nova on my N7 along with most other Gameloft games I'd say runs anywhere between 15- 40 FPS, if it was optimized it would alot smoother much like shadowgun dead trigger run, or Dark Meadow on the Unreal 3 engine.

casual gamers or hardcore gamers like you,when a person play a games and say that it's smooth,it's smooth and stop,i don't know why we should be hardcore gamers only to see if a games lags or not.Anyway i'm triyng few games of gameloft (not tegra optimized) and i admit that nova 3 it isn't perfect,need a bit of optimization yet.on mine gnex instaed runs very well,with power vr sgx 540 overclocked at 512 mhz

New Anti-Lag Apk
djkinetic said:
Nova 3 and most other Gameloft games have always run like dodo on my N7 and Prime (both tegra 3 devices), its not your hardware, custom kernels do help a little but not nearly enough to provide an enjoyable game experience, I'm gonna assume most who say Nova 3 runs fine with no lag, are more casual gamers rather then hard core gamers, this group generally accepts that anything over 15 FPS is "smooth gameplay to them", which is hardly smooth to me, as i'm in the group labelled hard core gamer. To me smooth is 60 FPS and above, the higher the FPS the smoother the gameplay is gonna feel, also micro stutters/freezes and pauses is not smooth, the term smooth is subjective...granted there isnt a FRAPS type utility for android however if you are a experienced hard core gamer you can generally estimate the FPS your getting, Nova on my N7 along with most other Gameloft games I'd say runs anywhere between 15- 40 FPS, if it was optimized it would alot smoother much like shadowgun dead trigger run, or Dark Meadow on the Unreal 3 engine.
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I recently put together an Anti-Lag mod of this game which you can download form here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L40UZCTDC0

[Q]Gangstar vegas

I watched a video of gamplay but on note 2 and S3 runs only on high graphics there is no very high like in nexus 4 and xperia z and other devices like s4 and htc one. Are the note 2 and S3 out of dated, and is the MALI-400MP so bad it cant run this game which graphic is simillar to GTA Vice City on the maximum like the other devices? I dont play alot of games but this is stupid those devices are 6-7 months old and they are out dated or this is only made by gameloft cuz they sux in optimising there games for the smartphones with exynos processors. What is your opinion?

*Gameloft logic* no one can understand it
btw note 2 can handle the game better than most of the devices including Nexus 4 and XZ

My mistake Snapdragon S4 cant run it on Very High too (adreno 320) So it looks like gameloft failed again like asphalt 7 and also not optimising games for tegra 3.

Tried To Run This Game On Captivate
I have tried to run this game on captivate on stock rom, it was running on it with low graphics(but Lagging), but it was playable. Is there any way to run it without lag. by installing some custom rom or anything

Gangstar Vegas suks...
I was so disappointed by the graphics, it looks hideous on my note 2 even with edge enhancement and color correction(via perseus kernel)...The draw distance is terrible as in trees and houses just pop up within a really short radius,The textures suck bad,this is more noticeable because the character model is really good(with edge enhancement),The size is crazy for the quality of graphics
Basically don't waste your space,money or bandwidth for this game until someone or gameloft(motherfuks) fix this nonsense of a game...

The game was just downloading and reached 800MB and by seeing your comment I feel like stopping and deleting the game..because I dont want to waste all that space for a game not being good(just on note 2)
Gameloft so disappointing nowadays..Note 2 has 2GB RAM+1.6Ghz qaud-core+Mali 400MP and runs on 4.1.2 so how comes they provide better quality to phones like nexus 4 which has only 1GB RAM and is slower than note 2 in every aspect
Hating Gameloft for their useless and unpleasant policies in supporting devices
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GTA Vice City have better graphics and run with 60 FPs on maximum graphics, maximum resolution 100% draw distance. So gameloft must optimise their games first and then to put them in the playstore.

mufaddalezzi said:
The game was just downloading and reached 800MB and by seeing your comment I feel like stopping and deleting the game..because I dont want to waste all that space for a game not being good(just on note 2)
Gameloft so disappointing nowadays..Note 2 has 2GB RAM+1.6Ghz qaud-core+Mali 400MP and runs on 4.1.2 so how comes they provide better quality to phones like nexus 4 which has only 1GB RAM and is slower than note 2 in every aspect
Hating Gameloft for their useless and unpleasant policies in supporting devices
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Nexus 4 1gb ram? Slower? Ahahaha :laugh:
Deal with it. Note 2 have Mali-400 which is the worst ( i didn't said the slower) gpu ever. Rendering colors at 16bits isn't good ..

YES! there is
harsharjeria said:
I have tried to run this game on captivate on stock rom, it was running on it with low graphics(but Lagging), but it was playable. Is there any way to run it without lag. by installing some custom rom or anything
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To play this game without lag on gs3 i9300 i installed cm10.1 and there was no lag at all it was like gta vc but i hate the controls of gangstar vegas

Instalk cm10.1 and iverclock if kernel supports it wont lag
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Not sure what you saw & what device it was on but the graphics in Vegas are MUCH better than any ofbthe GTAs including the newest San Andreas. Its make GTA look very dated. Though even on my HTC One M7 the draw distances are horrible & things just pop up as stated. Its obviously a coding problem because its the same weather on very high or medium graphics. So its just poor all the time. If it was the device being pushed to hard lowering the graphics would improve things it does not. But as long as your not in a vehicle moving fast its butter Smooth even on very high on the M7. But again its no where close to the GTA games the textures, models, & lighting are significantly better in the Gangstar game. I own both & play both.
wowrlz123 said:
I watched a video of gamplay but on note 2 and S3 runs only on high graphics there is no very high like in nexus 4 and xperia z and other devices like s4 and htc one. Are the note 2 and S3 out of dated, and is the MALI-400MP so bad it cant run this game which graphic is simillar to GTA Vice City on the maximum like the other devices? I dont play alot of games but this is stupid those devices are 6-7 months old and they are out dated or this is only made by gameloft cuz they sux in optimising there games for the smartphones with exynos processors. What is your opinion?
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Hope that gangstar Vegas gets optimised more in future
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[Q] GPU-heavy Android games to test Adreno 305

Dear fellow S4 Mini guys,
I have bought this wonderful device a week ago, and since then it gave me nothing but usability comfort and modern smartphone awesomeness (I think its part High-end and part Middle-end (namely PPI and GPU are of the middle-end. You are welcome to discuss this though).
Being a mobile gaming junkie, the first I did is fire up a latest PPSSPP and playing some PSP titles, and I am still amazed at how the ARM cores have matured over time, Qualcomm Krait 300 (and 400 that started to appear just right now) and ARM Cortex A15 currently being state-of-the-art.
However, my grudge is against the GPU, which is less important to platform emulation than it is to native Android games. While it is enough for any game I actually play on S4 Mini, it is showing its middle-end teeth on the games like Iron Man or even Vice City. And I started to wonder what this Adreno 305 GPU is actually about. I've been for quite some time apart from recent 3D Android titles, and have seldom spare time for checking anything that is downloadable to figure out for myself.
So I wanted to know what games are the most GPU-intensive and demanding so I could test them and get a grip on the general GPU performance of S4 Mini. Not that it would change anything, but once the curiosity starts to spread... From Youtube videos I know that N.O.V.A. 3 runs quite good.
Thank you in advance, and you are most welcome to discuss the general performance of our device and your notes on performance of specific games.

Roguenova said:
Dear fellow S4 Mini guys,
I have bought this wonderful device a week ago, and since then it gave me nothing but usability comfort and modern smartphone awesomeness (I think its part High-end and part Middle-end (namely PPI and GPU are of the middle-end. You are welcome to discuss this though).
Being a mobile gaming junkie, the first I did is fire up a latest PPSSPP and playing some PSP titles, and I am still amazed at how the ARM cores have matured over time, Qualcomm Krait 300 (and 400 that started to appear just right now) and ARM Cortex A15 currently being state-of-the-art.
However, my grudge is against the GPU, which is less important to platform emulation than it is to native Android games. While it is enough for any game I actually play on S4 Mini, it is showing its middle-end teeth on the games like Iron Man or even Vice City. And I started to wonder what this Adreno 305 GPU is actually about. I've been for quite some time apart from recent 3D Android titles, and have seldom spare time for checking anything that is downloadable to figure out for myself.
So I wanted to know what games are the most GPU-intensive and demanding so I could test them and get a grip on the general GPU performance of S4 Mini. Not that it would change anything, but once the curiosity starts to spread... From Youtube videos I know that N.O.V.A. 3 runs quite good.
Thank you in advance, and you are most welcome to discuss the general performance of our device and your notes on performance of specific games.
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I'm not sure which game will really stress the 305, but the games I have tested work flawlessly with steady fps:
-Battlefield Bad Company 2
-Asphalt 7
-Asphalt 8
-Dead Space
-Modern Combat 3
-Modern Combat 4
-Riptide GP2
-Shadow Gun
-GTAIII
-GTA Vice City (works but got car/screen freezing though)
-Gangstar 4 Rio
-Gangstar 5 Vegas
-Need for Speed Most Wanted
-Mass Effect
-Street Fighter IV HD
-Sim City
-He-Man
-Kairo
-N.O.V.A 3
-Drastic NDS emu
-ePsxe PS1 emu
-Sine Mora
-Sonic 4 Episode 1 & 2
-Robot Unicorn Attack 2
-Respawnables
-CSR Racing 2
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-The Room
-Virtual Tennis - World Tour
-Puddle HD
-Call of Duty Black Ops - Zombies
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FIFA 14
-Leisure Suit Larry Reloaded
-Rayman Jungle Run
-Carmageddon
-Worms 2 Armageddon
-Breach & Clear 2
-DosBox Turbo incl. various dosgames and Windows 3.11 Enterprise.
-Don't run with a Light Saber
-Ravensword
**Test purpose only, i do not play these games**
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Thanks, I'll check out some of these games tonight.
However, from my experience with 2011 Xperia Play I can state the following:
Dead Space, Shadowgun, Mass Effect and Need for Speed Most Wanted will run flawlessly on anything even remotely more powerful than Adreno 205, which is considerably behind Adreno 305.
Btw, I forgot to add that Carmageddon, GPU-accelerated mode of FPSE and N64oid run flawlessly as well. But I believe they are not GPU-demanding enough to push the limits of S4 Mini.

Take a look at a game called "The Room". Quite fun as a puzzle game and looks quite nice.
Seem to hit some snags here and there. You determine if it's poor optimisation or if it's just GPU-intensive.
Another game that looks quite good from the screenshots (don't really play fast-paced games on my phone) is a game called Galaxy on Fire 2 HD (it's free).

Galaxy on Fire 2 HD isn't supported on the I9195 though

Whosat said:
Galaxy on Fire 2 HD isn't supported on the I9195 though
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Oh really, well that sucks. I'm able to download it on my I9190.
Edit:Just finished downloading. Confirmed working on I9190.
I wonder why it isn't supported on the I9195.

Eradica said:
Oh really, well that sucks. I'm able to download it on my I9190.
Edit:Just finished downloading. Confirmed working on I9190.
I wonder why it isn't supported on the I9195.
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Yes it is indeed weird. I've emailed the developers and their reply:
Thank you very much for the report, that Galaxy on Fire 2 HD is not available for your Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini LTE, we'll forward it to our development team in order to let them check this issue and whether the game should be compatible with this device.
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nova 3 does not run
JMailuhu said:
I'm not sure which game will really stress the 305, but the games I have tested work flawlessly with steady fps:
Battlefield Bad Company 2
Asphalt 7
Asphalt 8
Dead Space
Modern Combat 3
Modern Combat 4
Riptide GP2
Shadow Gun
GTAIII
GTA Vice City (works but got car/screen freezing though)
Gangstar 4 Rio
Gangstar 5 Vegas
Need for Speed Most Wanted
Mass Effect
Street Fighter IV HD
Sim City
He-Man
Kairo
N.O.V.A 3
Drastic NDS emu
ePsxe PS1 emu
Sine Mora
Sonic 4 Episode 1 & 2
Robot Unicorn Attack 2
Respawnables
STR Racing 2
nova 3 says device not supported
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That is in "your case" through the playstore yes. If you get the APK from other sources, you can install it. Basically most games that say "Not Compatable" are compatable anyways.. it's just the playstore that thinks your device is not supported.
Beware that if you have editted your build.prop and your DPI, playstore can also have compatability issues because its 240dpi for this device.
Also I'm not listing games if they do not work, obviously!
NOVA3 just works fine.
note: My list has been updated!
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Try out Ravensword. Runs on the unity engine but graphics are pretty good! It's been described as skyrim for Android, minus the largeness.
P.S. it should still be available as part of the humble bundle. humblebundle.com

Dungeon Hunter 4
is dungeon hunter 4 running fine? some reviews say it lags
edit: and dark knight rises as well

I'm playing galaxy on fire 2 hd without any lag
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305
I have Xperia M (Can't afford more than that) , it also have Adreno 305 , i can run games like Dead Trigger , Shadow Gun , Real Racing 3 ,Asphalt 7 and 8 and the game runs pretty smooth , too bad i can't play games like MC4 and NOVA 3 cuz of its internal size . Nevertheless , its a good GPU :good:

iKlutz said:
I'm playing galaxy on fire 2 hd without any lag
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Yes! They finally removed the restriction on the GT-I9195!

Whosat said:
Yes! They finally removed the restriction on the GT-I9195!
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Yeah but note that you need to force 4x MSAA in developer options to make it play.
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[Q] Gaming performence

Is this nexus 7 adreno320 better for gaming than the tegra 3 version? Does nexus 7 2013 lag on gta vice gta 3 gangstar vegas asphalt 8?

ian619420 said:
Is this nexus 7 adreno320 better for gaming than the tegra 3 version? Does nexus 7 2013 lag on gta vice gta 3 gangstar vegas asphalt 8?
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Lag may be due to limited storage capacity.
I had lags in my N7'12 but once i cleared some space, Asphalt was smooth!

Nexus 7 (2013) is about twice faster in games over 2012 version. (google benchmarks, everything is here)
Adreno 320 is crushing Tegra 3 pretty badly, and better CPU helps with that too.

[Q] N7 gaming problem

Hi guys !!
I have a problem with my new nexus 7(2013). When I play GTA VICE CITY on N7 on full graphic the game runs slowly. Then I play GTA VC on my old nexus 7 (2012) and the game runs without any lagg. What's wrong
Rom: 4.4.2
No root.

GTA games are not optimised for Adreno GPU's due to Nvidia's Tegra douchebaggery.
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So.. Can't I play GTA games on full graphic on my new N7 ?

pogo_01 said:
So.. Can't I play GTA games on full graphic on my new N7 ?
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You can ,but it will be very laggy. Optimization is not the best part in GTA games for Qualcomm's devices.

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Ok, but GTA VC loads faster as that nexus 7 2012.