I got a Nexus 7 (2013) for Christmas (non-LTE, 32gigs), but I'm not sure I want it. I already have an HTC One (Verizon, so who knows if and when I'll get KitKat), and suffice it to say, it's just a better device, spec-wise. The only reason to keep the Nexus 7 is for the tablet form factor and a 3 inch larger screen (which isn't that big of a difference). So I figure I should ask people who know better: What can I do on a tablet (or do more comfortably on a tablet, e.g. such and such game) that I can't do on my super slick HTC One? The only examples I can think of is the Commander option in Battlefield 4 and that Xbox SmartGlass will supposedly be cooler. Please try to convince me to keep the Nexus 7! Any advice is appreciated.
Whether or not you keep it should be up to you. I personally love having both my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7. Yeah my 5 is faster and better on the go, but I like the larger screen when I'm sitting at home or watching movies when I'm out, and the battery naturally lasts a lot longer.
So I'm not going to try talking you into keeping anything, but for some of us 2 devices are better than 1.
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I have a HTC one and I am thinking of getting a nexus 7. They are different devices serving different purposes, I am planning to use my 7 for reading(not books but feedly), movies, some games, Skype. Yes, those cane be done on One, but hey, with a bigger screen, everything becomes so comfortable.
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Since you already have it, keep it
You can use your tablet when you are at home browsing with wifi and occasionally playing games.
This is what I do with my n7
I have an Optimus G Pro, and an N7. I use them both in conjunction with each other, whether it be through Google sync with documents for college, or just plain watching movies, and browsing the web on the N7.
My OGP has a 5.5inch screen, and still the N7 seems like a monster compared to it. In all fairness, I usually use the NFC capabilities of both devices extensively, whether it be for web pages, or files that need to be transferred. I personally love the combo, and plan on keeping this duo, until the GFlex hit's the United States or Project Ara kicks off,.. Whichever first
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Whether or not you keep it should be up to you. I personally love having both my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7. Yeah my 5 is faster and better on the go, but I like the larger screen when I'm sitting at home or watching movies when I'm out, and the battery naturally lasts a lot longer.
So I'm not going to try talking you into keeping anything, but for some of us 2 devices are better than 1.
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This.
I have the HTC One and I jumped on a Nexus 7 deal last month because I found myself using my dad's iPad more than my laptop while around the house. Now, I pretty much exclusively use my Nexus while at home. The One is hands-down the device to take with you if you're and about, but the Nexus is perfect for home use (it even fits in back pocket while walking around my house).
I use my One pretty heavily over the course of a day, so the battery is pretty drained after work. The Nexus can go days on a charge, so it's ready for the trade-off when I get home if haven't kept my phone on a charger. Unless I need to talk to someone, the Nexus covers pretty much all forms of communication. I set up MightyText on my devices so I can text from my Nexus (or browser) through my One.
It's true, the Nexus isn't as well-spec'd as the One, and I'd even say the One's speakers are better, but for the price, screen, performance, dev community, and ergonomics, I feel that the two complement each other extremely well.
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Thanks for the replies, everyone!
Of course keep it. Forget the specs, the N7 is a beast and handles everything you toss at it just fine. Plus, you can never have too many cool devices. Case in point- me. Not counting my actual computers, I have a Moto X, Nexus 5, Nexus 7, Dell Venue 8 Pro, iPad Mini, and a Microsoft Surface Pro, and I use all of them fairly regularly. The N5 and N7 are the ones I use the most though.
Tbh, n7 looses very little to One performance-wise. I mean if you oc to 1.7 you get pretty much the same performance as the chip set is close to identical.
As everyone else here has been posting out, they're for different situations and uses. The real question is whether or not you feel the need for a tablet.
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I just got my Nexus 7 (Christmas present) & really like it so far. It was by far easier to unlock/root/install custom rom & kernel than my htc evo 4g lte. I have an Ultrabook but wanted something smaller when I just wanted to hop on the interwebs or check scores. IMO, you should keep it.
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I have a HTC one and I am thinking of getting a nexus 7. They are different devices serving different purposes, I am planning to use my 7 for reading(not books but feedly), movies, some games, Skype. Yes, those cane be done on One, but hey, with a bigger screen, everything becomes so comfortable.
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Same here exactly...just today got the Nexus 7 and I already had the HTC One. The One screen is too small for browsing and such for a longer period of time on the couch. The Nexus fills that gap between the One and the stand-alone PC.
You ask this question as if they are similar devices. Keep it! I have both, and it's awesome.
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One thing that hasn't been added is that it's like having two batteries when travelling. I recently didn't have my tablet for a flight and it's so annoying, having to moderate usage to save phone battery.
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I got a Nexus 7 (2013) for Christmas (non-LTE, 32gigs), but I'm not sure I want it. I already have an HTC One (Verizon, so who knows if and when I'll get KitKat), and suffice it to say, it's just a better device, spec-wise. The only reason to keep the Nexus 7 is for the tablet form factor and a 3 inch larger screen (which isn't that big of a difference). So I figure I should ask people who know better: What can I do on a tablet (or do more comfortably on a tablet, e.g. such and such game) that I can't do on my super slick HTC One? The only examples I can think of is the Commander option in Battlefield 4 and that Xbox SmartGlass will supposedly be cooler. Please try to convince me to keep the Nexus 7! Any advice is appreciated.
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Definitely keep the Nexus 7. You will not regret it. The truth is that a tab!et will open up a new and exciting part of android that you haven't seen yet. I JUST bought a Nexus 7 yesterday and already have a galaxy S4. I do a lot of my work from my phone and I cannot believe I didn't do this earlier. It is an entirely separate class of device and you will! Understand later why I am saying now that a question of either or is not a sensible question. At least give yourself some time with it to elite first. The nexus eerience is quit a bit different t as well. I'm not saying that one is better than the other,,, what I have quick!y realizes is that they are Twp entirely different devices with vastly different purposes,
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Asphalt. I'm a WAY better driver on my N7 than my HTC!
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How can you say that going from 4.7" to 7" isn't a big difference?
It's a massive difference when you're doing tasks that require bigger screens for more comodity such as web browsing, streaming media and playing those games that benefit from bigger screens (specially web browsing and streaming media really).
Also, you already have it, it's not like you have to buy it so I would say keep it. Only reason I would not keep it would be if I didn't really need the 7" form factor and could use the extra cash from selling the Nexus.
Otherwise the Nexus does everything the HTC One does but "better", because of it's bigger screen. Spec wise, I can't believe you see a difference because quite frankly you won't. Maybe on heavier games where a smaller screen tasks the GPU less but other than that, nuh huh.
And for the record, switching to the CleanROM 2.6 that is available here, I got my Antutu score from 20k to 25k which is just the same as the HTC One pretty much.
I would leave the Nexus 7
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I got a Nexus 7 (2013) for Christmas (non-LTE, 32gigs), but I'm not sure I want it. I already have an HTC One (Verizon, so who knows if and when I'll get KitKat), and suffice it to say, it's just a better device, spec-wise. The only reason to keep the Nexus 7 is for the tablet form factor and a 3 inch larger screen (which isn't that big of a difference). So I figure I should ask people who know better: What can I do on a tablet (or do more comfortably on a tablet, e.g. such and such game) that I can't do on my super slick HTC One? The only examples I can think of is the Commander option in Battlefield 4 and that Xbox SmartGlass will supposedly be cooler. Please try to convince me to keep the Nexus 7! Any advice is appreciated.
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<------ Click "more info" (if you're on a browser) then guess what I'm going to say. :silly:
I had two HTC Ones and a Note 10.1 when I got the original N7 just as a "cheap toy" to play with. Surprisingly, I found that I could find a purpose for a 7" device even though I already had a phone and a 10" tablet. Then I bought a 2013 N7.
...I say keep it. The more gadgets the merrier! :highfive:
I have the One and the Nexus 7. For my use I use the N7 when I'm at home because of NHL Gamecenter/twitter and just general browsing because the phone is too small for extended use. Not something I'd take out with me in public unless I needed to. Both compliment each other well.
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I am considering buying a note or a nexus what you think is the best at the moment? Or maybe other phones??
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Depends. What is more important to you and which phone will cater best to your needs.
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I am considering buying a note or a nexus what you think is the best at the moment? Or maybe other phones??
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I never used the Note, but i just wen to its website and I would prefer the Galaxy Nexus (I own one) because f many factors: The note screen is 5.3 inches big, this is not a phone. Its a small tablet nd its to bif for me. The difference seems to be more software related. Software can work on any phone, some one only have to make it.
Also, they probably sell the stylus for 50 bucks.
I would consider the galaxy nexus over the note as well. IMO the note is too big for a comfortable size phone, and still too small to watch videos.
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I would personally have gone with the note, but now have a gnex because i am on verizon and the radios dont work well together.
Gnex has been great though and I certainly dont regret it. ICS is great and I think that touchwiz is really annoying personally.
The reason I wanted a note was because the screen size since I have large hands, and because the battery life.
But Gnex actually has a better screen in my opinion, cause it has a higher pixel density 316 ppi vs. Gnote's 285.
To me it really majorly depends on what will feel most comfortable in your hands, and what carrier you are on.
Also if people say the note's processor is faster they are likely comparing it with quadrant, an app not optimized for ics
Always Nexus because of Google updates and huge dev community
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They might have similar specs but for me they don't serve the same market. 5,3" is so much bigger than 4,65" that it's not "pocketable" anymore for many people.
Go into a store, pick up a Note and judge for yourself if this "phone" is something you want to carry around every day. For me that was all it took to pass on the Note and buy the Nexus.
I was convinced that I was going to get the Note. I do a lot of work in documents, terminal editor, and the browser and would have loved the extra screen space. Plus, the Note has a microSD slot. Then I found out that the radio does not currently support both T-Mobile US HSPA+ bands and I would be limited to EDGE. No way...
The other concern that I had was that this is sort of a niche device and I was concerned that the ROM support would not be there like it will be for the GNex. Coming from the N1, I have to feed my crack flashing addiction.
I still have some remorse over not getting the Note, but the GNex is truly a great phone. I've been cleaning out my N1 so that the kids can use it to play games and such on wifi (sometimes tethered to my GNex) and realized how SMALL it is and how clunky the gingerbread ROM feels now.
Currently have PA 3.1 Galaxy Nexus. I love it. Thinking I should get a tablet. Even though I just bought a laptop. Which one though. I'm thinking nexus 10. What are your thoughts.
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Do you want a big tablet? I personally prefer the 7-8" form factor as it's easier to handle and carry around. Or you can wait a few months, I imagine Google will be releasing a new tablet during I/O in may.
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Hmm.. I would compare the latest ipad vs nexus 10.
I think i would go for a nexus 10. Android lover , aka the NEXUS *****
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If I were to replace my Motorola Xoom tablet now, I would get the nexus 10. Although with a tablet its a purchase that lasts you quite a long time. My Xoom is 2 years old and is still functioning perfectly fine for all my tasks.
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Galaxy Note 10.1 or note 8.0. Software is good and so is specifications
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Once you go Nexus....
I got myself a Nexus 10. Felt right. Feels right.
I also share 18t's point of view.
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My Xoom is 2 years old and is still functioning perfectly fine for all my tasks.
I also own XOOM (running TeamEos 4.2.1 155 nightly build) and am perfectly happy with it; however, I also got the itch for latest and greatest, and bought an N10 (running stock 4.2.2 stock and rooted) and love it as well.
If you're a GED fan, you can't go wrong w/ N10.
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Do you want a big tablet? I personally prefer the 7-8" form factor as it's easier to handle and carry around. Or you can wait a few months, I imagine Google will be releasing a new tablet during I/O in may.
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This is a good thing to keep in mind, if Google keeps with their annual update yearly on Nexus line, the N7 and N10 could be having updated versions rolling out. Or perhaps something completely different. Perhaps they don't plan on updating them at all.
That said, for a tablet you have to consider a few things you want. First what size do you want? Then what do you want to do with said tablet? What accessories do you want for your tablet? What is your budget? What OS do you want (perhaps you want a different OS, to experience different apps from a different ecosystem)? What sort of connectivity do you want (HDMI, 3G/4G...etc)? These all could point you to different options.
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This is a good thing to keep in mind, if Google keeps with their annual update yearly on Nexus line, the N7 and N10 could be having updated versions rolling out. Or perhaps something completely different. Perhaps they don't plan on updating them at all.
That said, for a tablet you have to consider a few things you want. First what size do you want? Then what do you want to do with said tablet? What accessories do you want for your tablet? What is your budget? What OS do you want (perhaps you want a different OS, to experience different apps from a different ecosystem)? What sort of connectivity do you want (HDMI, 3G/4G...etc)? These all could point you to different options.
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All valid points. Very much a nexus fan. Can't put a price limit on great tech. Android os obviously. Doesn't matter which one as root and custom ROM is a must. Size doesn't matter. Haha. WiFi connectivity is fine but 3 or 4g is an option too. Really just wanted to know what the census was out there.
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Ask yourself, what you want that tablet for?
After buying mine, i find it kinda under used...
I don't need a tablet, but it would be good for the whole family, especially video call and acting as an HTPC. I've decided that it must be able to play HD videos smoothly and have physical HDMI output. This unfortunately rule out the Nexus 7 which I really like the form factor of. The Nexus 10 is overkill for my needs.
So I probably will pick up the Kindle Fire HD, but seem the rom development progress slowly and Amazon OS seems dreadful from an AOSP user. But the price point and HDMI output make it the main contender.
Maybe I'll just go for the Asus TF300T since it's only $50 more used, but I have Asia tablet in the past, good hardware but the proprietary charging port is a turn off.
I'm not ruling out Chinese tablets with rk3066 cpu as well.
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Currently have PA 3.1 Galaxy Nexus. I love it. Thinking I should get a tablet. Even though I just bought a laptop. Which one though. I'm thinking nexus 10. What are your thoughts.
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I use my phone a hell lot more than I use my tablet. My nexus 7 feels like a big phone that cannot make phone calls. I have all my games on it though.
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Galaxy Note 10.1 or note 8.0. Software is good and so is specifications
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same here. i at least had the gn10.1 until two weeks ago. sold it and got a ATIV 500t.
i love the spen and the multiwindow is wonderful on the note. i may end up selling my nook hd+ later and get the gn8. i hate that i've become a samsung fanboy, but until someone else makes something better it's what i'll be getting. don't get me started on asus tablets quality control...
so, spen was more important than screen res for me.
Well while looking for a suitable 7" tablet, I went ahead and picked up a Kindle Fire HD and is underwhelmed even after rooting it. Unfortunately the ones on display at WorseBuy are in demonstration mode which lock down everything.. But I didn't want to spend more than $200. Other choices I looked at were:
-Nexus 7 is out of the question due to no HDMI out. I knew this device would be perfect except for this one factor.
-I could order some pretty high performance RK3066 chip Chinese tablet for under $100, but skip them because they have poor built quality, lots of people with battery and charging issues, sketchy to no warranty and probably not much development.
-Other choices available are the Nook tablet which I'm impressed with the high res screen, but quick search shows CM10 currently perform poorly on it and having to fork out $40 for an HDMI adapter.
-Same with Samsung and Asus tablets which also use proprietary ports and needing adapters purchase that I dislike.
-The Acer A110 tablet almost match with what I want with the bonus of microSD slot, except the for horrid screen quality and low resolution. There were the Lenovo tablet which seems to have nice build, but $300.
Main reason to get the Kindle Fire HD was the stereo speaker and standard usb and hdmi ports. Interestingly, this device have the same CPU spec as the Galaxy Nexus, yet the XBMC hardware accelerated test build playback movies smoother on my Nexus than this tablet which stuttered even with 720p MKV videos. This might be a deal killer, but its due to the poor optimization done by Amazon. Probably the only hope of my keeping this tablet would be for a working CM10.1 version for it. My disappoint of the performance of this device is mainly due to the software itself, the hardware are good. Its my first experience with Amazon AppStore and I think its junk compared to the PlayStore(though I know I can side load the PlayStore to this). It seem to be a wall downed garden like Apple, except in this case the interface sucks too.
I am very happy with the quality when connected to the TV however, along with stereo speakers, screen quality and front camera and mic for video calling is nice.
I have a Xoom running cm10.1-nightly now, if I would need to buy a new tablet I would go for a Nexus 10.
Multiple users is probably the best thing that has happened for Android on tablets. The only way to be guaranteed to have this feature is to buy a Nexus.
7" might be too small, but you might get used to it over time.
Well I returned the Kindle Fire HD and got the Nexus 7, naturally. Just fed up with the 'Amazon OS', and even after making my own 'fastboot cable' to be able to boot the device into fastboot mode and install TWRP, installed PlayStore, the device is still very limited and looks like there aren't much developers interested. My chance of ever buying another Amazon device is zero because of their locked down OS design. Too bad because it have a better screen, speaker and seem more durable than the Nexus 7 with hdmi out.
I also saw an Asus Memo Pad Smart 10 for $299 at the store with Tegra3 also, it use standard microUSB port and standard micro-HDMI out and microSD slot, amazing combo, its very rare to find a device with all these standard ports without all the proprietary craps. But being 10" its just not as portable and comfortable for me. I'm just getting the Nexus 7 to be sure I'm happy with the software and developer community, but I'm definitely checking on the development of this device also.
I own both and would like to sell one.
im either going to have an iphone5 and nexus 7
or a Gs4 and ipad 3 combo.
Please note I own all 4 devices at the moment.
So far from my testing with emulators the gs4 beat the nexus 7.
but play store app ran about the same with the nexus 7 being faster to load a few games half a second faster.
I LIKE TO HAVE OPTIONS BY HAVING BOTH OS.
which combo I should go with for my gaming?
Just my .02 cents...if you're going to sell off devices, do so so that you're left to deal with only one app/os ecosystem... It'll save you from having to buy the same apps twice and syncing capability would oughweigh any advantage of leaving one toe in the water. But hey, I'm just the old guy who believes in simplicity... I don't want to think about my cell phone and tablet as much as most people seem to want to...these devices are supposed to make our lives simpler...not more complex
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Personally, I'd go for a complete ecosystem deal. Jailbroken iDevices do have access to emulators. By choosing them, you aren't choosing against having emulators, but it will be a bit more of a hassle to get them working the way you like. It'd probably be easiest to leave the iPad on the latest jailbroken iOS version, while updating the iPhone to the latest.
However, the whole jailbreak game is the reason I left the iDevice ecosystem. It was a constant game of cat and mouse- I never owned my phone, and it never stayed the way I wanted it fully. It was a constant process of having new iOS versions released, then a tethered jailbreak comes out, so I have to be paranoid about crashing my phone or something, then finally an untethered one comes out, then you wait for your jailbreak apps to update to become compatible, then the next iOS version comes out. It's awful. If Apple allowed the jailbreak community to do what they want and offered support, much like Google often does, then I likely would still be using iOS.
When I had an iPhone 4 and Nexus 7 2012, the devices synced together miserably. Google's apps on iOS mostly suck (such as Chrome and the gmail one, and Apple's mail client isnt that great for Gmail), so things like open tabs, bookmarks, or anything like that just wouldn't sync. I found that I eventually began to use my Nexus 7 almost exclusively, only using my iPhone to text and call. Otherwise, I'd just have it tethered to my tablet.
In the end, I'd check what devices you are using more. While I am no Apple fan, they do make fine devices, so if you like their devices more there's no shame with going with them. If you're truly using both ecosystems a lot, and don't want to lose that, then my recommendation is the GS4 + iPad. The aspect ratio and screen size on the iPad make it much easier to use as a tablet. The GS4 will have nifty features such as texting from the desktop and custom software keyboards. The iPad will get the "high-end" games that Android often does not, while the GS4 will go great with something like a MOGA for emulated games, and be fast enough to push almost all older consoles well. The GS4 will also likely be your music player, so the expanded storage will be a godsend. You could also buy an extended battery, like the Zerolemon one, and get 3x the stock battery life.
The biggest reason I switch to Andriod was for the bigger size screen.
All my apple devices are jailbroken. And the reason i still have my iphone is because some app are 10x better on ios.
ios gets all the high end games while Andriod has the better emulators.
I use Sixaxis app on Andriod and Blutrol on ios so controllers are not an issue.
Most games I play are free and on both os and have cloud save.
Music I dont really care.
So now you know why I want to have both os.
Just trying to see what will fit better for me.
But i wanted ya thoughts on the matter.
I'd kill myself if my phone was from Apple. I could use an iPad tablet for leisure easier then a daily iPhone.
Sure keeping a single Eco system would be easier but I often thought of having an Android phone and a iPad for games.
However I do like Android and troubleshooting my gfs iPhone reminds me enough to stay away.
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S4 & nexus ftw
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From a purely gaming point of view you are better with keeping the iPad. That is def the best gaming systems among the 4. So I guess I'd go with GS4 and the iPad.
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IPhone 5&n7 definitely, n7 best gpu on tab atm
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Well I would go with the s4, and iPad I hate having different os types but that's for you to decide, iPad 3 is probably the best of all the iOS devices (other than iPad 4) and iPhone 5 is complete junk compared to the gs4.
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GS4 and IPAD thats a no brainer
I'm strongly considering GS4 and maybe the new ipad (5) when it comes out. (ipad 3 is getting outdated)
My only dislike on the GS4 is the lack of screen support for it. Like Real Racing 3 looks awful on both GS4 and NEXUS 7 running max graphics because the never updated for the screen resolution. Game looks very pixelated.
Hopefully with 4.3 out Android can get all the top-end games on it.
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I'm strongly considering GS4 and maybe the new ipad (5) when it comes out. (ipad 3 is getting outdated)
My only dislike on the GS4 is the lack of screen support for it. Like Real Racing 3 looks awful on both GS4 and NEXUS 7 running max graphics because the never updated for the screen resolution. Game looks very pixelated.
Hopefully with 4.3 out Android can get all the top-end games on it.
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Id do GS4, N7, and Ipad3. Different form factors and all.. In fact I am doing that now except substitute GS3 for 4. Since I got my N7, my ipad is getting lonely though
I love having an android tablet and an iPhone for my phone. The selection of games on iOS is staggeringly better than on Android. Gaming on my iPhone 5 is awesome and watching/listening to media and reading books on my Nexus is awesome.
Not sure why game development is ahead on iOS vs. Android (besides maybe simplicity in differing screen sizes), but the iOS devices get the cream of the crop for mobile gaming.
Just my observations of being on both OS's. I love emulation on the Android side much more, so if you are really into emulators, stick with Android for that.
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Not sure why game development is ahead on iOS vs. Android (besides maybe simplicity in differing screen sizes), but the iOS devices get the cream of the crop for mobile gaming.
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bc we are cheap-asses
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bc we are cheap-asses
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Hehe . I own a solid amount of software on both ecosystems. Mostly on iOS, but tons on Android too. It is a whole lot of fun living in both worlds at the same time. So many things Android does so much better than iOS, especially if your life revolves around Google services. There are so many things (mainly with games) that Apple has going really strong too. I just can't choose one exclusively.
I will say this though... as an Android user since Froyo, Jellybean is the first version I feel should be considered stable and retail. A real version 1.0 of Android if it was subversioned like that. I absolutely love 4.1 - 4.3. Great work here Google!
Hey guys, so I'm going Tablet hunting and have come down with 2 leading candidates, the Pipo M7 Pro, a Chinese Tablet. or the Nexus 7 (2013).
The only thing that worries me is the development. As a Flashaholic I'd like a tablet with decent dev support, and I haven't seen any dev support for the Pipo M7 Pro.
Now, the Nexus 7 Multi touch and GPS/random reboot issues have me here at bay, making the debate a bit more intense.
I'll probably use my tablet for reading, school related work or gaming/listening to music (rarely though, I'll probably have my Galaxy Nexus for that which works fine really(or a Nexus 5 by the time it comes out ))
Any recommendations/Opinions/Point of views will be appreciated.
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Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.
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Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Mostly every blog I've read mentions it. But I guess I'm just on that "unlucky and unconventional" part of the internet.
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Been thru quite a few "shows" ... the TF101, the 2012 Nexus 7 & now the 2013 Nexus 7...
I still don't hesitate a bit to buy one. Heck, I even wish there is a refurbished sales right now.
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Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.
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So it is a hardware issue? And not software related?
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Your guess is as good as theirs right now....
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
Nutsonfire said:
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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Thank you for your opinion.
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Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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First,
I agree with the above line in bold.
Second,
If you aren't in a hurry to buy a tablet, I'd wait to see what the TegraTab and the LG G Pad 8.3 end up being like. That's what I'm going to do when I return/exchange my N7 flo for the 3rd time. I'm on my 2nd one now, so hopefully the 3rd try will be the the charm! I expect both those options to be more expensive, but if either of them is within 100 of the 32gb N7 flo (as long as it's 32gb or 16gb with a microsd), then I'll probably give it a shot.
Third,
If you absolutely want a tablet right now, I can't recommend the N7 in good conscience. Having had two with the same exact issue(multitouch), I would say the odds are pretty good that you'd get one with the same issue. That said, if the N7 is what you like and you don't mind potentially returning/exchanging it, get one. Just be sure to buy from somewhere with a good return/exchange program. I've had pretty good luck with Best Buy so far, as well as Amazon. I'd choose Best Buy if there's one near you for ease of returning/exchanging, i.e. no wait time.
Good Luck!
Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.
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I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.
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Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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They are not, but fans of Chinese stuff like to go crazy about them and use them to compare with brand name products. If I see two products with similar scores I would expect similar function but clearly it's not the case.
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I had Asus Infinity TF700T before, but I was very disappointed about the build quality and the lagging of the device. I hated that tab every moment. I didn't install custom rom because it required unlocking the device and loosing the warranty. So I sold it and bought Pipo M7pro.
I like the screen and size of the tablet and this is much faster and smoother than Asus TF700. Also the build quality is better than on Asus, which had loose screen even repaired three times for warranty.
Multi window feature is pretty cool! Check the video from youtube.
I'm really satisfied of this cheap Chinese tab!
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So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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I think the Chinese phones and tablets may have some issues but then again so do other phones. In my opinion it is best to wait for a very comprehensive review before you buy. And only buy from a near-by supplier that is willing to take it back if it is faulty, do not buy direct from China because it is unlikely to get your money back, plus the shipping costs and customs would make it uneconomical to return items.
For example, a year ago I bought a Chinese phone, with superb specifications. It seems to have two faults (at least). First, it is very fussy with the SD card, many applications do not work with it and especially GPS Navigation applications that store huge maps on the SD card. Secondly the GPS receiver is either broken or simply very, very bad. My dedicated Garmin GPS, my wife's iPhone4, my son's Samsung S3 : they all lock on to the GPS almost instantly. The Chinese phone needs to be absolutely stand still for like 5-10 minutes before it can lock on. Completely useless in the car for example, I have to stop the car, and then wait 5-10 minutes so it can lock.
Someone said above that high-end Chinese phones and tabs use Qualcomm and Samsung parts and not their own. Well, no **** Sherlock! That qualifies as one of the most idiotic statements I have read. Every single electronic device in the world uses parts made by various/hundreds of other manufacturers. This has always been the case. I would not expect the Pipo M7 Pro to have components made by Pipo - and it does not matter anyway. My Sony VAIO laptop does not use a "SONY" CPU, or chipset, or GPU, or memory, or capacitors, or resistors, actually I doubt that a single component inside my laptop is actually made by Sony, except perhaps the badge!!!
I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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RKight said:
I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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Here's a problem for those with N7 Pro : the speakers crackle at high volume.
Do not buy M7 Pro
OK I guess finally I may have something to help after getting so many helps from this nice forum.
I live in China and I'd say I'm quite familiar with Chinese tablets and nexus devices. (proud owner of both types) I've yet to find a Chinese native brand tablet that marches either Nexus 7's build quality or OS stability. (always search for teardown pics before decision) Usually they have small problems here or there, but you don't have a bug list and workaround thread in a good forum simply because they don't have enough users.
There are worth buying Chinese tablets though. They are usually much cheaper than Nexus 7, don't have fatal problems, have good user base and forums to post workarounds of those small issues, and recently they start to come in so many varieties of screen size. (there used to be a time when they are mainly 7" widescreen, before the mighty Nexus 7's arrival.)
IMHO if you prefer 7" tablet, just grab the new Nexus 7. If not, don't buy M7 Pro for the following reasons:
1 Rockchip is not as friendly to devs as its rival SoC company Allwinner. I can find unofficial CM10.2 on AllWinner platform but I find almost nothing on Rockchip;
2 RK3188 seems strong, but in practice it's not a good chip for HD "Retina" display due to poor design choice of a single channel 32bit memory controller, which results a memory bandwidth that nearly kills GPU performance. BTW that's just a fraction of bandwidth compared to the new Nexus 7. I heard the GPU performance is so poor that even stock launcher can't go butterly smooth.
However RK3188 + a 1024*768 display is fine.
Summary: don't buy RK3188+HD display like the M7 Pro; strongly recommend new Nexus 7
correction: No Chinese SoC performs well on 1080p display. I'd guess 720p is the limit.
Hope it helps
With all the screen issues, I'm very hesitant to buy a Nexus 7. Actually, I'd buy two; one for my wife and one for me. But, there seems to be no fix in sight for the all the screen issues. I'd rather have an 8 inch screen than a 7 inch screen, but I have no idea whether Google will produce a Nexus 8 in the next six months or so. And, Dell has their Venue 8 available for sale. It's screen resolution may not be as good as the Nexus, and it uses a dual core instead of a quad-core CPU. But, for web surfing, email, watching videos, it seems to do pretty well.
Wondering what forum members thoughts are. Will probably wait a little while and see if there are any negative reports on the Dell in the next few weeks. (All existing buyer reviews are pretty positive.)
Why do you need 8 inch? You should either buy 7 inch or 10+inch if you ask me, anything more than 7 inch is NOT portable, if you want a multimedia device to use at home don't buy 7 inch tablet. I don't have any screen issues, i think you should give more thought on what you need.
I have no idea why so many people think Google is going to make a nexus 8 when there is a nexus 7. They're not going to make a tablet from 5 to 10 just to satisfy every person who wants an obscure sized tablet. If Google ever makes 3rd nexus tablet choice it'll be larger than the 10 not in between 7 and 10.
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It's a hit or miss. Why not go to your most trusted retailer and test a couple out then pick the best screen you can find.
I don't have any issues with my unit.
Not sure what "screen issues" OP is referring to. Been using mine everyday for little over a week with no probs.
Bought one at Sams' Club last night and the screen has no issues.
Dakura said:
Why do you need 8 inch? You should either buy 7 inch or 10+inch if you ask me, anything more than 7 inch is NOT portable, if you want a multimedia device to use at home don't buy 7 inch tablet. I don't have any screen issues, i think you should give more thought on what you need.
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I can only guess that you don't know the physical size of the 8 inch is the same as the 7 inch, there's less screen border on the front.
Wubbz said:
I have no idea why so many people think Google is going to make a nexus 8 when there is a nexus 7. They're not going to make a tablet from 5 to 10 just to satisfy every person who wants an obscure sized tablet. If Google ever makes 3rd nexus tablet choice it'll be larger than the 10 not in between 7 and 10.
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I guess people think there will be Nexus 8 because of the pic released by Google a few months ago. It was quickly photoshop'd to a Nexus 7 after the roar on the net. Since Google actually took a picture of someone using what appeared to be a Nexus 8, a number of people, including me, expected Google to release a Nexus 8 sometime.
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Not sure what "screen issues" OP is referring to. Been using mine everyday for little over a week with no probs.
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There's a nine page thread entitled Potential Touch Screen Fix. This forum is full of Nexus 7 2nd gen touch screen problems. It looks a hardware grounding issue. Some people are on their fourth and fifth units and still having the problems.
I'm glad your's has worked well for one week and another poster's has worked well for one day, but this seems to be a hit and miss issue. Plus, many people notice the problem after having had the unit a while.
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It's a hit or miss. Why not go to your most trusted retailer and test a couple out then pick the best screen you can find.
I don't have any issues with my unit.
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That seems to be the only real option. At least buying locally means you won't have to mail the unit back if its defective. You only have to return it to the store.
Unless, you want the additional geography of an 8 inch screen. I guess waiting seems to be the best bet.
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There's a nine page thread entitled Potential Touch Screen Fix. This forum is full of Nexus 7 2nd gen touch screen problems. It looks a hardware grounding issue. Some people are on their fourth and fifth units and still having the problems.
I'm glad your's has worked well for one week and another poster's has worked well for one day, but this seems to be a hit and miss issue. Plus, many people notice the problem after having had the unit a while.
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Gotcha, I guess I will just cross my fingers and hope that I don't experience any of the same issues. I will go ahead and look that thread up though, to at least familiarize myself with them in case they do arise. Thanks!
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I have had 2 with screen issues. The first one was extremely bad. 3 spots that didn't register touches practically at all. And the second one had touch issues and rebooting when the tablet was in a case. I was very disappointed. I am going to get a hp slate 7 extreme that runs the tegra 4. I play games often and the tegra 4 beats the snapdragon in gaming. The 1 gig of ram is still fine for the hp since kitkat is going to be running on it. The screen resolution is lower than the 7 v2 but it's still better than 720hd. The 7 v2 was my first choice but I feel that I gave Nexus 2 chances with their product and they failed.
Certainly don't wish anyone difficulties with their 7. In fact, the more positive current sales turn out to be, the more likely Asus has fixed these issues during manufacturing.
My wife and I have had a pair of Nexus 4 phones for over a year, and both are performing flawlessly. I guess we're looking for the same kind of reliability with a 7-8 inch tablet.
I'd love for Google to come out with a Nexus 8, like in the "old" screen shot. And, seeing what happens in the next few weeks seems like the safe bet.
Neither of us is a gamer, so we don't need the speed gamers require.
Mine made in August 2013, totally fine.
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The new Nexus 7 is my favorite device ever, and I use it hours a day even after months of having it. I'm actually glad I didn't get the LTE version because then it would never leave my side (tempting though, since TMobile offers free data for tablets).
From what I've seen on my Dell Venue 11, Windows 8 is nowhere near as easy to use or as useful as Android. It actually pisses me off sometimes, for well-known issues like battery drain and control panel. PM me if you want more thoughts on the Dell Venue.
dmkozak said:
There's a nine page thread entitled Potential Touch Screen Fix. This forum is full of Nexus 7 2nd gen touch screen problems. It looks a hardware grounding issue. Some people are on their fourth and fifth units and still having the problems.
I'm glad your's has worked well for one week and another poster's has worked well for one day, but this seems to be a hit and miss issue. Plus, many people notice the problem after having had the unit a while.
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Hi -- I've had my unit since October and I've had absolutely zero problems with it. :3 I bought it from Best Buy.
LG GPad 8.3, Google Play Edition.
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Is these issue's still happening on the Nexii 7 2013? I want to buy one myself.
I got a Nexus 7 (2013) for Christmas, it was purchased from Best Buy. I already have an HTC One, and I have to say -- the Nexus 7 keeps up fine, despite inferior specs. And my HTC One feels so very small now. It only beats the Nexus 7 in sound. I was reluctant to open up my Nexus 7, I gave a lot of thought to returning it for the credit, but I'm glad I kept it now. Go get a Nexus 7!
And today's current rumor, from various component suppliers, is the Nexus 8 will be introduced this summer. (Background comments are that Google is disappointed in the sales of the current Nexus 7.)
Currently, the choices are Nexus 7 (2013) at $269 for 32 gb; LG G Pad 8.3 at $299 (street price) for 16gb but w/SDHC; or Dell Venue 8 at $179/$209 for 16/32 gb but w/SDHC. The Dell has less dense screen, but equal to the rest of the competition, and twin core CPU which is more than capable for videos.
I don't know how to "convert" std G Pad to Google Edition w/less bloatware and quicker OTA updates. If the OTA updates along from LG, and LG doesn't modify them, then the question becomes how much of delay in getting them from LG rather than from Google.
If either LG or Dell comes up with sweet deal, that might be the way to go. I'll have to keep my eyes open.