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Should i get a kf or kfhd ? Or yu think theres a better option ?

I need a 7" tablet, a cheap one and dnt know wich to get .... you think there gonna be a way to unlock te kfhd bootloadder soon?
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xXreptar said:
I need a 7" tablet, a cheap one and dnt know wich to get .... you think there gonna be a way to unlock te kfhd bootloadder soon?
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Well I don't know what you're looking for on a tablet, but currently the 1st gen would be the best to get I think considering the price. Don't buy the $160 2nd gen model, you would have to find one on eBay or Craigslist.
The devs on here are coming closer everyday to getting ROMs for the kfHD, so if you want all the new and exciting features that Amazon had to offer go for that.
If you want an open device that is amazing, then I would go with the nexus 7. It has most of the same specs as the kfHD, but is pure vanilla Android with a few bonus features for the same price.
There's my rundown on things. Hope this helps!

xXreptar said:
I need a 7" tablet, a cheap one and dnt know wich to get .... you think there gonna be a way to unlock te kfhd bootloadder soon?
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The KFHD is nice as far as specs go, minus the lack of immediate expansion via an SD slot, but KF1 has a robust development community. One problem with the KF1 though is it is aging in a fast moving technological world. It will be hard for it to keep "keeping up" with the ever expanding hardware requirements. Well, any piece of computer related gear is going to be outdated quickly.
If you want something "cheap" without bells and whistles, the KF1 is a good buy currently. The KFHD will be unlocked sooner or later although in a year the KFHD will be old news and something much superior will then take the stage. The Nexus 7 looks pretty sweet and that's what I would buy if I had money lol
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guitarman2010 said:
The KFHD is nice as far as specs go, minus the lack of immediate expansion via an SD slot, but KF1 has a robust development community. One problem with the KF1 though is it is aging in a fast moving technological world. It will be hard for it to keep "keeping up" with the ever expanding hardware requirements. Well, any piece of computer related gear is going to be outdated quickly.
If you want something "cheap" without bells and whistles, the KF1 is a good buy currently. The KFHD will be unlocked sooner or later although in a year the KFHD will be old news and something much superior will then take the stage. The Nexus 7 looks pretty sweet and that's what I would buy if I had money lol
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Agreed, wanted the nexus 7 but my gf got me one of the last kf1 for my birthday, I hated it until I found this website.

Barb3r said:
I hated it until I found this website.
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The KF1 stock is a setback compaed with present tablet technology. If one is used to the common features of many tablets currently (camera, mic, BT, copious amounts of memory and being a non-slave device) it sure is hard to grasp the stock Amazon experience. I remember when I first got the KF1 and thought it was pretty sweet as stock.
The reason for me saying this was because the only other tablet I had experience with BEFORE I had the KF1 was a horrible El cheapo WM8650 7" resistive screen running Froyo. That thing claimed to have an 800MHz CPU but sure didn't act like it. If the battery lasted 3 hours I felt lucky. I have a Samsung Android phone that runs Froyo and has 256MB of RAM just like the WM8650 and that phone will out perform that tablet anyday! So when I got a Kindle I felt lucky but eventually was tired of the limitations of the stock software.
Ok....maybe back to the topic at hand. I can understand your frustration with a stock Kindle lol
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please save your money and buy a nexus 7. Its got good hardware and community support.

Yeah get a nexus 7 or if u can save more buy nexus 10
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Yeah get a nexus 7 or if u can save more buy nexus 10
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Whats the rsp of the 10 ?
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I do agree the nexus7 seems to be top of the line, however it does have a few downfalls that would steer me away from it (and did) 1- no rear facing camera 2-no landscape mode and 3 - no sd card slot. I would recommend a samsung galaxy tab 2 7.0 it has all the above features and is priced comparable to the nexus 7 and imho it would be the better tablet also the 8 gb version of the nexus 7 is no longer available forcing you to buy the 16 gb version which is more expensive with LESS FEATURES .....hope this helps i got my daughter the samsung galaxy tab 2 7.0 8 gb version for Christmas and both of us couldn't be happier. the galaxy tab also has a feature on it that's called ir blaster that allows you to use it as a universal remote all of this and the fact i only paid U.S. -175$ (retail i believe is around U.S. -199$) i think the samsing would be a better deal for features and price.
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xXreptar said:
Whats the rsp of the 10 ?
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Buy what you want, for gaming nexus 7, best quality kindle fire hd? More features samsumg galaxy tab, see that the kindle fire hd is faster than the samsumg.
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Personally, I'm kicking myself for not buying a nexus 7. Here's my point of view: the Samsung one has a camera on both sides and an SD card slot. I don't really need either. The KFHD has stereo speakers and an HDMI port. I thought they would be handy but it turns out those features are not terribly useful to me either. The nexus has crap speakers that can be fixed with a free volume app, landscape mode is locked but there's a free app for that as well. You can't plug it straight into the TV but that's also not much of an issue, because you can send it to a Roku box, or a Google TV add on box. What really takes the cake for me is, even the wifi only nexus 7 has GPS. A nexus owner can carry his tablet around the house, doing his reading, texting, and redditing; then walk right out to the car with it and drive across the country with sat-nav powered by tomtom while pumping your mp3s through the car stereo. All the while enjoying having the latest version of android.
PS. Kindles don't natively read epub files, which take up 1/3 the memory of Amazon's mobi format, without downloading a 3rd party app like moon plus or aldiko.
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I agree w/ some others on here, nexus7 is a better buy! KF1 is still kind of awesome in its own lackluster way though.
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Pipo M7 Pro vs Nexus 7 (flo)

Hey guys, so I'm going Tablet hunting and have come down with 2 leading candidates, the Pipo M7 Pro, a Chinese Tablet. or the Nexus 7 (2013).
The only thing that worries me is the development. As a Flashaholic I'd like a tablet with decent dev support, and I haven't seen any dev support for the Pipo M7 Pro.
Now, the Nexus 7 Multi touch and GPS/random reboot issues have me here at bay, making the debate a bit more intense.
I'll probably use my tablet for reading, school related work or gaming/listening to music (rarely though, I'll probably have my Galaxy Nexus for that which works fine really(or a Nexus 5 by the time it comes out ))
Any recommendations/Opinions/Point of views will be appreciated.
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Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.

z0phi3l said:
Nexus 7, most of not all the "issues"with it are a very vocal minority, overflowing a small problem, of it were half as big an issue as they try to make ir to bbr, ir would be all the blogs
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Mostly every blog I've read mentions it. But I guess I'm just on that "unlucky and unconventional" part of the internet.
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Been thru quite a few "shows" ... the TF101, the 2012 Nexus 7 & now the 2013 Nexus 7...
I still don't hesitate a bit to buy one. Heck, I even wish there is a refurbished sales right now.

danvee said:
Small, yes.
Vocal, yes.
Very real, though. And, to some degree, acknowledged by the powers that be at Google...
The people posting, including myself, have been through 2-3 of more N7 2013s.
It's the luck of the draw. It may only effect a few percent, but over the multi thousands sold, it's a percentage that needs to be taken seriously.
If you purchase one, be sure that it's from a seller offering a good return/exchange policy.
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So it is a hardware issue? And not software related?
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Your guess is as good as theirs right now....

Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.

Nutsonfire said:
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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dpaganello said:
This Pipo M7 Pro isn't a fastest tablet in the world and after a bit of customizations is in real world usable. The screen is impressive, good battery, very good Wi-Fi and the firmware is stable. I don't regret my (old ) Nexus 7
M7 is great for browsing internet, reading books and multimedia but not too suited for video games.
I am satisfied but not enthusiastic.
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Thank you for your opinion.
Nutsonfire said:
Chinese stuff is just not up to par as brand name stuff yet. Their specs look great, benchmarks are great, but in reality they are far far apart when you use both side by side.
I have a Ifive X2 with a RK3188 and it lags like hell, battery is good, screen is nice, but real world performance is just awful. Since I got my Note 8 from repair, I dont use the X2 at all anymore.
For the small price difference it just makes no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7.
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Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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First,
I agree with the above line in bold.
Second,
If you aren't in a hurry to buy a tablet, I'd wait to see what the TegraTab and the LG G Pad 8.3 end up being like. That's what I'm going to do when I return/exchange my N7 flo for the 3rd time. I'm on my 2nd one now, so hopefully the 3rd try will be the the charm! I expect both those options to be more expensive, but if either of them is within 100 of the 32gb N7 flo (as long as it's 32gb or 16gb with a microsd), then I'll probably give it a shot.
Third,
If you absolutely want a tablet right now, I can't recommend the N7 in good conscience. Having had two with the same exact issue(multitouch), I would say the odds are pretty good that you'd get one with the same issue. That said, if the N7 is what you like and you don't mind potentially returning/exchanging it, get one. Just be sure to buy from somewhere with a good return/exchange program. I've had pretty good luck with Best Buy so far, as well as Amazon. I'd choose Best Buy if there's one near you for ease of returning/exchanging, i.e. no wait time.
Good Luck!

Jimlarck said:
Thank you for your opinion.
Pipo is a pretty good Chinese company, we're not just talking about those ripoff chinese companies you find on Ebay, and I have used Rockchip based devices and can vouch for them, they're not as bad as you say.
So your "no sense to consider Chinese stuff vs a Nexus 7" is kind of stereotypical and not really reliable
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I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.

Nutsonfire said:
I have one of the latest and greatest Chinese tabs as I write in my post.
Yes they are better then what they used to be but they still lack in some aspects. These tabs using the RK3188 chip in real life are just not want the benchmarks want you to believe. The Chinese keep cutting corners where they shouldn't and it shows. So yeah it looks like you get a lot for 200$ but when you use it you understand why its cheaper.
It's no surprise that all the high end Chinese tabs and phones end up using Qualcomm and Samsung CPUs and cost almost the same as brand name stuff.
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Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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Jimlarck said:
Since when are benchmarks actually safe, legitimate and trustworthy?
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They are not, but fans of Chinese stuff like to go crazy about them and use them to compare with brand name products. If I see two products with similar scores I would expect similar function but clearly it's not the case.
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I had Asus Infinity TF700T before, but I was very disappointed about the build quality and the lagging of the device. I hated that tab every moment. I didn't install custom rom because it required unlocking the device and loosing the warranty. So I sold it and bought Pipo M7pro.
I like the screen and size of the tablet and this is much faster and smoother than Asus TF700. Also the build quality is better than on Asus, which had loose screen even repaired three times for warranty.
Multi window feature is pretty cool! Check the video from youtube.
I'm really satisfied of this cheap Chinese tab!
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So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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Jimlarck said:
So after reading some of your messages and doing some more research on my own. I've decided to wait until October, if the Nexus 7 multitouch problems have been resolved (they're addressing the problem at their warehouses/manufacturers or fixed it on an update) I'll buy it, if not, then Pipo M7 Pro will have to be my choice.
Really like the N7 but what use is there buying it when chances are that I'll get a broken Tablet, no, I can wait, I trust Google that they'll resolve this soon, it isn't the first time they've encountered a problem with manufacturers, like the N4 for example, with the infamous exploding back(I did think it was spontaneous and comical so I did have a laugh about it, hopefully the owners got a replacement though)
Thank you all for your messages and opinions. Especially those who gave their completely unbiased opinion and thoughts.
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I think the Chinese phones and tablets may have some issues but then again so do other phones. In my opinion it is best to wait for a very comprehensive review before you buy. And only buy from a near-by supplier that is willing to take it back if it is faulty, do not buy direct from China because it is unlikely to get your money back, plus the shipping costs and customs would make it uneconomical to return items.
For example, a year ago I bought a Chinese phone, with superb specifications. It seems to have two faults (at least). First, it is very fussy with the SD card, many applications do not work with it and especially GPS Navigation applications that store huge maps on the SD card. Secondly the GPS receiver is either broken or simply very, very bad. My dedicated Garmin GPS, my wife's iPhone4, my son's Samsung S3 : they all lock on to the GPS almost instantly. The Chinese phone needs to be absolutely stand still for like 5-10 minutes before it can lock on. Completely useless in the car for example, I have to stop the car, and then wait 5-10 minutes so it can lock.
Someone said above that high-end Chinese phones and tabs use Qualcomm and Samsung parts and not their own. Well, no **** Sherlock! That qualifies as one of the most idiotic statements I have read. Every single electronic device in the world uses parts made by various/hundreds of other manufacturers. This has always been the case. I would not expect the Pipo M7 Pro to have components made by Pipo - and it does not matter anyway. My Sony VAIO laptop does not use a "SONY" CPU, or chipset, or GPU, or memory, or capacitors, or resistors, actually I doubt that a single component inside my laptop is actually made by Sony, except perhaps the badge!!!

I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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RKight said:
I have to say, I bought the 2012 N7 as well as my 2013 and both were flawless from the start. My fiancee got my 2012 when i bought my new one and it's still going strong. The only issue I have at all with the 2013 is a delayed wake when using a magnetic cover. That's obviously a software issue, as leaving Bluetooth on fixes the problem.
Oh and Zilliman, your Chinese phone sounds like my old Samsung Captivate. That thing had the worst GPS I've ever seen. Developers worked hard to fix it but it was never very good. Completely useless even when walking, let alone driving.
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Here's a problem for those with N7 Pro : the speakers crackle at high volume.

Do not buy M7 Pro
OK I guess finally I may have something to help after getting so many helps from this nice forum.
I live in China and I'd say I'm quite familiar with Chinese tablets and nexus devices. (proud owner of both types) I've yet to find a Chinese native brand tablet that marches either Nexus 7's build quality or OS stability. (always search for teardown pics before decision) Usually they have small problems here or there, but you don't have a bug list and workaround thread in a good forum simply because they don't have enough users.
There are worth buying Chinese tablets though. They are usually much cheaper than Nexus 7, don't have fatal problems, have good user base and forums to post workarounds of those small issues, and recently they start to come in so many varieties of screen size. (there used to be a time when they are mainly 7" widescreen, before the mighty Nexus 7's arrival.)
IMHO if you prefer 7" tablet, just grab the new Nexus 7. If not, don't buy M7 Pro for the following reasons:
1 Rockchip is not as friendly to devs as its rival SoC company Allwinner. I can find unofficial CM10.2 on AllWinner platform but I find almost nothing on Rockchip;
2 RK3188 seems strong, but in practice it's not a good chip for HD "Retina" display due to poor design choice of a single channel 32bit memory controller, which results a memory bandwidth that nearly kills GPU performance. BTW that's just a fraction of bandwidth compared to the new Nexus 7. I heard the GPU performance is so poor that even stock launcher can't go butterly smooth.
However RK3188 + a 1024*768 display is fine.
Summary: don't buy RK3188+HD display like the M7 Pro; strongly recommend new Nexus 7
correction: No Chinese SoC performs well on 1080p display. I'd guess 720p is the limit.
Hope it helps

[Q] Want to buy N7, how are the impressions by owners?

hey guys, wanna buy the new nexus 7.
just want to ask the "nerds" how they think about their device. can u advice it other people. just read about a few bugs on amazon, just need a few impressions if those bugs are still existing, at least i am going to flash a custom rom xD
is the multitouch bug software or hadware related or even already solved?
read about noisy backspeaker when low volume. are this general existing bugs or just some people which had no luck to get a good n7?
thx in advance

L-ViZ said:
hey guys, wanna buy the new nexus 7.
just want to ask the "nerds" how they think about their device. can u advice it other people. just read about a few bugs on amazon, just need a few impressions if those bugs are still existing, at least i am going to flash a custom rom xD
is the multitouch bug software or hadware related or even already solved?
read about noisy backspeaker when low volume. are this general existing bugs or just some people which had no luck to get a good n7?
thx in advance
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I love, love, love mine! Both the 16gb Wi-Fi and the LTE model I just bought. (Dad will get the Wi-Fi model now that i have the LTE version.) Both are stock unrooted with no chrome beta app installed. And zero issues on either one. The WiFi model had a GPS issue which has been fixed with a software update and it has been very solid since. I have had no freezes or reboots (except once when I plugged in a micro SD card reader device, probably related to the Nexus media importer app.) I haven't seen the multi touch issue, not sure exactly how that shows up. It could be that my usage is different. I suggest you buy it from a vendor that allows you to return or exchange it and try it for yourself with no risk.
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kisrita said:
I love, love, love mine! Both the 16gb Wi-Fi and the LTE model I just bought. (Dad will get the Wi-Fi model now that i have the LTE version.) Both are stock unrooted with no chrome beta app installed. And zero issues on either one. The WiFi model had a GPS issue which has been fixed with a software update and it has been very solid since. I have had no freezes or reboots (except once when I plugged in a micro SD card reader device, probably related to the Nexus media importer app.) I haven't seen the multi touch issue, not sure exactly how that shows up. It could be that my usage is different. I suggest you buy it from a vendor that allows you to return or exchange it and try it for yourself with no risk.
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that's what i wanted to hear
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You may want to check this out...
On Google's own forums...
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/mG4JXaT-SHs[726-750-false]

Another 7" tablet to consider is the Kindle Fire HD 2 which will have better hardware including the Snapdragon 800 CPU.

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Another 7" tablet to consider is the Kindle Fire HD 2 which will have better hardware including the Snapdragon 800 CPU.
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I read somewhere although cpu on our new nexus s4 pro but something is very similar to the s600 CPU also kindle will lack NFC wireless charging and most important system update
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big_b0sss said:
I read somewhere although cpu on our new nexus s4 pro but something is very similar to the s600 CPU also kindle will lack NFC wireless charging and most important system update
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With the better hardware, hopefully more ROM developers will be on board to take full advantage of it.

I would hold off until Google make another official announcement about either of the touch/sound issue.
However, It is a great tablet, way snappier than any of the Samsung tabs in my opinion.
Also the other plus side is the new KitKat update for Android that Google is unveiling around Oct. probably will be pushed out to Nexus devices shortly after.

FluffyR said:
I would hold off until Google make another official announcement about either of the touch/sound issue.
However, It is a great tablet, way snappier than any of the Samsung tabs in my opinion.
Also the other plus side is the new KitKat update for Android that Google is unveiling around Oct. probably will be pushed out to Nexus devices shortly after.
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I have no problems with my touch or sound or GPS. My tablet is perfect. Only had it for about 2 weeks not but so far so good. Absolutely LOVE it. I sold my Galaxy Note 8.0 to buy this and i dont regret it one bit.I miss not having a MicroSD slot but that is going to be fixed by buying a Seagate 1tb wireless hard drive.

Same here, no problems at all :victory:
(32GB Wifi version)
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I have it since Friday and I just love it. Over the weekend I've been using it very extensively and have found no issues at all. It's fast, smooth, the screen is great (so much so that I'm looking at my various other displays quite differently now - everything seems blocky and pixelated).
If you're in for a small tablet, it's hard getting around this one.
The LG G Pad 8.3 looks interesting too, but I much prefer having a device that will be updated with new Android versions for the coming years.

very happy with the new nexus 7
got it since 1 week, and traveled already 1/3 around the world.
I just found a little hiss sound on top speaker at low volume. i didn't not notice it before.
everything is much better than the previous nexus 7.

yay, a lot of positive feedback hope there will be good customroms hopefully psx will be available as stable. already using it on my maguro

My first one had a speaker issue. Replaced and current one has no issues at all besides what i considered "low volume" from the speakers. I have since fixed that via Faux Sound.

32gb owner here, love it. Does everything very well. Fast, fluid, no touch issues, running PA and runs like a charm. Using it on a daily basis. Love customising it as with any android products.
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With the better hardware, hopefully more ROM developers will be on board to take full advantage of it.
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Kindle will never have the support the Nexus devices have.
Go N7II

xbs said:
Kindle will never have the support the Nexus devices have.
Go N7II
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We will see on how it compares.

After 3 weeks of use I love this thing. Working out as GPS really well too. Love it~

Love my 32GB Wifi (I share my phone as a hotspot and work pays for data so I wasn't going to get a LTE version, especially as my phone connects via LTE).
The first difference was to be noticed was the screen. The colour and sharpness are truly outstanding, you don't even need to have the two next to each other to appreciate it. Also apps and settings load faster and close faster as well as opening the task browser, no doubt the extra memory and CPU grunt at play. The sound from the speakers is a lot better, clearer and louder and stereo is noticeable but to avoid covering the speakers I either pinch the top or bottom in the middle or cup my hand around the speakers. I used to hold the end that did not have speakers but now that there is speakers at either end that you don't want to block with your hand so I would recommend holding one is store to make sure you can be comfortable with it and not block the speakers.
When I first got it I downloaded the latest TWRP Recovery mode (2.6.2), when coupled with the latest 4.3 update from Google with the latest patches built in the OS would not boot, it would stay at the coloured X loading screen permanently. I used an earlier versions of TWRP (2.6.0) with the same OS and it was fine- it may have been something I did and not the same for everyone but if anyone has the same issue try using the earlier version. Once this was complete and the device rooted I have not had a single problem.
The screen resolution truly is something to behold- HD movies look great as do games, especially cartoon style graphics, due to the brilliant colour reproduction. Even books and webpages with smooth letters, no jaggies, look fantastic. The rear camera, should I ever use it takes pictures that are not quite as good as with HTC One but a heap better the front camera on either device. I can't see myself using it much- maybe to show something while on Skype- but at least it is decent.
I do miss the textured back of the original model, it had some grip but the new one is smooth, a little too smooth, with the only grip coming from the Nexus logo with is indented. Also, the USB plug is still upside-down but the same occurs on the HTC One so at least they are the same.
Lastly, the headphone jack is on the top so if you are charging and have headphones on at the same time you will have cables coming out either end. This bugs me a bit but I’ll get over it.

not bad
If you have the original Nexus 7 you might not see much of a difference. Of course things have improved but in my opinion its pretty minor. I currently have an issue with the heat it puts out when playing certain games but even without this it's not much different than the original one. If you never owned a Nexus 7 then I highly recommend it. For browsing the web, watching youtube videos its the best. I hardly ever open my laptop since buying one.

[Q] I have an HTC One. Should I keep the Nexus 7?

I got a Nexus 7 (2013) for Christmas (non-LTE, 32gigs), but I'm not sure I want it. I already have an HTC One (Verizon, so who knows if and when I'll get KitKat), and suffice it to say, it's just a better device, spec-wise. The only reason to keep the Nexus 7 is for the tablet form factor and a 3 inch larger screen (which isn't that big of a difference). So I figure I should ask people who know better: What can I do on a tablet (or do more comfortably on a tablet, e.g. such and such game) that I can't do on my super slick HTC One? The only examples I can think of is the Commander option in Battlefield 4 and that Xbox SmartGlass will supposedly be cooler. Please try to convince me to keep the Nexus 7! Any advice is appreciated.

Whether or not you keep it should be up to you. I personally love having both my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7. Yeah my 5 is faster and better on the go, but I like the larger screen when I'm sitting at home or watching movies when I'm out, and the battery naturally lasts a lot longer.
So I'm not going to try talking you into keeping anything, but for some of us 2 devices are better than 1.
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I have a HTC one and I am thinking of getting a nexus 7. They are different devices serving different purposes, I am planning to use my 7 for reading(not books but feedly), movies, some games, Skype. Yes, those cane be done on One, but hey, with a bigger screen, everything becomes so comfortable.
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Since you already have it, keep it
You can use your tablet when you are at home browsing with wifi and occasionally playing games.
This is what I do with my n7

I have an Optimus G Pro, and an N7. I use them both in conjunction with each other, whether it be through Google sync with documents for college, or just plain watching movies, and browsing the web on the N7.
My OGP has a 5.5inch screen, and still the N7 seems like a monster compared to it. In all fairness, I usually use the NFC capabilities of both devices extensively, whether it be for web pages, or files that need to be transferred. I personally love the combo, and plan on keeping this duo, until the GFlex hit's the United States or Project Ara kicks off,.. Whichever first
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95Z28 said:
Whether or not you keep it should be up to you. I personally love having both my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7. Yeah my 5 is faster and better on the go, but I like the larger screen when I'm sitting at home or watching movies when I'm out, and the battery naturally lasts a lot longer.
So I'm not going to try talking you into keeping anything, but for some of us 2 devices are better than 1.
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This.
I have the HTC One and I jumped on a Nexus 7 deal last month because I found myself using my dad's iPad more than my laptop while around the house. Now, I pretty much exclusively use my Nexus while at home. The One is hands-down the device to take with you if you're and about, but the Nexus is perfect for home use (it even fits in back pocket while walking around my house).
I use my One pretty heavily over the course of a day, so the battery is pretty drained after work. The Nexus can go days on a charge, so it's ready for the trade-off when I get home if haven't kept my phone on a charger. Unless I need to talk to someone, the Nexus covers pretty much all forms of communication. I set up MightyText on my devices so I can text from my Nexus (or browser) through my One.
It's true, the Nexus isn't as well-spec'd as the One, and I'd even say the One's speakers are better, but for the price, screen, performance, dev community, and ergonomics, I feel that the two complement each other extremely well.
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Thanks for the replies, everyone!

Of course keep it. Forget the specs, the N7 is a beast and handles everything you toss at it just fine. Plus, you can never have too many cool devices. Case in point- me. Not counting my actual computers, I have a Moto X, Nexus 5, Nexus 7, Dell Venue 8 Pro, iPad Mini, and a Microsoft Surface Pro, and I use all of them fairly regularly. The N5 and N7 are the ones I use the most though.

Tbh, n7 looses very little to One performance-wise. I mean if you oc to 1.7 you get pretty much the same performance as the chip set is close to identical.
As everyone else here has been posting out, they're for different situations and uses. The real question is whether or not you feel the need for a tablet.
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I just got my Nexus 7 (Christmas present) & really like it so far. It was by far easier to unlock/root/install custom rom & kernel than my htc evo 4g lte. I have an Ultrabook but wanted something smaller when I just wanted to hop on the interwebs or check scores. IMO, you should keep it.

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I have a HTC one and I am thinking of getting a nexus 7. They are different devices serving different purposes, I am planning to use my 7 for reading(not books but feedly), movies, some games, Skype. Yes, those cane be done on One, but hey, with a bigger screen, everything becomes so comfortable.
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Same here exactly...just today got the Nexus 7 and I already had the HTC One. The One screen is too small for browsing and such for a longer period of time on the couch. The Nexus fills that gap between the One and the stand-alone PC.

You ask this question as if they are similar devices. Keep it! I have both, and it's awesome.
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One thing that hasn't been added is that it's like having two batteries when travelling. I recently didn't have my tablet for a flight and it's so annoying, having to moderate usage to save phone battery.

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I got a Nexus 7 (2013) for Christmas (non-LTE, 32gigs), but I'm not sure I want it. I already have an HTC One (Verizon, so who knows if and when I'll get KitKat), and suffice it to say, it's just a better device, spec-wise. The only reason to keep the Nexus 7 is for the tablet form factor and a 3 inch larger screen (which isn't that big of a difference). So I figure I should ask people who know better: What can I do on a tablet (or do more comfortably on a tablet, e.g. such and such game) that I can't do on my super slick HTC One? The only examples I can think of is the Commander option in Battlefield 4 and that Xbox SmartGlass will supposedly be cooler. Please try to convince me to keep the Nexus 7! Any advice is appreciated.
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Definitely keep the Nexus 7. You will not regret it. The truth is that a tab!et will open up a new and exciting part of android that you haven't seen yet. I JUST bought a Nexus 7 yesterday and already have a galaxy S4. I do a lot of my work from my phone and I cannot believe I didn't do this earlier. It is an entirely separate class of device and you will! Understand later why I am saying now that a question of either or is not a sensible question. At least give yourself some time with it to elite first. The nexus eerience is quit a bit different t as well. I'm not saying that one is better than the other,,, what I have quick!y realizes is that they are Twp entirely different devices with vastly different purposes,
Mike

Asphalt. I'm a WAY better driver on my N7 than my HTC!
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How can you say that going from 4.7" to 7" isn't a big difference?
It's a massive difference when you're doing tasks that require bigger screens for more comodity such as web browsing, streaming media and playing those games that benefit from bigger screens (specially web browsing and streaming media really).
Also, you already have it, it's not like you have to buy it so I would say keep it. Only reason I would not keep it would be if I didn't really need the 7" form factor and could use the extra cash from selling the Nexus.
Otherwise the Nexus does everything the HTC One does but "better", because of it's bigger screen. Spec wise, I can't believe you see a difference because quite frankly you won't. Maybe on heavier games where a smaller screen tasks the GPU less but other than that, nuh huh.
And for the record, switching to the CleanROM 2.6 that is available here, I got my Antutu score from 20k to 25k which is just the same as the HTC One pretty much.

I would leave the Nexus 7

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I got a Nexus 7 (2013) for Christmas (non-LTE, 32gigs), but I'm not sure I want it. I already have an HTC One (Verizon, so who knows if and when I'll get KitKat), and suffice it to say, it's just a better device, spec-wise. The only reason to keep the Nexus 7 is for the tablet form factor and a 3 inch larger screen (which isn't that big of a difference). So I figure I should ask people who know better: What can I do on a tablet (or do more comfortably on a tablet, e.g. such and such game) that I can't do on my super slick HTC One? The only examples I can think of is the Commander option in Battlefield 4 and that Xbox SmartGlass will supposedly be cooler. Please try to convince me to keep the Nexus 7! Any advice is appreciated.
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<------ Click "more info" (if you're on a browser) then guess what I'm going to say. :silly:
I had two HTC Ones and a Note 10.1 when I got the original N7 just as a "cheap toy" to play with. Surprisingly, I found that I could find a purpose for a 7" device even though I already had a phone and a 10" tablet. Then I bought a 2013 N7.
...I say keep it. The more gadgets the merrier! :highfive:

I have the One and the Nexus 7. For my use I use the N7 when I'm at home because of NHL Gamecenter/twitter and just general browsing because the phone is too small for extended use. Not something I'd take out with me in public unless I needed to. Both compliment each other well.
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Should I Get a Tab 3 10.1?

Hey guys, I currently have a MacBook Air 11, and I am looking for a tablet that I can use for when I don't wanna pull out my Macbook.
I am trying to spend less than $300. So I can get a refurbished Tab 3 10.1 for $225. However I can also get the first Galaxy Note 10.1(first edition) for $250.
I also can get an iPad 3rd gen for about $275.
So I am a bit conflicted. I just want something cheap that I can browse the internet on, play a few games, and use SmartGlass for my XboxOne

If look around get a nexus 10 for under 300 or nexus 7, if not just go with refurbished one
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If look around get a nexus 10 for under 300 or nexus 7, if not just go with refurbished one
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Would the Nexus 10 be better than the Galaxy Tab 3 10.1?

Depends what your users are going to be. Being you have a Mac, I say go with iPad (as much as I hate saying that). You already have apple asps and usernames that would make it easier for you.
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Depends what your users are going to be. Being you have a Mac, I say go with iPad (as much as I hate saying that). You already have apple asps and usernames that would make it easier for you.
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Well I do have a Macbook, and an iPhone 5. But I am trying to get out of the apple ecosystem.
I'm going to get an android phone when my upgrade is up.
Basically my uses are going to be: Using while I'm in bed, on the couch to mainly surf the web, email, play a few games here and there, and use for SmartGlass for my Xbox. If it's anything more than that, I'll just use my Macbook.

Shakenbake158 said:
Well I do have a Macbook, and an iPhone 5. But I am trying to get out of the apple ecosystem.
I'm going to get an android phone when my upgrade is up.
Basically my uses are going to be: Using while I'm in bed, on the couch to mainly surf the web, email, play a few games here and there, and use for SmartGlass for my Xbox. If it's anything more than that, I'll just use my Macbook.
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I think it is wise to switch as long as you've done your research first. It can be expensive switching ecosystems, but Android tends to be much cheaper that iOS from what I've witnessed at least. But that is only part of what makes Android wonderful. As for the Tab 3 10.1, right now, I'm struggling because I wanted it to have user switching. That's something supported by Jellybean, but alas, Samsung has omitted it from this build. So I've been searching everywhere for custom ROMs but it seems that no one is developing for it because it runs on Intel and people aren't used to that structure just yet. All I can do it root is and tweak things here and there, but not what I want it to, so my point of view is a little skewed toward dislike.
If you have the funds, I would recommend the Nexus 10 32GB. Unfortunately, Nexus devices don't have microSD expansion like the Galaxy devices, but it has all the features it should and it would be easy to find custom development for it once you get bored with the stock UI.

TBH I personally would NOT recommend you buying the tab 3 10.1. I'd rather buy a Nexus 7 2013 or a Nexus 10 or a LG Gpad 8.3.
thsi is because of the silly Intel processor within the tab and Android not really cooperating with it.
You'll be better off running an ARM processor.
Just my 2 cents. Hope you enjoy whatever tablet you buy.
And as much as I dislike Windows 8 it works well on tablets. So that is also a good choice IMO
Good luck !
Nitro

I have the tab 3 10.1 and it's a pretty good tablet. There's nothing so far about it that I don't like, BUT the resolution.

samgamgee84 said:
I think it is wise to switch as long as you've done your research first. It can be expensive switching ecosystems, but Android tends to be much cheaper that iOS from what I've witnessed at least. But that is only part of what makes Android wonderful. As for the Tab 3 10.1, right now, I'm struggling because I wanted it to have user switching. That's something supported by Jellybean, but alas, Samsung has omitted it from this build. So I've been searching everywhere for custom ROMs but it seems that no one is developing for it because it runs on Intel and people aren't used to that structure just yet. All I can do it root is and tweak things here and there, but not what I want it to, so my point of view is a little skewed toward dislike.
If you have the funds, I would recommend the Nexus 10 32GB. Unfortunately, Nexus devices don't have microSD expansion like the Galaxy devices, but it has all the features it should and it would be easy to find custom development for it once you get bored with the stock UI.
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Well I don't need the user switching, I mean this is just going to be a device that I use when I am not using my Macbook for fun or leisure. It wont be something that I rely on.
How would you say the tegra 3 compares to the intel chip in the Galaxy Tab 3 10.1?
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TBH I personally would NOT recommend you buying the tab 3 10.1. I'd rather buy a Nexus 7 2013 or a Nexus 10 or a LG Gpad 8.3.
thsi is because of the silly Intel processor within the tab and Android not really cooperating with it.
You'll be better off running an ARM processor.
Just my 2 cents. Hope you enjoy whatever tablet you buy.
And as much as I dislike Windows 8 it works well on tablets. So that is also a good choice IMO
Good luck !
Nitro
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How much faster is the Nexus 7 2013 going to be than the Galaxy Tab 3 10.1? I am considering the Nexus 7 now possibly.
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I have the tab 3 10.1 and it's a pretty good tablet. There's nothing so far about it that I don't like, BUT the resolution.
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Do you think it would be a good first device to dive into android with?
Thank you all for replying.

I had a dell streak 7 and it had a poor following for development, but I used it enough to know my next tab would be a 10 inch.(7 inch Too Small) I just got this tab 3, and it is killer. It doesn't have any custom ROMS that are drastically different that stock, Still...it is running the newest version of Jelly Bean, and really doesn't need "upgrading" It is so snappy and fast, I am tickled to death with it. I love the stock OS, and I figure by the time I get bored with it Cyanogen Mod will be available for it. Of course my view is also skewed because I was struggling with a Dell Streak 7 (slowpoke) before I got my Tab 3. I also enjoy (watching) the developers forum for this device, it's very entertaining because they discover new things about this tablet every day it seems. That stuff is mostly over my head right now, but I hope to learn more, so I can contribute in the future. Good luck with your choice...I just love mine.

I just bought a Tab 3 10.1 from Amazon last week. I also purchased a leather case with Bluetooth keyboard to go with it. The order total was 311 for me and well worth it. I also have a Galaxy s4.
I think if you are looking to switch to the Android ecosystem I would recommend setting up a Google account now if you do not have one already. The one thing I like about Google and the android environment is the built in cloud environment.
I am on my 4th Android phone and first tablet and have never had to transfer or backup contacts, settings or files. I log into the new device it automatically downloads the settings wallpaper and apps I use. The contacts are stored in the Google account on Google servers. I have seen even the most experienced iDevice users try to mimic this seamless integration but fall short (though not impossible).
My only advice in order to make sure you never have to back up files and pictures (with caution) is to utilize Google drive if you do not already.
When I first moved to Android from Blackberry the selling point was that my contacts are stored in my Google account. Saved my life many times.
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Well guys, I went to BestBuy to check out the tablets.
I looked at the Galaxy Tab 3 8.0 and 10.1, Note 8.0 and 10.1 and the Nexus 7.
The two tabs seemed a bit sluggish when getting in and out of apps, and the load times in chrome were a little slower compared to the Notes.
The Note 10.1 is the perfect device for me, I absolutely loved it, but it's way out of my price range. But I also loved the Note 8.0.
The Nexus 7 seemed nice too, but it was in some demo mode so I couldn't actually open apps and such.
How does the Note 8.0 compare to the Nexus 7? At this point I think I like the Note 8.0 more, purely based on form factor.
Edit: How much faster is the Note 8.0 than the Tab 3?
Also how does the Note 8.0 compare to the original Note 10.1?

As far as I am concerned NO MORE SAMSUNG. Samsung just doesn't support…update the system on any of their tabs. I am selling my Galaxy 10.1 note today and getting something else. Sold my S4 and got a nexus 5 and am very happy.

deserthi said:
As far as I am concerned NO MORE SAMSUNG. Samsung just doesn't support…update the system on any of their tabs. I am selling my Galaxy 10.1 note today and getting something else. Sold my S4 and got a nexus 5 and am very happy.
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Well that is interesting.
If you had to recommend me a tablet, what would you recommend? Other than the Nexus 7.

I'd Recommend the LG Gpad 8.3 Google Play Edition as it has a slightly bigger screen.
I do NOT recommend Samsung devices as they have a CRAP LOAD of bloatware installed. Quite a few of those things run constantly using up RAM/CPU and eating battery life and in return, they give nothing.
I'd rather have an AOSP based ROM without the 'goodies' than a stock ROM with them.
I've owned 4 samsung devices so I think I can speak for them
This is my skightly skewed opinion. you should decide what you buy. We are just giving you advice
MY advice would be to purchase a google play edition device/ Nexus device as I find them the best in terms of everything

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I'd Recommend the LG Gpad 8.3 Google Play Edition as it has a slightly bigger screen.
I do NOT recommend Samsung devices as they have a CRAP LOAD of bloatware installed. Quite a few of those things run constantly using up RAM/CPU and eating battery life and in return, they give nothing.
I'd rather have an AOSP based ROM without the 'goodies' than a stock ROM with them.
I've owned 4 samsung devices so I think I can speak for them
This is my skightly skewed opinion. you should decide what you buy. We are just giving you advice
MY advice would be to purchase a google play edition device/ Nexus device as I find them the best in terms of everything
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Well maybe I should just get the Nexus 7.
I can't seem to find a Google Play G Pad in my price range :/

Did you get the Nexus 7? I was going to until I found that some of the 2013 model had screen/hardware and touchscreen issues. My wife has the gtab 2 10.1 which I put cm 4.3 and a custom overclocked kernal on and it runs smooth and quick. After using it a while I wanted something a bit smaller for myself and settled on the gtab 3 8.0. I like the size much better and the screen is plenty big and bright. It is quick and responsive with the stock rom. There is some development happening for it including an overclocked kernal and I am waiting patiently for a stable rom.
If you bought the Nexus, let us know how it is. I hope it's one of the good ones.