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TWRP vs. CWM recovery

I'm just curious what the general consensus is out there between these two recovery modules. I've always used cwm rec until recently when I couldn't test flash ANY cm10 jb roms. I had to install twrp in order to flash them and it worked right away. It nice to have touchscreen controls but newer cwm's have that now too so I guess I just want to be sure I'm not losing anything or missing out on anything by leaving cwm rec for twrp .. and many say to switch anyways but what is the general feeling out there and what are you others using?
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TWRP to me just has a better layout and mor responsive touch UI.. Havent had any problems with it so far not being able to flash or anything so...

+1 TWRP is overall smoother and easier to use IMO, and 0 issues so far flashing anything or restoring backups.

I've used CWM since it was available for the Samsung Captivate. Great program. I'm now using TWRP, and I like it better. It appears to be faster, quicker backups and allows for more options. TWRP feels more responsive than Touch CWM (and I paid for that program).
Two points to consider. Backups for each program are only able to be restored by that program. Meaning, you can't restore a CWM backup using TWRP and you can't restore a TWRP backup using CWM.
If you use TWRP v2.2.1, the INTERNAL SD card mount point is \data\media instead of extSdCard. That's really confusing for CWM users and really annoying general.
You can flash recovery zips in both CWM or TWRP.. I flash my .zips from the external card now that I'm using TWRP.....
Both great programs....:good:

My favorite part about TWRP is that you can enable compression on nandroid backups.
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cellgeek said:
I've used CWM since it was available for the Samsung Captivate. Great program. I'm now using TWRP, and I like it better. It appears to be faster, quicker backups and allows for more options. TWRP feels more responsive than Touch CWM (and I paid for that program).
Two points to consider. Backups for each program are only able to be restored by that program. Meaning, you can't restore a CWM backup using TWRP and you can't restore a TWRP backup using CWM.
If you use TWRP v2.2.1, the INTERNAL SD card mount point is \data\media instead of extSdCard. That's really confusing for CWM users and really annoying general.
You can flash recovery zips in both CWM or TWRP.. I flash my .zips from the external card now that I'm using TWRP.....
Both great programs....:good:
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Yep, I too had been using cwm since my first Captivate...and have always enjoyed it but have also recently switched to TWRP and find it to be better and plan to use it now.as.my only recovery.
It is unfortunate but true that u can't restore backups from the others program so all.my old.cwm nandroid backups are basically useless now unless I reinstall cwm but that's OK moving forward I guess.
I too was a bit confused by the internal.SD card file.system location in data/media and still.don't understand it but as long as u know then its OK. So far it sounds like twrp is the future of recovery and more and more people are switching...and the touch function and extra options.are.nice.features.
The bottom line is as long as I am not missing out on something or losing some important functionality then I'm fine with the switch from cwm and.will.stay with TWRP but will never deny the popularity and usefulness of cwm and how it got me going in the whole.game of flashing and.mod'ing phones.

TWRP is by far the best recovery I have ever used. I couldn't imagine life without it now.

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TWRP is by far the best recovery I have ever used. I couldn't imagine life without it now.
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I totally agree. I was using CWM on my Thrill and didn't get a chance to use TWRP till I got my Fire. Now I will only use TWRP. CWM is an excellent recovery but I like the features of TWRP better.
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a lot of the rooting/recovery guides are suggesting to use clockwork recovery, is that just because twrp wasn't really supported back then? any issues noticed with using twrp on the sgs3?

as with all programs there is no "best" just personal preference: try one, then the other and settle on that which suits yoiur phone and needs "the best"
I tried TWRP and went back to CWM -- many others, obviously, tried and preferred TWRP

TWRP is easier & more efficient to use. Bar none.
But with that said, IMO CWM is still the better recovery for some situations. First, there is more support for CWM still.
Second, if you use a ROM's built in functionality to update itself (like AOKP has), then that requires CWM as far as I can tell.
Also keep in mind that it's easier to screw up on TWRP because it is touch-based. I've accidentally pressed buttons without meaning to. It's only a matter of time before that gets me into trouble.
I just wish CWM would remove the thousand "no" that you have to sort through before getting to a "yes". And I wish they would update it more often.
I did pay for my ClockworkMOD, btw.

hey guys please give me tips on the twrp
i gave up on cwm i couldn't install cm10 on my galaxy s3 i747m ROGERS (at&t)
so can someone walk me through the twrp way of flashing cm10 rom
pleaaaaaaasee
cheers

totti107 said:
hey guys please give me tips on the twrp
i gave up on cwm i couldn't install cm10 on my galaxy s3 i747m ROGERS (at&t)
so can someone walk me through the twrp way of flashing cm10 rom
pleaaaaaaasee
cheers
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Exactly the same as cwm. Except all wiping option are put together in the wipe menu, you can select multiple file to flash on after another and fix permissions is in the advanced menu.
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CZ Eddie said:
TWRP is easier & more efficient to use. Bar none.
But with that said, IMO CWM is still the better recovery for some situations. First, there is more support for CWM still.
Second, if you use a ROM's built in functionality to update itself (like AOKP has), then that requires CWM as far as I can tell.
Also keep in mind that it's easier to screw up on TWRP because it is touch-based. I've accidentally pressed buttons without meaning to. It's only a matter of time before that gets me into trouble.
I just wish CWM would remove the thousand "no" that you have to sort through before getting to a "yes". And I wish they would update it more often.
I did pay for my ClockworkMOD, btw.
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I use the touch version of cwm and am very thankful for the thousands no's, help mitigate those "oh crap" moments that touch screen introduces.
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CZ Eddie said:
TWRP is easier & more efficient to use. Bar none.
But with that said, IMO CWM is still the better recovery for some situations. First, there is more support for CWM still.
Second, if you use a ROM's built in functionality to update itself (like AOKP has), then that requires CWM as far as I can tell.
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Task and ktoonzes aokp ota updater now works with the newest twrp.

TWRP. I like its layout, and love that I can build a stack of .zips to flash. (Not sure if CWM has that feature, won't be causing me to switch over to it.)

Encrytion and backups!
The most impressive feature of TWRP hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet.. TWRP supports flashing ROM's on devices that have been fully encrypted !
Also, it allows for backup and restore of ROMs on encrypted devices that neither CWM nor CWM Touch support.

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AT&T Samsung Galaxy S III - Touch Recovery

I know this might be a stupid question but I was wondering if they have a version of touch recovery for the AT&T SGS 3. I have seen the sprint one but was uncertain if the AT&T had one please if anyone knows can you point me in the right direction. Thank you for your help on this I really appreciate it!!

If you install Goo Manager from the play store, you can install TWRP, which is a touch recovery. As far as CWM goes, Koush had released a touch version of CWM version 6, but it was buggy and he pulled it. He'll have another one up for us soon. My suggestion is to stick with CWM. After the initial backup, subsequent ones just fly.
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lordmorphous said:
If you install Goo Manager from the play store, you can install TWRP, which is a touch recovery. As far as CWM goes, Koush had released a touch version of CWM version 6, but it was buggy and he pulled it. He'll have another one up for us soon. My suggestion is to stick with CWM. After the initial backup, subsequent ones just fly.
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Hey thank you i will do that but i was just wondering, thank you for the response.

I personally use cwm 5.8.4.5. Which is also touch. But my biggest reason is because its the only one with external access. I prefer my backups and ROMs on external.

Ends said:
I personally use cwm 5.8.4.5. Which is also touch. But my biggest reason is because its the only one with external access. I prefer my backups and ROMs on external.
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TWRP has external SD ability. Much better than CWM IMHO.

thacounty said:
TWRP has external SD ability. Much better than CWM IMHO.
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I did not know that. I never switched over because the backups wernt compatible and I didn't want to lose them.

thacounty said:
TWRP has external SD ability. Much better than CWM IMHO.
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A couple weeks ago, I would have agreed with you. Then I upgraded to CWM 6.something. First impression was shaky. That first nandroid took over 20 minutes. But all subsequent backups take less than five and can be done straight from Rom Manager. Choose backup in RM, click OK, and it reboots to recovery, does a nandroid, then reboots the phone...hands free. The first nandroid backs everything up to a blobs folder. Subsequent backups only backup what has been changed...so very speedy.
Also, I can format /data in CWM. TWRP would always fail...but I do miss the touch interface of TWRP.

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If you install Goo Manager from the play store, you can install TWRP, which is a touch recovery. As far as CWM goes, Koush had released a touch version of CWM version 6, but it was buggy and he pulled it. He'll have another one up for us soon. My suggestion is to stick with CWM. After the initial backup, subsequent ones just fly.
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What he said. Tried TWRP back when it came out and was not pleased. Flashing was a chore with them. Don't know if it has changed. CMW is the king IMHO. Miss the touch part but it will come when its ready. Stick with what's tried and true. Is my opinion.
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A backup in twrp for me takes about 130 seconds to back up a tw rom, less for aosp roms. Not sure why your backups take so long. Been using twrp for the past year about and I see no reason to go back. Zip que, the gui, the organization are all much better in twrp in my opinion. Of course everyone's opinion differs but that's my 2 cents.
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corythug said:
A backup in twrp for me takes about 130 seconds to back up a tw rom, less for aosp roms. Not sure why your backups take so long. Been using twrp for the past year about and I see no reason to go back. Zip que, the gui, the organization are all much better in twrp in my opinion. Of course everyone's opinion differs but that's my 2 cents.
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I agree with this. Being able to flash the rom and gapps at once is pretty sweet. Plus Rom Manager seems to cause problems on roms. Of course I know you don't need Rom Manager to have CWM.

which is more reliable? cwm or twrp?

I personally like cwm but the newest version has bugs so i switched to twrp but i found some sites that the 2.1 version can hard brick your phone...so im wondering if twrp 2.2 is reliable?

ClaireH said:
I personally like cwm but the newest version has bugs so i switched to twrp but i found some sites that the 2.1 version can hard brick your phone...so im wondering if twrp 2.2 is reliable?
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I've been using TWRP 2.2 since it came out and have never had any problems with it. I was having problems with CWM and since I switched I have yet to have any complaints.
Give it a shot and let us know.

Is your question which one is more reliable which i think is more of a personal thing depending on your needs or loyalties where as is TWRP 2.2 reliable. Now I am not sure where and what circumstances 2.1 TWRP may have bricked a phone but since we are running 2.2 there is nothing to worry about. For as long as it has been out if there were any issues you would of heard of them by now. Try them both and you figure out which one better suits your needs

I used to use CWRM ( tried the latest touch and non-touch ) because I was familiar with it and the brick reports scared me, but I used to have a lot of issues after flashing ROMs and restoring texts, even though I did everything right.
Finally said screw it, and tried TWRP 2.2 - my issues are now mostly gone. And queuing up zips and a file manager are niice. So yea, my vote's on TWRP.
Russian smashed across the interwebz from my Galaxy SII.

The reason people were getting bricked on older versions of TWRP is due to user error. Once you wiped the system and ROM, the phone is "blank." People were then clicking the "reboot system" option without flashing a new ROM. As such, the phone couldn't boot. New version does not allow that option.
TWRP is the best in my opinion as it has several features like zip queueing (queue all of your zips at once ex: ROM, Gapps, etc...) and an onscreen keyboard for naming backups.

Only thing I don't like about TWRP is no "wipe battery stats". Other than that, TWRP is nifty but I still use darkside wipes out of habit from CWM.

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Only thing I don't like about TWRP is no "wipe battery stats". Other than that, TWRP is nifty but I still use darkside wipes out of habit from CWM.
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Per Google themselves, wiping battery stats is not necessary and does nothing. Any perceived benefit is purely placebo.

Rod3 said:
Per Google themselves, wiping battery stats is not necessary and does nothing. Any perceived benefit is purely placebo.
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Per darkside cache wipe... "wiping battery stats" and never had a battery reading issue.
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I put CWM on my phone because it's what came with the CM9.1 ROM that I originally flashed.
After switching to a different rom such as Jedi Knight or JMT9, I found TWRP 2 to work wonders for what I need and the way I want info to be displayed. I found that with the touchscreen functions it's much easier to navigate recovery, though CWM has touchscreen functions now as well.

I prefer TWRP. It wipes everything completely clean, no need to flash TDJ's superwipe. It is also more reliable than CWM imo.
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Alarmmy said:
I prefer TWRP. It wipes everything completely clean, no need to flash TDJ's superwipe. It is also more reliable than CWM imo.
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I was using CWM and switched to TWRP for this reason. No extra superwipe steps.

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Per darkside cache wipe... "wiping battery stats" and never had a battery reading issue.
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Cache wipe does not wipe battery stats, only cache and dalvick. Per if it helps you sleep at night, use CWM and wipe them.
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Per darkside cache wipe... "wiping battery stats" and never had a battery reading issue.
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I think that was put in place to keep people from asking for it, as well as for completeness.
It does nothing on our phone. Fact
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Dougshell said:
I think that was put in place to keep people from asking for it, as well as for completeness.
It does nothing on our phone. Fact
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I know they say wiping battery stats does nothing but so many swear by it that at this stage you might as well let them just go for it.
OP - It looks like TWRP has won in your poll, now that you have asked the question what will you do with this info?

I've tried both... never really had issues... One thing Im finding is that alot of MMS/SMS/Call Log etc. recovery tools will not work with a CWM 6 nandroid backup... Managed to get them out with Titanium Backup though, so not a problem

After switching from CWM, I've never had an issue with TWRP 2.2 so far.
But, if you decide to use CWM, I'd like to suggest: CWM 5.0.27non-touch + Darkside scripts.

TWRP is preferred
I use TWRP because of the UI and reliability. Never had an issue with it.
In some threads, OP request that you use a certain recovery whether its CWM (certain version) or TWRP so I usually keep different recoveries saved to my sd card just in case.
Plus TWRP looks better.
Go with TWRP, you will be for sure to not need those Darkside Wipes. (Reliable)
on CWM you may have to use them, depending on version (Questionable)

Recovery options

Coming from the Evo 4g, cwm was garbage and not suggested at all over amonra. But seeing as technology has made major advances, I'm wondering if I should try cwmt. Right now using 2.4.4 twrp, but am going to flash cwm soon.
Could anybody tell me the pros and cons between twrp and cwm? What do you guys use?
Furthermore, goo.im or ROM manager, both seem equally good, but curious as to pros and cons
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I think most are using TWRP (myself included). The T989 seems to get good support. CWM had some issues in its older versions, but many say everything is fine with the newest versions. It may just be a matter of preference. I have avoided using GooManager and tend to flash the newer TWRP versions when a zip becomes available. Some have reported problems in the past with updating through the app.
I have read that nandroids are not compatible cross-platform (i.e. TWRP nandroid cannot be restored with CWM and vice versa)...something to keep in mind if you want to try them both before you decide.

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I think most are using TWRP (myself included). The T989 seems to get good support. CWM had some issues in its older versions, but many say everything is fine with the newest versions. It may just be a matter of preference. I have avoided using GooManager and tend to flash the newer TWRP versions when a zip becomes available. Some have reported problems in the past with updating through the app.
I have read that nandroids are not compatible cross-platform (i.e. TWRP nandroid cannot be restored with CWM and vice versa)...something to keep in mind if you want to try them both before you decide.
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I'm not complaining, coming from the EVO 4g TWRP looked like a godsend but we weren't able to utilize it properly because nobody updated the roms with the new script. Playing with it now I LOVE it, but I'm curious to try cwm, never in my life have I ever used it except to root both of my phones. It looks so forbidden and talked down upon, it REALLY makes me want to try it.

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Cwm v5x you need have other tool as dark side super wipe,....if only use cwm you cant root new rom because not clear.
But with newest version. You dont need others. Cwm easy to use and supported with Rom Manager, you can buy & download it at play store.
Twrp have new version and still good to now.
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What recovery you use is just a matter of preference this forum is 90% opinion .. But I highly recommend updating to newest versions of CWM or TWRP..
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first time using custom recovery

why didnt i start with clockworkmod instead of twrp. for hours now i thought i was doing something wrong while trying to restore a rom. it turns out the newest twrp is buggy. why are people recomending the latest twrp when it it so buggy.

I think most people still recommend 2.5.0.2, because 2.6 is so buggy...
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Nexus 6 said:
why didnt i start with clockworkmod instead of twrp. for hours now i thought i was doing something wrong while trying to restore a rom. it turns out the newest twrp is buggy. why are people recomending the latest twrp when it it so buggy.
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Yes, TWRP has issues, use CWM. I'm using it for a while. So far so good
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TWRP is my preferred recovery and I've had zero issues with version 2.5.0.2 since I got this phone.

Nexus 6 said:
why didnt i start with clockworkmod instead of twrp. for hours now i thought i was doing something wrong while trying to restore a rom. it turns out the newest twrp is buggy. why are people recomending the latest twrp when it it so buggy.
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I had exactly the SAME expirence.although I'm not new at rooting and using custom roms this being a new device for me I took everyone's advice and installed twrp. it was so buggy that it almost bricked my device. it got stuck on the introduction screen I couldn't get into tecovery or get out of the screen.i Eben pulled battery and it continued on that screen. finally finally I was able to get into the recovwry system, I rebooted and immediately I downloaded cwm recovert touvh wick has been wonderful ever since. That said, I thought this expirence with twrp was mine alone until ive heard of similiar complaints. I would NOT recommend twrp to ANYONE myself.i couldn't even flash a rom on it. I'm stocking with cwm recovery where its solid and works well

Nexus 6 said:
why didnt i start with clockworkmod instead of twrp. for hours now i thought i was doing something wrong while trying to restore a rom. it turns out the newest twrp is buggy. why are people recomending the latest twrp when it it so buggy.
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I am clueless as to why anyone would want to use TWRP as well lol. CWM has always done its job.

When I restore a backup that I made, do I have to wipe anything before or after the restore process?