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[Q] Touch or non-touch recovery?

I'm really trying to understand the difference. Is it more a personal preference in using a touch interface & options, or are there some core differences as to why you should use one over the other, especially in flashing the ICS ports we're using on our T989's.
In one post I've been reading, they're instructing you to use 'touch recovery' to flash the ROM. And in other post I've been reading, a highly trusted member said he won't use touch anymore because of issues he's had with it. I've seen it go both ways many times.
I read in another post, that one member thought the 2 versions handled the cache partition differently. If that's the case, doesn't using thederekjay's Darkside SuperWipe make that null & void anyway, because it formats, erases and aligns all the disks partitions properly anyway before you flash?
I've never used touch to flash an ICS ROM, or any ROM yet, and I'm certainly not against it. But I haven't had a lot of the issues that some are having either to make me go that way. So I'm trying to determine, or see if you guys really think that using one version over the other can really make a difference in the stability of the ROM; and if so...then why? Thanks!
And of course; if the OP tells me to use touch recovery to flash their ROM, I will certainly do so if I flash the ROM. Just trying to get a better understanding.

I use touch. Its just a personal preference. Then again the errors are a hit or miss thing.
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recovery version doesn't matter. it would be quite cumbersome to flash a different recovery every time i wanted a different rom. Touch vs no touch just affects GUI and user interacting, nothing more.

When in RECOVERY I want stability ....no touch gimmicks necessary if there's even the slightest chance of an error.
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bzlik88 said:
When in RECOVERY I want stability ....no touch gimmicks necessary if there's even the slightest chance of an error.
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word. having to button press your way thru the menues is a security feature.
SGS2 (T989) on CM7_373R5

Touch is the best way!!
I used for much time the Classic CWM, until I want flash the new ICS Rom; I have a lot problems, boot loop, kernel loop, reboots, FCS…. My solution was the new CWM Touch Version.
After I make all wipes with this CWM Touch version all things on ICS for T-Mobile t989 works very very well.

In my opinion non-touch recovery works best because its stable and touch recovery is still experimental and can still have some bugs.
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osangoqui said:
I used for much time the Classic CWM, until I want flash the new ICS Rom; I have a lot problems, boot loop, kernel loop, reboots, FCS…. My solution was the new CWM Touch Version.
After I make all wipes with this CWM Touch version all things on ICS for T-Mobile t989 works very very well.
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I had the same experience. Which was confusing.
I figured it was just people not flashing properly which was causing the issues.
So I used non-touch CWM. Tried 4 times with various combinations of wiping to try and get it to boot. To no avail.
Flash touch CWM, flash once, works perfectly. So confused as to why that is.

So this is what confuses me. I was just reading through some posts at the 'NexusMod' thread. A member posted that some of the issues another member was having with the ROM was due to the user using standard recovery. He said standard recovery makes the cache partition as r/o instead of r/w and this is causing some of the issues when people flash the ICS ROMS.
Really? So in GB ROMS it doesn't matter if it's r/o because I've always used standard recovery and never had, or heard of these issues before related to the recovery?
So there's that big of a difference between the 2 versions of recovery that one leaves the cache partition as r/o and the other r/w. That seems pretty major to me if true. I'm not doubting anybody here, just trying to get a better understanding so I know which recovery to use.
I like and just feel safer using the non-touch version. But if need be, I could go touch... If I need too.
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TWRP vs. CWM recovery

I'm just curious what the general consensus is out there between these two recovery modules. I've always used cwm rec until recently when I couldn't test flash ANY cm10 jb roms. I had to install twrp in order to flash them and it worked right away. It nice to have touchscreen controls but newer cwm's have that now too so I guess I just want to be sure I'm not losing anything or missing out on anything by leaving cwm rec for twrp .. and many say to switch anyways but what is the general feeling out there and what are you others using?
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TWRP to me just has a better layout and mor responsive touch UI.. Havent had any problems with it so far not being able to flash or anything so...

+1 TWRP is overall smoother and easier to use IMO, and 0 issues so far flashing anything or restoring backups.

I've used CWM since it was available for the Samsung Captivate. Great program. I'm now using TWRP, and I like it better. It appears to be faster, quicker backups and allows for more options. TWRP feels more responsive than Touch CWM (and I paid for that program).
Two points to consider. Backups for each program are only able to be restored by that program. Meaning, you can't restore a CWM backup using TWRP and you can't restore a TWRP backup using CWM.
If you use TWRP v2.2.1, the INTERNAL SD card mount point is \data\media instead of extSdCard. That's really confusing for CWM users and really annoying general.
You can flash recovery zips in both CWM or TWRP.. I flash my .zips from the external card now that I'm using TWRP.....
Both great programs....:good:

My favorite part about TWRP is that you can enable compression on nandroid backups.
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cellgeek said:
I've used CWM since it was available for the Samsung Captivate. Great program. I'm now using TWRP, and I like it better. It appears to be faster, quicker backups and allows for more options. TWRP feels more responsive than Touch CWM (and I paid for that program).
Two points to consider. Backups for each program are only able to be restored by that program. Meaning, you can't restore a CWM backup using TWRP and you can't restore a TWRP backup using CWM.
If you use TWRP v2.2.1, the INTERNAL SD card mount point is \data\media instead of extSdCard. That's really confusing for CWM users and really annoying general.
You can flash recovery zips in both CWM or TWRP.. I flash my .zips from the external card now that I'm using TWRP.....
Both great programs....:good:
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Yep, I too had been using cwm since my first Captivate...and have always enjoyed it but have also recently switched to TWRP and find it to be better and plan to use it now.as.my only recovery.
It is unfortunate but true that u can't restore backups from the others program so all.my old.cwm nandroid backups are basically useless now unless I reinstall cwm but that's OK moving forward I guess.
I too was a bit confused by the internal.SD card file.system location in data/media and still.don't understand it but as long as u know then its OK. So far it sounds like twrp is the future of recovery and more and more people are switching...and the touch function and extra options.are.nice.features.
The bottom line is as long as I am not missing out on something or losing some important functionality then I'm fine with the switch from cwm and.will.stay with TWRP but will never deny the popularity and usefulness of cwm and how it got me going in the whole.game of flashing and.mod'ing phones.

TWRP is by far the best recovery I have ever used. I couldn't imagine life without it now.

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TWRP is by far the best recovery I have ever used. I couldn't imagine life without it now.
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I totally agree. I was using CWM on my Thrill and didn't get a chance to use TWRP till I got my Fire. Now I will only use TWRP. CWM is an excellent recovery but I like the features of TWRP better.
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a lot of the rooting/recovery guides are suggesting to use clockwork recovery, is that just because twrp wasn't really supported back then? any issues noticed with using twrp on the sgs3?

as with all programs there is no "best" just personal preference: try one, then the other and settle on that which suits yoiur phone and needs "the best"
I tried TWRP and went back to CWM -- many others, obviously, tried and preferred TWRP

TWRP is easier & more efficient to use. Bar none.
But with that said, IMO CWM is still the better recovery for some situations. First, there is more support for CWM still.
Second, if you use a ROM's built in functionality to update itself (like AOKP has), then that requires CWM as far as I can tell.
Also keep in mind that it's easier to screw up on TWRP because it is touch-based. I've accidentally pressed buttons without meaning to. It's only a matter of time before that gets me into trouble.
I just wish CWM would remove the thousand "no" that you have to sort through before getting to a "yes". And I wish they would update it more often.
I did pay for my ClockworkMOD, btw.

hey guys please give me tips on the twrp
i gave up on cwm i couldn't install cm10 on my galaxy s3 i747m ROGERS (at&t)
so can someone walk me through the twrp way of flashing cm10 rom
pleaaaaaaasee
cheers

totti107 said:
hey guys please give me tips on the twrp
i gave up on cwm i couldn't install cm10 on my galaxy s3 i747m ROGERS (at&t)
so can someone walk me through the twrp way of flashing cm10 rom
pleaaaaaaasee
cheers
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Exactly the same as cwm. Except all wiping option are put together in the wipe menu, you can select multiple file to flash on after another and fix permissions is in the advanced menu.
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CZ Eddie said:
TWRP is easier & more efficient to use. Bar none.
But with that said, IMO CWM is still the better recovery for some situations. First, there is more support for CWM still.
Second, if you use a ROM's built in functionality to update itself (like AOKP has), then that requires CWM as far as I can tell.
Also keep in mind that it's easier to screw up on TWRP because it is touch-based. I've accidentally pressed buttons without meaning to. It's only a matter of time before that gets me into trouble.
I just wish CWM would remove the thousand "no" that you have to sort through before getting to a "yes". And I wish they would update it more often.
I did pay for my ClockworkMOD, btw.
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I use the touch version of cwm and am very thankful for the thousands no's, help mitigate those "oh crap" moments that touch screen introduces.
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CZ Eddie said:
TWRP is easier & more efficient to use. Bar none.
But with that said, IMO CWM is still the better recovery for some situations. First, there is more support for CWM still.
Second, if you use a ROM's built in functionality to update itself (like AOKP has), then that requires CWM as far as I can tell.
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Task and ktoonzes aokp ota updater now works with the newest twrp.

TWRP. I like its layout, and love that I can build a stack of .zips to flash. (Not sure if CWM has that feature, won't be causing me to switch over to it.)

Encrytion and backups!
The most impressive feature of TWRP hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet.. TWRP supports flashing ROM's on devices that have been fully encrypted !
Also, it allows for backup and restore of ROMs on encrypted devices that neither CWM nor CWM Touch support.

OhNJ n
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TWRP Problem!

Hi, So when I tried to open up twrp recovery, it wouldnt open....it would just stay at the logo and blink every now.and then....So I used oden and installed cwm over twrp and it was fine....I didnt like cwm so I went back to twrp..... it works fine and I can do everything EXCEPT some files are inaccessible and every time I flash something,it works but also gives me the error measages in the image I posted... does anyone know how to fix this?
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Hi, So when I tried to open up twrp recovery, it wouldnt open....it would just stay at the logo and blink every now.and then....So I used oden and installed cwm over twrp and it was fine....I didnt like cwm so I went back to twrp..... it works fine and I can do everything EXCEPT some files are inaccessible and every time I flash something,it works but also gives me the error measages in the image I posted... does anyone know how to fix this.
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Maybe try installing twrp from goo manager while connected to WiFi to ensure a good download
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I had the same exact problem a couple days ago. I fixed it by going Into goo manager and re flashing a new TWRP. I did it on Mobile Data, worked fine!
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Go back to 2.3.3.0. Search for the flashables ones. Since 2.4.2.1 TWRP have a lot of issues.
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I see a lot of people complaining about TWRP related issues with various versions of this recovery.
Is there any reason people don't talk about CWM around here? I've been using different versions of cwm touch and twrp ... And I'm honestly pretty happy with cwm.
Why does it appear that people avoid talking about cwm? ... If indeed it works as well as it seems to me that it does?

One reason is that a lot of people think it's better and recommend it to others. I used cwm on my old evo and was going to when I got my s3, but most people and roms were recommending twrp. I've been using it and have tried out cwm as well. For me, at least it hasn't been problematic, but I don't download them through the goo manager. As I feel like I have less control over what I'm getting (I don't even know what version I'm getting until after I download it). That, and I just don't trust the phone to download without errors even when on Wi-Fi.
Just my two cents.
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I just actually switched to cwm a couple days ago because twrp had been giving me backup and restore problems.. everything twrp can do cwm does also, and it seems to be faster backing up and restoring also, but that might just be placebo... devs recommend twrp because that is what their Rom/kernel/mod was tested with... 99% of the time cwm will work just fine also
SPRINT GS3 FAQ

It might be that people are ignorant about cwm just like people are about androids
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razzack3000 said:
It might be that people are ignorant about cwm just like people are about androids
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Actually, having used both, I think TWRP had been the better of the two because of the ease of naming your nandroids and the fact that backups in TWRP don't take up so much space as the CWM backups do. Have you seem the crazy Blobs folder in CWM? I like backing stuff up to the PC, but the CWM backups made that process extremely painful. I don't know what happened to make TWRP so unreliable recently, but I just noticed a newer version is out: 2.5.0.0
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DurhamHusker said:
I see a lot of people complaining about TWRP related issues with various versions of this recovery.
Is there any reason people don't talk about CWM around here? I've been using different versions of cwm touch and twrp ... And I'm honestly pretty happy with cwm.
Why does it appear that people avoid talking about cwm? ... If indeed it works as well as it seems to me that it does?
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There's nothing bad about CWM, but is 2013 and you can't rename your nands which is very important(not necesary) in a phone which date as 1970. Also the touch version looks like a '90 recovery.
But if you want a issues free TWRP go back to 2.3.3.0.
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I did that... Now it only recognizes my ext sd card and the 0 folder in my internal storage that I clear out a while ago
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topherk said:
One reason is that a lot of people think it's better and recommend it to others. I used cwm on my old evo and was going to when I got my s3, but most people and roms were recommending twrp. I've been using it and have tried out cwm as well. For me, at least it hasn't been problematic, but I don't download them through the goo manager. As I feel like I have less control over what I'm getting (I don't even know what version I'm getting until after I download it). That, and I just don't trust the phone to download without errors even when on Wi-Fi.
Just my two cents.
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If you update from goo manager, a pop up will tell you what version you are about to install beforehand. Also the webpage that it takes you to in order to start the auto download also states the name of the .IMG which also indicates version. I know what you mean about trusting downloads from the phone though. I personally think that is the reason a lot of people have issues with twrp. I've always updated to the latest twrp and flash almost daily, but have never had to switch versions because of bugs. All versions have ran perfect for me.
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It might be that people are ignorant about cwm just like people are about androids
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I've used both for quite a while. I used to only use cwm for the longest but decided to try out twrp because of those ridiculous blobs! What's with that? So I decided to try twrp and I've stayed because of all the little features like a warnings before you wipe things you shouldn't, option to flash more than one zip at once, option to clear cache and dalvik right after flashing, etc... Plus there are some pretty major features that get overlooked. Like the built in file browser. I installed miui once and it created a folder I could not delete and keep deleted. Every time I would reboot, it would come back. Twrp file browser deleted it and kept it deleted. The only thing I don't like about twrp is the system date and time being way off.
Edit: Lol. I've edited like 5 times because I keep wanting to add more info. Also, twrp doesn't take ages to fix permissions. As long as cwm takes, I can just do it manually
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I've been on 2.4.0 and 2.4.4, and only had to do backups but haven't tried to restore yet, so after hearing all the war stories, I went back to 2.3.1.

UPDATE: I just upgraded from 2.3.1 to 2.5.0, performed wipes, a backup and a restore and all went perfectly smooth. The only issue was the time was 2 hours behind what it should have been for US central, so I selected 2 hours ahead and chose military time (my preference) and I'm happy.

Where did you get 2.5.5?i only found 2.5.0
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oops, I mean't 2.5.0

Wich recovery?

Im new to this device and have been reading through the dev forums and notice that everyone uses different recoveries. Does it matter really wich one you use? I like twrp but I had problems with it when I had my g2x. Is there a deffinitave answer as to wich one works best on this device? (CWM or TWRP) I know that this is mostly based on user preference but it seems that some custom roms will only install on a specific recovery.
Thanks in advance.
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personally everyone has there own opinion i use CWM on my vibrant & GS2 but i use TWRP on my nexus s and nexus 7 not sure what my mytouch uses but CWM for always will and always has worked well without any bugs or hiccups that TWRP sometimes has but TWRP is very simple and straight forward its all on whats your preference though if you are going to use TWRP the latest is 2.6 and you should not flash it through GOO manager use the odin file when you get there

TWRP is by far a better way to go, not that CWM is a bad recovery, its just not updated frequently, and with the new scripts flashing jb roms sometimes things don't always work right, I've used both and I think twrp is a better choice, I've never had an issue with it like I have on cwm, plus with twrp u won't need superwipe scripts or anything like that anymore, overall I think its a more complete recovery
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TWRP Problems

Im running TWRP 2.6.0.0 and cannot for the life of me get it to backup..
I keep getting a
"Failed tarring split files"
so can anyone pinpoint me in the right direction to fix this? and or a link to the newest TWRP for my S4 (kitkat)

Newest twrp is 2.6.3.1:
http://techerrata.com/browse/twrp2/jfltetmo (Lookup supported devices)
I've installed this and works. Also supersu (root) works as well.
MobileOdinPro is unsupported ,but thats a different story.

After trying out these recoveries, why people don't use PhilZ cwm based touch recovery is beyond me. As far as I am concerned, the stability is eons ahead of TWRP. Just my own viewpoint.
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xdapowerapps said:
After trying out these recoveries, why people don't use PhilZ cwm based touch recovery is beyond me. As far as I am concerned, the stability is eons ahead of TWRP. Just my own viewpoint.
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It's a personal opinion. What Philz gives in stability it lacks in speed. (Backups take MUCH longer in Philz)
So it's a matter of what's important to each person.
Though personally I've never had an issue with TWRP. They had some wonky versions along the way, but the latest one is fine.

Skipjacks said:
It's a personal opinion. What Philz gives in stability it lacks in speed. (Backups take MUCH longer in Philz)
So it's a matter of what's important to each person.
Though personally I've never had an issue with TWRP. They had some wonky versions along the way, but the latest one is fine.
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I'd have to agree, Philz is not as snappy. I have not tried 2.6 TWRP yet, so I won't pass judgement on it. I might give it a shot and see how that goes. :fingers-crossed:

well good news is I got it to do a full backup without updating TWRP... Only thing I had to do what do a fresh install of my rom..
I was trying to make a full backup with all apps installed and it wouldnt do it.. so I freshly installed my rom again and kernal and it backed up just fine..
maybe its a size thing? i dunno.. but ill be upgrading twrp this weekend.