Does the UHS (Ultra High Speed) feature of some Class 10 MicroSD Cards mounted in Galaxy S3 or Note2 phones sometimes decrease the reliability of those cards, leading to pre-mature card failure?
See related post at Android Forums.com written March, 2013 by a senior member there:
androidforums.com/5686850-post41.html
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When posting, is XDA trying to kill us newbies with those ridiculously complicated image verifications? Or is it just because i'm using a mobile phone with a (relatively) small screen? Sound verification is even worse--no visible virtual keyboard! I imagine XDA administrators releasing a pleasant sigh while turning a big knob that makes identity verification increasingly more complex as noobs ask the same questions (like these ones) for the upteenth time. Why can't noobs just suffer in peace? I know, not the correct forum. Nevermind (my 2nd post).
UHS conflict with S3 & Note2 (cont)
I'm thinking that maybe there's a tradeoff when designing UHS type MicroSD Cards between backward compatability with non-UHS capable devices (like S3, Note2) and top UHS speed (for UHS-enabled devices like S4, Note3). I'm not familiar with the electronic circuitry--i'm just tired of MicroSD Card unreliability as the industry standard. I'm imagining that in the design process, maybe the reliability of the card when in backward compatability mode (eg, when inserted into S3 or Note2 phones) is necessarily compromised in porportion to the optimization of the UHS circuit included for UHS-enabled devices (eg, for the S4 & Note3 phones). Anybody know anything about that?
Does the 32GB Class 10 MicroSD Card that Samsung recomends for the S3 and Note2 have the UHS feature? That would be a clue. That card is not in stock, hasn't been in stock for awhile at least, so i can't buy it to find out.
Also, why does Samsung not try to sell a more expensive (and thus more profitable) 64GB MicroSD Card to S3 and Note2 owners? That capacity is not in the list of recomended accessories for S3, Note2 on Samsung's website. Is it just to reduce calls to their customer service due to the fact that the default file system on 64GB MicroSD Cards (ie Microsoft ExFat) is not accessible to Android devices (like S3 & Note2) without a third party pay-for app (due to licensing restrictions)? Couldn't Samsung easily format those cards upon manufacture with a Linux file system instead? But i suppose then ur Windows or Mac desktop computer might be unable to read the card without 3rd party software or drivers...
I'm not asking Samsung to recomend the larger-capacity cards, i'm just wondering if this is somehow related to premature failure of some cards, and how it is related. I know some S3, Note2 users love their 64GB Samsung Pro, Class 10, UHS-1 MicroSD Card and it may last years. I'm not denying that some cards from various manufacturers and re-sellers are reliable, but industry average is abysmal (i suspect, don't know) and we can't just blame it all on eBay or China or a bad batch now and again from Sandisk who developed the technology. Something is amiss, maybe several things. I'm sure that if MicroSD Cards were made with the very expensive SLC technology (one bit per cell, instead of two or more bits per cell, or something like that), then reliability would increase, but by how much? I suspect that there may be some simple, cost-effective answers out there already known but not revealed for whatever reasons (it's a conspiracy), or perhaps i just need to learn more about it.
One informative and somewhat related white paper that i did read from NEC Labs is titled, "Revisiting Storage for Smartphones (Kim 2013)". U can google n read it for free, but it's a bit dry.
Please don't post ur personal experience with individual MicroSD Cards here in this thread, but if u read some interesting market analysis/statistics about this stuff, i for one would like to hear it. XDA was once a great forum, but now it's overgrown with the weeds of individual MicroSD Card reliability complaints (and the corresponding refutations: "Don jinx that card! Mine still works great! U musta lived a bad life!") (ha!). Admitedly, not all the bad cards are really bad, and of course proprietary file systems are often to blame: "Every time i move my 64GB MicroSD Card from my phone to my desktop computer or back i have to reformat the card, so instead, when i want to transfer files, i just email myself with the files attached". Ah, thas sad.
I have been writing to Samsung about these things and hope to post more info here if and when it arrives, but don't hold ur breath. I don't feel very well-informed.
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Will it work on the xda IIs?
It may. A user on another forum just reported succesfully using a Tanscend 4gb card in his XV6600 even though he was told it would only support 2gb...http://www.pdaphonehome.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=61612
Have tested with 2GB SData SD card myself, works fine. Didn't have 4gb but it should work as well.
The SX66 supported SD list was created back when the highest SD card was like 512meg or 1gig, that's why the supported lists are different
hi, thanks for the replies. i see it everything should be fine using a 4gb sd card.
due to the nature of the BA, and as far as i kno all other fairly recent PDAs they will support all current and future SD cards as they don't suffer the limited memory addressing of smaller less complex devices such as normal mobile phones like nokias and digital cameras
i've read somewhere the SD card standard will theoretically go up to 16gb, lets hope they arn't too far away, and that the BA will support it.
Still hoping some random company will develop and release an SDIO USB host though. Damn the BA not having Compact Flash.
http://www.everythingusb.com/news/index/5929.htm
http://sandisk.com/Products/Item(1239)-SDSDPH-1024-SanDisk_Ultra_II_SD_Plus_USB_1GB.aspx
Much cheaper, and from SanDisk...
1 GB SD which doubles as a USB thimbdrive w/o need for adapter. MSRP $134.99
Hello!
I want to buy new microSDHC card to my phone and I'm wondering which one is the best.
There are three priorities for me:
- SDHC
- 4GB
- minimum class 6
I found TRANSCEND microSDHC 4GB Class 6 and SILICON POWER 4GB microSDHC CLASS 6. Which one is better? Or maybe you advice something else?
THere is a lot of disscussion about this in this forum. Please search
Sometimes it's hard to find sth when does not speak the native english. Can you please give me the link to this discussion or just post the answer?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=553412&highlight=sdhc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416866&highlight=sdhc
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=493247&highlight=sdhc
Thanks! I've already studied thread nr 1 and 3 and nothing special there. Number 2 is 16GB and 32GB - I need just 4GB and not for WM but for Linux (ext4 and maybe one fat32 partition on it).
well if it's a pda device then it's interface cant keep up with even the normal card speeds
so high speed cards only really matter when you have it connected to a card reader connected to a computer
Rudegar said:
well if it's a pda device then it's interface cant keep up with even the normal card speeds
so high speed cards only really matter when you have it connected to a card reader connected to a computer
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So it's better to buy class 4 but 8GB that 4GB class 6?
i have not seen any difference personally between 4 & 6. so go for highest capacity.
i have used quite a few brands and all my cards now are sandisk. None of them have given me a problem.
most important thimg regarding performance is to make sure that its genunine. more than 85% of cards sold these days are duplicate.
michal_banszel said:
Thanks! I've already studied thread nr 1 and 3 and nothing special there. Number 2 is 16GB and 32GB - I need just 4GB and not for WM but for Linux (ext4 and maybe one fat32 partition on it).
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I don't know jack about linux or 'rooting' onto an sd card, but if I were going to do it, I would make sure that I got the highest quality card available. I've corrupted my 16 G card too many times (mostly my fault, lol) to trust it for running linux off of it. Get something hardy that won't become corrupted, like if the device freezes and you need to reset it. My guess is that you're better off with a smaller card (like the 4 GB one). I'd stay away from a big one if you don't need it.
Basically, it's a huge PITA when your card becomes hopelessly corrupted and you need to back it up and re-format it. I imagine it's a nightmare when your operating system is running off of said card when it becomes corrupted.
Farmer Ted said:
I don't know jack about linux or 'rooting' onto an sd card, but if I were going to do it, I would make sure that I got the highest quality card available. I've corrupted my 16 G card too many times (mostly my fault, lol) to trust it for running linux off of it. Get something hardy that won't become corrupted, like if the device freezes and you need to reset it. My guess is that you're better off with a smaller card (like the 4 GB one). I'd stay away from a big one if you don't need it.
Basically, it's a huge PITA when your card becomes hopelessly corrupted and you need to back it up and re-format it. I imagine it's a nightmare when your operating system is running off of said card when it becomes corrupted.
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That's right!
"most important thimg regarding performance is to make sure that its genunine. more than 85% of cards sold these days are duplicate."
what do you mean? TRANSCEND and SILICON POWER are genuine?
on my purpose,there ARE differences between class 4 and class 6 ,but there are to small differences in speed to pay the double price...I just using class2 Devices (on 3 PDA Phones,2 NDS and an PSP),i never felt there are to slow,yeah on PSP you really fell the difference between an MemoryStick Pro MkII and an Class2 Toshiba MicroSDHC,but for me personally it does not matter -the most of People buy Great Capacity Drives for Media Files right ? ....and Media Files like Movies,Mp3´s etc. running well on Class2 Cards!
Excuse me to say that...but SanDisk Sucks!
a lot of the Sandisk card have Chips from China
(i Don´t know on Class 4 or 6 Cards,but Class2 Card from Sandisk always have Chinese Chips....and there bullsh...)
Japanese Chips (like Cards from Kingston and Toshiba) are a lot better on speed and are a lot more reliable than Chinese Chips
I made my Experiences ,never by SanDisk....
just every Media Market have SanDisk- but that doesn´t mean there are really good..
I have Cards from Siemens,SanDisk,Kingston,Nokia,Toshiba and Motorola (Nokia,Siemens and Motorola are OEM- so i don´t know who produced them)) I have over 20! Cards between 64mb and 16gb---yeah and San Disk are the worst ..dood!
and there IS a Difference between Class4 and 6 Cards,but i think personally there are to less to pay the double Price for it
I have 3 PDA ,2 NDS and an PSP,all of them has Class 2 Cards and i never felt that there are to slow...most of the Devices on the market are to slow to feel the REAL Power of an Class6 Card!
Hi,
I am pretty confident at this point I'll be picking up a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 once it hits the market (presuming it's not banned off the face of the Earth by Apple first, somehow), but I have a question, and, I'm not entirely clear on something:
The Note II comes in three variants, 16 GB, 32 GB and 64 GB. However, what's the point of buying anything other than the 16 GB (maybe 32 GB) if it supports up to 64 GB via micro SDHC? Plus, to my understanding you can install apps directly to the MSDHC as well? I presume this is due to local caching, performance, etc. which is why you would want to use local storage only, but, to that, I ask: if you buy the 64 GB, is there really enough of a reason to require it? The app store just doesn't provide enough interest to need it for apps themselves, music and video can put dumped in the much cheaper MSDHC instead; so why buy the higher storage capacity? I know this is a very subjective thing, so, it's a bit of preference involved, but, I'm curious to know what the leading factors are, so when the time comes to pay the premium I'll know for sure what I'll be picking up internal-storage wise.
Anyone who wants to clear this up for me, please, do, I'm sure I'm missing something fundamental here.
Exino said:
Hi,
I am pretty confident at this point I'll be picking up a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 once it hits the market (presuming it's not banned off the face of the Earth by Apple first, somehow), but I have a question, and, I'm not entirely clear on something:
The Note II comes in three variants, 16 GB, 32 GB and 64 GB. However, what's the point of buying anything other than the 16 GB (maybe 32 GB) if it supports up to 64 GB via micro SDHC? Plus, to my understanding you can install apps directly to the MSDHC as well? I presume this is due to local caching, performance, etc. which is why you would want to use local storage only, but, to that, I ask: if you buy the 64 GB, is there really enough of a reason to require it? The app store just doesn't provide enough interest to need it for apps themselves, music and video can put dumped in the much cheaper MSDHC instead; so why buy the higher storage capacity? I know this is a very subjective thing, so, it's a bit of preference involved, but, I'm curious to know what the leading factors are, so when the time comes to pay the premium I'll know for sure what I'll be picking up internal-storage wise.
Anyone who wants to clear this up for me, please, do, I'm sure I'm missing something fundamental here.
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Internal NAND is usually orders of magnitude faster. Also, it is less complicated to deal with when you dont have to play the "Which Partition To Use Today" game.
Its not worth getting anything over 16gb as long as you can expand with micro sd. If no external storage is available, that's the only reason to get a 32 or 64 variant.
Plus, that extra storage is WAY over priced. A 32gb micro sd card can be as low as 20 bucks if you shop around. A 64gb can be had for about 50 bucks, so paying an extra 150 for the 64 over the 16 is robbery.
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Eun-Hjzjined said:
Its not worth getting anything over 16gb as long as you can expand with micro sd. If no external storage is available, that's the only reason to get a 32 or 64 variant.
Plus, that extra storage is WAY over priced. A 32gb micro sd card can be as low as 20 bucks if you shop around. A 64gb can be had for about 50 bucks, so paying an extra 150 for the 64 over the 16 is robbery.
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Internal NAND will be faster, bar none, than any SD card on the market. Class 10 or not. Its not a rip off, and it very well could mean the difference between slow loading apps (if they reside on the SD card) and a lagless experience. Just letting you know.
If all you plan to store is media, then by all means go for the minimum and augment with an SD card, but it it NOT robbery to be given far faster storage. It is like the difference between an IDE drive and SATA. No comparison or contest when it comes to board-mounted NAND.
I appreciate all the responses so far. I'm thinking I might just get the 32 GB middle-ground in this case (which is what I did when I bought my to-be-replaced iPhone 4), and it's served me well enough. If the difference between 32 GB and 64 GB ends up being $50.00 I'll likely just pick up the larger one as, at least in Canada, it's a 3-year phone term, so, I might as well add as much life to it as I can up front.
I definitely agree with the NAND vs MSDHC performance. The reason I only question it is that I am, of course, thinking of only doing a media dump on the device. Now, I also plan on loading in direct Blu-ray to 720p files, so, I'm not sure of the performance marker there of pulling 720p content from a MSDHC to the device would be, but I can only imagine my performance would be better realised if I was pulling it direct off the NAND.
I guess it'll come down to price, more than anything. I am not heavy into doing large-media storage, so, I doubt there will be much going on where I really need to hit 128 GB of space, but, you know, having the option is nice, especially when travelling around. At least Samsung didn't decide to get foolish and only offer the internal NAND as options, MSDHC is definitely a very nice feature in a device that's intended to bridge the smartphone and tablet market.
...it will also come down to what AT&T offers!!!!
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Exino said:
Hi,
I am pretty confident at this point I'll be picking up a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 once it hits the market (presuming it's not banned off the face of the Earth by Apple first, somehow), but I have a question, and, I'm not entirely clear on something:
The Note II comes in three variants, 16 GB, 32 GB and 64 GB. However, what's the point of buying anything other than the 16 GB (maybe 32 GB) if it supports up to 64 GB via micro SDHC? Plus, to my understanding you can install apps directly to the MSDHC as well? I presume this is due to local caching, performance, etc. which is why you would want to use local storage only, but, to that, I ask: if you buy the 64 GB, is there really enough of a reason to require it? The app store just doesn't provide enough interest to need it for apps themselves, music and video can put dumped in the much cheaper MSDHC instead; so why buy the higher storage capacity? I know this is a very subjective thing, so, it's a bit of preference involved, but, I'm curious to know what the leading factors are, so when the time comes to pay the premium I'll know for sure what I'll be picking up internal-storage wise.
Anyone who wants to clear this up for me, please, do, I'm sure I'm missing something fundamental here.
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It's the same game that has been around for decades now regarding storage space and price. The price per unit of storage is always going down and your usage of said storage is always going up. One day you will be wondering how you lived with anything less than an Exabyte of space and laugh at those who paid $100 per terabyte. There are only relative usage profiles for the space and everyone's budget is also relative. For me, I will be rocking the 64GB variant with a 64GB micro SD card and claim 128GB in 2012... but you sir will have the last laugh at my expense
16gb internal with micro sd is better, so all game data will go to internal sd, while all your important file(pics,mp3,vids etc) in your micro sd(whatever size it is) much safer if something wrong happen to internal sd
32gb way to much, better having a large micro sd than internal sd
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If its anything like the S3 you wont be able to move apps to a sd card.
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If its anything like the S3 you wont be able to move apps to a sd card.
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16gb wont enough?
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robyr said:
Internal NAND will be faster, bar none, than any SD card on the market. Class 10 or not. Its not a rip off, and it very well could mean the difference between slow loading apps (if they reside on the SD card) and a lagless experience. Just letting you know.
If all you plan to store is media, then by all means go for the minimum and augment with an SD card, but it it NOT robbery to be given far faster storage. It is like the difference between an IDE drive and SATA. No comparison or contest when it comes to board-mounted NAND.
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Sweeping comment, TROLLING?? I have seen many Micro SD cards from Sandisk reaching upto 100MBps despite being marketed as Class 10. This is VERY IRRESPONSIBLE comment as there is no holy grail engraved in your beloved "NAND" Flash. Its just a type of flash and doesn't dictate in terms of performance unless Samsung's hardware can not utilize the higher speed Micro SD cards.
One major benefit of having 64GB onboard would be Micro SD card will become more redundant if you live with that space for years. Also, you would have an opportunity to have upto 124GB or so when using 64GB Micro SD cards (I am optimistic though that these new phones may support even higher capacity 128GB or so MSD cards may be after some software tweaks by some of our dev gurus here).
rashid.fairus said:
16gb wont enough?
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Not for me. I ran out of storage already.
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Prankey said:
Its just a type of flash and doesn't dictate in terms of performance unless Samsung's hardware can not utilize the higher speed Micro SD cards.
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All card readers/writers have their throughput limits.
How fast the note 2's is is yet to be determined.
Has anyone determined the max write /read speed of the note 1?
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When I get my Note2 I am immediately going to buy SanDisk 64GB MicroSDXC Mobile Ultra.
But the salesman told me that 64GB don't work very well with smartphones. I did quick search and saw some SIII user having issues with their 64GB card (Showing files on computer).
Is it true? I highly doubt the salesman knowledge of smartphones but I don't want to waste money on expensive card.
It must work with note2 as it perfectly works with s2...
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ali_plus said:
When I get my Note2 I am immediately going to buy SanDisk 64GB MicroSDXC Mobile Ultra.
But the salesman told me that 64GB don't work very well with smartphones. I did quick search and saw some SIII user having issues with their 64GB card (Showing files on computer).
Is it true? I highly doubt the salesman knowledge of smartphones but I don't want to waste money on expensive card.
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Everything is a guess at this point. Just make sure you buy a retail SanDisk card, not a knockoff...hard to tell these days. And that it's formatted in a specified file format.
I've been using a 64GB on the Galaxy S and SII Skyrocket without problems for some time now. It's just a little slow.
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Check out my huge collection of 64GB Samsung Galaxy Note 2 Videos (Demos, Accessory Reviews)
No dice on two separate 64GB SDXC cards in my GSIII, both real deals from Amazon, a solution I read was to format it with a PC to FAT32 but my intention was HD content (i.e. 4GB+) so that was a no go. Now I have two 32GB SDHC cards which work perfectly. YMMV
It is quiet simple. That may be work or not...... I also saw few cases where 64 gb card not work perfectly.
Specs for the Note 2 on Samsung site say it will officially support 64gb sd card where I think most other phones only support 32gb but can still work with 64gb, someone correct me if I'm wrong. Also 128gb would be a really nice match to that quad core and 2gb ram.
Samsung claims the S3 supports 64GB cards formatted as exFAT, but it, in fact, does not. Unless they corrected the issue with the Note 2, you have to format your 64GB card as FAT32. It will still work, but you lose some significant advantages by doing so. As far as I know, Samsung has not acknowledged the issue.
I am using a 64gb SanDisk micro SDXC in my Galaxy Note I as a type. I did have to use a special program to format it into Fat32 though, because my windows 7 PC didn't allow me to format it as Fat32. The name of the program eludes me at the moment, but I will post it again once I remember.
Why woold you ever listen to a sales rep?
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This tool is helpful because the quick format is disabled in Windows for anything over 32GB (GUI shows nothing and command prompt only allows complete format, which is really slow).
This tool will save you time, as it allows for quick formatting of 32GB+ MicroSD cards in Windows.
Main page:
http://www.partition-tool.com/personal.htm
CNet Download page:
http://download.cnet.com/EaseUS-Partition-Master-Home-Edition/3000-2248_4-10863346.html
Hit "Thanks" if this helped, or will help you in the future
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64 gb card works great.
Good lord, so much poor information in this thread.
Firstly, the S3 DOES work with exFAT formatted 64GB micro SDXC cards, Samsung explicitly added support for exFAT with specific drivers for it (check Supercurios Voodoo Report breakdown for further confirmation). That's why Samsung said that it works with cards up to 64GB in their official announcement, where they have not said that before (even though all their phones work with the 64GB cards when formatted to Fat32).
I have used one in my International S3 for a couple of months since release, and now in my AT&T S3 for something like a month without any issues whatsoever. There are some people who had issues, but it's not clear what the cause is as far as I'm aware.
Even if exFAT support is not offered the Note 2 will work with Fat32-formatted 64GB cards. I have no doubt whatsoever about that - they have worked in every device I've ever tried them in when formatted to Fat32. That's more than a dozen devices now including Symbian handsets, and Android devices running on Froyo and every version of the OS since then: http://www.androidnz.net/2011/09/sandisk-64gb-micro-sdxc-cards-confirmed.html. They have been confirmed working in various feature phones even.
If anyone is still in doubt I will post confirmation with my Note II when it comes early October (or earlier if Samsung have their release event here in NZ before then).
Size doesn't matters
In fact size doesn't matters (that's what she said... wait, no... )
I have a 128 GB SDcard perfectly working on my note 1 with an microSD<>SDcard adapter, because FAT32 formatted (I never tried exFAT filesystem, I don't know how classical linux OS handle it)
So I'd say as long as you stick with the old Fat32, it will be alright !
(the system seems to be quite ok with it, except that it takes a while when rebuilding the database for music... Because of the 95+ GB of it.
I know that there is a size limitation in windows when formating in FAT32 system, but this limitation doesn't exist in linux, and I have used Hardrives of 1 TB fat32 formatted under linux and windows without any problems, except this 4GB file size limitation...
Boujou bien!:laugh:
Couple of questions for 64gb card users:
1. How much time does it it take to fill up the card with music files?
2. How much time does it take for the Note 2 to scan the database?
Thanks in advance
elfary said:
Couple of questions for 64gb card users:
1. How much time does it it take to fill up the card with music files?
2. How much time does it take for the Note 2 to scan the database?
Thanks in advance
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In relation to your second question:
Media scanning (after the initial one) doesn't take too long - much better to use something like PowerAMP that has its own separate library though. For one thing PowerAMP can read tags properly, and secondly you can exclude your music folder from the stock app so the system doesn't index it.
NZtechfreak said:
In relation to your second question:
Media scanning (after the initial one) doesn't take too long - much better to use something like PowerAMP that has its own separate library though. For one thing PowerAMP can read tags properly, and secondly you can exclude your music folder from the stock app so the system doesn't index it.
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Thanks again man!.
Actually i was settling for Player Pro since it's my idea to keep on using my iTunes generated smart playlists which are based on the last played criteria and rating. Hence Player Pro / iSynchr looked well suited for that task.
Do some research on Power Amp but it's my intention to stay away from any digital sound processing which seems to be Power Amp strongest suit. I'd want it keep the signal path as simple as headphone out + UM3x.
I bought that exact card, hopefully I will get it later today. EXCITED.
elfary said:
Thanks again man!.
Actually i was settling for Player Pro since it's my idea to keep on using my iTunes generated smart playlists which are based on the last played criteria and rating. Hence Player Pro / iSynchr looked well suited for that task.
Do some research on Power Amp but it's my intention to stay away from any digital sound processing which seems to be Power Amp strongest suit. I'd want it keep the signal path as simple as headphone out + UM3x.
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Fair point, I'm almost always listening through a DAC so sound processing doesn't bother me, I like a lot of the other features from PowerAMP. Sounds like you're all set though!
I'm looking to buy a Sandisk Ultra either 32gb or 64gb (was looking for 64 but now I'm having second thoughts).
Since 64gb exFAT seems a no-go and FAT32 is very inefficient for such a "large" drive... can I format a 32gb microSD in exFAT and so take advantage of that file system in my Note2? Thans in advance for the answer, I'm buying on Monday and need to make a choice =)
i got just that 64gb card and it works flawless.
Hello.
The phone has UFS 3.0 storage support, but does it support UFS cards?
I've tried 256gb card and my N10+ doesn't recognize it.
I believe the best card you can put in is microSDXC, the UFS is likely purely the internal memory as UFS isn't compatible with the MicroSD formats so making the slot take UFS would of likely made getting expansion cards harder and potentially more expensive.
so the Note 10+ won't recognise the card as the pin locations on the cards are totally different, so the card is likely just not making any contact inside the phone so likely acting as if you just put a blank in.
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Hello.
The phone has UFS 3.0 storage support, but does it support UFS cards?
I've tried 256gb card and my N10+ doesn't recognize it.
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When I first heard about that standard I was fascinated. Samsung invented that storage standard and they are MUCH faster than the SD card standard. It could be that what it would cost to make that a standard used by other device manufacturers unfortunately I believe is a hurdle too large for Samsung to overcome. I believe that is the only reason why Samsung does not bother. However, if they offered phones that could handle the UFS cards, and also offered the UFS cards - (and this is key) - and then licensed the technology to other manufacturers - I believe they would sell so many that it would become a standard that might take a while but would most likely eclipse the old SD standard. Maybe there is some kind of design flaw that Samsung is not explaining to people that makes it more expensive to be able to utilize the UFS standard? Thoughts?
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[email protected] said:
Hello.
The phone has UFS 3.0 storage support, but does it support UFS cards?
I've tried 256gb card and my N10+ doesn't recognize it.
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Just adding to the conversation, got me curious...
Checked Samsung's site, seems the UFS Cards are only compatible with certain models of Samsung's laptop PCs.
For those who are interested, see specs in the link below for compatible device model numbers (same link as in the OP) :
https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/memory-storage/memory-cards/mb-fa256g-am-mb-fa256g-am/
2 years since UFS card was released, only 26 devices support it...way to go Samsung..
it's the case with most storage devices, you go with a standard connection or you struggle to get others to pick it up. had Samsung started making this standard in their phones it likely would have seen a larger outcry than the removal of the SD slot as it would force those who use them to buy new cards as it has no cross compatibility with SD.
had they found a way to do this expanding the SD technology it would have became far more common but on a new format it will take a long long time to get traction and is more likely to be put in devices that can have multiple storage connectors, as it allows them to give legacy support with support for the new.
then there is getting third party support iif it is something that needs to be licensed from Samsung for every device it goes in, as it will just add production costs to devices.
it's the same if you look at M2 hard drives in PC's, PCIe drives have been around for years the M2 connector has been about a fair while now, but it still has relatively little traction in hardware and that is built on a standard system that has been in computers for years, for a closed system built from the ground up it is going to take a long long time to get any traction if it ever can demand the market share. while Samsung is massive in the memory market the internal support is way more likely than any use for adin cards with how large base storage is getting in some devices. the memory cards now are used for little more than audio/video/picture storage so speed isn't really as important as if you are editing you have a large high speed storage you can utilize first and really if you are outside that storage space you are going to want more power than a phone for the editing.
[email protected] said:
Hello.
The phone has UFS 3.0 storage support, but does it support UFS cards?
I've tried 256gb card and my N10+ doesn't recognize it.
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What brand of card?
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[email protected] said:
2 years since UFS card was released, only 26 devices support it...way to go Samsung..
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The Note 10/10+/10+ 5G supports UFS 3.0 for internal storage, not for microSD storage.
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it's the case with most storage devices, you go with a standard connection or you struggle to get others to pick it up. had Samsung started making this standard in their phones it likely would have seen a larger outcry than the removal of the SD slot as it would force those who use them to buy new cards as it has no cross compatibility with SD.
had they found a way to do this expanding the SD technology it would have became far more common but on a new format it will take a long long time to get traction and is more likely to be put in devices that can have multiple storage connectors, as it allows them to give legacy support with support for the new.
then there is getting third party support iif it is something that needs to be licensed from Samsung for every device it goes in, as it will just add production costs to devices.
it's the same if you look at M2 hard drives in PC's, PCIe drives have been around for years the M2 connector has been about a fair while now, but it still has relatively little traction in hardware and that is built on a standard system that has been in computers for years, for a closed system built from the ground up it is going to take a long long time to get any traction if it ever can demand the market share. while Samsung is massive in the memory market the internal support is way more likely than any use for adin cards with how large base storage is getting in some devices. the memory cards now are used for little more than audio/video/picture storage so speed isn't really as important as if you are editing you have a large high speed storage you can utilize first and really if you are outside that storage space you are going to want more power than a phone for the editing.
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Why does the card need to be physically compatible? As far as i can tell the rough dimensions of the cards are close enough they could make a dual purpose slot, face the card down for micro sd face up for ufs, max they would need to supply a second sim/storage tray in the box, but that doesn't seem to be a huge hurdle
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What brand of card?
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The Note 10/10+/10+ 5G supports UFS 3.0 for internal storage, not for microSD storage.
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If my memory serves me correctly you are right.
The 10+ nonetheless writes/reads to a fast card very fast. The weak link is transfering large files via USB or cloud not between internal memory/SD card.
A V60 rated one might do better but I'm having zero issues with a Lexar rated at V30. To have a fast handheld PC with close to a 1 tb of memory is unbelievable.
Best of all you can use the SD card as a data drive.
Yeah I got a hard on over this:laugh:
Complete OS reloads/data restores can be done with no PC or internet needed. The 200+ gb music library Poweramp uses is on the SD card. Poweramp restored its playlist from this new data base in less than a minute, and plays them flawlessly.
Get a name card with a good reputation as reliability as well as speed is what you're paying for.
A .5tb V30 Lexar can be had for around $80 now.
Format in phone; good to go.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-10+/accessories/memory-upgrade-time-t4155549