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Is it worth paying extra for a faster micro-SD card?

Have just acquired a Touch Pro 2 on eBay, and am now thinking about getting an SD card for it. I assume the TP2 supports SDHC...?
I can get a 16GB class 2 card for about £30, or a 16GB class 6 card for £50. Am I likely to notice much actual difference in speed between the two when used with a TP2?

Depends.
In day to day usage of the TP2, no I don't really think so. You're not going to be able to take pictures any faster (the camera isn't capable of fast shooting), movies will run fine from a slow card. Maybe searching through your email would be a bit faster, if you have a lot, but I can't imagine it will be significant.
Where you would see a difference is if you take your SDHC card out of the TP2 and put it into a PC for dumping lots of data on it at once - for example, copying over lots of MP3s or movies. If you're transferring multiple GBs at a time direct from a PC, you will notice a worthwile % increase with the faster cards.
So if you do that regularly it might be worth it. If you tend to change the data on the card only infrequently, then I doubt it is.
Personally I will be getting a slow card. I only have a fast card SD card for my Digital SLR camera, where the faster card enables more shots to be taken per second.

whatever you do do not get a Transcend class6 16Gb card. They are not compatible. I know there's a thread listing card compatibility in the rhodium forum, but I couldn't find it now.

emwdava said:
whatever you do do not get a Transcend class6 16Gb card. They are not compatible. I know there's a thread listing card compatibility in the rhodium forum, but I couldn't find it now.
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Wow, thanks for the warning, that was exactly what I was thinking of getting.

firstly i beleive the class relates to write and not read speed.
second do not buy a card off ebay whatever you do.
i have come accross an a-data 16gb class 6 in my searches. in the end i got 8gb class 4 from play for a tenner delivered. may get a 16gb if i ever hit the limit. by then the price will have dropped to reasonable level.
i had a 2gb in my xperia and never filled it. i have a ipod touch for music and a netbook.

Dexter_Morgan said:
firstly i beleive the class relates to write and not read speed.
second do not buy a card off ebay whatever you do.
i have come accross an a-data 16gb class 6 in my searches. in the end i got 8gb class 4 from play for a tenner delivered. may get a 16gb if i ever hit the limit. by then the price will have dropped to reasonable level.
i had a 2gb in my xperia and never filled it. i have a ipod touch for music and a netbook.
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Whats wrong with the a-data 16gb on ebay? I was thinking of ordering that one.

UnXpectedError said:
Whats wrong with the a-data 16gb on ebay? I was thinking of ordering that one.
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all the cards i have ever bought off ebay have been fakes.
some have worked but been slow. others have corrupt sectors. some have failed all together. thankfully last time pay pal refunded me.
look at www.sosfakeflash.wordpress.com/
buy the card if you want. that site has programs you can test it with to determine if its legit. i will never buy a memory card from ebay again.

Class only deals with write speeds, not read speeds BUT if the card has a higher write speed, it will normally have a higher read speed as well. (Though it's not a set rule).

Thx for the heads up. I think i'm going to risk it anyways. This seller has been on there since 2000 and has sold a ridiculous amount of flash memory ~20,000. I would hope the system would show some signs of fakery over that span of time.
I will try the tool you linked once it arrives tho.
Thx again
PS here is the ebay item # if you want to look: 380143609813

I decided I didn't really need 16GB of storage anyway, and ordered an 8GB class 6 card - a SanDisk Ultra. Got it from these guys on Amazon UK Marketplace.
They have a pretty high turn-over - nearly 30,000 ratings in the past year. I also used this tool to check whether the card was genuine or counterfeit. It passed with flying colours (no errors at all) so I think it's probably the real deal.
A quick, informal test (copying a 700MB file onto the card) suggested it was writing at about 12.5MB/s when the card was connected directly to the PC's USB port, and about 5.5 MB/s when accessed via the phone (in disk-drive mode). That suggests that the phone might get some benefit from a class 6 card, although it's hard to be sure. Certainly this a is a VERY fast card when removed from the phone and connected straight to the PC. (In fact the testing software rated it even higher - 14.9MB/s write, and 17.5MB/s read).
No reliability problems of the sort associated with the Trascend cards (although I'm not sure that affects 8GB cards anyway).

Trancend 16GB Class 6
I currently have a Trancend 16GB Class 6 and it works just fine.

I only buy cards from Sandisk and usually from amazon. EBay has a lot of fakes on it! I have a 16GB Class 2 from amazon that I picked up for $40. Speed test while in Disk Drive mode through the phone show a Write speed of 3.8MB/s and 6.4MB/s read speed. I have 10GB filled so far and It didn't really take that long to do. I'd say if you were filling the card up with 10GB of new music a day then yeah those speed suck but for a few big loads just to get it started no big deal to me.
I can stream a 800x480 AVC ~1.2Mbit off the card with no hiccups. So I'm not worrie about the speed considering anything more then that the processor becomes the bottleneck not the card.

xul8tr said:
I currently have a Trancend 16GB Class 6 and it works just fine.
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Do you use your tp2 for music?
try playing a few songs in a row from the music tab with screen turned off...

I just recieved an A-Data 16GB Class 6 from ebay. Seems to be fine, passed memory test with no errors @ 8.9MB/S write and 15.1MB/sec read.
Worth the money just copying video and music files to the drive via pc. Way faster than my previous 8GB Class 2. Don't notice any real difference in the phone tho.

UnXpectedError said:
I just recieved an A-Data 16GB Class 6 from ebay. Seems to be fine, passed memory test with no errors @ 8.9MB/S write and 15.1MB/sec read.
Worth the money just copying video and music files to the drive via pc. Way faster than my previous 8GB Class 2. Don't notice any real difference in the phone tho.
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Try playing a few songs with the manila musictab with the screen turned off..
I had a Transcend 16Gb class6 that disconnected if I tried that. I had to reboot to get the card to register in the Phone.

Been out on the road for work all week using music over bluetooth and co-pilot 8 heavily. Working like a charm.....maybe i just got lucky.

I'm putting my $0.02 on the table on MicroSDHC cards. Basically for those of you that want faster data transfer on a larger card like an 8GB or 16GB MicroSDHC, it can make a difference but beware of brands that are not well known and their transfer speeds. The Class ratings on the MicroSDHC cards only apply to their guaranteed throughput rates and are NOT indicative of the actual speed experienced on the cards. I've seen some Class 2 Sandisk cards outperform Class 6 A-Data cards before which is a little scary.

Confused about MicroSDHC speed, performance, and adapters

I hope I posted this in the right section, I wasn't sure where a question about MicroSDHC cards would go here.
By the way, I live in the US.
I have been Googling this for days now, and coulden't find any conclusive information, especially since most of it was from random tech blogs and not respected tech/research sites.
I am looking to buy two MicroSDHC cards to use in a Photofast CR-5400 ( http://www.amazon.com/PhotoFast-CR-5400-MicroSD-Adapter-Dual/dp/B001I0T92Q ), speed and performance are pretty important as I will he handling a lot of data through it.
First of all before I start, anybody familiar with this adapter? Where would be the best place to purchase one so I don't wind up with a Hong-Kong bootleg? Ive had trouble purchasing flash memory online before from places like Amazon or Ebay where the memory was a bootleg that didn't perform anything like the real thing.
Now, I know that Memory Stick Pro DUO devices are generally faster than SD or SDHC devices, but AFAIK that device sets them up in a RAID 0 configuration so I am hoping that will help, this is why im trying to get the best performance MicroSDHC cards I can afford. And trying to get reliable information on these things has been a lesson in confusion.
First of all, it almost seems like the class speeds don't matter. Ive seen benchmarks that showed class 4 or class 2 cards outperform a class 6. Whats the point of these classes if they are so meaningless? How can a class 2 device have faster write speeds than a class 6? And is this classification only for writing or reading too? Why are the "ultra" models of some cards, which are supposed to be very high speed, listed as class 4?
Second, I heard that there are other variables that usually are not listed anywhere, such as Random Access Times, which from what I read are internal processes taking place in the card itself rather than having anything to do with the card reading/writing to whatever it is plugged into. And I really have no idea what else could be a factor.
I was looking at THIS Transcend card ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208475 ) mainly because the previous 8GB version ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208453 ) seems to be the best one you can possibly get, the 8GB model is class 6, rated as very high speed, and even has a low Random Access Time. But that doesn't mean that just because the previous model was good, the next one will be of the same quality, and on top of that I don't know if it'll even matter in that Photofast adapter or not. Not to mention its kinda pricey, don't forget that I will need to buy two as well as the adapter (though since the 16GB Memory Sticks came out at over $200 and they are barely around $100 now, and the 32GB still isn't out yet, I am going to assume it will still be at least $50 cheaper than just buying a 32GB Memory Stick............ when they come out).
So what would you recommend I do? Where can I find information that makes sense of this? Where can I find good benchmarks/testing done on these cards that on top of speed measures the other factors as well? Where would be the best place in the US, retail or online, to purchase such a 16GB MicroSDHC card for the best price?
Thank you for your time.

what are you using the Memory card for? (what application, video/photo taking, loading applications...)
Class X just says the minimum write speeds on an empty(defragmented) card... 2 means 2MB/s write, 4 means 4MB/s etc...
some SDHC cards also come with another rating... 133x that says max 20MB/s speed, depending on the manufacturer, that may be write or read speed
best place to buy is directly from Newegg/Tigerdirect, or from Amazon fulfilled by Amazon itself or a reputable merchant

paperWastage said:
what are you using the Memory card for? (what application, video/photo taking, loading applications...)
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As I said, I will be using it in my PSP.

Patriot 8gb class 4- very slow from pc to card ???
Anyone having any current luck with Patriot 8GB Class 4 micro sd's?
I copied everything from my PNY 2GB to my netbook. Very quick as expected...
Formatted the Patriot FAT32. Tried to copy back to the 8GB from the netbook and it was painfully slow. So slow it is not usable.
Both pc and Tilt recognizes the Patriot as 8gb.
Anyone having similar problems or any suggestions?

Possible formatting issue... No more Patriot SDHC.
I think I got it...
Took about 12-15 minutes to copy back to card.
It appears to be a formatting problem with the XP fomatting.
Used this... http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/formatter/
Tried the Wife's new HP laptop (school issued) last night and had the same problem. That pointed me to a possible card issue.
Moral of the story- google is your friend.
Just to be safe, I would stay away from Patriot's 8GB C4 cards.

I would just try another brand of microsd card. Sandisk are reputable but usually the most expensive, though on amazon 8gb cards can be had for less than 20 bucks. Kingston is another good brand.

Do i NEED a Class 6 Micro SDHC Card

Hello all,
Ive got a spare 16GB Micro SDHC card which i have swapped for the stock 2GB version that came with the Desire, but it is only a Class 2.
Having read that its best to use Class 6, should i shell out £50 for a new one, or will i not notice a difference in class ?

Dunno - I'm using a class 2 16gb card myself and I don't notice much slowdown if at all. I'm surprised these things haven't come down in price after two years... key thing is do you notice any slowdown with apps that access the SD card? like I say, I haven't thus far...
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i read somwhere that class 4 is enough coz the phones do not support hihger speeds. class 6 will help you if you will take card to the card reader straight to the computer... it think

hot-fuzz said:
... Having read that its best to use Class 6 ...
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Where have you read that, please?

tomeeq12 said:
i read somwhere that class 4 is enough coz the phones do not support hihger speeds. class 6 will help you if you will take card to the card reader straight to the computer... it think
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Thats what i ......... think. Im sure it only matters if its connected to the PC, and in that case i dont care.
I read it on another forum that i wont link too
Class 6 are almost double the price of Class 2.

You don't NEED to get one, I did use a Class 2 card for a few days and didn't have any problems.
Personally I am using a Class 6 now, as I regularly transfer a lot of big media files onto the card, so the extra speed is worth it for me.
If you don't fancy forking out though, you don't have to.

I totally agree, My desire came with a 4gb sandisk class memory card which I initially assumed was class 4 until I took the card out yesterday...connecting the desire to my pc and switching to usb drive mode, i am able to transfer my movies etc to the memory at +/- 8Meg per sec which is more than adequate enough for me...I was about to get a 16gb one but was thinking of getting the class 6 one until i discovered the one I currently have is class 2, so I just made up my mind and went for a class 2 16gb, saved me money....

They only refer to the write speed of the card, i came from a 8gb class 6 and now have a 16gb class 2 and notice no difference, only difference is the write speed from pc to card.
Even though i got a class 2 i still see 4-6mb/s so happy enough with that.

I have a class 10 16Gb card in phone. Read and write speeds seem to be limited to around 8Mb per second (copying uncompressed music). Using an adapter, the computer is able to copy at 14Mb+ using the same card.

They just seem a big outlay for nothing to me, lets face it the only big write time is when you transfer everything across from your previous card once the stuff is on there the write times really won't be much of a problem.

The main reason you will find people suggesting class 6 and above SD cards is due to "Apps to SD". For the Newbies "Apps to SD" or A2SD is a modification that has been done on most android phones (though not the desire at time of writing) which allows the Apps you download to be stored on the SD card rather than the phones limited internal memory. I am not sure if it makes a huge difference to the faster processor phones, but in the G1 days it was noticeable. For just moving music and pictures about it isn't really important to have a faster card and we may have to wait a while for A2SD anyway. I will pop over to the N1 forum and see if they can shed some light on this.

Anyone using a microSD 16GB Class 4, if so are they any good? I'm looking at buying one for the Desire. Also where's the best place to get a deal on one of these card?

The Difference between NAND and Micro SD on WP7! (Its HUGE!!)

Games seem to load at least three times faster on the Omnia 7 (NAND)!!

Jin187 said:
Games seem to load at least three times faster on the Omnia 7 (NAND)!!
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well it was said that the samsung wp7 phones ran better than the htc or lg so i am not supprised. however we do not know if the focus also has an internal nand along the the external storage slot or a micro sd and this phone also ran faster so it still remains to be seen if its the sd card or not..

another reason for me to get a Samsung when they come to Verizon...

Maybe the htc will be faster if you change the sd cart with a higher-class card?!

Wow, the difference is huge.
The Omnia 7 is definitely a great device (and the HTC definitely disappointing).
What a pity the Omnia has only 8GB of storage. Otherwise it would have been THE perfect WP7 device.

Makes me wonder if the Focus will slow down if you put in an SD card. I would also like to see the HTC with a higher class card.

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Makes me wonder if the Focus will slow down if you put in an SD card. I would also like to see the HTC with a higher class card.
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put a higher class card in the focus...

ryotgz said:
Makes me wonder if the Focus will slow down if you put in an SD card. I would also like to see the HTC with a higher class card.
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There are far too many unknowns in this comparison for it to answer too many questions. The fact that NAND memory is faster should come as no surprise, however, we have no idea what class card is used in the Focus yet or even what type of memory the first 8GB is. As for your additional memory, MS and att state that the phone will work for all classes, 2, 4 and 6. For 8GB and 16GB cards I know that the class speed difference is significant. I have never owned a 32GB card yet.

Thats a bit speed comparison.
The Samsung WP7 devices seem to be better than the HTC devices.

Dag nabbit.
Just when I thought I was ready to put my San Disk 32GB microSD card into the Focus I get on the 8th, I find this out.
More research necessary..

ebosian said:
Dag nabbit.
Just when I thought I was ready to put my San Disk 32GB microSD card into the Focus I get on the 8th, I find this out.
More research necessary..
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Your 32GB disk will be fine. I am guessing that it is a class 2. You meet the min reqs which MS has set. If it is a class four and you have tested it and found that it really is a class four, we are all dying to find out what the speed difference really is in the 32GB cards. If you are one of the owners of the elusive 32GB class 6 cards, don't sweat this at all and tell us who your source is.
MS's concern is card quality, not speed. There are still a lot of unknowns with the Focus, for example what type of memory the first 8GB is. Bottom line is that the combined memory will not be much faster if any than the slowest of the two as you have no idea where data will be written.

arturobandini said:
Wow, the difference is huge.
The Omnia 7 is definitely a great device (and the HTC definitely disappointing).
What a pity the Omnia has only 8GB of storage. Otherwise it would have been THE perfect WP7 device.
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There's a 16gb version, but won't be released til December.
I think 8gb is more than enough for me

How fast the app will load will depend on luck until we figure out in what order WP7 fills memory--if the phone installs the app to the ROM, it will load significantly faster than if the phone installs the app to the SD card.

Paolo01 said:
Your 32GB disk will be fine. I am guessing that it is a class 2. You meet the min reqs which MS has set. If it is a class four and you have tested it and found that it really is a class four, we are all dying to find out what the speed difference really is in the 32GB cards. If you are one of the owners of the elusive 32GB class 6 cards, don't sweat this at all and tell us who your source is.
MS's concern is card quality, not speed. There are still a lot of unknowns with the Focus, for example what type of memory the first 8GB is. Bottom line is that the combined memory will not be much faster if any than the slowest of the two as you have no idea where data will be written.
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32gig class 6 micro sd...
http://www.amazon.com/Komputerbay-MicroSD-Microsdhc-Adapter-Reader/dp/B003ZTEEHI/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1288639636&sr=1-13

I have an 8gb class 6 that I'm waiting to throw into my Win7 work handset. The card class makes a huge difference in speed, and since most included cards are class 2 I should be good.

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32gig class 6 micro sd...
http://www.amazon.com/Komputerbay-MicroSD-Microsdhc-Adapter-Reader/dp/B003ZTEEHI/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1288639636&sr=1-13
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Erm, an unbranded card like that for such a low price is highly likely to let you down, personally I wouldn't touch it with a barge-pole. Stick with Sandisk, their products are more expensive and currently at class 4 but they're guaranteed and they won't make your phone cry.

[Q] Anyone here use a Class 10 SD card for Android?

I'm looking to upgrade the crummy 1GB SD card in my wife's TP2 to something faster. I was wondering if buying a class 10 card was worth it or if I should just stick with a class 6 or lower. Does the SD slot in the TP2 even support a class 10 card? Would a class 10 card be noticeably faster than a class6?

Not for this project. IIRC Nate said class 4 seems to be the sweet spot, the higher the class the worse it would be running XDandroid, but even some class 4's work better than others. Walmart has 16G class 4 sandisks for around $20, not too bad if you ask me

benutne said:
I'm looking to upgrade the crummy 1GB SD card in my wife's TP2 to something faster. I was wondering if buying a class 10 card was worth it or if I should just stick with a class 6 or lower. Does the SD slot in the TP2 even support a class 10 card? Would a class 10 card be noticeably faster than a class6?
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C10 cards are supported, but some have had issues. I would not recommend a C10 card for Android use. I doubt the phone itself will be any faster...

fishingmedic said:
Not for this project. IIRC Nate said class 4 seems to be the sweet spot, the higher the class the worse it would be running XDandroid, but even some class 4's work better than others. Walmart has 16G class 4 sandisks for around $20, not too bad if you ask me
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Ah, OK. I'll grab a class 4 from Newegg then. I was looking at a class six.

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C10 cards are supported, but some have had issues. I would not recommend a C10 card for Android use. I doubt the phone itself will be any faster...
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Cool. Thanks. So get a class 4 then? Is it worth it to get a 16 over a 8GB? My wife doesn't put much on her phone really and she streams all of her music.

Yeah I've got a Patriot 16Gig Class10 SD card that I picked up on sale months ago. I have been running XDAndroid on it since then and haven't noticed any benefit over my old 4gig class 2 card.
Not sure if it's related to running andriod but at first I was having issues with the card corrupting and losing all data on it, having to format it to be usable again. Formatting a few times with the HP tool seems to be helping.
I had a similar issue with my last phone (HTC Hermes) which would only work with good quality (Sandisk) SD cars, and failed with cheap chinese flash memory. The issue was that the phone wasn't able to remount the card properly in winmo when coming out of sleep, and the filesystem would become corrupt pretty quickly with folders disappearing and files having wacky filenames. Sounded like it was more of a hardware issue than anything.

benutne said:
Cool. Thanks. So get a class 4 then? Is it worth it to get a 16 over a 8GB? My wife doesn't put much on her phone really and she streams all of her music.
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Yea I use a class 4 card. Some have reported oddness with class 6, so it seems like the type of card matters as well... Because others with C6 cards say they work just fine. I've even had some people say C10 cards are fine, but most seem to have issues with C10 cards. Don't get some cheap knockoff, get a name brand.
As for size, that's entirely up to you. You can have up to a 32gb card. 512mb minimum .

ReeS86 said:
Yeah I've got a Patriot 16Gig Class10 SD card that I picked up on sale months ago. I have been running XDAndroid on it since then and haven't noticed any benefit over my old 4gig class 2 card.
Not sure if it's related to running andriod but at first I was having issues with the card corrupting and losing all data on it, having to format it to be usable again. Formatting a few times with the HP tool seems to be helping.
I had a similar issue with my last phone (HTC Hermes) which would only work with good quality (Sandisk) SD cars, and failed with cheap chinese flash memory. The issue was that the phone wasn't able to remount the card properly in winmo when coming out of sleep, and the filesystem would become corrupt pretty quickly with folders disappearing and files having wacky filenames. Sounded like it was more of a hardware issue than anything.
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I have a Patriot 16GB C10 card here too, but I no longer use it. It was constantly getting corrupted, the kernel logs were filled with I/O error messages. I'm now on a Sandisk 32GB C4 card and no more problems.

highlandsun said:
I have a Patriot 16GB C10 card here too, but I no longer use it. It was constantly getting corrupted, the kernel logs were filled with I/O error messages. I'm now on a Sandisk 32GB C4 card and no more problems.
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What about Kingston? There are a lot of those available at Newegg.

benutne said:
What about Kingston? There are a lot of those available at Newegg.
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Just don't get a C10 card... I think that's what people should take away from this.
Some have said C10 cards are fine, but most say they are not. A few have had issues with C6 cards, but most say those are OK. I've never heard of people complaining about C4 or below cards - hence the reason I recommend anything C4 or less.

c10 sd android
My company name is WinDroidz and all I do is mod android and windows devices... and I have always seen huge performance gains with c10 cards, c2 sucks major, its just the transfer speed the card can move data at and clearly more speed no matter how u look at it with an SD card. Is crucial... I always used patriot c10, or topram and pqi c6 cards for android SD on windows devices and have only seen a posative result.. this is based on my personal experience of Modding more Devices then I can remember.... not from what I read somewhere or was told by someone... SD card data transfer is the slowest method of data transfer of all other common used methods... there are graphs if u Google it that show sdhc c2 cards lined up against other transfer methods like USB, ide, sata etc..... to put in perspective how ridiculously slow SD cards really are, once u see that u will understand why your phones drags ass so much when trying to pull up gallery after cache has been wiped if you have a ton of pics etc.... so if u are having problems with a higher class SD its probly not the SD and is something else you are doing, or maybe the brand as I can only vouch for the ones I've used... (wouldn't care personally about brand as pretty much everything is same manufacturer with restamped brand and packaging.. Kingston is Japan... currently using a c4 Kingston 32gb in my desire HD (wish it was a c10 but kinda pricey for that size and brand) I recommend c10 8gb for $30 on Amazon if u are using some kind of android SD rom.. or any device if u want better transfer speeds and it is very noticeable... no matter what speed u get though it will never run like nand android.. like HD2. So lets just hope the nand development for other devices continues like clk or magldr did for hd2 cause the hd2 with clk and full rom manager support is amazing

16GB class 10
Using 16GB class 10 and have had no problems related to the card, with FRX07.
I personally cannot think of any logical reason why a class 10 card of good quality should ever be a problem.
I just installed and ran Angry Birds Rio. It is slow, but works. Kind of fun to play in slow-mo!

i use 8gb c6 and haven't had any problem so far.

My 16GB RiDATA Class 6 Micro SD has been great, no problems.